Mental illness

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Dear ?

Can you please give the city in India where the native was born.

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

 

, " vedicastrofan "

<vedicastrofan> wrote:

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> How do we predict mental illness ?

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> Please consider the following birth data..

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> DOB : July 2 1973

> TOB : 9:45 AM

> POB : India

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> Native has been diagnosed with mental illness by a doctor.

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Ash

 

It is Baroda. City in Gujarat state.

 

Cheers..

 

, " ashsam73 "

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> Dear ?

> Can you please give the city in India where the native was born.

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

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> , " vedicastrofan "

> <vedicastrofan> wrote:

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> > How do we predict mental illness ?

> >

> > Please consider the following birth data..

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> > DOB : July 2 1973

> > TOB : 9:45 AM

> > POB : India

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> > Native has been diagnosed with mental illness by a doctor.

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Dear Ash,

 

Can you help us with this chart.

 

I would find only a few indications.

 

1. 5th house is heavily afflicted. 5th lord in 6th house. 6th lord

aspects 5th house.

2. 5th house lord and lagna lord are in 6:8 relation.

 

However, I did not find Mo being afflicted in any way.

 

Am I missing something here or does the birth time require

rectification?

 

Thanks & Regards,

Manu

 

, " vedicastrofan "

<vedicastrofan> wrote:

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> Ash

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> It is Baroda. City in Gujarat state.

>

> Cheers..

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> , " ashsam73 "

> <ashsam73> wrote:

> >

> > Dear ?

> > Can you please give the city in India where the native was born.

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> >

> > , " vedicastrofan "

> > <vedicastrofan> wrote:

> > >

> > > How do we predict mental illness ?

> > >

> > > Please consider the following birth data..

> > >

> > > DOB : July 2 1973

> > > TOB : 9:45 AM

> > > POB : India

> > >

> > > Native has been diagnosed with mental illness by a doctor.

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Dear Krushnaji,

Pranam,

 

I casted this chart and went thorough it. Here are my findings. Can

you please guide.

 

1) Lagnesh (Sun) is giving 0 to lagna.

2) Mars is giving 0 to 12th house. Mars is 4th lord and 9th lord.

3) Lagna/Sun/Moon are falling in 4 sectors of Jupiter in

navamsa/drekkhana and trishansha.

4) 3 planets are in 12th house. Me, Mo and Venus. So 12th, 2nd ,

11th, 10th and 3rd house are being enhanced.

 

5) Ve, Mo, Me are in nakshatra of Shani the 6th lord, Guru is in 6th

house, Sun is conjoining with Shani and Mars is conjoining Sa in

navamsa.

 

6) Mars is in 10th place from Sun and Shani and is getting power from

them and again Mars conjoins Shani in navamsa.

 

7) Ketu again conjoins Shani and is in navamsa of shani.

 

Here each and every planet is having some connection or relation to

the 6th lord and lagnesh is giving 0 to 1st house and Mars the lord

of 4th (knowledge) and 9th is giving 0 to 12th.

 

Shani has entered the 12th house with 0 points. So one can see

problems coming from 4th and 9th so they are karaks for 9th and 2nd

house

 

8) Antar dasha of 2nd lord is running.

 

Can you please guide as to why there is Mental Illness in this chart ?

 

Here Rahu is not afflicting Moon. There is not direct aspect or

close conjunction either in Rasi or Navamsa.

 

Yes, Moon is not powerful. Its not in 4th to 10th house from Sun.

Its in 2nd house from Sun.

 

2 continious houses are giving 0 points i.e 12th and 1st house. In

12th Mars is giving 0 and in 1st its lagnesh. So is this temporary

effect or permenant ?

 

Can you please guide,

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

, " vedicastrofan "

<vedicastrofan> wrote:

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> Ash

>

> It is Baroda. City in Gujarat state.

>

> Cheers..

>

> , " ashsam73 "

> <ashsam73> wrote:

> >

> > Dear ?

> > Can you please give the city in India where the native was born.

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> >

> > , " vedicastrofan "

> > <vedicastrofan> wrote:

> > >

> > > How do we predict mental illness ?

> > >

> > > Please consider the following birth data..

> > >

> > > DOB : July 2 1973

> > > TOB : 9:45 AM

> > > POB : India

> > >

> > > Native has been diagnosed with mental illness by a doctor.

[medan]

I would like to share your views as to how to read mental illness in a chart. One important indicator seems to be if the 5th lord is with the 6th and/or 8th lord, or if the 5th house is associated with either of these lords.

 

Another indicator of some degree of mental imbalance seems to be Rahu square or conjunction with Moon.

