Recognition Of Gay Unions In Austria

suchandra · April 26, 2008

Yesterday the new law became valid. What that means - materially, the taxpayer is burdened to pay for the magisterial institution. Spiritually, sanctioned by the government - people are legally permitted to increase their material lust without taking the responsibility of raising children. Tamas ki jaya!

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Prabhupada: Yes. They're after money. So they are less than sudras. That is the cause that Christianity has fallen down, that they cannot speak straightly, or otherwise... It is straight commandment, "Thou shalt not kill." And because people are killing, they're... Now they are give man-to-man marriage, what to speak of other things. The priests, they are sermonizing this man-to-man marriage. Just see how degraded they have become. Whether any conception... At least, outside America, nobody knows that a man can be married with another man. What is this? And they're supporting it. You know that?

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Well, meanwhile it successfully is spreading outside USA, whereas Krishna consciousness is degrading, Vaishnavism checkmate?

Recognition of gay unions in Austria

Austria Getting Gay Marriage?

Politico Drafting Historic Bill

Things are looking up in Austria, where politicians are drafting a gay marriage law.

In an attempt to end years of political dispute Austria’s Social Democrat Justice Minister Maria Berger Wednesday introduced a first draft for a law granting gay couples the same rights as heterosexuals. The so-called registered partnership shows a number of parallels with traditional marriage law, complete with similar rights and duties, but was no “marriage light” Berger stressed and was independent of current marriage legislation.

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Berger’s draft will be discussed by a bipartisan working group before being introduced to parliament by the end of this year.

If only Austrian-born, gay marriage vetoing California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger were as progressive as his countrywomen.

mahak · May 1, 2008

What do they want. All unions must go through a negotiation process. Im a former Machinist. Now that was a union, we made cars, airplanes, built Trident Submarines, NASA vehicles.

Who is this Gay Union. How mush do they want, when does their contract expire, did they follow the correct process for getting recognized. You cant just call yourself a union, a very severe process must be followed. Union benefits were paid for by very noble and swelf-sacrificing folks at the beginning of last century. The wobblies (Workers of the World) were greatly persecuted for the benefit of even those who despise the unions today. What does this Gay Union get for the world at large? If they dont fight for me, then I dont support them.

(Of course, I wont cross their picket line, either, I dont want their Scabs)

mahak

RadheyRadhey108 · May 2, 2008

Why does everyone care so much if homosexuals get married? How is that any of our business? And, why, exactly, should a secular government have to take some people's religious views into consideration when deciding who people can and can't marry/have sexual relations with?

AncientMariner · May 2, 2008

Why does everyone care so much if homosexuals get married? How is that any of our business? And, why, exactly, should a secular government have to take some people's religious views into consideration when deciding who people can and can't marry/have sexual relations with?

I don't care if gay people get married or not to be honest but I have to admit there is always a part of my brain that tells me that at least from an anatomical perspective there is something inherently ridiculous about homosexuality.

suchandra · May 2, 2008

Why does everyone care so much if homosexuals get married? How is that any of our business? And, why, exactly, should a secular government have to take some people's religious views into consideration when deciding who people can and can't marry/have sexual relations with?

But you don't care about anything, isn't it? "Let everybody go to hell, I don't care, after all that's what people want in this fallen age of kali - go to hell - why bother?"

This mentality is of course in the material sense right and correct, let the karmis busy as a bee produce their karma. But is this the reason why Lord Caitanya, Lord Sri Krishna, God Himself appeared on this Earth 500 years ago and installed His Sankirtan Movement? He wants us to come back to the spiritual world and help others to also come back.

Then Sri Caitanya specifically states (Antya-lila 4.126): “I declare that My name will be preached in every town and village on this earth.”

Homosexuality is not becoming detached from material bondage, it is becoming terribly attached and bound up life after life to karmic reactions.

Sri Mayapur Chandra udya Mandir

Srila Nityananda Prabhu tells Srila Jiva Goswami that one day an astonishing temple will rise in Mayapur.

eka adbhuta mandira ei haibe prakasa

gauranga nitya seva haibe vikasa

"An astounding temple will appear and will engage the entire world in the eternal service of Lord Caitanya."

RadheyRadhey108 · May 2, 2008

I don't care if gay people get married or not to be honest but I have to admit there is always a part of my brain that tells me that at least from an anatomical perspective there is something inherently ridiculous about homosexuality.

I don't know about ridiculous, but I would agree that it certainly does go against the anatomy of the human body... I still think it should be their choice though.

RadheyRadhey108 · May 2, 2008

But you don't care about anything, isn't it? "Let everybody go to hell, I don't care, after all that's what people want in this fallen age of kali - go to hell - why bother?"
This mentality is of course in the material sense right and correct, let the karmis busy as a bee produce their karma. But is this the reason why Lord Caitanya, Lord Sri Krishna, God Himself appeared on this Earth 500 years ago and installed His Sankirtan Movement? He wants us to come back to the spiritual world and help others to also come back.

Then Sri Caitanya specifically states (Antya-lila 4.126): “I declare that My name will be preached in every town and village on this earth.”

Homosexuality is not becoming detached from material bondage, it is becoming terribly attached and bound up life after life to karmic reactions.

