Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Passes Away

[Murali_Mohan_das]

 

So people want to be cheated.

 

That's it. People are eagerly cheated because they want to feel that they have something that others do not. It's a typical Western mentality.

 

If something is freely available to all, where is their sense of exclusivity?

 

Regarding Sri Chinmoy, he's an interesting soul. We used to live near his community in Queens, New York. My father was friends with one of his disciples (a musician who had played in "The Mahavishnu Orchestra"), and we used to eat at their "Annam Brahma" restaurant.

[Murali_Mohan_das]

 

How effective is our hearing from a sadhu and our seva if we have not surrendered our mind?

 

Surrenderred my mind to whom? To an Audarya hypocrite who criticizes the Maharishi while presenting his own concoction?

[Beggar]

 

Surrenderred my mind to whom? To an Audarya hypocrite who criticizes the Maharishi while presenting his own concoction?

 

Not to Theist, obviously, to your guru. But who is really doing that cent percent? Such a person would really be the next acarya in the line. But our world is the world of shades of gray. When we live in that world we cannot expect others to live in a world of black and white, because we are not spotless and this is where hypocrisy becomes most obvious especially to those of us who have been around for a while. It is only the duty of the guru to really chastise others otherwise because we are all hypocrites, which obviously includes myself. Maybe all we can do is gently point others in the right direction and realize that the dialogue is actually with our own uncontrolled minds.

[Murali_Mohan_das]

Fair enough. I have more than my own share of hypocrisy with which to contend.

 

 

Not to Theist, obviously, to your guru. But who is really doing that cent percent? Such a person would really be the next acarya in the line. But our world is the world of shades of gray. When we live in that world we cannot expect others to live in a world of black and white, because we are not spotless and this is where hypocrisy becomes most obvious especially to those of us who have been around for a while. It is only the duty of the guru to really chastise others otherwise because we are all hypocrites, which obviously includes myself. Maybe all we can do is gently point others in the right direction and realize that the dialogue is actually with our own uncontrolled minds.

[Murali_Mohan_das]

Of course, Beggar, I expect that, the next time a Sai Baba disciple blasphemes Srila Prabhupada, you will follow your own advice.

[Beggar]

 

Of course, Beggar, I expect that, the next time a Sai Baba disciple blasphemes Srila Prabhupada, you will follow your own advice.

 

Bhaktivedanta VedaBase: Śrī Caitanya Caritāmṛta Madhya 22.73

īśvare tad-adhīneṣu

bāliśeṣu dviṣatsu ca

prema-maitrī-kṛpopekṣā

yaḥ karoti sa madhyamaḥ

 

SYNONYMS

īśvare — unto the Supreme Personality of Godhead; tat-adhīneṣu — to persons who have taken fully to Kṛṣṇa consciousness; bāliśeṣu — unto the neophytes or the ignorant; dviṣatsu — to persons envious of Kṛṣṇa and the devotees of Kṛṣṇa; prema — love; maitrī — friendship; kṛpā — mercy; upekṣā — negligence; yaḥ — anyone who; karoti — does; saḥ — he; madhyamaḥ — a second-class devotee.

 

 

TRANSLATION

"'An intermediate, second-class devotee shows love for the Supreme Personality of Godhead, is friendly to all devotees and is very merciful to neophytes and ignorant people. The intermediate devotee neglects those who are envious of devotional service.

 

 

PURPORT

This is also a quotation from Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam (11.2.46). This statement was made by the great sage Nārada while he was speaking to Vasudeva about devotional service. This subject was originally discussed between Nimi, the King of Videha, and the nine Yogendras.

[Murali_Mohan_das]

So, you show your mercy by calling them rascals?