 

It would be helpful to know your ideas and knowledge, and also, what are the redeeming factors that guard against mental illness in a horoscope (for example, the association of Jupiter?).

[sasisekaran_pti]

om gurubhyo namah

 

namaste

 

dear shri.medan

 

it would be better if we have specific examples, from where

we can apply the basics and understand. other wise such

combinations based on rasi chart alone would make many

appear to be ill mentally !

 

may mother bless all

 

regards

 

sasisekaran

 

chennai.

[medan]

As you have requested, I am sending the details of some people who have mental illness, three of them very serious.

A. Born on Nov.4, 1960; 23h 20m (LMT), Tehran, Iran [Ascandant 19 degrees 47 minutes Cancer]

 

B. Born on Oct. 21, 1961; 23h 15m (IST), Calcutta [Asc is 7 degrees, 41 minutes Cancer]

 

C. Born on Feb.18, 1974; 9h 22m (LMT) Berhampore (West Bengal), India [Ascendant 8 degrees 7 minutes Aries]

 

D. Born on Dec.14, 1970; 8h 48m (LMT), Srinagar [Asc is 15 degrees 38 minutes Sag]

 

I'd be grateful if you enlightened me as to why this should be so, and what is the prospect of their (especially A's) overcoming their illness. (In the case of B, there is no connection of 5th lord with 6th , but it is aspected by 8th lord, and the 5th lord is also combust.) Thank you.

[sasisekaran_pti]

om gurubhyo namah

 

namaste

 

dear shri.medan

 

thanks for the constructive response and info.

 

let us take the charts one by one. let us take example A.

 

lagna:

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lagna is hemmed between malefics. argala is from(4H) mer® and

neecha sun. none to counter it from 10H. argala from moon in 11 is

not countered by any from 3rd. in total the negatives are more.

 

lagna lord:

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lagna lord , though exalted has gone to bhadaka sthana. nodes

are in kendras to it and aspected by bhdaka venus from the 5th

house. argala from mars is not countered by any from 12h from it.

argala from rahu is countered by ketu, but this must be treated as

stress on the moon by them. argala from sat and jup are countered

by sun and merc. ven is causing argala from 7th. argala's are

intervention. lagna lord is being subjected to many.

 

fifth house:

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bhadaka is in fifth house. fifth house is under severe bandhana from rahu

and ketu (equidistant from 5H).

 

fifth lords:

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fifth lords, mars as well as ketu are in 12th and 8th respectively, which

is bad.

 

atmakaraka:

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atmakaraka mercury is retro. mercury is placed between mars and ketu.

atmakaraka is placed in 8th from arudha lagna. atmakaraka is with

mrityupada (A8).

 

atmakaraka is placed with its enemy mars in sixth from navamsa lagna.

 

in trimsamsam , we can limit to the placements of planets between one

another and not from lagna since birth time accuracy is a question.

 

mercury is in the house of mars aspected by mars and rahu.

pl choose shastiamsa like trimsaamsa for analysis.

 

if you dwell into upgrahas, it will throw more light. we can look at shasthamsa

also for diseases.

 

how was he in late 1985 ?

 

 

may mother bless all

 

regards

 

sasisekaran

[medan]

Dear Shri Sasisekharan,

 

I am very grateful for the time you must have spent on studying the chart and giving such a detailed reply. It is most instructive. There is one clarification - the trimsamsa lagna is Pisces [Moon in Taurus; Sun, Saturn, Rahu, Ketu & Mars in Gemini; Merc in Libra; Venus in Capricorn; and Jupiter in Aquarius]. According to this, Mercury is in Badhak's house in Trimsamsa also, and is aspected by Rahu.

 

The Shashtamsa lagna is Capricorn. [Venus in Aquarius; Jupiter in Taurus Sun in Cancer; Saturn, Mars, Rahu & Ketu in Leo; Mercury in Virgo;& Moon in Libra.]

 

At the end of 1985, the native was all right. She was physically very ill in the middle of 1986 and critically ill during most of 1987. The mental illness became manifest in December 1993, during Rahu dasa and Venus sub-dasa. The mental state of the native improved from 1998 onwards (but never normal), and due to an unexpected side-effect of a emdicine, it became seriously bad from Aug 2006 to September 2007.

 

I would be very, very grateful if you could throw some light on whether this person will progress towards the better from now on, or will she keep relapsing, or will she remain chronically ill? How far will Moon's exaltation in Rasi and Trimsamsa help?

