oh, Bama

[Amlesh]

Everyone is responsible for his own situation.

 

Barak needs to do his duty armed with Truth,

Barak's lost brother should do his duty armed with Truth.

 

If Barak has intention to enjoy when in power; there'll be a price to pay afterwards.

 

Real Compassion is when someone does not see his own brother as the only brother, but universal brotherhood.

 

I don't know what kind of relationship both brothers share, but if he does not respect his own brother; then he is far from universal brotherhood, hence far from compassion.

[mahak]

nothing to do with anything. Family means those you are with, not some biological illusion, because by biology, there is only 6 degrees of separation that relates all humanity for all time. "Family members" is not a phrase that is defined by lost or irresponsible cells cast here and there. Of course, the fanatics who see everything in others closets while their own lives are full of skeletons will make great disturbance by having these things aired, and stupid fanatics who cant have a thought of their own will blindly follow. Like the anti-abortionist simpleton, one-issue person, who votes for a guy who espouses similar views, yet has caused so much suffering in the world, so much misery to mothers and children.

 

I remember supporting the Reverand Billy Graham when he was severely criticized for his $600 suits (this was in 1970, such a suit would be $10,000 today). I said, "what shoud he wear? levis and a t-shirt? When he sits in the oval office, or meets with the pope? Or consults with world leaders?

 

Obama's expensive house is just a home. Where would you have him live? Jerry Brown was criticized for living in a simople apartment, driving a beater around Sacramento while he was California's governor. By the same types. So, it doesnt matter, these non-issues that have nothing to do with governing, policies, who is delegated to handle the crushing problems of the federal executive branch of government. How much are Mc Cains seven homes worth? Whatever happened to his first wife whom he abandoned after she became ill, to marry his trophy beer-heiress? And, BTW, where are the right wing devotees noting the way he has become rich, by intoxicating the youth of america, the abortion of teen aged drunk drivers caused by his wife's occupation.

 

I mention these things not to criticize McCain, because I have no criticism against him for non-issues. I criticize his for real issues like his desire to have a major war with russia, with Iran, with anyone, because he is a simpleton who is controlled by the corporate elitists who want genocide to save the earth, just like bush. Bush is a genuine nice guy, but he has no intelligence, cannot even formulate a paragraph of his own creation. Ad he has not governed at all. Is this what we want, a president who cannot govern, can only be affible in the face of the horrific disasters on our doorstep, a puppet in the hands of the BFSkinner and their ilk.

 

This is why I call fraud against the GOP and their anti-abortion stance. It is pandering, meaning there is absolutely no sincerity in it. Just like their "support the troops" garbage. Show me one single veterans benefit that McCain has supported? Show me one ounce of support Bush has had for any military person, serving or retired. Show me any benefit supported for a single mother who decides to keep her unborn baby. It is the most blatent hypocracy, and is eaten in great quantities by the amerikkkan electorate.

 

I vote for obama because he has ideas to rekindle americas lost ideals. McCain will take away what is left in the embers of the constitution, and the only jobs will be that of a prison guard or a soldier in a genocidal war.

 

But the only thing heard over the next three months will be more and more non-issues that are spewed by the gurus like hannaty, limbaugh and their alcoholic perverted ilk.

 

mahaksadasa

[AncientMariner]

 

Muhammed ali hung with malcolm x, was not all that involved with elijah muhammed. Farakkhan was louis x, and he may have been the one who had malcolm x assassinated, because malcolm x rebelled against the racist philosophy of elijah muhammed. Old news, but I sure hope you arent calling malcolm x a goof ball, because he, even more than MLK, had the answers. I suggest you read his autobiography by alex haley, or even see the movie starring denzell washington.

 

Religion is the worst thing about american politics because the kind of religion espoused is not that which srila prabhupada defines as real religion, surrender to the Supreme Person. The religion of american politics is that which Krsna tells arjuna to abandon all varieties of.

 

Just like abortion. Why is this dead issue that which defines one who wishes to be president? No one running has performed one, no one running has had one (except maybe hillary, and bill probably paid for a few). Its like the gun issue. Most think the GOP is all for gun rights, when in actuality, the GOP will be the first to cause all to give them up.

 

You are right AM, though, politics is merely entertainment.

 

Hare krsna, ys, mahaksadasa

 

Didn't mean any disrespect to Malcolm X. From what I know of him he was a respectable and conscientious practicioner of Islam.

 

In regard to the abortion issue I have to agree with you on some level. I have come to the conclusion although abortion is disgusting I am not convinced that you can legislate and arrest people for having abortions so what is the point in turning it into a big political issue all the time. If a civilization doesn't have enough common sense to figure out that abortion especially just as birth control is just wrong then I figure that civilization is eventually gonna get its butt kicked by material nature in some way or another.

