Watz inside Mecca Kaba

[Harekrsnaharsha]

Does Anybody know whatz excatly is there inside Mecca Kaba as far as my knowledge goes a muslim friend of mine had told that there is a Vishnu Pada as such there is two pada in the world one in Gaya and another in Mecca which was a part of India some 5000 years back.

 

Any Comments plz do enlighten ME

 

Hare Krsna

[Bishadi]

 

Does Anybody know whatz excatly is there inside Mecca Kaba as far as my knowledge goes a muslim friend of mine had told that there is a Vishnu Pada as such there is two pada in the world one in Gaya and another in Mecca which was a part of India some 5000 years back.

 

Any Comments plz do enlighten ME

 

Hare Krsna

 

perhaps a diamond,

[bhaktajan]

perhaps a diamond, --??????????????????????????????????????

 

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May it return to the earth!

May it return to the carbon lair!

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[Bishadi]

have you held it?

 

Have you carried it to a lab and run a refraction test?

 

Please let's go there, stop the circle, walk into the middle of the crowd and say 'hey dudes, we need to borrow that, we have a bet'

 

Perhaps mary poppins would laugh at that but then again how about a little more observance to history and thinking

since a young kid, carbon thru to fullerene and diamond and the chemical construct has been a hobby of sorts. First observance was a national geographic article in the mid 70's.

Have you ever wondered why it (carbon in diamond form) shares the refraction (of light) scale it does?

As well the 'hope' diamond under ultraviolet reveals a red eye within, that glows.

carbon is what life is primarily in utilization of; note the shape of the crystal structure and the relation to phi or what is called the golden ratio (1.618....) and pi (3.14) or (it seems 11/7 * 2 makes a cleaner approach for each pole from 0)

this stone may be many things but another similarity is with the hopi (north American Indians), in the mountains behind <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com<st1:City><st1:place>taos</st1:place></st1:City>, also have a stone, as it seems the 'blue lake' (aka lake of reflections) is a kimberlite pipe (see debeers in <st1:place>africa</st1:place>) as far as I can tell. That land is off limits to anyone but some 'great white brother' or you all may consider him kalki, maitreya or simply a good brahmana (teacher)...

the land is maintained pure; hence the rendition 'caretakers of the land'

there are a bunch of renditions regarding a 'stone of sight'....

in a mathematical form is it possible? absolutely! Look up entanglement.

Think of dejavu or prophecies; they are real and sentience offers that window that many experience but no one has known how to define what it is or how it is possible, in a true form.

 

[bhaktajan]

Yes, I see.

Did you plagerize you writtings from Grugieff? Carlos castenadas?

Timothy Leary?

[nalinmehra]

 

Does Anybody know whatz excatly is there inside Mecca Kaba as far as my knowledge goes a muslim friend of mine had told that there is a Vishnu Pada as such there is two pada in the world one in Gaya and another in Mecca which was a part of India some 5000 years back.

 

Any Comments plz do enlighten ME

 

Hare Krsna

 

AS FAR AS I KNOW, ONE OF MY MUSLIM FRIEND TOLD ME THAT, THERE IS A SHIV LINGA IN MECCA AND IT IS BELIVED THAT IF ANY HINDU BRAHMIN POUR WATER ON THAT SHIV LINGA, IT MAY DESTROY THE WHOLE MUSLIM COMMUNITY, GOD KNOWS WETHER ITS TRUE OR NOT? BUT NO HINDU IS ALLOWED TO VISIT MECCA....

[princegoutham]

 

Does Anybody know whatz excatly is there inside Mecca Kaba as far as my knowledge goes a muslim friend of mine had told that there is a Vishnu Pada as such there is two pada in the world one in Gaya and another in Mecca which was a part of India some 5000 years back.

 

Any Comments plz do enlighten ME

 

Hare Krsna

 

You Fool He will Say any foolish things and you will Belive it ha Listen there is Shiv Linga Inside the Kaaba I got the Proof also for it ok done all the reasearch Ok

[princegoutham]

 

AS FAR AS I KNOW, ONE OF MY MUSLIM FRIEND TOLD ME THAT, THERE IS A SHIV LINGA IN MECCA AND IT IS BELIVED THAT IF ANY HINDU BRAHMIN POUR WATER ON THAT SHIV LINGA, IT MAY DESTROY THE WHOLE MUSLIM COMMUNITY, GOD KNOWS WETHER ITS TRUE OR NOT? BUT NO HINDU IS ALLOWED TO VISIT MECCA....

