God: two Possibilities

[Redsox]

 

C) Get yourself to a temple feast [this friday is Gaura-Purnima] and eat as much maha-prasadam as can be begged, borrowed, stolen, in exchange for some donation, and or asked for: Then you'll be satiated without doubt. [tip #1: honor the prasadam at a very-very-very slow pace, do not rush] [tip #2: take home as much left over prasadam as possible and repeat the above at home at a very-very-very slow pace].

 

I doubt that will change anything, but the decorations seem nice in hare krishna temples, I will visit and see if that changes anything.

[AncientMariner]

 

Ofcourse you know what happens at death, the body becomes useless , there is no life in it. I don't need to know anything more.

It is not me bluffing, its the religion that is bluffing...

No matter how much I may try to convince myself. I cannot believe in all these stories. Example: one of the stories I have a hard time believing is the whole moon story and how moon got to be on shiva's head: ready? here goes:

moon planet supposedly was married to 27 stars, but he only likes rohini and because of that Daksha (father of these 27 stars) gave him a curse to lose his splendor and then he ran to back to Shiva for help, and Vishnu saved him by spliting the moon god into two bodies, one body where he kept his splendor and another body where he had the danger of becoming ugly... but shiva gave him a boon that as long as he is on his head, he won't lose his splendor, and this is why he is on Shiva's head (get a picture of shiva, you will see the moon on his head).

There are plenty of stories like that and they just seem like myths even in bhagavatam, and this leads people to claim that there is only one sun in the universe or that moon is farther than the sun. These things are based on speculation, so if the people who narrated bhagavatam are wrong about things like these, what should convince me that they are right when they claim God is Krishna who has two hands, or that God is brahman, or that God is shiva or that God exists at all?

 

Another thing that leads me to conclude that this is all not in accordance to reality is the apparent contradictions. According to shaivites Shiva and shakti create Vishnu, who creates brahma and he creates this world.

According to Vaishnavites, the whole world is created and permeated by Vishnu,

According to Jnanis, there was never a creation at all, this is all an incredible illusion like a dream, and we are all dream objects in the mind of Brahman.

According to Shakti Worshippers, The devi Ma, is the real truth, all else is false.

Then you have other religions,

Christianity suggests all of this is wrong, what hindus worship are demons and say that God will send them to hell, and even suggests that God is jealous and will punish you when you don't worship him.

 

On the other hand , there is Islam, that suggests that Allah is to be feared and all infidels in the camp of the non believers (by that they mean any nonmuslim) are going to be tortured forever and destroyed, unless they are converted back.

 

Who is right? they all claim to be right in their own way, and they all suggest the other one is wrong, and they all have some crazy story pertaining to how this entire universe came about and what one needs to do to please that all powerful God. Then there are those who get so involved in all these stories that they start hating the other religion while being biased to their own.

 

No religious person can ever stop hurricanes, but they try to justify them. Some people like pat robertson even suggest that hurricanes in certain regions happen because God was angry at them and wanted to punish them. For instance, he claimed the T-sunami hit India and indonesia because they were worshipping demons, they weren't worshipping God.

 

See how ridiculous all these people sound? How can you even claim that God exists when you look at all this. It seems that God is nothing more than an imaginary figure used to control the masses and put them in line through subjugation. Sometimes God is used to keep age old traditions alive... like the sandya vandanam that brahmins carry out.

 

 

 

 

You make some good points and I can appreciate you expressing your honest emotions about everything. I personally don't know anything for absolute sure because whenever I do the universe seems to bi*** slap me right upside the head. All that being said for some reason I have always had an inherent faith in God. I hope it is not irrational, I guess someday I might actually find out. From a Krsna Consciousness perspective I have an offensive mentality because I often find myself praying for the Kalki-avatar to appear even though I know you are not supposed to do that.

[Redsox]

 

You make some good points and I can appreciate you expressing your honest emotions about everything. I personally don't know anything for absolute sure because whenever I do the universe seems to bi*** slap me right upside the head. All that being said for some reason I have always had an inherent faith in God. I hope it is not irrational, I guess someday I might actually find out. From a Krsna Consciousness perspective I have an offensive mentality because I often find myself praying for the Kalki-avatar to appear even though I know you are not supposed to do that.