[AncientMariner]

 

nothing to do with anything. Family means those you are with, not some biological illusion, because by biology, there is only 6 degrees of separation that relates all humanity for all time. "Family members" is not a phrase that is defined by lost or irresponsible cells cast here and there. Of course, the fanatics who see everything in others closets while their own lives are full of skeletons will make great disturbance by having these things aired, and stupid fanatics who cant have a thought of their own will blindly follow. Like the anti-abortionist simpleton, one-issue person, who votes for a guy who espouses similar views, yet has caused so much suffering in the world, so much misery to mothers and children.

 

I remember supporting the Reverand Billy Graham when he was severely criticized for his $600 suits (this was in 1970, such a suit would be $10,000 today). I said, "what shoud he wear? levis and a t-shirt? When he sits in the oval office, or meets with the pope? Or consults with world leaders?

 

Obama's expensive house is just a home. Where would you have him live? Jerry Brown was criticized for living in a simople apartment, driving a beater around Sacramento while he was California's governor. By the same types. So, it doesnt matter, these non-issues that have nothing to do with governing, policies, who is delegated to handle the crushing problems of the federal executive branch of government. How much are Mc Cains seven homes worth? Whatever happened to his first wife whom he abandoned after she became ill, to marry his trophy beer-heiress? And, BTW, where are the right wing devotees noting the way he has become rich, by intoxicating the youth of america, the abortion of teen aged drunk drivers caused by his wife's occupation.

 

I mention these things not to criticize McCain, because I have no criticism against him for non-issues. I criticize his for real issues like his desire to have a major war with russia, with Iran, with anyone, because he is a simpleton who is controlled by the corporate elitists who want genocide to save the earth, just like bush. Bush is a genuine nice guy, but he has no intelligence, cannot even formulate a paragraph of his own creation. Ad he has not governed at all. Is this what we want, a president who cannot govern, can only be affible in the face of the horrific disasters on our doorstep, a puppet in the hands of the BFSkinner and their ilk.

 

This is why I call fraud against the GOP and their anti-abortion stance. It is pandering, meaning there is absolutely no sincerity in it. Just like their "support the troops" garbage. Show me one single veterans benefit that McCain has supported? Show me one ounce of support Bush has had for any military person, serving or retired. Show me any benefit supported for a single mother who decides to keep her unborn baby. It is the most blatent hypocracy, and is eaten in great quantities by the amerikkkan electorate.

 

I vote for obama because he has ideas to rekindle americas lost ideals. McCain will take away what is left in the embers of the constitution, and the only jobs will be that of a prison guard or a soldier in a genocidal war.

 

But the only thing heard over the next three months will be more and more non-issues that are spewed by the gurus like hannaty, limbaugh and their alcoholic perverted ilk.

 

mahaksadasa

 

 

 

 

I like your thoughts about Obama but I am not convinced the guy really gets it. He claims to offer hope but he appears to be just another puppet of the leftist socialist agenda that is really in opposition to the spiritual communism that Prabhupada spoke of. If you even talk about abortion or the global warming or various other issues with these leftists when they are in power they immediately black ball you and the whole idea of community becomes exclusive only to leftists that believe in global warming and abortion etc and so on and so forth. In other words you have to drink their kool aid completely or you are kicked out and ostrasized from the community just for not thinking exactly like they do.

 

Here is to hoping that somehow Americas lost ideals resurface in some form eventually but who knows for sure.

[mahak]

me, too, AM. I always say abortion is a dead issue, not to be cruel, but because the debate has absolutely no meaning. THE GOP proudly stands with pro-life movement, but they also proudly stand with the pharmaceutical companies, who are completely on board with the cannibalistic research that involves using fetal matter to provide juice to keep rich old folks alive despite their suicidal abuse of drugs, meat, their laziness, their scorn of wholistic medicine, etc. The GOP cannot say pro-life without answering for the wholesale practice of genocide, beginning almost immediately after WWII. In fact, their anti-abortion stance is not valid anyway because they could care less about inner city abortion, abortion of illegal aliens who may otherwise give birth on American soil, thus affording citizenship. They either have to adopt a quaker-like PRO-LIFE stand, or just keep quiet about it.

 

Pro-choice is not necessarily pro-abortion. In fact, a liberal platform creates a system where the choice happens to be life. In a household where there is good education, living wage jobs, equal protection regardless of external circumstance, the choice is life. Statistics back me up on this as well, as I have much experiance working with pro-life groups who kept track of such real-time stats. During Reagan and Bush the first, abortion skyrocketed. Roe v. Wade was enacted during Nixon. Abortion declined during Carter, and the eight years of Clinton as well, only to grow again during the present regieme.

 

Same with national policy. The GOP likes to say Carter was a complete failure, but the Camp David Accord was his doing, and seeing Sadat and Begin shaking hands was a monumental event. Clinton had Arafat back downm, accords were reached, peace was possible, but all went south when the GOP was running the show.