 

There is Shiv Lingam inside the Kaaba i Know that is True I got proof Of that which i have shared with many Muslims Leaders and they also have accepted it ok Pray to lord shiv ji He has been in all yugas Worshipped By all Gods Ok

[Pankaja_Dasa]

Shivlinga

[Pankaja_Dasa]

Shivlinga

[yogesh]

Arabic tradition has lost trace of the founding of the Kaaba temple. The discovery of the Vikramaditya inscription affords a clue. King Vikramaditya is known for his great devotion to Lord Mahadev (Siva). At Ujjain (India), the capital of Vikramaditya, exists the famous shrine of Mahankal, i.e., of Lord Shankara (Siva) associated with Vikramaditya. Since according to the Vikramaditya inscription he spread the Vedic religion, who else but he could have founded the Kaaba temple in Mecca?

 

A few miles away from Mecca is a big signboard which bars the entry of any non-Muslim into the area. This is a reminder of the days when the Kaaba was stormed and captured solely for the newly established faith of Islam. The object in barring entry of non-Muslims was obviously to prevent its recapture.

 

As the pilgrim proceeds towards Mecca he is asked to shave his head and beard and to don special sacred attire that consists of two seamless sheets of white cloth. One is to be worn round the waist and the other over the shoulders. Both these rites are remnants of the old Vedic practice of entering Hindu temples clean- and with holy seamless white sheets.

 

The main shrine in Mecca, which houses the Siva emblem, is known as the Kaaba. It is clothed in a black shroud. That custom also originates from the days when it was thought necessary to discourage its recapture by camouflaging it.

According to the Encyclopaedia Britannica, the Kaaba has 360 images. Traditional accounts mention that one of the deities among the 360 destroyed when the place was stormed, was that of Saturn; another was of the Moon and yet another was one called Allah. That shows that in the Kaaba the Arabs worshipped the nine planets in pre-Islamic days. In India the practice of 'Navagraha' puja, that is worship of the nine planets, is still in vogue. Two of these nine are Saturn and Moon.

In India the crescent moon is always painted across the forehead of the Siva symbol. Since that symbol was associated with the Siva emblem in Kaaba it came to be grafted on the flag of Islam.

 

Another Hindu tradition associated with the Kaaba is that of the sacred stream Ganga (sacred waters of the Ganges river). According to the Hindu tradition Ganga is also inseparable from the Shiva emblem as the crescent moon. Wherever there is a Siva emblem, Ganga must co-exist. True to that association a sacred fount exists near the Kaaba. Its water is held sacred because it has been traditionally regarded as Ganga since pre-Islamic times (Zam-Zam water).

[Note: Even today, Muslim pilgrims who go to the Kaaba for Haj regard this Zam-Zam water with reverence and take some bottled water with them as sacred water.]

 

Muslim pilgrims visiting the Kaaba temple go around it seven times. In no other mosque does the circumambulation prevail. Hindus invariably circumambulate around their deities. This is yet another proof that the Kaaba shrine is a pre-Islamic Indian Shiva temple where the Hindu practice of circumambulation is still meticulously observed.

 

The practice of taking seven steps- known as Saptapadi in Sanskrit- is associated with Hindu marriage ceremony and fire worship. The culminating rite in a Hindu marriage enjoins upon the bride and groom to go round the sacred fire four times (but misunderstood by many as seven times). Since "Makha" means fire, the seven circumambulations also prove that Mecca was the seat of Indian fire-worship in the West Asia.

 

It might come as a stunning revelation to many that the word 'ALLAH' itself is Sanskrit. In Sanskrit language Allah, Akka and Amba are synonyms. They signify a goddess or mother. The term 'ALLAH' forms part of Sanskrit chants invoking goddess Durga, also known as Bhavani, Chandi and Mahishasurmardini. The Islamic word for God is., therefore, not an innovation but the ancient Sanskrit appellation retained and continued by Islam. Allah means mother or goddess and mother goddess.

 

One Koranic verse is an exact translation of a stanza in the Yajurveda. This was pointed out by the great research scholar Pandit Satavlekar of Pardi in one of his articles.

[Note: Another scholar points out that the following teaching from the Koran is exactly similar to the teaching of the Kena Upanishad (1.7).

The Koran:

"Sight perceives Him not. But He perceives men's sights; for He is the knower of secrets , the Aware."

Kena Upanishad:

"That which cannot be seen by the eye but through which the eye itself sees, know That to be Brahman (God) and not what people worship here (in the manifested world)."

 

A simplified meaning of both the above verses reads:

God is one and that He is beyond man's sensory experience.]

The identity of Unani and Ayurvedic systems shows that Unani is just the Arabic term for the Ayurvedic system of healing taught to them and administered in Arabia when Arabia formed part of the Indian empire.