 

lol if kalki does appear, he will start waving his sword at the religious fundamentalists first. LOL

[indulekhadasi]

 

lol this is funny. on one hand, not even a blade of grass bends without krishna's approval, so everyone is dependent on krishna. On the other hand, you have to "surrender" give up control, when in the first place, the control itself is not yours to give. Ha!

 

Let me ask you this, today, a woman is raped in the world every 2 mins, where is krishna? is he waiting for them to give up control?

 

Do you think if everyone in the world stops their respective work (whatever he/she does) , goes to a temple and starts praying 24/7 and surrenders to krishna this way, they will get food instantaneously out of the sky? maybe its difficult for the whole world, but what about one person then? Will he get his food on the table if he quits his job and goes on to realize the ultimate truth that is krishna? I don't think so. In fact, he will starve to death, even when he claims that krishna is the "abundant reservoir" like prabhupada might claim.

No offense to prabhupada though, he is a nice old man, I respect him , he tried to get people to stop using drugs and stop killing animals.

 

Hare Krishna Redsox! Wake up. This is Kali yuga, the Iron age. We have not been serious enough. First of all it was our crazy decision to come to the material world. Krishna gives us that much independence because how can he force us to come to his lotus feet when we don't want to? That would be a forced relationship! Second of all we were not serious in trying to go back to godhead and so after millions of lifetimes we are still in this horrible material world. And now it is Kali yuga and we are still not ready to go back to godhead. Krishna is trying to show us the disgusting nature of the material world that is why rapes are happening so often. And still after the rapes we are not ready to go back to Krishna. This is our philosophy- No! I shall stay in the material world despite all its horrible things like rapes and murders. No matter that ever so often I must die and take birth and when I simply want to live a peaceful life I must go through disease and then old age. It is ok. I rather be here than with Krishna! Even for the person who was raped...this is their philosophy so what can Krishna do? No way does he want a one sided relationship, so why would he try to bring that fallen soul to him when that fallen soul is not ready, anyway?

 

Who is asking you to quit your job? Krishna never advises us to quit our job so we can serve him. Krishna wants us to continue our job but in the spirit that "I am doing this job for Krishna, because Krishna wants me to do my duty." Krishna helps those who help themselves- this is my favorite quote.

[Beggar]

Srila Sridhar Maharaj

Search for Sri Krishna,

If one who has much affinity towards worldly life suddenly leaves that, he may not keep up his vows; he may go down again. So, according to personal capacity we must make gradual progress. That is to be taken into consideration....

 

But still, we should always be eager to give up everything and devote ourselves exclusively to the highest duty. Those who have enough courage will jump into the unknown, thinking, "Krishna will protect me, I am jumping in the name of God. He is everywhere; He will take me on His lap." With this idea, one who has real eagerness for the truth may leap forward.

[bhaktajan]

 

Let me ask you this, today, a woman is raped in the world every 2 mins, where is krishna? is he waiting for them to give up control?

 

The Chakras relate to different spheres of our ouwn individual personal lives.

The state of one of the chakras being stunted or drained of energy manifests as a physical malady that reflects which chakra it is related to.

 

The "energy vampires" (and, "crazy-makers") we encounter in life will drain a specific chakra or two of it's inherit enliving qualities and thus leave a person lethargic if not physically/psychically/mentally ill.

 

"Wound-ology" is simply a term to denote people who relate to each other by way of the commonality of a particular mutually shared malady. Thus, each is an 'en-abler' to the other, thus, they revel in the Camaraderie rather than seeking a solution their malady.

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Breaking Away from the Seductive Power of the Wound

 

by Debra Hiers

Listening to Caroline Myss's audio tapes and reading through her books is like picking up a combination lock in the palm of your hand without knowing the combination and listening intently until you feel the tumblers falling into place and they do fall into place, many times over. Each time I experienced myself living the paradigm shift that Caroline was describing. In encountering Myss's work you may feel a subtle, yet powerful influence entering your consciousness; at other times it is like being hit over the head with a sledgehammer and a voice shouting 'Are you awake yet? You'd better wake up and hear this.'