Sri Mayapur Chandra udya Mandir

Srila Nityananda Prabhu tells Srila Jiva Goswami that one day an astonishing temple will rise in Mayapur.

eka adbhuta mandira ei haibe prakasa

gauranga nitya seva haibe vikasa

"An astounding temple will appear and will engage the entire world in the eternal service of Lord Caitanya."

What do you mean by, "But you don't care about anything"? I care about many things. What people choose to do with their genital organs in mutual intercourse isn't among the 'Top Ten' on my list of things to care about, but that doesn't mean that I care about nothing.

Well, I don't think homosexuals are going to hell, so I'd have to say that you completely misunderstood me on that level.

Exactly what kind of horrible karma would a homosexual incur for being a homosexual? I really can think of no just punishment that God could give someone for their sexual preference (especially not a life in the hellish realms).

I don't see how homosexuality is more binding to the material world than heterosexuality. They both bind one to the body, so I guess that everyone should just stop copulating all together and let the human race die off.

I'm not seeing how Lord Chaitanya preaching Sankirtan is a statement against homosexuality, but okay... we can go with that. :rolleyes:

I'm also not seeing how an all-accepting temple for the worship of Lord Chaitanya is also a statement against homosexuality.

suchandra · May 3, 2008

What do you mean by, "But you don't care about anything"? I care about many things. What people choose to do with their genital organs in mutual intercourse isn't among the 'Top Ten' on my list of things to care about, but that doesn't mean that I care about nothing.
Well, I don't think homosexuals are going to hell, so I'd have to say that you completely misunderstood me on that level.

Exactly what kind of horrible karma would a homosexual incur for being a homosexual? I really can think of no just punishment that God could give someone for their sexual preference (especially not a life in the hellish realms).

I don't see how homosexuality is more binding to the material world than heterosexuality. They both bind one to the body, so I guess that everyone should just stop copulating all together and let the human race die off.

I'm not seeing how Lord Chaitanya preaching Sankirtan is a statement against homosexuality, but okay... we can go with that.

I'm also not seeing how an all-accepting temple for the worship of Lord Chaitanya is also a statement against homosexuality.

There're of course lots of opinions and suggestions and actualy when I would presenting my own opinion it would be certainly something like you say, live and let live. Since spirituality defined according the vedas is to follow the current acarya, in this case the first and most important sampradaya in this universe, the brahma-madhva-gaudiya sampradaya, Srila Prabhupada - he made enough comments to give us the right understanding.

1. Causelessmercy - Room Conversation with Director of Research of the Dept. of...

And they are advocating homosex. So where is ... priestly class, sanctioning homosex.Director: Pardon?Prabhupāda: ... are discussing about homosex, in favor of homosex. So where is

http://causelessmercy.com/t/t/750521rc.mel.htm

2. Causelessmercy - Room Conversation - August 25, 1971, London

The sense gratification, homosex, they are supporting. Just see. Just see ... least, in animal society there is no homosex. They have created homosex, and that is being passed by the

http://causelessmercy.com/t/t/710825rc.lon.htm

3. Causelessmercy - Morning Walk - May 11, 1975, Perth

Just like yesterday you told me the students are talking about homosex. That means tamo- ... are discussing about homosex. That means tamo- ... to fulfill, by homosex or sex with

http://causelessmercy.com/t/t/750511mw.per.htm

4. Causelessmercy - Conversation with the GBC - Los Angeles, May 25, 1972, (new98)

Now the priestly order supporting homosex. I was surprised. They are ... still, if there somebody hears about homosex (makes sound of breathing out). Homosex is there but nobody will

http://causelessmercy.com/t/t/720525RC.LA.htm

5. Causelessmercy - Morning Room Conversation - February 16, 1977, Mayapur

The priests are doing all rascal nonsense. Homosex.Prabhupāda: They ... Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: And homosex.Prabhupāda: Homosex, what is that ... passing to homosex, religion. They

http://causelessmercy.com/t/t/770216rc.may.htm

6. Causelessmercy - Morning Walk - July 16, 1975, San Francisco

the hogs and monkeys having homosex relationships, so ... because the dogs have homosex, therefore the man should have ?Bahulāśva: Should have homosex.Dharmādhyakṣa: Yes, if an

http://causelessmercy.com/t/t/750716mw.sf.htm

7. Causelessmercy - Room Conversation - January 27, 1977, Puri

Their only improvement now is abortion and homosex. That is the most ... their children to the homosex dance, the parents, and ... Yes, go and have homosex dancing if such parents

http://causelessmercy.com/t/t/770127rc.pur.htm

8. Causelessmercy - Room Conversation Varnasrama July 14, 1977, Vrndavana

Ginsberg s movement is that, homosex, public sex. Ginsberg was ... that he had introduced homosex. He was telling me. ... proud: I have introduced homosex. He thought very brilliant

http://causelessmercy.com/t/t/770714rc.vrn.htm

9. Causelessmercy - Morning Walk - May 13, 1975, Perth

They want sex enjoyment to the best capacity homosex, this sex, that sex, ... passing, Yes, you can have homosex with man. They are getting ... to man and accepting homosex, so what is the

http://causelessmercy.com/t/t/750513mw.per.htm

10. Causelessmercy - Arrival - Chicago, July 3, 1975

That will be there. Impotency. This homosex is also another sign ... bother. It is sense enjoyment, homosex. Progeny, they don t want ... another sex impulse in homosex. This is the psychology

http://causelessmercy.com/t/t/750703AR.CHI.htm

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</td></tr></tbody></table>11. Causelessmercy - Morning Walk - September 6, 1975, Vrndavana