 

Regards,

Medan

[medan]

Dear Shri Sasisekaran,

 

In chart B, the argala factor does not seem to play a major role. What stands out is the combustion of 5th lord Mars, which is also the AK. Mars is also aspected by the 8th lord, Saturn. In navamsa, Mars is with badhak Venus and with Rahu. In rasi, Sun, Venus and Jupiter are debilitated, but how does this specifically indicate a mental illness? In other charts, Mars does not seem to have any major afflictions. [in trimasamsa, Mars is in Gemini in the 10th house, unaspected. In shashtamsa, Mars is in Leo in the 10th house, with only Rahu's aspect. But Moon (karaka for mind) is debilitated.]

 

Regards,

Medan

[sasisekaran_pti]

om gurubhyo namah

 

namaste

 

dear shri.medan

 

i choose the period of mercury pratyantar, since mercury is ak , afflicted

by mars. the disease should have set in here and surfaced in ketu, which

is placed in 4th in navamsa.

 

if you look at the moola dasa , the disease exactly struck during venus,

the bhadka placed in the 5th house.

 

the next phase in 93 was definetly due to venus, since it is placed in 2nd

and aspected by mars/saturn in shasthamsa.

 

the disease did not go away in jupiter dasa, since jupiter is found cursing

in the chart due to saturn and mars. it once again agravated in venus

since 2006. i dont foresee any improvement as the antars that are following

are not good. the order is just the same as the disease struck in the

begining.

 

let us all pray for his recovery.

 

om namo narayana, om namo narayana, om namo narayana

 

 

may mother bless all

 

regards

 

sasisekaran

[sasisekaran_pti]

om gurubhyo namah

 

namaste

 

dear shri.medan

 

In chart B, rahu is ak. i am using lahari ayanamsa. pl check once again.

 

mars and saturn are kendra to lagna and rahu is second to lagna.

 

lagna lord's dispositor is jupiter. jupiter is deblitated , associating

with jupiter and aspected by mars.

 

this jupiter is 4th lord in navamsa placed in sixth ! very bad

 

rahu, the ak is placed in 8th in navamsa which is very bad.

 

the fifth lord mars has gone to the 12th from it. mars is with

a mild malefice sun - neecha and aspected by saturn.

 

so we see generally fifth lord affilicted , fifth house afflicted,

lagna lord afflicted and above all if ak is uncomfortable, mental

agitation is indicated.

 

but some pull on living an agitated life, while others succumb to the

disease calling for medical intervention.

 

this where, a jyothisha should come in and project troublesome

periods.

 

1977 could be one period of problems.

 

 

may mother bless all

 

regards

 

sasisekaran

[medan]

Dear Shri Sasisekaran,

 

Thank you again for all the pains you have taken.

 

In case B, the mental illness became manifest in 1994. The native was in a mentally critical state in 2000. He has not got into such a state since then, but is very ill even though he is continuously on medicines. He has to continue with the medicines lifelong.

 

Regards,

Medan

[medan]

Dear Shri Sasisekaran,

 

Thank you again for the pains you have taken.

 

In case B, the illness became manifest in 1994. The native went through a mentally critical state in 2000. He has not got into such a state again, but is continuously ill, even though he is under medication. He has to be under medication lifelong.

 

Regards,

Medan

[sasisekaran_pti]

om gurubhyo namah

 

namaste

 

dear shri.medan

 

in chart b , the first onset of the disease could be around 93 to apr 94.

you have already said it was in 94. i am just trying to zero in.

rahu pratyantar was then. rahu is placed in 8 th navamsa and rahu is ak.

 

pl tell me are the mental illness cited in case a and b are of same

nature and level. it would be better for us to know the exact depth.

i think case 'a' appears to be bad.

 

may mother bless all

 

regards

 

sasisekaran

[medan]

Dear Shri Sasisekaran,

 

In response to your query as to the level of illness, it is difficult to say, but I will attempt to describe the cases. Case B is an endemic, clinically certified case of bipolar disorder (manic-depressive), for whom it is compulsory to remain on medication lifelong. The person is carrying on in a half-absent state, having lost most of his will power. By now, the medicines have taken care of the violent and suicidal tendencies, but the person does not seem to be able to exert any will power to help himself and is extremely inactive. (This is where I think the combustion of Mars plays an important role in this case.) He lacks will to such an extent that he does not even make any effort to do things which would help him, or be good for him (for example, even going to the doctor), and he has left his illness/recovery to fate, though he has a conscience and is a good person. Incidentally, the native's father committed suicide, maybe in 1997 - if you want, I can try to find out. The native's brother has a milder form of bipolar disorder and was under medication for a short while. However, he leads a perfectly normal life.