 

Same with terrorism, the GOP says terrorism will happen under the Democrats, but who was president when 911 occurred? Who did not know what to do, oblivious to anything other than using bombs on nations whose only offence is hating the terrorists even more than we do. Saddam was a stalinist who hated all islamic jihad groups, hated al qaida, hated the wahabists from saudi, in fact, poured just as many scuds against the saudis than he did with Israel. But the GOP solution to terrorism is to let binladen off the hook when we had them all but defeated and go after a personal enemy of his stupid father, who also sucker-punched the stalinist saddam.

 

Now the xians are mad because Iraq was not armageddon, so they want russia, but russia is just protecting ethnic russians in georgia.

 

Oh well, haribol, good entertainment, eh?

 

mahak

[AncientMariner]

 

me, too, AM. I always say abortion is a dead issue, not to be cruel, but because the debate has absolutely no meaning. THE GOP proudly stands with pro-life movement, but they also proudly stand with the pharmaceutical companies, who are completely on board with the cannibalistic research that involves using fetal matter to provide juice to keep rich old folks alive despite their suicidal abuse of drugs, meat, their laziness, their scorn of wholistic medicine, etc. The GOP cannot say pro-life without answering for the wholesale practice of genocide, beginning almost immediately after WWII. In fact, their anti-abortion stance is not valid anyway because they could care less about inner city abortion, abortion of illegal aliens who may otherwise give birth on American soil, thus affording citizenship. They either have to adopt a quaker-like PRO-LIFE stand, or just keep quiet about it.

 

Pro-choice is not necessarily pro-abortion. In fact, a liberal platform creates a system where the choice happens to be life. In a household where there is good education, living wage jobs, equal protection regardless of external circumstance, the choice is life. Statistics back me up on this as well, as I have much experiance working with pro-life groups who kept track of such real-time stats. During Reagan and Bush the first, abortion skyrocketed. Roe v. Wade was enacted during Nixon. Abortion declined during Carter, and the eight years of Clinton as well, only to grow again during the present regieme.

 

Same with national policy. The GOP likes to say Carter was a complete failure, but the Camp David Accord was his doing, and seeing Sadat and Begin shaking hands was a monumental event. Clinton had Arafat back downm, accords were reached, peace was possible, but all went south when the GOP was running the show.

 

Same with terrorism, the GOP says terrorism will happen under the Democrats, but who was president when 911 occurred? Who did not know what to do, oblivious to anything other than using bombs on nations whose only offence is hating the terrorists even more than we do. Saddam was a stalinist who hated all islamic jihad groups, hated al qaida, hated the wahabists from saudi, in fact, poured just as many scuds against the saudis than he did with Israel. But the GOP solution to terrorism is to let binladen off the hook when we had them all but defeated and go after a personal enemy of his stupid father, who also sucker-punched the stalinist saddam.

 

Now the xians are mad because Iraq was not armageddon, so they want russia, but russia is just protecting ethnic russians in georgia.

 

Oh well, haribol, good entertainment, eh?

 

mahak

 

 

The way I look at it is like Shakespeare. Its all a divine tragicomedy. Even if people hate Bush and all that everything is happening exactly according to the way Krishna planned it all out. We are just riders on the storm just kicking back watching the whole thing unfold. You do what you can to help the good people of American and the good people of the Islamic nations and everywhere else but at the end of the day there is no reason to stress over anything because Krishna is gonna take care of us.

[AncientMariner]

 

In fact, a liberal platform creates a system where the choice happens to be life. In a household where there is good education, living wage jobs, equal protection regardless of external circumstance, the choice is life.

 

The only problem with your analyses is the liberal platform from a political standpoint is usually to tax people and businesses so much that the only entity that gets wealthy is the government and hence the family structure breaks down and that is similar to the scenario described as symptoms of the Kali_Yuga. If liberalism were as rosy as you portrait it people in general would be classified as conservatives because they would not cheat on their wives and leave their kids to go mate with other women and so on and so forth. In all fairness though there really is nowhere for conservative minded people to go in this day and age because even the Republicans are essentially really big liberals. I believe in an individuals right to work hard and accumulate massive amounts of wealth and then distribute charity as they see fit rather than the liberal notion of confiscating wealth from those that are productive and being forced to distibute that money to government entities that often don't even use that money to help the people they are intended for.

 

Another issue is the school voucher thing theist used to talk about. That is a travesty and you can bet there is no so called liberal that will allow people to quit paying taxes into our school system that is essentially a human slaughter house if you go by what Prabhupada described. So basically the government is forcing me to subsidize the spiritual slaughter of my fellow humans and you liberals don't care about that at all because everything is going to be all roses when your liberal buddies get in power. To me that is a slaughterhouse that far exceeds any of the slaughter in Iraq but you apparently don't care about that slaughter at all because Bush is evil and all liberals are good and civilization will turn into a spiritual golden age when everyone is a democrat.

[bhaktajan]

Biden Calls Ad Mocking McCain 'Terrible'

WASHINGTON (Sept. 23, 2008) - Barack Obama's running mate says a campaign ad that mocked Republican presidential candidate John McCain as an out-of-touch, out-of-date computer illiterate was "terrible" and would not have been done had he known about it.