This is going on. This homosex propaganda is another side of impotency. So ... make that more and more accepted in America, homosex.Prabhupāda: Yes. The churches accept. It is already

http://causelessmercy.com/t/t/750906mw.vrn.htm

12. Causelessmercy - Morning Walk - May 14, 1975, Perth

They are discussing in the university homosex. They are advanced. Advancement ... about the profit of homosex. Where is first-class ... Amogha: They say that homosex keeps the balance of

http://causelessmercy.com/t/t/750514mw.per.htm

13. Causelessmercy - Morning Walk - December 8, 1973, Los Angeles

When they are sanctioning abortion, homosex, now they are ... traditional Christians condemn homosex and abortion. A ... they condemn abortion and homosex.Prabhupāda: Yes, they are

http://causelessmercy.com/t/t/731208mw.la.htm

14. Causelessmercy - Room Conversation - January 8, 1976, Nellore

Now this homosex they are sanctioning, man-to-man marriage. ... Prabhupāda: Hm?Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Now they have churches for homosex. That means the priest is a homosexual, and the

http://causelessmercy.com/t/t/760108rc.nel.htm

15. Causelessmercy - Conversation: Vairagya, Salaries, and Political Etiquette...

They are having homosex. They are encouraging homosex, giving man-to-man marriage. You know that? This is going on. Doing everything nonsense.Girirāja: Actually their leader

http://causelessmercy.com/t/t/770428rc.bom.htm

16. Causelessmercy - Room Conversation - June 18, 1976, Toronto

Vāsudeva, it was known fact that he was homosex?Prabhupāda: Yes.Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Vāsudeva.Prabhupāda: He was homosex and sex, everything.Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Here,

http://causelessmercy.com/t/t/760618rc.tor.htm

17. Causelessmercy - Sunday Feast Lecture - Los Angeles, May 21, 1972

A person on religious category, he s advocating something, oh, it is not to be uttered. Homosex. You see? He s advocating homosex. Just see. These has been topsy-turvied. The four

http://causelessmercy.com/t/t/720521LE.LA.htm

18. Causelessmercy - Morning Walk Conversation - Los Angeles, September 28, 1972...

Either they re leaving or they re marrying man to man.Prabhupāda: Homosex. They are supporting homosex. So degraded, and still they say, What we have done? They do not know what

http://causelessmercy.com/t/t/720928MW.LA.htm

19. Causelessmercy - Morning Walk - June 17, 1976, Toronto

Even the so-called priests, they are also fourth-class, fifth-class men. Indulging in homosex.Satsvarūpa: This priest who joined us, who s now your man, he said that although he

http://causelessmercy.com/t/t/760617mw.tor.htm

20. Causelessmercy - Morning Walk - April 8, 1976, Mayapur

The persons from the ecclesiastical order, they are also so polluted, they are sanctioning homosex, abortion. What can be done for the common man?Madhudviṣa: I was reading in

http://causelessmercy.com/t/t/760408mw.vrn.htm

21. Causelessmercy - Morning Walk - June 6, 1976, Los Angeles

Yes, they re supporting homosex. So when the priests are sinful, the public is sinful, how the church will go on? Churches, they are expecting church must support abortion and

http://causelessmercy.com/t/t/760606mw.la.htm

22. Causelessmercy - Morning Walk - April 2, 1975, Mayapur

Parliament, similarly, these churches approve: Yes, homosex is all right. Then it is all right. This cheating system is going on. Similar cheating system is the Hindus also. You

http://causelessmercy.com/t/t/750402mw.may.htm

23. Causelessmercy - Morning Walk - May 9, 1975, Perth

Now they are indulging homosex, how they will become strong? And the students, they are discussing, that means they are having. The stamina is being lost. Now what they have

http://causelessmercy.com/t/t/750509mw.per.htm

24. Causelessmercy - Morning Walk - June 11, 1976, Los Angeles

They are sanctioning homosex, sanctioning abortion. They ve lost, Christianity and all . (japa) This is Beverly Hills? No. Rancho Park.Rāmeśvara: This is nearby. [break] Today,

http://causelessmercy.com/t/t/760611mw.la.htm

25. Causelessmercy - Talk with Bob Cohen - February 27, 1972 (contd. on February 28...

It has criticized, one priest has allowed the marriage between man to man, homosex. So these things are going on. They take it purely for prostitution. That s all. So therefore

http://causelessmercy.com/t/t/720227ta.may.htm

26. Causelessmercy - Morning Walk - May 28, 1975, Honolulu

They re supporting everything, homosex, everything, man to man marriage.Bali-mardana: Now they are making women the priests.Prabhupāda: Women priest. Women priest, there was none