 

 

Bhaktivedanta VedaBase: Śrī Caitanya Caritāmṛta Madhya 22.73

īśvare tad-adhīneṣu

bāliśeṣu dviṣatsu ca

prema-maitrī-kṛpopekṣā

yaḥ karoti sa madhyamaḥ

 

SYNONYMS

īśvare — unto the Supreme Personality of Godhead; tat-adhīneṣu — to persons who have taken fully to Kṛṣṇa consciousness; bāliśeṣu — unto the neophytes or the ignorant; dviṣatsu — to persons envious of Kṛṣṇa and the devotees of Kṛṣṇa; prema — love; maitrī — friendship; kṛpā — mercy; upekṣā — negligence; yaḥ — anyone who; karoti — does; saḥ — he; madhyamaḥ — a second-class devotee.

 

 

TRANSLATION

"'An intermediate, second-class devotee shows love for the Supreme Personality of Godhead, is friendly to all devotees and is very merciful to neophytes and ignorant people. The intermediate devotee neglects those who are envious of devotional service.

 

 

PURPORT

This is also a quotation from Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam (11.2.46). This statement was made by the great sage Nārada while he was speaking to Vasudeva about devotional service. This subject was originally discussed between Nimi, the King of Videha, and the nine Yogendras.

[Beggar]

Bhaktivedanta VedaBase: The Nectar of Instruction 5

 

 

krsneti yasya giri tam manasadriyeta

diksasti cet pranatibhis ca bhajantam isam

susrusaya bhajana-vijnam ananyam anya-

nindadi-sunya-hrdam ipsita-sanga-labdhya

 

SYNONYMS

krsna -- the holy name of Lord Krsna; iti -- thus; yasya -- of whom; giri -- in the words or speech; tam -- him; manasa -- by the mind; adriyeta -- one must honour; diksa -- initiation; asti -- there is; cet -- if; pranatibhih -- by obeisances; ca -- also; bhajantam -- engaged in devotional service; isam -- unto the Supreme Personality of Godhead; susrusaya -- by practical service; bhajana-vijnam -- one who is advanced in devotional service; ananyam -- without deviation; anya-ninda-adi -- of blasphemy of others, etc; sunya -- completely devoid; hrdam -- whose heart; ipsita -- desirable; sanga -- association; labdhya -- by gaining.

 

 

TRANSLATION

One should mentally honor the devotee who chants the holy name of Lord Krsna, one should offer humble obeisances to the devotee who has undergone spiritual initiation [diksa] and is engaged in worshiping the Deity, and one should associate with and faithfully serve that Pure devotee who is advanced in undeviated devotional service and whose heart is completely devoid of the propensity to criticize others.

 

 

 

PURPORT

In order to intelligently apply the sixfold loving reciprocations mentioned in the previous verse, one must select proper persons with careful discrimination. Srila Rupa Gosvami therefore advises that we should meet with the Vaisnavas in an appropriate way, according to their particular status. In this verse he tells us how to deal with three types of devotees -- the kanistha-adhikari, madhyama-adhikari and uttama-adhikari. The kanistha-adhikari is a neophyte who has received the hari-nama initiation from the spiritual master and is trying to chant the holy name of Krsna. One should respect such a person within his mind as a kanistha-vaisnava. A madhyama-adhikari has received spiritual initiation from the spiritual master and has been fully engaged by him in the transcendental loving service of the Lord. The madhyama-adhikari should be considered to be situated midway in devotional service. The uttama-adhikari, or highest devotee, is one who is very advanced in devotional service. An uttama-adhikari is not interested in blaspheming others, his heart is completely clean, and he has attained the realized state of unalloyed Krsna consciousness. According to Srila Rupa Gosvami, the association and service of such a maha-bhagavata, or perfect Vaisnava, are most desirable.

One should not remain a kanistha-adhikari, one who is who is situated on the lowest platform of devotional service...

isvare tad-adhinesu

balisesu dvisatsu ca

prema-maitri-krpopeksa

yah karoti sa madhyamah

"The madhyama-adhikari is a devotee who worships the Supreme Personality of Godhead as the highest object of love, makes friends with the Lord's devotees, is merciful to the ignorant and avoids those who are envious by nature."