Obama, McCain's Democratic rival, launched the ad earlier this month, part of an aggressive push to slow McCain's rise in the polls after he chose Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin to be his running mate.

It included unflattering footage of Sen. McCain at a hearing in the early '80s, wearing giant glasses and an out-of-style suit, interspersed with shots of a disco ball, a clunky phone, an outdated computer and a Rubik's Cube.

"He admits he still doesn't know how to use a computer, can't send an e-mail, still doesn't understand the economy, and favors $200 billion in new tax cuts for corporations, but almost nothing for the middle class," the ad says.

Asked about the negative tone of the campaign, and this ad in particular, during an interview broadcast Monday by the "CBS Evening News," Obama's running mate, Sen. Joe Biden, said he disapproved of it.

"I thought that was terrible, by the way," Biden said.

Asked why it was done, he said: "I didn't know we did it, and if I had anything to do with it, we'd have never done it."

Late Monday, Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton issued a statement from Biden. In it, Biden said he "was asked about an ad I'd never seen" and was "reacting merely to press reports."

Biden said that, as he said in the interview, there was nothing "intentionally personal" in the criticism of McCain's views.

"Having now reviewed the ad, it is even more clear to me that given the disgraceful tenor of Sen. McCain's ads and their persistent falsehoods, his campaign is in no position to criticize, especially when they continue to distort Barack's votes on an issue as personal as keeping kids safe from sexual predators," Biden said.

Biden was referring to a McCain ad that said Obama supported sex education for kindergartners, based on a bill he voted for as an <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:State w:st="on">Illinois</st1:State></st1:place> state senator.

Obama's campaign said the ad was a "shameful" distortion of his record because the bill's language meant young children would have been taught about sexual predators and concepts such as "good touch and bad touch."

[AncientMariner]

I have pretty much lost interest in the political race. It appears to me either way the President is pretty much a puppet or a figure head and that the New World Order is in control of things and has collapsed the US economy and now are trying to get the American public to pay for it on top of that. I think eventually God will intervene on some level especially if Americans can humble themselves a little and get back to a simpler life. God will rescue us from these demons eventually or that is my hope. I always figured this big ponzi scheme would come tumbling down but to see it finally manifest in reality is an extraordinary thing.

[bhaktajan]

the loses are a fraction of Gross GNP --the US Gov will buy out at low price and re-sell again for a profit.

 

JP Morgan also bailed out the market in 1929 crash.

 

I suspect that there was no cheating per se --I suspect that it was a real "numbers" fact of life shortage --requireing printing more cash.

 

Between each natural catasthrophy and the morgage crunch, inflation and war expenditures -- expenses simply over ran funds.

 

A scape goat of "Bad CFO/CEO managment" is more platable to the public than saying, "The Government/Financial Institutions" have no cash on hand to pay collossal loans to pay for so many services.

 

The Dow Jones Average hovered at 2,000 for 70 years --then with the world markets getting into the action --the Dow Jones Average has exceeded 11,000.

 

700 Billion is a fraction of the market place. This I heard from Bob Brinker [famed money market analyst]

[AncientMariner]

Ron Paul: Greenspan, Bernanke Should Be Criminally Charged

 

 

Paul Joseph Watson

Prison Planet

Friday, September 26, 2008

 

 

Congressman Ron Paul says that the bailout bill is likely to pass, heralding a 10-year plus economic depression for America and the potential for martial law should civil unrest arise as the financial meltdown worsens.

 

 

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“When they say that if we don’t do exactly as they say and turn over more of our money and more of our liberties and exempt themselves from any court in the whole nation, they’re trying to intimidate us and lead us into doing the wrong thing,” said Paul.

The Congressman added that serious problems would arise if nothing was done to address the problem, but that more serious consequences would follow should the bailout be passed.

 

 

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“It looks like from I see in Congress, that they’re opting for a decade plus of depression rather than saying let’s correct our ways, let’s balance the budget, let’s bring our troops home,” said Paul, adding that the same course of printing money would continue - prolonging the agony and preventing a necessary correction.

Asked if civil unrest was a possibility in the midst of an economic depression, referencing a recent Army Times report concerning the use of active duty military being brought back from Iraq for “Homeland patrols” and “crowd control,” Paul questioned, “Are we going to have martial law or are we going to have more freedoms? The more problems that we have, the more likely it is that we’re going to have martial law, so I do think they anticipate and they plan for these things.”

Asked if criminal investigations and prosecutions of individuals on Wall Street should commence, Paul agreed but said that the main target of criminal inquiry should be the Federal Reserve board itself because, “That’s where the fraud is.”

“They want to be lawless, they don’t want to be held accountable,” he added.

Paul said that grand juries should be convened to take on prosecutions rather than the FBI becoming involved, stating, “We have proper authority with that and experience with it and the Enron case is a good example.”

The Congressman said that Greenspan and Bernanke should be criminally charged but that such an effort would be largely symbolic. “Morally speaking, they’re the culprits,” said Paul.