 

It will now be easy to comprehend the various Hindu customs still prevailing in West Asian countries even after the existence of Islam during the last 1300 years. Let us review some Hindu traditions which exist as the core of Islamic practice.

The Hindus have a pantheon of 33 gods. People in Asia Minor too worshipped 33 gods before the spread of Islam. The lunar calendar was introduced in West Asia during the Indian rule. The Muslim month 'Safar' signifying the 'extra' month (Adhik Maas) in the Hindu calendar. The Muslim month Rabi is the corrupt form of Ravi meaning the sun because Sanskrit 'V' changes into Prakrit 'B' (Prakrit being the popular version of Sanskrit language). The Muslim sanctity for Gyrahwi Sharif is nothing but the Hindu Ekadashi (Gyrah = elevan or Gyaarah). Both are identical in meaning.

 

The Islamic practice of Bakari Eed derives from the Go-Medh and Ashva-Medh Yagnas or sacrifices of Vedic times. Eed in Sanskrit means worship. The Islamic word Eed for festive days, signifying days of worship, is therefore a pure Sanskrit word. The word MESH in the Hindu zodiac signifies a lamb. Since in ancient times the year used to begin with the entry of the sun in Aries, the occasion was celebrated with mutton feasting. That is the origin of the Bakari Eed festival.

[Note: The word Bakari is an Indian language word for a goat.]

Since Eed means worship and Griha means 'house', the Islamic word Idgah signifies a 'House of worship' which is the exact Sanskrit connotation of the term. Similarly the word 'Namaz' derives from two Sanskrit roots 'Nama' and 'Yajna' (NAMa yAJna) meaning bowing and worshipping.

 

Vedic descriptions about the moon, the different stellar constellations and the creation of the universe have been incorporated from the Vedas in Koran part 1 chapter 2, stanza 113, 114, 115, and 158, 189, chapter 9, stanza 37 and chapter 10, stanzas 4 to 7.

Recital of the Namaz five times a day owes its origin to the Vedic injunction of Panchmahayagna (five daily worship- Panch-Maha-Yagna) which is part of the daily Vedic ritual prescribed for all individuals.

 

Muslims are enjoined cleanliness of five parts of the body before commencing prayers. This derives from the Vedic injuction 'Shareer Shydhyartham Panchanga Nyasah'.

 

Four months of the year are regarded as very sacred in Islamic custom. The devout are enjoined to abstain from plunder and other evil deeds during that period. This originates in the Chaturmasa i.e., the four-month period of special vows and austerities in Hindu tradition. Shabibarat is the corrupt form of Shiva Vrat and Shiva Ratra. Since the Kaaba has been an important centre of Shiva (Siva) worship from times immemorial, the Shivaratri festival used to be celebrated there with great gusto. It is that festival which is signified by the Islamic word Shabibarat.

Encyclopaedias tell us that there are inscriptions on the side of the Kaaba walls. What they are, no body has been allowed to study, according to the correspondence I had with an American scholar of Arabic. But according to hearsay at least some of those inscriptions are in Sanskrit, and some of them are stanzas from the Bhagavad Gita.

[yogesh]

 

 

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As in the headquarters of Christianity (namely the Vatican in Rome) at the headquarters of Islam too (namely in the Kaaba temple in Mecca city of Saudi Arabia) the ancient Hindu Shiva Linga may still be seen. This cylindrical stone, rendered immovable for security by being fixed in the outer corner of a wall, is the object of reverence of all Muslims. Here Muslims still continue the seven perambulations in the age old Hindu style except that they move anti-clockwise. White silver foil shrouds the stone. The oval uncovered central portion gives the pilgrims an idea of how the stone looks. Syrians had once carried away the stone as a war trophy and kept it for 22 years.

 

 

 

 

 

[Harekrsnaharsha]

Hare Krsna

Its Said that if there is only shivlinga you need to go around the shivlinga in half moon prakara namaskara, like what muslims do at the Mecca and they are doin it right Isint It right

[Laxmi.B.Hiremath]

I am not sure friends.

[gHari]

I heard it is a stone from the original House of Worship created by Abraham.

[Sarva gattah]

 

 

Inscriptions on the side of the Kaaba are also from the Bhagavad Gita

 

 

An Email I received from my good friend Raj I found very interesting that deals with this subject -

 

“A recent archeological find in Kuwait unearthed a gold-plated statue of the Hindu deity Ganesh. A Muslim resident of Kuwait requested historical research material that can help explain the connection between Hindu civilisation and Arabia.]

 

 

 

Was the Kaaba Originally a Hindu Temple?