This is the way to cultivate devotional service properly; therefore in this verse Srila Rupa Gosvami has advised us how to treat various devotees. We can see from practical experience that there are different types of Vaisnavas. The prakrta-sahajiyas generally chant the Hare Krsna maha-mantra, yet they are attached to women, money and intoxication. Although such persons may chant the holy name of the Lord, they are not yet properly purified. Such people should be respected within one's mind, but their association should be avoided. Those who are innocent but simply carried away by bad association should be shown favor if they are eager to receive proper instructions from pure devotees, but those neophyte devotees who are actually initiated by the bona fide spiritual master and are seriously engaged in carrying out the orders of the spiritual master should be offered respectful obeisances....

[Beggar]

 

So, you show your mercy by calling them rascals?

 

TRANSLATION

"'An intermediate, second-class devotee shows love for the Supreme Personality of Godhead, is friendly to all devotees and is very merciful to neophytes and ignorant people. The intermediate devotee neglects those who are envious of devotional service.

[Murali_Mohan_das]

I'm still confused. So, we should neglect people that are envious of Srila Prabhupada's service by calling them "rascals"?

[Beggar]

 

I'm still confused. So, we should neglect people that are envious of Srila Prabhupada's service by calling them "rascals"?

What's wrong with the Rascals? What's-a-matter, you don't think, "It's a Beautiful Morning" was a cool song?

[Murali_Mohan_das]

 

What's wrong with the Rascals? What's-a-matter, you don't think, "It's a Beautiful Morning" was a cool song?

 

Please. Show some respect. The man has DIED--er, left his body.

[Ganeshprasad]

Pranam

 

It is deplorable to sell mantra, but were they marketing their organisation on that premise? I don’t know but I am sure they were heavily pushing TM on yoga practice.

At least here they were upfront with what they were selling, and if people went there and got some benefit good luck to them.

In life there is nothing for free

big organisation can not be sustained without funds, and they all adept different ways to raise money and not all of them done in legit way.

How is selling Vedas any different from selling mantra, Targeting yes targeting those rich to part with their hard earn or ill-gotten money with some sophisticating technique

how is auctioning several times, same deity dresses, on the occasion of festival days to those unsuspecting donors simply to raise as much Laxmi as possible, or selling Mahaprasad .

I suppose anything goes in the name of Krishna well almost every thing.

Mode of goodness is stepping stone or a very good foundation to spiritual progress without that whole thing looks very shaky or foggy.

So let us not knock those who cultivate those virtues.

Jai Shree Krishna

[suchandra]

 

So let us not knock those who cultivate those virtues.

Jai Shree Krishna

 

This again, do they have learned from ISKCON how to vote a successor into office?

 

 

 

 

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[suchandra]

Show bottle will not last

760924SB.VRN Lectures 213826/530501

.. India means this planet, Bharatavarsa. There is good opportunity. So we should not think. If we think that "Here is a stone statue," then it will not prolong many days. It will not... Galagraha. No more vigraha, but galagraha. Suppose I have established this temple. Now under my direction, my disciples are worshiping vigraha.

Vigraha means the form of the Lord, rupa. But if there is no following of the regulative principles, then after my death it will be galagraha, a burden, that "Our rascal Guru Maharaja established this temple, and we have to worship, early rise in the morning, all botheration." This will be... That is called galagraha, a burden, "He has left with us a burden." This is the risk. Then this, such a big temple will be mismanaged, and you'll find that "This is breaking" and "This is unclean," and there is no attention. This will be our... That is called galagraha. "The rascal has given us a burden."

So it is very difficult. If we lost, if we have lost that feeling that "Here is Krsna. Here is a chance to serve Him..." Saksad-dharitvena samasta-sastraih... Not that. Sri-vigraharadhana-nitya-nana-srngara-tan-mandira -marjanadau. As soon as... Therefore we are very much vigilant, "Why you did not this? Why you do not this? Why...?" As soon as the feeling of devotional service will be lost, this temple will be a burden. This is the way. It will be such a big temple. To manage, it will be a great burden. So they are feeling burden. Therefore they don't mind if somewhere is broken sometimes.