 

Case B is also clinically ill and under medication since 1994, but it is difficult to say how much of the illness is endemic and how much induced by trauma. The native's childhood and young adult years were extremely traumatic - in fact, it is known to be a rare case of unusually severe trauma. Her father was very violent, he sexually abused her sister, and her sister sexually and personally abused her till she broke all links with the family at the age of 24. She was made to act out a fictional identity, that too, of a male till that age, and the real self/ego never formed. The mental trauma was first manifested as a series of serious physical illnesses with no proper diagnoses (psychosomatic illnesses). Then came the mental breakdown (depression, disorientation), which at one point became almost as serious as psychosis (sheer insanity). But the native improved from 1998 onwards and has been all right on antidepressants, even free of all medicines for short periods. As I have said earlier, in 2006, a medicine had an unexpected side-effect, which took a toll till late 2007. She is trying to get on her feet again. Any contact with her family makes her more sick. She seems to have chronic depression. She has to lead a very careful and protected life. She cannot take many responsibilities or exertion (the same is true of case B - for example, both can work only for a few hours in a day). She has a strong will to get on with life, but periodically keeps suffering setbacks. Her major problems seem to be complete lack of self-confidence and lack of faith/belief in life.

 

I am very sorry if I have tired you out with unnecessary details, but I find these cases not only very moving and sad, but from the astrological point of view, there is a lot to study. I cannot say which case is worse - in effect, both are chronically ill. What is of foremost importance is how far they will overcome their situation and achieve something worthwhile.

 

Thank you and regards,

Medan

[medan]

Dear Shri Sasisekaran,

 

A few clarifications: Yes, I made a mistake - in case B, the AK is obviously Rahu. Also, please check - in navamsa of case A, Ketu is not in 4th house, but 5th (20 degrees, 27 minutes). I took special pains to make these four horoscopes and the ascendant of case A (born in Teheran) is 19 degrees 47 minutes, in case this helps to save your time. Also, I should add that leading a fictional existence with no identity of her own, the native lived in a state of delusion even before the illness became clinically manifest. The improvement seems to have coincided exactly with Jupiter dasa (1998).

 

Regards,

Medan

[sasisekaran_pti]

om gurubhyo namah

 

namaste

 

dear shri.medan

 

thanks for the info in detail. such details are certainly necessary.

 

but you have stated as "case B ' in both paragraphs. probably a typo.

 

kindly clariffy.

 

you have given lot of info for a home work. i assume the top

one belongs to case A and the bottom belongs to case b and i

intend to look into the charts once again. also it would be better

if you could find in all cases how close is the time of birth to the

so called 'reallity' ?

 

 

i am using jhora program. tehran has lattitudes from 27 to 32.

what is this tehran you are pointing out .. 19 deg ? pl let me understand

better.

 

may mother bless all

 

regards

 

sasisekaran

[medan]

Dear Shri Sasisekaran,

 

Sorry for the typing error. The first para is about Case B and the 2nd one about Case A (the one from Teheran).

 

I meant to say that the ascendant is 19 degrees 47 minutes. The Teheran latitude is 35 degrees 40 minutes north. I used the Lahiri ephemeris. Please teach me/correct me if there is something I should know - I am in the process of learning.

 

Regards

Medan

[U.Sanjeeva Rao]

Sri Medan,

The family background,isolation,arrogance,severe ill health and fear of death drives a person, first to mental depression and then a mental case.They are given heavy doses of medicines and some times electric treatments which cause irrepairable damage to their brain nerves and cells.As an astrologer you have to find the cause of this and remedy is to be suggested for eliminating the cause.This is to be done before they go for medical treatment. Some times it is impossible to solve the case and they die as neglected and unwanted persons.As an astrologer pl check for their sensitivity and arrogance in the horoscopes.New moon borns are more prone for this.

 

USR

[medan]

Dear Shri USR.

 

Of the four cases I have given the birth details of, two have been under heavy medication off and on, but they are intelligent people who are capable of working well (they are good editors in the publishing line), even if not full time. One of them has manic-depressive disorder, which is usually hereditary. Medicine has improved a lot and many people who would earlier have been outright "insane" (e.g., many manic-depressives or extremely depressed people) can lead more normal lives. Case C is temporarily ill and on medicines (depression), but is capable and doing extremely well in life. Case D has got obsessive-compulsive disorder (often incurable because these patients usually refuse to take medical help) - the native has refused to see a doctor and has deteriorated over the last three years, having no respect for the need to look after psychological health. There are indicators of mental illness in this horoscope. But a striking thing is the number of exalted planets in navamsa. I am very interested in knowing whether this will help the native and bring self-improvement.