By P.N. Oak (Historian)

 

Glancing through some research material recently, I was pleasantly surprised to come across a reference to a king Vikramaditya inscription found in the Kaaba in Mecca proving beyond doubt that the Arabian Peninsula formed a part of his Indian Empire.

The text of the crucial Vikramaditya inscription, found inscribed on a gold dish hung inside the Kaaba shrine in Mecca, is found recorded on page 315 of a volume known as ‘Sayar-ul-Okul’ treasured in the Makhtab-e-Sultania library in Istanbul, Turkey. Rendered in free English the inscription says:

"Fortunate are those who were born (and lived) during king Vikram’s reign. He was a noble, generous dutiful ruler, devoted to the welfare of his subjects. But at that time we Arabs, oblivious of God, were lost in sensual pleasures. Plotting and torture were rampant. The darkness of ignorance had enveloped our country.

Like the lamb struggling for her life in the cruel paws of a wolf we Arabs were caught up in ignorance. The entire country was enveloped in a darkness so intense as on a new moon night. But the present dawn and pleasant sunshine of education is the result of the favour of the noble king Vikramaditya whose benevolent supervision did not lose sight of us- foreigners as we were.

He spread his sacred religion amongst us and sent scholars whose brilliance shone like that of the sun from his country to ours. These scholars and preceptors through whose benevolence we were once again made cognisant of the presence of God, introduced to His sacred existence and put on the road of Truth, had come to our country to preach their religion and impart education at king Vikramaditya’s behest."

 

For those who would like to read the Arabic wording I reproduce it hereunder in Roman script:

 

• "Itrashaphai Santu Ibikramatul Phahalameen Karimun Yartapheeha Wayosassaru Bihillahaya Samaini Ela Motakabberen Sihillaha Yuhee Quid min howa Yapakhara phajjal asari nahone osirom bayjayhalem. Yundan blabin Kajan blnaya khtoryaha sadunya kanateph netephi bejehalin Atadari bilamasa- rateen phakef tasabuhu kaunnieja majekaralhada walador. As hmiman burukankad toluho watastaru hihila Yakajibaymana balay kulk amarena phaneya jaunabilamary Bikramatum".
  
• (Page 315 Sayar-ul-okul).

[Note: The title ‘Saya-ul-okul’ signifies memorable words.]

A careful analysis of the above inscription enables us to draw the following conclusions:

1) That the ancient Indian empires may have extended up to the eastern boundaries of Arabia until Vikramaditya and that it was he who for the first time conquered Arabia. Because the inscription says that king Vikram who dispelled the darkness of ignorance from Arabia.

 

2) That, whatever their earlier faith, King Vikrama’s preachers had succeeded in spreading the Vedic (based on the Vedas, the Hindu sacred scriptures)) way of life in Arabia.

 

3) That the knowledge of Indian arts and sciences was imparted by Indians to the Arabs directly by founding schools, academies and cultural centres. The belief, therefore, that visiting Arabs conveyed that knowledge to their own lands through their own indefatigable efforts and scholarship is unfounded.

 

An ancillary conclusion could be that the so-called Kutub Minar (in Delhi, India) could well be king Vikramadiya’s tower commemorating his conquest of Arabia. This conclusion is strengthened by two pointers. Firstly, the inscription on the iron pillar near the so-called Kutub Minar refers to the marriage of the victorious king Vikramaditya to the princess of Balhika.

This Balhika is none other than the Balkh region in West Asia. It could be that Arabia was wrestled by king Vikramaditya from the ruler of Balkh who concluded a treaty by giving his daughter in marriage to the victor. Secondly, the township adjoining the so called Kutub Minar is named Mehrauli after Mihira who was the renowned astronomer-mathematician of king Vikram’s court.

Mehrauli is the corrupt form of Sanskrit ‘Mihira-Awali’ signifying a row of houses raised for Mihira and his helpers and assistants working on astronomical observations made from the tower.

Having seen the far reaching and history shaking implications of the Arabic inscription concerning king Vikrama, we shall now piece together the story of its find. How it came to be recorded and hung in the Kaaba in Mecca.

What are the other proofs reinforcing the belief that Arabs were once followers of the Indian Vedic way of life and that tranquillity and education were ushered into Arabia by king Vikramaditya’s scholars, educationists from an uneasy period of "ignorance and turmoil" mentioned in the inscription.

In Istanbul, Turkey, there is a famous library called Makhatab-e-Sultania, which is reputed to have the largest collection of ancient West Asian literature.

