Shakti-Fan Posted November 29, 2007 Report Share Posted November 29, 2007 Sripad Prema Prayojana Prabhu paraphrasing Jaiva Dharma by Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakur, Krsna stated in the fourth chapter of Bhagavad Gita (verse 24): If a person will perform those activities which are imbued with the quality of Visnu, then gradually the modes of material nature will go away, and he becomes liberated. But prescribed duties of karma yoga have come from Visnu, and no jiva in the whole universe is eternally related to Visnu. No jiva svarupa has any eternal relationship with the purusa-avataras, from whom the prescribed duties and all the rules of karma yoga have come. Paramatma is in your heart, but when you go to Goloka Vrndavana, He will not go with you. Paramatma is Ksirodaksayi Visnu He stays in this world to monitor everything. Thus, even though the prescribed duties come from Visnu and even though they are liberating, they are not svarupa-anubandhi. That means that they have no connection with jiva svarupa. The jiva, by svarupa (constitution) has a form and a role to play in the eternal pastimes of Krsna. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murali_Mohan_das Posted November 29, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2007 The Paramātmā manifestation is also a temporary all-pervasive aspect of the Kṣīrodakaśāyī Viṣṇu. The Paramātmā manifestation is not eternal in the spiritual world. HerServant--the Lord's *manifest* Forms may certainly be temporary from our linear-time perspective. Sri Krishna was born, lived, and "died" on this Earth, and yet He is certainly eternal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerServant Posted November 29, 2007 Report Share Posted November 29, 2007 HerServant--the Lord's *manifest* Forms may certainly be temporary from our linear-time perspective. Sri Krishna was born, lived, and "died" on this Earth, and yet He is certainly eternal. Yes. I think it is a fine point. But the same manifestation is eternally remembered. From this view it remains eternal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murali_Mohan_das Posted November 29, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2007 Yes. I think it is a fine point. But the same manifestation is eternally remembered. From this view it remains eternal. I won't quibble with that, but, no doubt, there are plenty of the Lord's Incarnations which are not remembered since the Lord is always incarnating (in this universe or some other). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shakti-Fan Posted November 29, 2007 Report Share Posted November 29, 2007 HerServant--the Lord's *manifest* Forms may certainly be temporary from our linear-time perspective. Sri Krishna was born, lived, and "died" on this Earth, and yet He is certainly eternal. The original Krsna appears in the material world on an earth planet [Gokula] but simultaneously he is in Goloka Vrnadavana, always enjoying His nitya-lila. Kṣīrodakaśāyī Visnu is not simultaneously enjoying pastimes in the Vaikunthas. Kṣīrodakaśāyī Viṣṇu is a puruṣa-avatāra Who expands from Garbhodakaśāyī Viṣṇu Who expanded from Mahā-Viṣṇu. In TLC Chapt.8, These innumerable universes are produced from the pores of the Mahā-Viṣṇu's body. As innumerable particles of dust pass through the tiny holes in a screen, similarly from the pores of the Mahā-Viṣṇu's body innumerable universes emanate. As He breathes out, innumerable universes are produced, and as He inhales, they are annihilated. All of the energies of the Mahā-Viṣṇu are spiritual, and they have nothing to do with the material energy. At the time of the dissolution of the entire material creation both Garbhodakaśāyī Viṣṇu and Kṣīrodakaśāyī Visnu and the pradhana, the material ingrediants are reabsorbed into the body of Mahā-Viṣṇu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melvin Posted November 29, 2007 Report Share Posted November 29, 2007 We should not worry what happens to our material bodies when our time is up because our souls are eternal. What we should worry in the next life is not being able to remember how we are related to Krsna in the present life. We should be grateful to the PARAMATMA which helped us remember Krsna, who is the cause of our forgetfulness, intelligence, and remembrance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krishnadasa Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 Remember the biblical Tower of Babel? The poeple wanted to reach God by building a tower that would reach heaven. What happened? God punished them when they spoke in different tongues instead of one before the tower they built could reach heaven. Because they couldn`t understand anymore each other they abandoned the project. That`s what we are now! Paths are different for different people. Thats bound by past life deeds. Those folks try to build the same biblical buliding , perhaps cud have tried different ones, some small and yet some larger ones, Krishna wouldnt have punished them then... The clashes comeforth due to the differnce of opinois on the same subject.. And also sometimes due to the ignorance of the debaters to bring the same meaning but in differnt ways.... As long as one is not harming, one should not be unncessarily challeng someone's view as that shall bring unncecessary cocoction in individual's mind. Krishna is in his heart and he knows perfectly how to take the person to the desired state... Afterall what matters is how much Krishna loves you and how much you are honest. Krishna is simple he is Sarala , and the truth is always sarala, so krishna is the truth. He doesnt need to be defined by the boundless scriptures,, And then its my viewpoint which is fully based on my past life deeds,, I dont challenge anypne here.. Hari bol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melvin Posted November 30, 2007 Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 If you remain passive, Krishnadasa you will not reach your goal. You have a destination. Your name speaks for itself. Krsna loves fighting the demons. So, you should fight! That`s what Krsna said to Arjuna. That the latter should fight even if Arjuna`s adversaries were his relatives. Bhima was even on the side of Duryodhana(Arjuna`s enemy) and yet Bhima was a great devotee of Krsna. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murali_Mohan_das Posted November 30, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2007 This is beautiful, Prabhu. The clashes comeforth due to the differnce of opinois on the same subject.. And also sometimes due to the ignorance of the debaters to bring the same meaning but in differnt ways.... As long as one is not harming, one should not be unncessarily challeng someone's view as that shall bring unncecessary cocoction in individual's mind. Krishna is in his heart and he knows perfectly how to take the person to the desired state... Afterall what matters is how much Krishna loves you and how much you are honest. Krishna is simple he is Sarala , and the truth is always sarala, so krishna is the truth. He doesnt need to be defined by the boundless scriptures,, And then its my viewpoint which is fully based on my past life deeds,, I dont challenge anypne here.. Hari bol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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