From journalist to publisher to medical intuitive, Caroline Myss's career track has been one that has propelled her forward into a particular awareness of the connecting links between one's life purpose, spiritual journey, and well-being. In the preface to Anatomy of the Spirit she writes, 'I believe we are meant to understand our body-minds as individual spiritual powers expressive of a greater Divine energy. We are meant to discover both our personal power and our shared purpose for being alive within a spiritual context.'

I recently had the opportunity to interview her from afar; she was in <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Cape Town</st1:City>, <st1:country-region w:st="on">South Africa</st1:country-region></st1:place> at the time. She enthusiastically reported, 'I had a workshop this weekend that was 500 people and (over) 300 were turned away. I'm meeting with physicians and health specialists in private workshops so I'm really quite flattered at the way my work has taken off here.' From <st1:country-region w:st="on">South Africa</st1:country-region>, Myss was on her way to <st1:country-region w:st="on">Australia</st1:country-region> and then <st1:country-region w:st="on">New Zealand</st1:country-region> before returning home to <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Chicago</st1:City></st1:place> in late August. We spoke of the challenges Myss had faced in accepting her life's path as a medical intuitive. When I remarked that I sensed that everything she had written about in Anatomy of the Spirit was something she herself had lived through, she exclaimed, 'You got that right!' She went on to say,' I think everyone can say about their work (that) it wasn't easy. It's not an original statement and I'm hardly the first to make it. But I'm certainly one who can say that, because nothing about this has been easy.'

For now Myss has arrived at a comfortable plateau with her work, a place where she no longer has to prove its validity. 'Maintaining its validity,' she says, 'is a whole different feeling. I can tell by the way health professionals are interested in what I'm doing and by the number of people who want to become students-that says a great deal about the respectability you've earned. I feel very privileged to be part of the movement to validate the role that the spiritual part of ourselves actually plays in every minute of our lives instead of looking at the spirit as that part of us which reaps the benefits of our life or suffers the consequences. I feel very privileged to be part of the creation of a new language and the new consciousness. You know, I'd rather do this than anything else.'

Her life story illustrates for each of us the nature of the spiritual journey. The most important part of finding the way may simply be in the showing up. It has everything to do with living in present time. One brave step gets you to the next, even though it may not be the path you 'think' you should be on.

Myss began her career as a journalist with great ambition: to win a Pulitzer prize before turning thirty. As it turned out, she discovered while working at her first newspaper job that she was not particularly 'gifted' in this area. Quitting the newspaper job led to months of gloomy depression. During this time she recalled an encounter with an Athabascan Indian woman in <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:State w:st="on">Alaska</st1:State></st1:place> who told her of spirit medicine and medicine men, and how one knows when it is time to die. Her next step was graduate school in theology, earning a Master's degree in the study of mysticism and schizophrenia. While at a workshop in <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:State w:st="on">Virginia</st1:State></st1:place>, she met Jim and Meredith Young. 'We were all talking about what we'd like to do and we got very enthused about doing something in the human consciousness field, ' she recalls. As a result they founded Stillpoint publishing company in <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:State w:st="on">New Hampshire</st1:State></st1:place>.

While she was at Stillpoint a funny thing happened. Although she was in the business of publishing books on alternative healing methods, she 'wasn't the least bit interested in becoming personally involved in them.' She smoked cigarettes and drank coffee by the gallon. A mystical experience was not high on her agenda. And yet a mystical experience was exactly what she got. She became medically clairvoyant.

In Anatomy of the Spirit she describes these impressions as impersonal daydreams that came to her. 'No dramatic Åefirst event' ushered my intuitive abilities into my life. They simply woke up inside me, easily, naturally, as if they had always been there,' she writes. As word traveled about her abilities she found that she was soon sandwiching diagnostic health readings in between the reading of manuscripts.