http://causelessmercy.com/t/t/750528mw.hon.htm

27. Causelessmercy - Morning Walk - December 10, 1975, Vrndavana

Nowadays, of course, they are thinking like that, that man should remain independent, and they ll have homosex, and the woman also independent and they will make some This is most

http://causelessmercy.com/t/t/751210mw.vrn.htm

28. Causelessmercy - Morning Walk - May 18, 1975, Perth

There are so many scientists, philosophers, now everywhere. And they are discussing on sex philosophy, homosex philosophy, Darwin s theory. All third class, fourth class, they are

http://causelessmercy.com/t/t/750518mw.per.htm

29. Causelessmercy - Morning Walk - May 21, 1975, Melbourne

Now they are coming to the platform of homosex. This is their advancement, spiritual advancement. Yoṣitāṁ saṅgi-saṅgam. This is Coca-cola, everywhere. [break] mukti,

http://causelessmercy.com/t/t/750521mw.mel.htm

30. Causelessmercy - The Evolutionists: Thomas Huxley, Henri Bergson, and Samuel...

Your browser does not support scripts. ... Progress means you go, go.. Gamati iti gatiḥ, or progress.. You go, go, go.. So when you come to this śloka ... Vedas it is said, oṁ

http://causelessmercy.com/t/t/EVOLUTIONISTS.SYA.htm

RadheyRadhey108 · May 3, 2008

There're of course lots of opinions and suggestions and actualy when I would presenting my own opinion it would be certainly something like you say, live and let live. Since spirituality defined according the vedas is to follow the current acarya, in this case the first and most important sampradaya in this universe, the brahma-madhva-gaudiya sampradaya, Srila Prabhupada - he made enough comments to give us the right understanding.

1. Causelessmercy - Room Conversation with Director of Research of the Dept. of...

And they are advocating homosex. So where is ... priestly class, sanctioning homosex.Director: Pardon?Prabhupāda: ... are discussing about homosex, in favor of homosex. So where is

http://causelessmercy.com/t/t/750521rc.mel.htm



2. Causelessmercy - Room Conversation - August 25, 1971, London

The sense gratification, homosex, they are supporting. Just see. Just see ... least, in animal society there is no homosex. They have created homosex, and that is being passed by the

http://causelessmercy.com/t/t/710825rc.lon.htm



3. Causelessmercy - Morning Walk - May 11, 1975, Perth

Just like yesterday you told me the students are talking about homosex. That means tamo- ... are discussing about homosex. That means tamo- ... to fulfill, by homosex or sex with

http://causelessmercy.com/t/t/750511mw.per.htm



4. Causelessmercy - Conversation with the GBC - Los Angeles, May 25, 1972, (new98)

Now the priestly order supporting homosex. I was surprised. They are ... still, if there somebody hears about homosex (makes sound of breathing out). Homosex is there but nobody will

http://causelessmercy.com/t/t/720525RC.LA.htm



5. Causelessmercy - Morning Room Conversation - February 16, 1977, Mayapur

The priests are doing all rascal nonsense. Homosex.Prabhupāda: They ... Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: And homosex.Prabhupāda: Homosex, what is that ... passing to homosex, religion. They

http://causelessmercy.com/t/t/770216rc.may.htm



6. Causelessmercy - Morning Walk - July 16, 1975, San Francisco

the hogs and monkeys having homosex relationships, so ... because the dogs have homosex, therefore the man should have ?Bahulāśva: Should have homosex.Dharmādhyakṣa: Yes, if an

http://causelessmercy.com/t/t/750716mw.sf.htm



7. Causelessmercy - Room Conversation - January 27, 1977, Puri

Their only improvement now is abortion and homosex. That is the most ... their children to the homosex dance, the parents, and ... Yes, go and have homosex dancing if such parents

http://causelessmercy.com/t/t/770127rc.pur.htm



8. Causelessmercy - Room Conversation Varnasrama July 14, 1977, Vrndavana

Ginsberg s movement is that, homosex, public sex. Ginsberg was ... that he had introduced homosex. He was telling me. ... proud: I have introduced homosex. He thought very brilliant

http://causelessmercy.com/t/t/770714rc.vrn.htm



9. Causelessmercy - Morning Walk - May 13, 1975, Perth

They want sex enjoyment to the best capacity homosex, this sex, that sex, ... passing, Yes, you can have homosex with man. They are getting ... to man and accepting homosex, so what is the

http://causelessmercy.com/t/t/750513mw.per.htm



10. Causelessmercy - Arrival - Chicago, July 3, 1975

That will be there. Impotency. This homosex is also another sign ... bother. It is sense enjoyment, homosex. Progeny, they don t want ... another sex impulse in homosex. This is the psychology

http://causelessmercy.com/t/t/750703AR.CHI.htm

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</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>11. Causelessmercy - Morning Walk - September 6, 1975, Vrndavana