Asked what his solution to the crisis would be, Paul said, “I think the most important thing to do is to send the message that we’re going to quit living beyond our means and the president can set the standard for that and he has the most control under the Constitution on foreign policy - he can say no more wars, we’re done with the wars, we’re not going to take on the Russians, we’re not going to take on people in Venezuela, we’re going to start talking to the Cubans and bring our troops home and save hundreds of billions of dollars - that would send a powerful message that the dollar would respond to and oil prices would come down.”

Paul said that Americans had to accept a new idea of government that harked back to what the founders envisaged and that the welfare state would have to unravel along with aspirations of building a geopolitical empire.

“In the meantime the policy ought to be - shrink the size of government, decrease regulation, work towards sound money, remove the authority of the Fed to create money out of thin air and get tax reduction,” stated the Congressman. Paul added that eliminating the income tax would mean everybody becoming a lot richer and more money would be ploughed into the economy.

“It will not solve the problem, it just delays the inevitable,” said Paul of the bailout, adding that he expects the bill to pass in a move that would, “Defy the American people.”

“I think they get to the point where they think they’re like God and can control everything and they don’t realize that the market really is more powerful than all the bankers and all the politicians….Ultimately the underground economy is the real economy and I think they could over step themselves and hopefully we could come out with a better world afterwards,” concluded the Congressman.

 

[AncientMariner]

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Bush doesn’t have the power to wipe his ass without permission. He is not the cause or the reason for this. He is a criminal just as the rest, but the real culprits are the JPMorgans, the Rockefellers, and the like. They make the rules, they say what is to be said, and they follow or their careers are through.

It’s the Federal Reserve System of Credit and Debt Money that caused this, and continues to cause this. And now, their system is about to collapse and they want you to pay the bill, so they can continue to fleece you.

If this bill somehow, not likely, doesn’t pass. It won’t take long for the economy to bottom out and crash. Then, the people will most likely not want a Central Bank and their game is done. Just as before 1913, when the other two Central Banks failed and were abolished. This bill only saves the Federal Reserve Systems members, not the American People.

Bush is a puppet, a rich wealthy criminal, but still a puppet nonetheless.

[AncientMariner]

Read this on a blog...

 

 

Listen my fine feathered friends, like the late George Carlin said, this is a club and we ain’t in it.

[AncientMariner]

Read this on a blog...

 

What will it take to make the American citizens wake up!!! The goverment is going to bail out these stupid SOB’s and the big wigs will end up taking none of the blame for there greed and sending all our jobs to overseas markets for the cheap out! Meanwhile there own countrymen sit in anguish and forecloser just because they wanted the american dream, that has now become a nightmare.

[AncientMariner]

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This is a sad day for this country and for the world with this utter disgrace and it’s getting very late in the game. We need to slay the beast that is the Federal Reserve before it rears its ugly head one last time and then is discarded into the dustbin of history, having fulfilled its abominable role of economic coercion. After that, any semblance of its existence that it has left will be irrelevant because all of the economic dictates will come from ‘on high’ in the form of whatever whim strikes the fancy of a dictator as a pathetic politburo, er, I mean congress looks passively on. No time to lose to try and save what little is left of the Republic. SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS!!!

[primate]

 

Read this on a blog...

 

This is a sad day for this country and for the world with this utter disgrace and it’s getting very late in the game. We need to slay the beast that is the Federal Reserve before it rears its ugly head one last time and then is discarded into the dustbin of history, having fulfilled its abominable role of economic coercion. After that, any semblance of its existence that it has left will be irrelevant because all of the economic dictates will come from ‘on high’ in the form of whatever whim strikes the fancy of a dictator as a pathetic politburo, er, I mean congress looks passively on. No time to lose to try and save what little is left of the Republic. SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS!!!

I guess one must simply have faith. 'World economy' may/will collapse sooner or later. There is no practical way to be prepared to a possible catastrophic event like that. And 'we all shine on'..

[suchandra]

 

Read this on a blog...

Bush doesn’t have the power to wipe his ass without permission.

People don't see it that way, rather if Bush officiates as president he's responsible for everything.

 

Bush rescues Wall Street but leaves his soldiers to die in Iraq

 

 

Robert Fisk – The Independent September 27, 2008

 

 

It was a weird week to be in the United States. On Tuesday, secretary of the treasury Henry Paulson told us that "this is all about the American taxpayer – that's all we care about". But when I flipped the page on my morning paper, I came across the latest gloomy statistic which Americans should care more about. "As of Wednesday evening, 4,162 US service members and 11 Defence Department civilians had been identified as having died in the Iraq war." By grotesque mischance, $700bn – the cost of George Bush's Wall Street rescue cash – is about the same figure as the same President has squandered on his preposterous war in Iraq, the war we have now apparently "won" thanks to the "surge" – for which, read "escalation" – in Baghdad. The fact that the fall in casualties coincides with the near-completion of the Shia ethnic cleansing of Sunni Muslims is not part of the story.