This was a confusing and difficult time for her. To begin to make sense of what was happening, Myss introduced herself to Dr. Norman Shealy, founder of the American Holistic Medical Association, at a conference in 1984. A month later he called to test her intuitive abilities with a patient in his office. Convinced of her gifts, Shealy worked with Myss, teaching her the physical anatomy of the body and coaching her intuitive practice towards medical accuracy. As a result of their work together they co-authored The Creation of Health (Stillpoint, 1988).

Shortly after the publication of The Creation of Health Caroline was in an automobile accident which gave her the opportunity to 'see' in an unconscious state what clearly was her work to do. She left the publishing company to pursue medical intuition on a full-time basis. And has not skipped a beat since.

Anatomy of the Spirit presents a thorough study of the human energy field integrating the Hindu system of the seven chakras, the Kabbalah's Tree of Life, and the seven Christian sacraments. By uniting these three fields of spiritual study, Myss illustrates the ways in which healing is a spiritual undertaking, one that is ongoing. The human energy system described by Myss is an embodiment of these seven sacred truths.

Her newest book, Why People Don't Heal and How They Can, due in late October from Harmony Books, picks up where Anatomy of the Spirit left off. In 1988 Myss noticed a shift in what was going on with her workshop participants. There was a general feeling of despair at having tried everything and still not being able to heal. Somehow in spite of all they were doing, change was not occurring on the cellular level where it was needed in order to bring about a complete healing.

What she discovered in observing this phenomenon was that sometimes a person's identification with the wounds of their past is so strong that it defines their identity in the present. Furthermore, she observed that it is through the language of wounds that we intimately connect with one another and gain power in our relationships. 'This type of social authority can become very powerful, even addicting-health never demands such clout,' she writes.

Myss calls this language 'woundology' and speaks candidly of the seductive power of wounds. She firmly believes that we are not meant to stay wounded, and clearly hopes that people will find her work helpful in letting go of the past and reaching a place of forgiveness. 'I hope people find it very useful, because my intention is to always find more and more ways for people to live better and healthier and I hope I've succeeded with this book.'

Healing is a personal journey; it requires both internal and external change and sometimes the changes required in the healing process are more than a person desires to make. Moreover, the fear of change and postponing the changes one needs to make can create a climate of decline in the body's energy field that may make us more susceptible to a particular illness taking root. In this sense Myss's work has meaning for not only those who are physically ill, but for everyone. This is preventive medicine in the truest sense of the word.

Myss articulates it this way: 'You know there's a lot more than physical illness...There are very few people you can say are really totally healthy. You're suffering with something; eitheryou're suffering from coping with stress in a relationship or stress at a job. You're going to have some area of your life that isn't the way you want it. So whether that area of your life is your physical body or some form of your environment or your spiritual life is quiet frankly irrelevant ... I wanted to articulate a universal model that could be applied to any area of human Life.' This personal journey finds metaphorical value in the study of the astrological ages. Myss identifies three forms of power-Tribal, Individual, and Symbolic-that have evolved during the Arien, Piscean, and now the Aquarian Age and applies them to the patterns of human growth that every individual experiences.

'I think that by nature we are tribal creatures,' she explains. 'We need each other. The earth is a tribal place. What I teach people in my workshops is that the first place we learn tribal law and tribal interaction is within our biological tribe. It is inevitable that each of us make the journey to recognizing that we are universally tied together as a tribe...We are in a stage of our evolution where I believe the forces of evolution are now saying to us the time has come for you to unite as a planetary tribe. And that's all there is to it.

'So, in that state of evolution one automatically moves from being tribal to having to discover oneself because when you are in a tribe what you believe has been given to you, so you maintain a tribal belief. You have yet to undergo the process of self-discovery but it is inevitable that you have to go through that. So, at some point when you are ready to leave that safety net of a group system, you break off and you begin the journey of discovering who you are and what you believe.

'You see that journey in people all over. And if you sit them down and say who are you and what started this, they will-each one of them-tell you that they didn't get along with their family in some way, shape or form...and its always because our tribe did not allow us the room we wanted.'