This is going on. This homosex propaganda is another side of impotency. So ... make that more and more accepted in America, homosex.Prabhupāda: Yes. The churches accept. It is already

http://causelessmercy.com/t/t/750906mw.vrn.htm



12. Causelessmercy - Morning Walk - May 14, 1975, Perth

They are discussing in the university homosex. They are advanced. Advancement ... about the profit of homosex. Where is first-class ... Amogha: They say that homosex keeps the balance of

http://causelessmercy.com/t/t/750514mw.per.htm



13. Causelessmercy - Morning Walk - December 8, 1973, Los Angeles

When they are sanctioning abortion, homosex, now they are ... traditional Christians condemn homosex and abortion. A ... they condemn abortion and homosex.Prabhupāda: Yes, they are

http://causelessmercy.com/t/t/731208mw.la.htm



14. Causelessmercy - Room Conversation - January 8, 1976, Nellore

Now this homosex they are sanctioning, man-to-man marriage. ... Prabhupāda: Hm?Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Now they have churches for homosex. That means the priest is a homosexual, and the

http://causelessmercy.com/t/t/760108rc.nel.htm



15. Causelessmercy - Conversation: Vairagya, Salaries, and Political Etiquette...

They are having homosex. They are encouraging homosex, giving man-to-man marriage. You know that? This is going on. Doing everything nonsense.Girirāja: Actually their leader

http://causelessmercy.com/t/t/770428rc.bom.htm



16. Causelessmercy - Room Conversation - June 18, 1976, Toronto

Vāsudeva, it was known fact that he was homosex?Prabhupāda: Yes.Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Vāsudeva.Prabhupāda: He was homosex and sex, everything.Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Here,

http://causelessmercy.com/t/t/760618rc.tor.htm



17. Causelessmercy - Sunday Feast Lecture - Los Angeles, May 21, 1972

A person on religious category, he s advocating something, oh, it is not to be uttered. Homosex. You see? He s advocating homosex. Just see. These has been topsy-turvied. The four

http://causelessmercy.com/t/t/720521LE.LA.htm



18. Causelessmercy - Morning Walk Conversation - Los Angeles, September 28, 1972...

Either they re leaving or they re marrying man to man.Prabhupāda: Homosex. They are supporting homosex. So degraded, and still they say, What we have done? They do not know what

http://causelessmercy.com/t/t/720928MW.LA.htm



19. Causelessmercy - Morning Walk - June 17, 1976, Toronto

Even the so-called priests, they are also fourth-class, fifth-class men. Indulging in homosex.Satsvarūpa: This priest who joined us, who s now your man, he said that although he

http://causelessmercy.com/t/t/760617mw.tor.htm



20. Causelessmercy - Morning Walk - April 8, 1976, Mayapur

The persons from the ecclesiastical order, they are also so polluted, they are sanctioning homosex, abortion. What can be done for the common man?Madhudviṣa: I was reading in

http://causelessmercy.com/t/t/760408mw.vrn.htm

21. Causelessmercy - Morning Walk - June 6, 1976, Los Angeles

Yes, they re supporting homosex. So when the priests are sinful, the public is sinful, how the church will go on? Churches, they are expecting church must support abortion and

http://causelessmercy.com/t/t/760606mw.la.htm



22. Causelessmercy - Morning Walk - April 2, 1975, Mayapur

Parliament, similarly, these churches approve: Yes, homosex is all right. Then it is all right. This cheating system is going on. Similar cheating system is the Hindus also. You

http://causelessmercy.com/t/t/750402mw.may.htm



23. Causelessmercy - Morning Walk - May 9, 1975, Perth

Now they are indulging homosex, how they will become strong? And the students, they are discussing, that means they are having. The stamina is being lost. Now what they have

http://causelessmercy.com/t/t/750509mw.per.htm



24. Causelessmercy - Morning Walk - June 11, 1976, Los Angeles

They are sanctioning homosex, sanctioning abortion. They ve lost, Christianity and all . (japa) This is Beverly Hills? No. Rancho Park.Rāmeśvara: This is nearby. [break] Today,

http://causelessmercy.com/t/t/760611mw.la.htm



25. Causelessmercy - Talk with Bob Cohen - February 27, 1972 (contd. on February 28...

It has criticized, one priest has allowed the marriage between man to man, homosex. So these things are going on. They take it purely for prostitution. That s all. So therefore

http://causelessmercy.com/t/t/720227ta.may.htm



26. Causelessmercy - Morning Walk - May 28, 1975, Honolulu

They re supporting everything, homosex, everything, man to man marriage.Bali-mardana: Now they are making women the priests.Prabhupāda: Women priest. Women priest, there was none

http://causelessmercy.com/t/t/750528mw.hon.htm



27. Causelessmercy - Morning Walk - December 10, 1975, Vrndavana

Nowadays, of course, they are thinking like that, that man should remain independent, and they ll have homosex, and the woman also independent and they will make some This is most

http://causelessmercy.com/t/t/751210mw.vrn.htm



28. Causelessmercy - Morning Walk - May 18, 1975, Perth

There are so many scientists, philosophers, now everywhere. And they are discussing on sex philosophy, homosex philosophy, Darwin s theory. All third class, fourth class, they are

http://causelessmercy.com/t/t/750518mw.per.htm



29. Causelessmercy - Morning Walk - May 21, 1975, Melbourne

Now they are coming to the platform of homosex. This is their advancement, spiritual advancement. Yoṣitāṁ saṅgi-saṅgam. This is Coca-cola, everywhere. [break] mukti,