 

In the Arabic section of that library is an anthology of ancient Arabic poetry. That anthology was compiled from an earlier work in A.D. 1742 under the orders of the Turkish ruler Sultan Salim.he pages of that volume are of Hareer – a kind of silk used for writing on. Each page has a decorative gilded border.

That anthology is known as Sayar-ul-Okul. It is divided into three parts. The first part contains biographic details and the poetic compositions of pre-Islamic Arabian poets. The second part embodies accounts and verses of poets of the period beginning just after prophet Mohammad’s times, up to the end of the Banee-Um-Mayya dynasty.

 

The third part deals with later poets up to the end of Khalif Harun-al-Rashid’s times. Abu Amir Asamai, an Arabian bard who was the poet Laureate of Harun-al-Rashid’s court, has compiled and edited the anthology.

The first modern edition of ‘Sayar-ul-Okul’ was printed and published in Berlin in 1864. A subsequent edition is the one published in Beirut in 1932.

he collection is regarded as the most important and authoritative anthology of ancient Arabic poetry. It throws considerable light on the social life, customs, manners, and entertainment modes of ancient Arabia.

 

The book also contains an elaborate description of the ancient shrine of Mecca, the town and the annual fair known as OKAJ which used to be held every year around the Kaaba temple in Mecca. This should convince readers that the annual haj of the Muslims to the Kaaba is of earlier pre-Islamic congregation.

But the OKAJ fair was far from a carnival. It provided a forum for the elite and the learned to discuss the social, religious, political, literary and other aspects of the Vedic culture then pervading Arabia. ‘Sayar-ul-Okul’ asserts that the conclusion reached at those discussions was widely respected throughout Arabia.

 

Mecca, therefore, followed the Varanasi tradition (of India) of providing a venue for important discussions among the learned while the masses congregated there for spiritual bliss.

The principal shrines at both Varanasi in India and at Mecca in Arvasthan (Arabia) were Siva temples. Even to this day ancient Mahadev (Siva) emblems can be seen. It is the Shankara (Siva) stone that Muslim pilgrims reverently touch and kiss in the Kaaba.

Arabic tradition has lost trace of the founding of the Kaaba temple.

The discovery of the Vikramaditya inscription affords a clue. King Vikramaditya is known for his great devotion to Lord Mahadev (Siva). At Ujjain (India), the capital of Vikramaditya, exists the famous shrine of Mahankal, i.e., of Lord Shankara (Siva) associated with Vikramaditya.

 

Since according to the Vikramaditya inscription he spread the Vedic religion, who else but he could have founded the Kaaba temple in Mecca?

 

Encyclopaedias tell us that there are inscriptions on the side of the Kaaba walls. What they are, no body has been allowed to study, according to the correspondence I had with an American scholar of Arabic.

 

But according to hearsay at least some of those inscriptions are in Sanskrit, and some of them are stanzas from the Bhagavad Gita (VEDIC SCRIPTURES).

[Harekrsnaharsha]

According to Sanatana Dharma Scriptures our India was stretched uptill Iran plz do refer. And also our peacock throne is still in the hands of Istanbul and one of the costliest Diamond till date is in the museum of USA and its blue in color. HOpe Vijaya Mallya knows about it

[Harekrsnaharsha]

Dear all,

 

I hope everybody knows about it and any comments on the same about the thrown and the diamond necklace.

[gagansharma99]

 

Does Anybody know whatz excatly is there inside Mecca Kaba as far as my knowledge goes a muslim friend of mine had told that there is a Vishnu Pada as such there is two pada in the world one in Gaya and another in Mecca which was a part of India some 5000 years back.

 

Any Comments plz do enlighten ME

 

Hare Krsna

 

 

my dear friend according to me as one of my muslim intellectual told me that inside kaba there is a source of water in there. I will tell you more exact detail within two -three days

[Mahadev Bhakt]

Yes it is true that there is a Bhagvan Shiv Linga is there.So all good people wait for the third eye to be opened.

100 sunar ki 1 lohar ki .

 

Har Har Mahadev.

[RadhaMukunda]

It's only a stone. There were hundreds of these stones around mekka before islam. Because of the stone fetish of that time, they were held sacred. The mekka remains of ancient pagan temple.

[prabhu bhakt]

I am really sorry to say that all of we are leaving the last stage of our life, this is to all the ages person, very soon the third eyes are going to make this world vhasam, I dosent care of getting finished, but i need that my religious which is trapped is to be freed, and i need the real end of KAL YUG and restarting of the NEW AGE. It not the post, but its the fact which is going to be true very soon. What i am going to do is not known to me, but yes i will do what ever needed.

 

Thank You,

The Real Power is after The Death or as the life gets ends.