"All right, let us, whatever money we have got, let us eat first of all." This is the position. Vigraha and galagraha. You should understand. If we forget that "Here is Krsna personally present. We have to receive Him very nicely. We have to give Him nice food, nice dress, nice..." Then it is service. And as soon as the feeling comes that "Here is a stone idol..." They say sometimes "idol worship.And we have been instructed to dress Him, to give Him..., all botheration." Then finished. Finished. That has come everywhere. I have seen in Nasik in many, many big temples there is no pujari, and the dogs are passing stool.

Not only they're breaking. In Western countries also the churches are being closed--big, big churches. In London I have seen, very big, big churches, but they're closed. When there is meeting on Sunday, the caretaker, two, three men, and some old lady, they come. Nobody comes. And we are purchasing. We have purchased several churches. Because it is now useless. It is useless. In our Los Angeles we have purchased and several others. In Toronto. That recently we have purchased. Big, big churches. But they would not sell us. One church, the priest said that "I shall set fire in this church, still I shall not give to Bhaktivedanta Swami." This Toronto church was like that also.

And in Melbourne, the condition was, sale condition was, that you have to dismantle this church building. We said, "Why?" He said, "Utilize as temple now, then we shall not give you." They refused. You know that? So they do not like that "This Krsna consciousness movement will purchase our churches and install Radha-Krsna Deity." They do not like that. But it is not(?) going on. So not only the churches in the Western countries, here also. As soon as you will lose the spirit of service, this temple will become a big go-down, that's all. No more temple. So we have to maintain that service spirit. Therefore we are so much particular-- "Why fresh flower is not there?" If you think, "Here is a stone statue. What is the meaning of fresh flower or old flower? We have to give some flower.

That's all." But no feeling, that "Here is Krsna. We must give fresh flower." Just like I'm a living man, if you give me a fresh flower, and if you bring some garbage, and if you give me, shall I be pleased? Do you think? So this feeling is losing even in the beginning, that "We shall satisfy this statue with some rubbish, garbage flowers. He's not going to protest." Yes, He'll not protest. But your life will be finished. The protest will come like that. As soon as you lost the feeling, bhava, budha bhava-samanvitah. Who can worship Krsna? When there is bhava. Sthayi-bhava. This has been discussed in Bhakti-rasamrta-sindhu, what is bhava. But if you have no bhava, then you are on the material, kanistha-adhikari. Simply show. A show cannot go on many days. Show will be finished very soon. So if you do not keep the bhava... Bhava means... That is on the liberation side.

[suchandra]

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Allahabad, Feb. 9: A journey that began here in the 50s came full circle today as the body of The Beatles’ guru Maharishi Mahesh Yogi was carried around the city before being taken to an ashram near the Ganga-Yamuna confluence.

 

 

The body had been flown in from Amsterdam, where the maharishi died on February 7 at the age of 91.

 

 

In the early 50s, Mahesh Prasad Varma, who later became Mahesh Yogi, had studied physics in Allahabad University after which he began his sojourn.

 

 

Placed on a truck decorated with yellow marigolds, big cutouts of John Lennon, festoons of the Mahesh Yogi Trust and the guru’s slogans for peace, the body arrived from Varanasi’s Babatpur airport this morning.

 

 

It was taken around the city’s main thoroughfare before moving on to the Badrikashram, Yotish Peethadhishwar and the Jagatguru Shankaracharya Sri Basudevanand Saraswati Ashram at Alopibag.

 

 

Hundreds of followers from abroad walked along barefoot, chanting Vedic hymns and “Hare Krishna Hare Ram”.

 

 

The funeral of the architect of Transcendental Meditation will take place at the sangam on February 11 at noon.

 

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[Jahnava Nitai Das]

 

...chanting Vedic hymns and “Hare Krishna Hare Ram”.

 

That will be his eternal credit.

[Tantrayoga]

 

 

That will be his eternal credit.

 

.. and not ONLY that!!

[Jahnava Nitai Das]

Posted by someone on another forum:

 

 

And that narrator of Prabhupada’s books named Amala Bhakta. I met him in the NY Temple in 1976. He said he had been a ‘sanyasi’ disciple of Maharishi for 7 years I think, but he rejected him as Guru and he spoke of the reasons. He told me that Maharishi secretly worshipped Radha-Krishna Deities. That was what he said.