Myss sees this friction as a natural transition. You turn away from your family or tribe in order to form an individual identity. 'That's the way its supposed to be,' she says. 'That's not a tribal crime. They're doing you a favor if you really understand the system. And you have to go through that state of self-knowing...and that stage can be incredibly lonely because you're not supposed to have interference. You've got to get to know yourself...and then with great consciousness you can choose what you need. Once you get past the fear of being a strong individual...then it seems like you are in a position to begin to look at life more impersonally.'

Looking at one's life from an impersonal point of view is akin to practicing the fine art of detachment. Those familiar with the practice of mindfulness meditation will easily see this correlation. In this state of detached observation, past events do not hold power over you. 'As you move through evolution into getting to know oneself,' Myss explains, 'you begin to know what it means to detach from things that have your spirit.' This allows us to 'look at the whole of our lives from a detached impersonal point of view so that we can with consciousness invest our spirit in what we want to or not invest it (in what we don't want to) or discover where it's invested that we have to call it back from. Now you've got great power running through your system.

'What I wanted to do was present a model that helps people do that, (one) that is far more practical than just telling them (to) get detached. Everybody needs help learning how to do that.'

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[bhaktajan]

Dark Night of the Soul

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Dark Night of the Soul is a treatise written by Spanish poet and Roman Catholic mystic Saint John of the Cross. It has become an expression used to describe a specific phase in a person's spiritual life, a metaphor for a certain loneliness and desolation. Though typically associated with a crisis of faith in the Roman Catholic tradition, it is referenced by spiritual traditions throughout the world.

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The phrase "dark night of the soul" emerged from the writings of Saint John of the Cross, a Carmelite priest in the 16th century. Dark Night of the Soul, the name of a poem and its theological commentary, are among the Carmelite priest's most well-known writings. The texts tell of the saint's mystical development and the stages he is subjected to on his journey towards union with God.

The Dark Night of the Soul is divided into two books that reflect the two phases of the dark night. The first, that of the soul, is a purification of the senses. The second and more intense of the two stages is that of the spirit, which is the less common of the two. Dark Night of the Soul further describes the ten steps on the ladder of mystical love, previously described by Saint Thomas Aquinas and in part by Aristotle, referred to by medieval Catholic theologians as the Philosopher, for he established justification for the existence of one true God and thus refuted his master, Plato. The text was written while John of the Cross was imprisoned by his Carmelite brothers, who opposed his reformations to the Order.

Saint Thérèse of Lisieux, a 19th-century French Carmelite, underwent similar experience. Centering on doubts about the afterlife, she reportedly told her fellow nuns, "If you only knew what darkness I am plunged into." <SUP id=_ref-nyt_0>[1]</SUP>

While this crisis is assured to be temporary in nature, it may be extended. The "dark night" of <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Saint Paul of the Cross in the 18th century lasted 45 years, from which he ultimately recovered. Mother Teresa of <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Calcutta</st1:place></st1:City>, according to letters released in 2007, "may be the most extensive such case on record", lasting from 1948 almost up until her death in 1997, with only brief interludes of relief between <SUP id=_ref-time_0>[2]</SUP>. Franciscan Friar Father Benedict Groeschel, a friend of Mother Teresa for a large part of her life, claims that "the darkness left" towards the end of her life <SUP id=_ref-groeschel_0>[3]</SUP>.</st1:place></st1:City>

The "dark night" might clinically or secularly be described as letting go of one's ego's as it holds back the psyche, thus making room for some form of transformation, perhaps in a person's way of defining him or her self or his or her relationship to God. This interim period can be frightening, hence the perceived "darkness."

In the Christian tradition, one who has developed a strong prayer life and consistent devotion to God suddenly finds traditional prayer extremely difficult and unrewarding for an extended period of time during this "dark night." The individual may feel as though God has suddenly abandoned them or that his or her prayer life has collapsed.

Rather than resulting in devastation, however, the dark night is perceived by mystics and others to be a blessing in disguise, whereby the individual extends from a state of contemplative prayer to an inability to pray. It is this purgatory, a purgation of the soul, that brings purity and union with God. Such blessings cannot be perceived while the soul suffers this "night." Thus, the Dark Night of the Soul is experienced as a severe test of one's faith that leads to deeper understanding and greater love.