 

There is a 5th case, of which I can give details if anyone is interested. This was a hopeless case (serious case of schizophrenia), such as the kind you have described. Till 1996 (after which I lost contact with the native), she seemed beyond recall. She was given electric shocks, medicines, etc., but kept relapsing. We can take our time studying these 5 cases to see what is determining recovery and what is causing relapse, etc. Sensitivity is a major factor. I will add that the horoscope should also be checked for will power/effort, rationality and intelligence, as these qualities can help the native overcome problems to some extent. Also, the readiness to learn.

 

For Case A, Jupiter, though associated with two malefics (Mars and Saturn), is in mooltrikona and seems to have brought good during its dasa. It is also part of a semi-functional yoga (9th and 10th lord in mutual aspect), Mars also being rajyogakaraka for Cancer lagna. It seems Saturn dasa would bring serious deterioration. (It is forming vipareet rajayoga with Jupiter and is exalted in navamsa, but it is 8th lord and is with Rahu in badhak's house in navamsa, the only redeeming thing being its association with Jupiter in both rasi and navamsa. It is badly afflicted in Trimsamsa - with Sun, Mars, Ketu and Rahu. It is in Sun's house in 8th, with Mars, Ketu and Rahu in Shashtamsa.) Would anyone give their views on the matter?

 

Regards,

Medan?

[U.Sanjeeva Rao]

Sri Medan,

Case A: Born on Nov.4, 1960; 23h 20m (LMT), Tehran, Iran [Ascandant 19 degrees 47 minutes Cancer]

 

I find Jupitor is in 6th in his own house associated with only Saturn. Mars is in 12th. Jupitor is not exalted in Navamsa . Can you checkup again and reply.We will see only case A.

 

USR

[sasisekaran_pti]

om gurubhyo namah

 

namaste

 

dear shri.medan

 

Between case A and case B, i find the suffering of B is more than that

of A. by saying this i am not trying to weigh the suffering between

them but only attempting at an astrological point of view.

 

case a has jupiter dasa running. its placement in trimsamsa is good.

the next dasa lord saturn is placed in fourth, and hence can show

the suffering during its dasa - 2014 onwards.

 

compare the placements of lagna lord, ninth lord and atmakaraka

in rasi and vargas. what is your opinion on this ?

 

you may please post details of case E also.

 

thanks for continued interest.

 

may mother bless all

 

regards

 

sasisekaran

[medan]

Dear Shri Sasisekaran and Shri USR,

 

I am also very grateful for your continued interest.

 

When I said Jupiter is associated with Saturn and Marrs, I meant it is conjoined with Saturn and in mutual aspect with Mars (in 12th). Also, I said Saturn (not Jupiter) is exalted in navamsa. Will this help or hurt the native?

 

I will do as you have asked - check the positions of lagna lord, 9th lord and atmakaraka in vargas. (I don't know if I'll understand anything!) As for Case E, I will definitely post the details, but it will take a few days because I am shifting house soon and the register in which I have the details of that case has been packed. I am interested in knowing why you think the suffering of Case B is worse than Case A - could you please throw some light on it?

 

Thanks and regards,

Medan

[medan]

Dear Shri Sasisekaran,

 

On looking into the vargas, I find that in Case A, the ascendant lord is not well placed - it is in badhak venus's signs 7 times. Further, it occupies 12 vargas of its enemies. The only redeeming feature is that it is exalted 4 times, importantly in rasi and trimsamsa. Moon is all the more important, being karaka for mind.

 

9th lord Jupiter is swavarga 6 times, which is extremely good. It is in friendly signs 10 times, which is also good. AK is in swavarga 5 times and occupies 11 friendly vargas. The bad thing is that it is in badhak's signs 4 times, importantly in rasi and trimsamsa.

 

You asked for my opinion, but I don't really know much. The lagna lord's placements in vargas is bad. Other than that, there are the argalas you mentioned and papakartari to lagna. Then the aspect of 8th and 6th lords on 5th lord, who in addition is in dusthana (12th). I want to ask you: would Jupiter being in swavarga 6 times and AK 5 times help the native's case?

 

In comparison, in Case B, there is nothing either extremely good or bad in the placements of lagna lord, 9th lord or AK. But there is one interesting feature. AK (Rahu) is placed in Sun's varga 6 times - Sun is an enemy and is debilitated in rasi. 2nd house (Leo, in the case of Cancer) also stands for our resources (take it here as resources of the self) and Rahu placed in Leo in 6 of the divisional charts couldn't be good. Also, it seems the debility of Jupiter in rasi and combustion of Mars (5th lord and karaka for will/effort, and rajayogakaraka for Cancer lagna) have certainly affected the native adversely. And there seems to be nothing exceptional to counter the ills.

 

Please do give your views.

 

Regards,

Medan