[Jahnava Nitai Das]

 

[suchandra]

".....and he said, “Krishna consciousness is the highest state of consciousness.”"

 

 

 

Prabhupāda: When you were with Maharishi? Come here.

Doug: I joined the Maharishi in 1969, and at that time I was living in Washington, D.C. And his national director came, gave a lecture, and they said that they needed some help because they didn’t have a center there. So I organized the movement out of my parents’ house. I had the center, and I established lectures at all the colleges and started the movement there. And later on, they finally sent some full-time teachers, and they established a center there. And then I started to be with Maharishi and his different courses and doing extensive meditations for long periods of time. And then eventually he formed a committee. This was in 1971-72. He started to form a college called M.I.U., Maharishi International University. And he started to invite educators, and he wanted to… And he also had this…

Prabhupāda: “M.I.U.” means Maharishi…?

Doug: Maharishi International University. And so he started to formulate a curriculum. He was trying to present Vedic studies in Western terms. And so he formed this council of the executive called his executive council. It was called The 108. It didn’t have 108 people, but this was what he called us.

Prabhupāda: One hundred…?

Doug: The 108. He called it The 108, but the official term was the executive council. And that’s what I was with…

Prabhupāda: How many students are there?

Doug: How many students do his meditation?

Prabhupāda: No, the university?

Doug: In the university? I haven’t been with them in a year and a half, but they recently bought a college, and they have part of a college in Santa Barbara, the University of California there. So they’re pretty well established educationally. But it’s losing its potency actually. I think it’s actually reached its peak and left, because when I was with Maharishi also I noticed that it seemed that a lot of his potency seemed to diminish, his charisma, over the years. Seemed to me he’d get more and more depressed if people weren’t actually reaching the states that he was talking of. It didn’t seem like he was satisfied with the advancement people were making. And certainly he wasn’t answering the questions, because all that time I was asking him “What is the highest truth.” And when he talked to God I would say, “Who is God?” And we’d ask him, “Who is Krishna?” and “What about this Krishna conscious movement?” And it was word jugglery. He’d kind of evade our questions and satisfy our elan, but… those questions kept coming up. Somehow he kept us from going into too much detail about it. But eventually… I didn’t see him for a few days. This was when I was in the mountains with him, some other people. And we were making up these curriculums for this college program. And he was doing some transcriptions on the Brahma-sūtras, and he came out, and he was in a very solemn mood, and he said… We asked him what he had realized, what truths he had realized from the Brahma-sutras. And he said, “Krishna consciousness is the highest state of consciousness.” So I left shortly after that. I feel that I could have been chanting all those years, making some progress.

 

 

 

Conversation

His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda

March 2, 1975, Atlanta

http://causelessmercy.com/t/t/750302rc.atl.htm

[theist]

 

And he said, “Krishna consciousness is the highest state of consciousness.” So I left shortly after that. I feel that I could have been chanting all those years, making some progress.

 

This is the problem I have with all these folks who teach something other than surrender to the Supreme Person. By teaching something else they misdirect others.

[Murali_Mohan_das]

This past Sunday, I specifically asked Srutasrava Prabhu whether, when he said we must not judge the Vaishnava, it was all right to judge someone who is not formally a Vaishnava. As an example, I gave the Maharishi.

 

Though he did not mention Maharishi Mahesh Yogi in his reply, Srutasrava reminded us that Mahaprabhu's advice to be humble, tolerant, and to give honor to others applied to *all* "others", not just the Vaishnava. Of course, he added, our consideration for the Vaishnavas will be extra special.

[Avinash]

Why did he worship Radha-Krishna secretly? Why not openly? I mean it is not a crime that he had to do it secretly?

[theist]

 

Why did he worship Radha-Krishna secretly? Why not openly? I mean it is not a crime that he had to do it secretly?

 

Perhaps he was worried it woud disturb his guru business.