http://causelessmercy.com/t/t/750521mw.mel.htm



30. Causelessmercy - The Evolutionists: Thomas Huxley, Henri Bergson, and Samuel...

Your browser does not support scripts. ... Progress means you go, go.. Gamati iti gatiḥ, or progress.. You go, go, go.. So when you come to this śloka ... Vedas it is said, oṁ

http://causelessmercy.com/t/t/EVOLUTIONISTS.SYA.htm

Can you give me a quote from the Srimad Bhagavata Purana, the Bhagavad Gita, or the Upanishads that defines homosexuality as sinful? I like many of Srila Prabhupada's teachings, but I must say that I don't agree with all of them. So, just quoting Bhaktivedanta Swami isn't getting it for me. Sorry. I'd rather have actual evidence for why he believes this way, rather than, "Oh, Srila Prabhupada said this, so I have to believe it." I would appreciate it if you could give me a quote from scripture on the issue. Thanks.

indulekhadasi · May 3, 2008

Hare Krishna Radhe,

Sexual intercourse only meant for satisfying the genitals is considered illicit sex. The purpose of sexual union is to produce Krishna conscious children. In fact the sastras say not to become a father or mother, if you will not educate them on the true meaning of life.

In this case, homosexuals are not going to produce children and instruct them on the meaning of life and therefore they are participating in illicit sex.

I do agree however, that this isn't the top thing on our mind.

I hope this clears up things a bit.

Pls forgive me if I sound too stuck up.

RadheyRadhey108 · May 3, 2008

Hare Krishna Radhe,

Sexual intercourse only meant for satisfying the genitals is considered illicit sex. The purpose of sexual union is to produce Krishna conscious children. In fact the sastras say not to become a father or mother, if you will not educate them on the true meaning of life.

In this case, homosexuals are not going to produce children and instruct them on the meaning of life and therefore they are participating in illicit sex.

In a perfect world, this would be the case. But, we don't live in a perfect world, and these people do have to live with these desires that they are discriminated against for fulfilling. I feel sorry for them. Many of them are discriminated against horribly, and I can't imagine what that would be like. Also, this is a religous belief, so I don't think a secular government should have to take it into consideration when deciding on recognizing gay unions or not(since it's not something that's hurting people outside of the relationship).

I do agree however, that this isn't the top thing on our mind.

At least we can agree on that. Some people have attacked me for my posts on this thread on other threads that have nothing to do with this issue :rolleyes:

I hope this clears up things a bit.
Pls forgive me if I sound too stuck up.

You don't sound stuck up, you're just stating your beliefs, and I'm just stating mine.

Radhey Radhey!

indulekhadasi · May 3, 2008

Lets PM now and talk about something better.

I will reply to you soon.

RadheyRadhey108 · May 3, 2008

Sounds good to me

suchandra · May 3, 2008

Can you give me a quote from the Srimad Bhagavata Purana, the Bhagavad Gita, or the Upanishads that defines homosexuality as sinful? I like many of Srila Prabhupada's teachings, but I must say that I don't agree with all of them. So, just quoting Bhaktivedanta Swami isn't getting it for me. Sorry. I'd rather have actual evidence for why he believes this way, rather than, "Oh, Srila Prabhupada said this, so I have to believe it." I would appreciate it if you could give me a quote from scripture on the issue. Thanks.

Could be that Prabhupada would have dealt with it differently today 2008, altough he wouldnt have changed that it is tamasic bondage.

At that time it was something new and no one knew that it would become an epidemic and today millions have come out gay and lesbian. Around 1967 when the hippie movement started, the hippies were not gay. So when they also started the gay movement at the beginning, there were lots of people who immediately agreed when Prabhupada said it is perverted lust, something which cannot be changed into sattvic character and without becoming situated in sattva-guna, goodness, you cannot become situated on the spiritual platform of bhakti-yoga. In fact the hippies didn't like the gays. Hippies were more focused on natural living and they agreed when Prabhupada said it is not how nature made us. But as the age of kali proceeds people cannot understand it. And as Srimad-Bhagavatam predicts at the end of this age people will be so degraded that there will be no more Vaishnavas on this planet. And they will argue the same way, "why do you see anything wrong with this?"

SB 12.2.18: Lord Kalki will appear in the home of the most eminent brahmana of Asambhala village, the great soul Visnuyasa.

SB 12.2.19-20: Lord Kalki, the Lord of the universe, will mount His swift horse Devadatta and, sword in hand, travel over the earth exhibiting His eight mystic opulences and eight special qualities of Godhead. Displaying His unequaled effulgence and riding with great speed, He will kill by the millions those thieves who have dared dress as kings.

SB 12.2.21: After all the impostor kings have been killed, the residents of the cities and towns will feel the breezes carrying the most sacred fragrance of the sandalwood paste and other decorations of Lord Vasudeva, and their minds will thereby become transcendentally pure.

SB 12.2.22: When Lord Vasudeva, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, appears in their hearts in His transcendental form of goodness, the remaining citizens will abundantly repopulate the earth.

SB 12.2.23: When the Supreme Lord has appeared on earth as Kalki, the maintainer of religion, Satya-yuga will begin, and human society will bring forth progeny in the mode of goodness.