 

Indeed, a strange narrative is now being built into the daily history of America. First we won the war in Afghanistan by overthrowing the evil, terrorist-protecting misogynist Islamist crazies called the Taliban, setting up a democratic government under the exotically dressed Hamid Karzai. Then we rushed off to Iraq and overthrew the evil, terrorist-protecting, nuclear-weaponised, secular Baathist crazies under Saddam, setting up a democratic government under the pro-Iranian Shia Nouri al-Maliki. Mission accomplished. Then, after 250,000 Iraqi deaths – or half a million or a million, who cares? – we rushed back to Kabul and Kandahar to win the war all over again in Afghanistan. The conflict now embraces our old chums in Pakistan, the Saudi-financed, American-financed Interservices Intelligence Agency whose Taliban friends – now attacked by our brave troops inside Pakistani sovereign territory – again control half of Afghanistan.

 

We are, in fact, now fighting a war in what I call Irakistan. It's hopeless; it's a mess; it's shameful; it's unethical and it's unwinnable and no wonder the Wall Street meltdown was greeted with such relief by Messrs Obama and McCain. They couldn't suspend their campaigns to discuss the greatest military crisis in America's history since Vietnam – but for Wall Street, no problem. The American taxpayer – "that's all we care about". Mercifully for the presidential candidates, they don't have to debate the hell-disaster of Iraq any more, nor US-Israeli relations, nor Exxon or Chevron or BP-Mobil or Shell. George Bush's titanic if mythical battle between good and evil has transmogrified into the conflict between good taxpayers and evil bankers. Phew! No entanglement in the lives and deaths of the people of the Middle East. Until the elections – barring another 9/11 – they are yesterday's men and women.

 

But truth lurks in the strangest of airports. I'm chewing my way though a plate of spiced but heavy-boned chicken wings – final proof of why chickens can't fly – at John Wayne airport in Orange County (take a trip down the escalator and you can actually see a larger-than-life statue of the "Duke"), and up on the screen behind the bar pops Obama himself. The word "Change" flashes on the logo and the guy on my left shakes his head. "I got a brother who's just come back from Afghanistan," he says. "He's been fighting there but says there's no infrastructure so there can be no victory. There's nothing to build on. We're not wanted." At California's San Jose University, a guy comes up and asks me to sign my new book for him. "Write 'To Sergeant 'D'," he says with a sigh. "That's what they call me. Two tours in Iraq, just heading out to Afghanistan." And he rolls his eyes and I wish him safe home afterwards.

 

Of course, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict no longer gets a look into the debate. McCain's visit to the Middle East and Obama's visit to the Middle East – in which they outdid each other in fawning to the Israeli lobby (Obama's own contribution surely earning him membership of the Knesset if not entry to the White House) – are safely in the past. Without any discussion, Israeli and US officials held a three-day security-technology forum in Washington this month which coincided with an equally undebated decision by the dying Bush administration to give a further $330m in three separate arms deals for Israel, including 28,000 M72A7 66mm light anti-armour weapons and 1,000 GBU-9 small diameter bombs from Boeing. Twenty-five Lockheed Martin F-35 fighter jets are likely to be approved before the election. The Israeli-American talks were described as "the most senior bilateral high-technology dialogue ever between the two allies". Nothing to write home about, of course.

 

Almost equally unreported in major US papers – save by the good old Washington Report – was a potential scandal in good old Los Angeles to which Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa recently returned after a $225,000 junket to Israel with three council members and other city officials (along with families, kids, etc). The purpose? To launch new agreements for security at Los Angeles international airport. Council members waffled away on cellphones and walked out of the chamber when protesters claimed that the council was negotiating with a foreign power before seeking bids from American security services. One of the protesters asked if the idea of handing LAX's security to the Israelis was such a good idea when Israeli firms were operating security at Boston Logan and Newark on 9/11 when a rather sinister bunch of Arabs passed through en route to their international crimes against humanity.

 

But who cares? 9/11? Come again? What's that got to do with the American taxpayer?

[suchandra]

Homer Simpson tries to vote for Obama

 

 

 

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[AncientMariner]

 

I guess one must simply have faith. 'World economy' may/will collapse sooner or later. There is no practical way to be prepared to a possible catastrophic event like that. And 'we all shine on'..

 

 

That is the plan of the NWO. Complete collapse of the world economy then they will come in and pose as the saviors and create a world bank and world government where they have complete control, own everything and basically own everyone. America has already for a long time been owned by the bankers who control the politicians. They killed Kennedy because he could have broken this stranglehold the banks have on the politicians and the people. Its gonna get interesting. I don't know if Americans realize it yet but it is no longer a struggle for prosperity it is a struggle for survival. It has always been a struggle for survival with the illusion that prosperity is in your reach but now it is officially a struggle for survival no illusion of prosperity mixed in with it.

