Animal Ghosts Questions

[Vrindavan]

Animal Ghosts Questions

 

Why most people only saw human ghosts before ?

but not seeing animals ghosts ?

 

or people who claimed that they can see human ghosts with their eyes , not mentioning they saw any animal ghosts before ?

 

Why there are fewer cases about animal ghosts than human ghosts ?

 

Why most people are being disturbed by human ghosts?

but not being disturbed by animal ghosts ?

 

 

Thanks so much for reply

[theist]

Interesting question. One thing may be that when animals die they may progress more rapidly to their next form. Those in transit from the human form will be carrying much more personal baggage according to how they used or misused their budding free will that comes wth the human form.

 

When death occurs the soul leaves in his subtle body which is composed the personal qualities he has developed towards others and life in general. If he has cruel and sadistic tendancies and is stuck in ghost life he will exhibit those tendancies as a ghost and humans will be a target for him.

 

Animals are more or less on automatic transmigration mode.

[bhaktajan]

SB 5.26.12:

Punishment in the hell called Mahäraurava is compulsory for a person who maintains his own body by hurting others. In this hell, ruru animals known as kravyäda torment him and eat his flesh.

 

 

 

PURPORT

 

 

The animalistic person who lives simply in the bodily concept of life is not excused. He is put into the hell known as Mahäraurava and attacked by ruru animals known as kravyädas.

SB 5.26.17:

By the arrangement of the Supreme Lord, low-grade living beings like bugs and mosquitoes suck the blood of human beings and other animals. Such insignificant creatures are unaware that their bites are painful to the human being. However, first-class human beings—brähmaëas, kñatriyas and vaiçyas—are developed in consciousness, and therefore they know how painful it is to be killed. A human being endowed with knowledge certainly commits sin if he kills or torments insignificant creatures, who have no discrimination. The Supreme Lord punishes such a man by putting him into the hell known as Andhaküpa, where he is attacked by all the birds and beasts, reptiles, mosquitoes, lice, worms, flies, and any other creatures he tormented during his life. They attack him from all sides, robbing him of the pleasure of sleep. Unable to rest, he constantly wanders about in the darkness. Thus in Andhaküpa his suffering is just like that of a creature in the lower species.

 

 

 

PURPORT

 

 

From this very instructive verse we learn that lower animals, created by the laws of nature to disturb the human being, are not subjected to punishment. Because the human being has developed consciousness, however, he cannot do anything against the principles of varëäçrama-dharma without being condemned. Kåñëa states in Bhagavad-gétä (4.13), cätur-varëyaà mayä såñöaà guëa-karma-vibhägaçaù: “According to the three modes of material nature and the work ascribed to them, the four divisions of human society were created by Me.” Thus all men should be divided into four classes—brähmaëas, kñatriyas, vaiçyas and çüdras—and they should act according to their ordained regulations. They cannot deviate from their prescribed rules and regulations. One of these states that they should never trouble any animal, even those that disturb human beings. Although a tiger is not sinful if he attacks another animal and eats its flesh, if a man with developed consciousness does so, he must be punished. In other words, a human being who does not use his developed consciousness but instead acts like an animal surely undergoes punishment in many different hells.

[Kulapavana]

certain ghosts may appear in any form they like. When you see a ghost riding a horse, it is actually just one entity.

[tackleberry]

 

SB 5.26.12:

Punishment in the hell called Mahäraurava is compulsory for a person who maintains his own body by hurting others. In this hell, ruru animals known as kravyäda torment him and eat his flesh.

 

 

 

PURPORT

 

The animalistic person who lives simply in the bodily concept of life is not excused. He is put into the hell known as Mahäraurava and attacked by ruru animals known as kravyädas.

SB 5.26.17:

By the arrangement of the Supreme Lord, low-grade living beings like bugs and mosquitoes suck the blood of human beings and other animals. Such insignificant creatures are unaware that their bites are painful to the human being. However, first-class human beings—brähmaëas, kñatriyas and vaiçyas—are developed in consciousness, and therefore they know how painful it is to be killed. A human being endowed with knowledge certainly commits sin if he kills or torments insignificant creatures, who have no discrimination. The Supreme Lord punishes such a man by putting him into the hell known as Andhaküpa, where he is attacked by all the birds and beasts, reptiles, mosquitoes, lice, worms, flies, and any other creatures he tormented during his life. They attack him from all sides, robbing him of the pleasure of sleep. Unable to rest, he constantly wanders about in the darkness. Thus in Andhaküpa his suffering is just like that of a creature in the lower species.