SB 12.2.24: When the moon, the sun and Brhaspati are together in the constellation Karkata, and all three enter simultaneously into the lunar mansion Pusya at that exact moment the age of Satya, or Krta, will begin.

rand0M aXiS · May 3, 2008

BUENOS AIRES, May 1, 2008 - The eminent Spanish psychiatrist Enrique Rojas gave a speech yesterday in Buenos Aires declaring that homosexuality is "a clinical process that has an etiology, pathogeny, treatment, and cure".

Speaking at the Buenos Aires International Book Fair about his book "Goodbye, Depression", Rojas characterized homosexual orientation as a "disorder" rather than an illness, and stated his opinion that 95% of cases are caused by environmental factors, according to the Spanish news service Terra.

The disorder, according to Rojas, is the result of an absent father, overweening mother, or sexual abuse in childhood.

Rojas blasted the homosexual movement for promoting the development of homosexual tendencies in young people, and particularly condemned the practice of allowing homosexual couples to adopt children.

The child is deprived of a right to grow up "in a normal environment, heterosexual, which is the standard" he said. "Heterosexuality is what is normal, the natural condition of human beings."

According to studies from the United States, Canada, and New Zealand, there is a 70-80 percent chance that a child adopted by homosexuals will develop the same tendencies, Rojas said.

Rojas is the author of various books on psychology, including "Who Are You?", "The Light Man" and "Remedies for Coldness".

theist · May 3, 2008

Can you give me a quote from the Srimad Bhagavata Purana, the Bhagavad Gita, or the Upanishads that defines homosexuality as sinful? I like many of Srila Prabhupada's teachings, but I must say that I don't agree with all of them. So, just quoting Bhaktivedanta Swami isn't getting it for me. Sorry. I'd rather have actual evidence for why he believes this way, rather than, "Oh, Srila Prabhupada said this, so I have to believe it." I would appreciate it if you could give me a quote from scripture on the issue. Thanks.

Lord Brahmä, approaching the Lord, addressed Him thus: My Lord, please protect me from these sinful demons, who were created by me under Your order. They are infuriated by an appetite for sex and have come to attack me.
PURPORT

It appears here that the homosexual appetite of males for each other is created in this episode of the creation of the demons by Brahmä. In other words, the homosexual appetite of a man for another man is demoniac and is not for any sane male in the ordinary course of life.

SB 3.20.26

Reread the surrounding verses for context.

That said there is no prohibition against homosexuals chanting Hare Krishna. Everyone comes to Krishna consciousness tainted or even covered by sin. However sinful acts are never to be seen as anything other than sinful acts.

suchandra · May 3, 2008

BUENOS AIRES, May 1, 2008 - The eminent Spanish psychiatrist Enrique Rojas gave a speech yesterday in Buenos Aires declaring that homosexuality is "a clinical process that has an etiology, pathogeny, treatment, and cure".

Speaking at the Buenos Aires International Book Fair about his book "Goodbye, Depression", Rojas characterized homosexual orientation as a "disorder" rather than an illness, and stated his opinion that 95% of cases are caused by environmental factors, according to the Spanish news service Terra.

The disorder, according to Rojas, is the result of an absent father, overweening mother, or sexual abuse in childhood.

Rojas blasted the homosexual movement for promoting the development of homosexual tendencies in young people, and particularly condemned the practice of allowing homosexual couples to adopt children.

The child is deprived of a right to grow up "in a normal environment, heterosexual, which is the standard" he said. "Heterosexuality is what is normal, the natural condition of human beings."

According to studies from the United States, Canada, and New Zealand, there is a 70-80 percent chance that a child adopted by homosexuals will develop the same tendencies, Rojas said.

Rojas is the author of various books on psychology, including "Who Are You?", "The Light Man" and "Remedies for Coldness".

Good points by Rojas and thanks Theist, for quoting SB 3.20.26, looks like there's nothing new, everything started as soon in this universe the lights went on.

Thursday, December 21, 1967 San Francisco, Calif.

My Dear Brahmananda,

Please accept my blessings. Your handwritten letter of 12.18.67 is a great pleasure. Your handwritten letter is more valuable than type written. Regarding Damodara's plight, we are very sorry but we must always expect that some of the weak soldiers may fall down in a fight waged against the great Maya external energy of Krishna.

The sex attraction is very great in the material world. But in the spiritual world it is different. From Srimad-Bhagavatam we know that the opposite sex namely the female members of Vaikuntha are many many times more beautiful than they are in the heavenly planets. Their hips and attractive smiles cannot stimulate sex urge passion of the man or male devotees. In the Vaikuntha planets the opulence is very great and yet they are all engaged in the transcendental loving service of the Lord.

It is very difficult to conquer over the influence of Maya, but who firmly fixed up in Krishna Conciousness cannot be a victim of Maya. Anyway, we cannot stop our fighting with Maya, neither we can expect that all our soldiers will remain unhurt. You know Arjuna's son Abhimanyu was killed in the battle in which Bhismadeva was a party. Fight Krishna's cause sincerely and you will be gloried with victory.