 

 

They have been doing this sort of thing for ages plotting country against county etc. behind the scenes and causing genocide etc. These people get so bored with life because they are born rich and they engage in so much sex and homosexuality etc that it ultimately get to the point where they have nothing else that entertains them but controlling people on a large scale like a game and killing them off when they want or getting the people to kill each other off etc.

 

 

The Wizard of Oz was basically about these people. The man behind the curtain is just a fat old weak bald man and anyone could kick his ass but as long as he is able to maintain the illusion and people don't realize there is a pathetically weak man behind the curtain "the Wizard" has control over a large part of the world.

 

 

We are all just another generation of people caught up in this predetermined game of the behind the scenes ruling elite of the world. Now we will see how it all unfolds in coming months and years. It doesn't look pretty but I have heard some of the younger family members of NWO have rebelled against the crazier more genocidal members and are trying to wrestle control from them so the course of human events will not end up so dark as they appear to be on present course. Don't know if this is true however and from the current events I have seen no evidence that the genocidal ones have been dethroned yet or even if they ever will.

[mahak]

Obama, he is my vote. Sarvah gatah made a point on the spiritual talk that was locked out about which one, the pro animal eating, the pro abortionist? Well, my point is that who is the most likely to submissively inquire into the reality of the situation. Who would a devotee be most likely to engage in a REAL discussion into the various aspects of spiritual life according to vaisnava principles.

 

Would you be comfortable with palin, the pro fetus person? Not unl;ess she gets rid of the snakes. McCain? Not likely. But Obama, this is a person who can be persuaded to investigate all things from an intelligent counterpoint. think about it.

 

mahak

[bija]

 

think about it. by mahak

Good advice. We should think very deeply and thoughtfully. Especially being born in societies with such freedom to vote.

 

It is up to you guys what you choose. Considering the position of USA in world politics you are also indirectly choosing for us. Please choose wisely and thoughtfully.

[AncientMariner]

 

Obama, he is my vote. Sarvah gatah made a point on the spiritual talk that was locked out about which one, the pro animal eating, the pro abortionist? Well, my point is that who is the most likely to submissively inquire into the reality of the situation. Who would a devotee be most likely to engage in a REAL discussion into the various aspects of spiritual life according to vaisnava principles.

 

Would you be comfortable with palin, the pro fetus person? Not unl;ess she gets rid of the snakes. McCain? Not likely. But Obama, this is a person who can be persuaded to investigate all things from an intelligent counterpoint. think about it.

 

mahak

 

 

Possibly but as of now Obama is still a puppet of the NWO. Perhaps he will have a change of heart, anything is possible but I do not view Obama as being a viable alternative to vote for same as John Kerry or Al Gore were not viable alternatives to the neoconservatives.

 

 

I have a feeling the Obama people are going to be real puzzled, unless he truly does choose to operate outside of the parameters of his handlers, when he continues to carry out the agenda of the NWO and international bankers even though they think they are voting for change. Whatever floats your boat but I am sitting this election out. If I vote I will vote for Chuck Baldwin, would have prefered Ron Paul but that didn't work out.

[AncientMariner]

Biden’s Admonition: Plebs to Suffer if Obama is Elected

 

 

Kurt Nimmo

Infowars

October 20, 2008

In a striking moment of candor, Joe Biden tells us would-be president Obama will face “an international crisis within his first six months in power and he will need supporters to stand by him as he makes tough, and possibly unpopular, decisions,” Matthew Jaffe reports on ABC News’ Political Radar blog. Speaking at a Seattle fundraiser, Biden said this “test” would likely unfold in the Middle East or Russia. It would likely be coupled with the economy.

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=416 align=left border=0><TBODY><TR><TD height=16></TD><TD width=16></TD></TR><TR><TD width=400></TD><TD></TD></TR><TR><TD height=8></TD><TD></TD></TR><TR><TD class=photo-caption vAlign=top align=left width=400>Obama, as the “perfect master” — never mind that he has yet to demonstrate any sort of ability beyond rhetoric and oratory — was chosen by our rulers primarily due to his race and the fact this will make it difficult to mount an effective opposition to his policies.</TD><TD></TD></TR><TR><TD></TD><TD height=8></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>“Gird your loins,” Biden told the crowd. “We’re gonna win with your help, God willing, we’re gonna win, but this is not gonna be an easy ride. This president, the next president, is gonna be left with the most significant task. It’s like cleaning the Augean stables, man.

 

This is more than just, this is more than – think about it, literally, think about it – this is more than just a capital crisis, this is more than just markets. This is a systemic problem we have with this economy.”

It is interesting Biden would mention Greek mythology to make his point. Augeas, one of the Argonauts, is best known for his stables, which housed the single greatest number of cattle in the country and had never been cleaned until the great hero Heracles came along. Apparently Biden would have us believe Obama is Heracles, the son of Zeus, known for his extraordinary strength, courage, ingenuity, and sexual prowess with both males and females. Biden also put the senator from Illinois in the same league as John F. Kennedy.