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Book by Caroline Myss:

Dark Night of the Soul

 

<st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">St John</st1:place></st1:City> of the Cross

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After escaping his captors, John fell into a state of profound ecstasy and wrote Dark Night of the Soul. Later, he added an important commentary to his poem to guide other searching souls along the arduous path to communion with god. Here, for the first time, a scholar unaffliated with the Catholic Church has translated this timeless work. Mirabai Starr, who has studied Buddhism, Hinduism, and Judaism, lends the seeker's sensibility to John's powerful text and brings this classis work to the twenty-first century in a brilliant and beautiful rendering.

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[Redsox]

Its ok, for me krishna was too restrictive, thats why I came to this material world right? great.

 

I am going to stay here if you will excuse me, I am going to enjoy my new found freedom by helping sick people who need healing. I don't need God to do this.

Ofcourse, this doesn't mean you shouldn't follow your way to krishna, go ahead, I will see you all after a few million lifetimes.

ok? peace and love to you all, and may you find your way back to where ever you think you are going .

[theist]

 

Redsox: Ofcourse you know what happens at death, the body becomes useless , there is no life in it. I don't need to know anything more.

 

There is no life in it because the life has left and gone somewhere else. You are that life. But then if you are interested in discovering yourself, who you are, you have no need of a human form. The human form is meant for questions like this.

 

The problem is you don't know what will happen at death or if you are the body or something else. This is called ignorance. If you wish to stay ignorant that is your business. I wonder why you are spending so much time on this thread talking about God if you are so convinced there is no God.

 

Forget the God question for a moment and just try to learn who YOU are. Until you can at least philosophically understand the difference between matter and spirit Krishna consciousness will not make any sense to you.

[indulekhadasi]

 

Its ok, for me krishna was too restrictive, thats why I came to this material world right? great.

 

I am going to stay here if you will excuse me, I am going to enjoy my new found freedom by helping sick people who need healing. I don't need God to do this.

Ofcourse, this doesn't mean you shouldn't follow your way to krishna, go ahead, I will see you all after a few million lifetimes.

ok? peace and love to you all, and may you find your way back to where ever you think you are going .

 

No, not restrictive. You didn't care to be with Krishna and so Krishna sent you to the place you wanted to be because he didn't want a forced relationship of love and devotion.

 

Yes, unfortunately this immortal philosophy has not changed your heart, so go wherever you want to, I wish you all the best. I am sure that Krishna was pleased with whatever devotional service you gave to him and will help you understand either in this life or the next the nectar that can be found in devotional service that comes in time.

[Vedesu]

 

I am going to stay here if you will excuse me, I am going to enjoy my new found freedom by helping sick people who need healing. I don't need God to do this.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We'll sing in the sunshine

We'll laugh every da-a-y

We'll sing in the sunshine

Then I'll be on my way

 

 

 

 

I will never love you, Krsna

The cost of love's too dear

But though I'll never love you, Lord

I'll stay with you one year

 

 

 

 

And we can sing in the sunshine

We'll laugh every da-a-y

We'll sing in the sunshine

Then I'll be on my way

 

[Redsox]

Nice cat.

[Beggar]

 

 

[Redsox]

Yep, thats good too.

[tackleberry]

People who don't like the concept of god can always follow Buddhism, and develop a lot of compassion to fellow human beings. That is more than enough, no need to force oneself to believe in god and become fanatical.

[JustRish]

 

THANKS FOR READING MY RANT, THIS IS ALSO MY LAST POST PROBABLY HERE AND PROBABLY MY LAST SEARCH FOR GOD EVER WITH ANY RELIGIOUS ORGANIZATION AROUND THE WORLD. IN THE FUTURE, I WILL PROBABLY BE CHANGING MY PROFESSIONAL INTERESTS TO SERVE AN ATHEISTIC HUMANITARIAN ORGANIZATION LIKE PEACE CORPS OR RED CROSS IN THE FUTURE.

 

PEACE!

 

Oh My Goodness Me... Someone is having a more bad day than me . Here, have a cookie.