 

 

 

PURPORT

 

From this very instructive verse we learn that lower animals, created by the laws of nature to disturb the human being, are not subjected to punishment. Because the human being has developed consciousness, however, he cannot do anything against the principles of varëäçrama-dharma without being condemned. Kåñëa states in Bhagavad-gétä (4.13), cätur-varëyaà mayä såñöaà guëa-karma-vibhägaçaù: “According to the three modes of material nature and the work ascribed to them, the four divisions of human society were created by Me.” Thus all men should be divided into four classes—brähmaëas, kñatriyas, vaiçyas and çüdras—and they should act according to their ordained regulations. They cannot deviate from their prescribed rules and regulations. One of these states that they should never trouble any animal, even those that disturb human beings. Although a tiger is not sinful if he attacks another animal and eats its flesh, if a man with developed consciousness does so, he must be punished. In other words, a human being who does not use his developed consciousness but instead acts like an animal surely undergoes punishment in many different hells.

 

Are these things for real? Sounds frightening.

[tackleberry]

 

certain ghosts may appear in any form they like. When you see a ghost riding a horse, it is actually just one entity.

 

But what are these ghosts anyway? Are all of them people who've died prematurely?

[Kulapavana]

 

Are these things for real? Sounds frightening.

 

there are some beings and places which are even more frightening...

[Kulapavana]

 

But what are these ghosts anyway? Are all of them people who've died prematurely?

 

not necessarily. some are just really wicked souls whose desire and karma is to torment others. many black magic practicioners turn into ghosts when they die.

[Vrindavan]

>> certain ghosts may appear in any form they like. When you see a ghost riding a horse, it is actually just one entity.

 

someone said animal ghosts are actually just human ghosts,

 

but i believe there are cases animal ghosts do happened, as least for all the cases about pet died and haunted around the master house

[tackleberry]

 

there are some beings and places which are even more frightening...

 

Such as...? Are they described in bhagavatam? Most people say these things are not to be taken literally. Is that so, because they don't seem compatible with a merciful god?

[Kulapavana]

 

Such as...? Are they described in bhagavatam? Most people say these things are not to be taken literally. Is that so, because they don't seem compatible with a merciful god?

 

It has nothing to do with God's mercy. Some living entities are very sinful and wicked so they create extremely miserable environment.

 

Anybody who thinks the Puranic descriptions of various hells are a myth only needs to study the last 2000 years of human history for clues.

[bhaktajan]

 

 

SB 11.5.14

TRANSLATION

 

Those sinful persons who are ignorant of actual religious principles, yet consider themselves to be completely pious, without compunction commit violence against innocent animals who are fully trusting in them. In their next lives, such sinful persons will be eaten by the same creatures they have killed in this world.

 

 

PURPORT

 

In this verse we can clearly see the great discrepancies in those persons who do not surrender to the Supreme Personality of Godhead and His law.

 

As stated in the Bhägavatam, haräv abhaktasya kuto mahad-guëäù: those who do not accept the supremacy of the Supreme Lord gradually become infected with the most sinful propensities that bring, in their turn, terrible suffering upon the nondevotees.

 

In the Western countries such as America, many people proudly proclaim themselves to be most pious religionists and sometimes even prophets or representatives of God.

 

Boasting of their religiosity, such foolish people experience no fear or doubt in cruelly slaughtering innumerable animals in slaughterhouses or on hunting trips for their whimsical sense gratification.

 

In the state of <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com<st1:place w:st=" /><st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Mississippi</st1:place></st1:State> there are sometimes pig-killing festivals, in which entire families enjoy watching a pig cruelly butchered before their eyes.

 

Similarly, a former president of the <st1:country-region w:st="on">United States</st1:country-region> from <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Texas</st1:place></st1:State> did not consider any social occasion complete without the slaughtering of a cow.

 

Such persons mistakenly consider themselves to be perfectly observing the laws of God and due to such arrogant foolishness lose all touch with reality.

 

When a man is raising an animal for slaughter, he feeds the animal nicely and encourages it to grow fat. Thus the animal gradually accepts its would-be killer as its protector and master.

 

When the master finally approaches the helpless animal with a sharp knife or gun, the animal thinks, “Oh, my master is joking with me.” Only at the last minute does the animal understand that the so-called master is death personified.

 

It is clearly stated in Vedic literature that cruel masters who kill innocent animals will undoubtedly be killed in the next life by a similar process.

 

 

mäà sa bhakñayitämutra

yasya mäàsam ihädmy aham

etan mäàsasya mäàsatvaà

pravadanti manéñiëaù

 

“That creature whose flesh I am eating here and now will consume me in the next life.’ Thus meat is called mäàsa, as described by learned authorities.”

 

In Çrémad-Bhägavatam this grizzly fate of animal killers is described by Närada Muni to King Präcénabarhi, who was excessively killing animals in so-called sacrifices.

 

 

bho bhoù prajäpate räjan

paçün paçya tvayädhvare

saàjïäpitän jéva-saìghän

nirghåëena sahasraçaù

ete tväà sampratékñante

smaranto vaiçasaà tava

samparetam ayaù-küöaiç

chindanty utthita-manyavaù

 

“O ruler of the citizens, my dear King, please see in the sky those animals which you have sacrificed, without compassion and without mercy, in the sacrificial arena.