RadheyRadhey108 · May 3, 2008

Could be that Prabhupada would have dealt with it differently today 2008, altough he wouldnt have changed that it is tamasic bondage.
At that time it was something new and no one knew that it would become an epidemic and today millions have come out gay and lesbian. Around 1967 when the hippie movement started, the hippies were not gay. So when they also started the gay movement at the beginning, there were lots of people who immediately agreed when Prabhupada said it is perverted lust, something which cannot be changed into sattvic character and without becoming situated in sattva-guna, goodness, you cannot become situated on the spiritual platform of bhakti-yoga. In fact the hippies didn't like the gays. Hippies were more focused on natural living and they agreed when Prabhupada said it is not how nature made us. But as the age of kali proceeds people cannot understand it. And as Srimad-Bhagavatam predicts at the end of this age people will be so degraded that there will be no more Vaishnavas on this planet. And they will argue the same way, "why do you see anything wrong with this?"

SB 12.2.18: Lord Kalki will appear in the home of the most eminent brahmana of Asambhala village, the great soul Visnuyasa.

SB 12.2.19-20: Lord Kalki, the Lord of the universe, will mount His swift horse Devadatta and, sword in hand, travel over the earth exhibiting His eight mystic opulences and eight special qualities of Godhead. Displaying His unequaled effulgence and riding with great speed, He will kill by the millions those thieves who have dared dress as kings.

SB 12.2.21: After all the impostor kings have been killed, the residents of the cities and towns will feel the breezes carrying the most sacred fragrance of the sandalwood paste and other decorations of Lord Vasudeva, and their minds will thereby become transcendentally pure.

SB 12.2.22: When Lord Vasudeva, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, appears in their hearts in His transcendental form of goodness, the remaining citizens will abundantly repopulate the earth.

SB 12.2.23: When the Supreme Lord has appeared on earth as Kalki, the maintainer of religion, Satya-yuga will begin, and human society will bring forth progeny in the mode of goodness.

SB 12.2.24: When the moon, the sun and Brhaspati are together in the constellation Karkata, and all three enter simultaneously into the lunar mansion Pusya at that exact moment the age of Satya, or Krta, will begin.

Didn't see any reference to homosexuality in the verse you quoted.

RadheyRadhey108 · May 3, 2008

BUENOS AIRES, May 1, 2008 - The eminent Spanish psychiatrist Enrique Rojas gave a speech yesterday in Buenos Aires declaring that homosexuality is "a clinical process that has an etiology, pathogeny, treatment, and cure".

Speaking at the Buenos Aires International Book Fair about his book "Goodbye, Depression", Rojas characterized homosexual orientation as a "disorder" rather than an illness, and stated his opinion that 95% of cases are caused by environmental factors, according to the Spanish news service Terra.

The disorder, according to Rojas, is the result of an absent father, overweening mother, or sexual abuse in childhood.

Rojas blasted the homosexual movement for promoting the development of homosexual tendencies in young people, and particularly condemned the practice of allowing homosexual couples to adopt children.

The child is deprived of a right to grow up "in a normal environment, heterosexual, which is the standard" he said. "Heterosexuality is what is normal, the natural condition of human beings."

According to studies from the United States, Canada, and New Zealand, there is a 70-80 percent chance that a child adopted by homosexuals will develop the same tendencies, Rojas said.

Rojas is the author of various books on psychology, including "Who Are You?", "The Light Man" and "Remedies for Coldness".

Homophobia and pseudo-science at it's worst. :rolleyes:

RadheyRadhey108 · May 3, 2008

Reread the surrounding verses for context.

That said there is no prohibition against homosexuals chanting Hare Krishna. Everyone comes to Krishna consciousness tainted or even covered by sin. However sinful acts are never to be seen as anything other than sinful acts.

There's a huge difference between homosexual rape and mutual intercourse between homosexuals.

rand0M aXiS · May 3, 2008

That said there is no prohibition against homosexuals chanting Hare Krishna. Everyone comes to Krishna consciousness tainted or even covered by sin. However sinful acts are never to be seen as anything other than sinful acts.

Very well said.

I don't have a problem with adult homosexuals doing whatever they do in the privacy of their homes. I have a problem with the militant homos who want to shove their perversions in the public's face and who want straight folks to accept their perversions as normal and healthy. Then they go into grade school and teach second and third graders that "Billy has two Daddies" bakwas, etc.

And don't even get me started on the GALVA crowd..... :mad2:

rand0M aXiS · May 3, 2008

article entitled Homosexuality & Spirituality.

RadheyRadhey108 · May 4, 2008

article entitled Homosexuality & Spirituality.

Sounds like a bunch of double talk to me: "No, you're not the body, but it's sinful for you to want to be intimate with someone who's also not their body and that happens to have the same body part (genital organ) as you."

RadheyRadhey108 · May 4, 2008

I just thought of something. Many of you object to homosexuality in that it doesn't produce children and just increases desire, but what do you think of infertile couples? And what about couples after the woman has gone through menopause? Should they not be able to express their love for each other either?

AncientMariner · May 4, 2008

I personally think anyone who has sex and does not beget children within 9 months should immediately be arrested. I kid, I kid. Like I always say, whatever floats your boat. I have come to the conclusion that gay marriage is gonna be a reality whether spiritual minded people like it or not so the best thing I can do is hope the best for people of all kinds of sexual orientations etc.

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