 

Biden said Obama, if elected, will do something extremely unpopular within the next year and will trend down in the polls. “I promise you, you all are gonna be sitting here a year from now going, ‘Oh my God, why are they there in the polls? Why is the polling so down? Why is this thing so tough?’ We’re gonna have to make some incredibly tough decisions in the first two years. So I’m asking you now, I’m asking you now, be prepared to stick with us. Remember the faith you had at this point because you’re going to have to reinforce us,” said Biden.

It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out what’s in store. As should now be obvious, the global elite are deliberately tanking the economy worldwide in an effort to consolidate their hold and wealth and this will result in unimaginable privation on a global scale. As Prison Planet and Infowars have consistently reported, they have launched a final effort to usher in a world currency and a world government. Recall Obama’s campaign promise to , shorthand for a global tax.

In addition, they are not finished with their project in the Middle East — the effort to take down Iran is a major piece of unfinished business. Moreover, and most ominously, the global elite are anxious to confront Russia and this will figure prominently on Obama’s agenda, especially with the notorious russophobe Zbigniew Brzezinski in control of Obama’s foreign policy.

All of this will require not only submission on the part of the American people, but enthusiastic support and possibly a willingness to send our children into the fiery maw of some as of yet uninitiated conflagration. Obama, as the “perfect master” — never mind that he has yet to demonstrate any sort of ability beyond rhetoric and oratory — was chosen by our rulers primarily due to his race and the fact this will make it difficult to mount an effective opposition to his policies. The corporate media and the Democrats will attempt to peg any criticism of Obama as racist. More then thirty years of political correctness has set the stage for a dictatorial regime.

Finally, recall Michele Obama’s warning earlier this year — the American people are obliged to sacrifice. Now we have the corporate and globalist insider Joe Biden telling us there will be a situation that will make Obama unpopular, possibly more unpopular than George W. Bush. One only need look at the economy, masterfully sabotaged, and the ongoing corporatized wars and invasions that appear endless no matter what stripe of one party politico is in office to understand what is coming down the road.

[mahak]

Very good man with facts beyond speculation.

 

However, I dispute your claim that obama is just a lackey for the NWO, because he is too populist. His agenda may be hidden, but Im inclined to think that the (not too bad) politics of the sixties may have a rekindling under his realm. Ya know, his affinity with the likes of Malcolm X, the Weathermen, and other such novelties, these may not be the scourge the right likes to insist upon. Because there WAS a reason for the Weathermen ( a branch and outgrowth of SDS), and it wasnt just to blow up the Banks of America, even though they needed it, then as well as now. What is the cause, this is what we should be thinking about, gotta RUN MAHAK

[AncientMariner]

 

Very good man with facts beyond speculation.

 

However, I dispute your claim that obama is just a lackey for the NWO, because he is too populist. His agenda may be hidden, but Im inclined to think that the (not too bad) politics of the sixties may have a rekindling under his realm. Ya know, his affinity with the likes of Malcolm X, the Weathermen, and other such novelties, these may not be the scourge the right likes to insist upon. Because there WAS a reason for the Weathermen ( a branch and outgrowth of SDS), and it wasnt just to blow up the Banks of America, even though they needed it, then as well as now. What is the cause, this is what we should be thinking about, gotta RUN MAHAK

 

 

I hope you are right about Obama, who knows for sure. I get bad vibes from him and the personality cult that has grown up around him. Just get a really bad feeling that something is off about the whole thing even though Obama at times does seem to promise all the right stuff.

 

 

I am not too familiar with the politics of the 60's as that was well before my time but the 60's do seem to be a pretty interesting time period based on what little knowledge I have on them. I have heard on Alex Jones that they are currently trying to integrate the military into local police because they know the shit is going to hit the fan bigtime eventually so anyone viewed as a protestor etc. will be labeled as a terrorist. That is what 9-11 and the legislation in the wake of 9-11 was all about. I have witnessed the army activity in my area where there are mock houses set up. I remember wondering what those fake houses are for then a buddy of mine told me he was driving by that area one day and there were military dressed in black pants running around in the houses and they were supported by tanks. I also live near a military firing range and the activity on the firing range has been off the charts lately. Alex Jones also says they already have fema camps and work camps set up for the American people and they will usher the people off to them making the people think they are doing this for their good and to protect them from terrorists etc. but really it is about turning them into slaves for the emerging global elite new world order.

 

The fact that Obama was for the wall street bailout is evidence to me that he is just another lackey of the NWO like McCain, Bush, Clinton... the list goes on and on. It is up to Obama to change my mind and I haven't seen anything up to this point that makes me think otherwise. It would be cool if he really were a transcendental personality like Malcolm X, Bob Marley etc. but I just have not seen any evidence at all that suggests that and some of the personality cultists that have latched on to him show a lot of qualities and characteristics that are going to be needed by the NWO to pull off their plan in its entirety.

 

Today an African American woman from the Nation of Islam called into the Alex Jones show and said how she and black people realize Obama is being used and controlled by the NWO and how that is an insult to black people. So apparently it is not just white people that are noticing these things.