 

All these animals are awaiting your death so that they can avenge the injuries you have inflicted upon them. After you die, they will angrily pierce your body with iron horns.” (Bhäg. 4.25.7–8)

 

Such punishment of animal killers may take place under the jurisdiction of Yamaräja on the planet of the lord of death. In other words, one who kills an animal or who eats meat undoubtedly acquires a debt to the living entity who has contributed his body for the satisfaction of the meat-eater.

 

The meat-eater must pay his debt by contributing his own body to be consumed in the next life. Such payment of one’s debt by offering one’s own body to be eaten is confirmed in the Vedic literature.

[Kulapavana]

 

 

SB 11.5.14

TRANSLATION

 

Those sinful persons who are ignorant of actual religious principles, yet consider themselves to be completely pious, without compunction commit violence against innocent animals who are fully trusting in them. In their next lives, such sinful persons will be eaten by the same creatures they have killed in this world.

 

 

Yet somehow Christianity and these Christians are to be considered Vaishnavism and Vaishnavas??? Bogus! Totally bogus!

[bhaktajan]

 

 

SB 4.25.7

 

The great saint Närada said: O ruler of the citizens, my dear King, please see in the sky those animals which you have sacrificed without compassion and without mercy in the sacrificial arena.

 

 

PURPORT

 

Because animal sacrifice is recommended in the Vedas, there are animal sacrifices in almost all religious rituals. However, one should not be satisfied simply by killing animals according to the directions of the scriptures.

 

One should transcend the ritualistic ceremonies and try to understand the actual truth, the purpose of life. Närada Muni wanted to instruct the King about the real purpose of life and invoke a spirit of renunciation in his heart.

 

Knowledge and the spirit of renunciation (jïäna-vairägya) are the ultimate goal of life. Without knowledge, one cannot become detached from material enjoyment, and without being detached from material enjoyment, one cannot make spiritual advancement.

 

Karmés are generally engaged in sense gratification, and for this end they are prepared to commit so many sinful activities. Animal sacrifice is but one such sinful activity.

 

Consequently, by his mystic power Närada Muni showed King Präcénabarhiñat the dead animals which he had sacrificed.

 

 

 

SB 4.25.8

 

 

 

All these animals are awaiting your death so that they can avenge the injuries you have inflicted upon them. After you die, they will angrily pierce your body with iron horns.

 

 

 

PURPORT

 

Närada Muni wanted to draw King Präcénabarhiñat’s attention to the excesses of killing animals in sacrifices. It is said in the çästras that by killing animals in a sacrifice, one immediately promotes them to human birth.

 

Similarly, by killing their enemies on a battlefield, the kñatriyas who fight for a right cause are elevated to the heavenly planets after death. In Manu-saàhitä it is stated that it is necessary for a king to execute a murderer so that the murderer will not suffer for his criminal actions in his next life.

 

On the basis of such understanding, Närada Muni warns the King that the animals killed in sacrifices by the King await him at his death in order to avenge themselves. Närada Muni is not contradicting himself here.

 

Närada Muni wanted to convince the King that overindulgence in animal sacrifice is risky because as soon as there is a small discrepancy in the execution of such a sacrifice, the slaughtered animal may not be promoted to a human form of life.

 

Consequently, the person performing sacrifice will be responsible for the death of the animal, just as much as a murderer is responsible for killing another man.

 

When animals are killed in a slaughterhouse, six people connected with the killing are responsible for the murder. The person who gives permission for the killing, the person who kills, the person who helps, the person who purchases the meat, the person who cooks the flesh and the person who eats it, all become entangled in the killing.

 

Närada Muni wanted to draw the King’s attention to this fact. Thus animal-killing is not encouraged even in a sacrifice.

[tackleberry]

 

 

SB 11.5.14

TRANSLATION

 

Those sinful persons who are ignorant of actual religious principles, yet consider themselves to be completely pious, without compunction commit violence against innocent animals who are fully trusting in them. In their next lives, such sinful persons will be eaten by the same creatures they have killed in this world.

 

 

Yet somehow Christianity and these Christians are to be considered Vaishnavism and Vaishnavas??? Bogus! Totally bogus!

 

Could it be possible they're doing it, not due to lack of compassion, but on account of ignorance? I mean, killing (after knowing the consequences) is one thing, but what of people who're GENUINELY convinced they're obeying god by doing such acts?

[Kulapavana]

 

Could it be possible they're doing it, not due to lack of compassion, but on account of ignorance? I mean, killing (after knowing the consequences) is one thing, but what of people who're GENUINELY convinced they're obeying god by doing such acts?

 

Genuine and sincere ignorance is still just ignorance. And no, most Christians do not care about the suffering of the animals but they DO consider themselves completely and supremely pious. Their compassion just does not extend to other living entities. And that is why they are NOT Vaishnavas.