Accepting Things As Proven

suchandra · February 5, 2008

Just surfed through a Vaishnava News Agency, which says, yes, it is fact, modern science is 100% righteous and trustworthy at this point, see below.

Question, is there any possibility to test if this claim is actually true or do we have to blindly accept?

Scientists Turn Bone Marrow into Sperm

By Fiona Macrae for news.com.au on 31 Jan 2008

Scientists are ready to turn female bone marrow into sperm, cutting men out of the process of creating life.

The breakthrough paves the way for lesbian couples to have children that are biologically their own.

Gay men could follow suit by using the technique to make eggs from male bone marrow.

Researchers at Newcastle upon Tyne University in England say their technique will help lead to new treatments for infertility.

But critics warn that it sidelines men and raises the prospect of babies being born through entirely artificial means.

The research centres around stem cells - the body's "mother" cells, which can turn into any other type of cell.

According to New Scientist magazine, the scientists want to take stem cells from a woman donor's bone marrow and transform them into sperm through the use of special chemicals and vitamins.

Newcastle professor Karim Nayernia has applied for permission to carry out the work and is ready to start the experiments within two months.

The biologist, who pioneered the technique with mice, believes early-stage "female sperm" could be produced inside two years. Mature sperm capable of fertilising eggs might take three more years. Early-stage sperm have already been produced from male bone marrow.

Taking stem cells from an adult donor - possibly a cancer patient - removes the ethical problems associated with using embryos.

Researchers at the Butantan Institute in Brazil, meanwhile, claim to have turned embryonic stem cells from male mice into both sperm and eggs.

It sets the stage for a gay man to create eggs from his own cells that could then be fertilised by his partner's sperm and placed into the womb of a surrogate mother.

Other scientists warn, however, that the research is still in its infancy and any treatment is years away.

There are also fears that children born from artificial eggs and sperm will suffer severe health problems, like the mice in the Newcastle experiments.

Couples who have children from artificial sperm created from women would be able to have girls only. This is because the female sperm would lack the Y-chromosome needed for boys.

Josephine Quintavalle, of campaign group Comment on Reproductive Ethics, said: "We are looking at absurd solutions to very obscure situations and not addressing the main issue. Nobody is interested in looking at what is causing infertility - social reasons such as obesity, smoking and age."

sopatel · February 5, 2008

I'm all for the advancement of science but this is too weird for my liking. If you read a post in health and wellbeing about Garbhadan sanskara, I took from it that children are created as God conciousness citizens and its things like this that make unwanted population. Not to say that its the kids fault but we are trying to manipulate nature a bit too much don't you think.

I actually believe that same sex couples and couples going through infertility issues should highly think about adoption...so many children go hungry and grow up without a strong family background. These children deserve homes and God made families that can accept such children. But what to say of people who can't even stand there own parents and siblings in the house, how can we even think they will love and nourish a child unrelated to them.

however, this was a very imformative thread...thank you suchandraji.

Jai Shri Krishna

gHari · February 5, 2008

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Nrsinghadev · February 5, 2008

(S.B. 4.14.43):

viniścityaivam ṛṣayo

vipannasya mahīpateḥ

mamanthur ūruḿ tarasā

tatrāsīd bāhuko naraḥ

TRANSLATION

After making a decision, the saintly persons and sages churned the thighs of the dead body of King Vena with great force and according to a specific method. As a result of this churning, a dwarf-like person was born from King Vena's body.

PURPORT

That a person was born by the churning of the thighs of King Vena proves that the spirit soul is individual and separate from the body. The great sages and saintly persons could beget another person from the body of the dead King Vena, but it was not possible for them to bring King Vena back to life. King Vena was gone, and certainly he had taken another body. The saintly persons and sages were only concerned with the body of Vena because it was a result of the seminal succession in the family of Mahārāja Dhruva. Consequently, the ingredients by which another body could be produced were there in the body of King Vena. By a certain process, when the thighs of the dead body were churned, another body came out. Although dead, the body of King Vena was preserved by drugs, and mantras chanted by King Vena's mother. In this way the ingredients for the production of another body were there. When the body of the person named Bāhuka came out of the dead body of King Vena, it was really not very astonishing. It was simply a question of knowing how to do it. From the semen of one body, another body is produced, and the life symptoms are visible due to the soul's taking shelter of this body. One should not think that it was impossible for another body to come out of the dead body of Mahārāja Vena. This was performed by the skillful action of the sages.