War Against Iran Started

[AncientMariner]

"But I wouldn't, as I'm kind of a fan of Lord Nityananda's. (And boy, is He liberal!)"

 

 

Hey stonehearted. Was thinking today about the politics of Lord Nityanandas so to speak and I think he is simultaneously liberal and conservative. I mean at a fundamental level the requirements for Krishna Consciousness seem to be fairly conservative in the sense of no gambling, no intoxication, no illicit sex. As far as meat eating goes that may be an anomaly as not many conservatives espouse vegetarianism. But at the same time Krishna is very liberal to everyone in the sense that the Hare Krishna mantra seems to be available to anyone who will accept it regardless of their material condition. Anyway the divinity of Krishna makes modern day politics seem like an absurdity anyway and here is to hoping the world will become Krishna Conscious in due time.

 

Cheers

[stonehearted]

 

Hey stonehearted. Was thinking today about the politics of Lord Nityanandas so to speak and I think he is simultaneously liberal and conservative. I mean at a fundamental level the requirements for Krishna Consciousness seem to be fairly conservative in the sense of no gambling, no intoxication, no illicit sex.

 

Blasphemy! He is liberal, liberal, and only liberal. (He has no politics.) He gives away the most precious commodity for the least price: just a little faith. He has no interest in those other things, concerning people's inclination for gambling, sex, etc. What did He ask Jagai and Madhai? Stop your drinking? Stop your raping and whoring? Stop anything? Nope! Just "Please chant Krishna's holy names!" He's liberal and nothing else. Read Sri Chaitanya Bhagavat and Sri Chaitanya-charitamrita again and undergo a change of heart.

[AncientMariner]

 

Blasphemy! He is liberal, liberal, and only liberal. (He has no politics.) He gives away the most precious commodity for the least price: just a little faith. He has no interest in those other things, concerning people's inclination for gambling, sex, etc. What did He ask Jagai and Madhai? Stop your drinking? Stop your raping and whoring? Stop anything? Nope! Just "Please chant Krishna's holy names!" He's liberal and nothing else. Read Sri Chaitanya Bhagavat and Sri Chaitanya-charitamrita again and undergo a change of heart.

 

 

I don't much about Lord Nitanyanda but I do remember Jagai and Madhai so I apologize if I misrepresented him. I have read Srimad Bhagavatam 3 times but in last few years I pretty much only read the 5th Canto so out of my ignorance and forgetfullness I assumed that Nitanyanda made the same proclamations against meat eating, gambling, intoxication and illicit sex that the acaryas do but apparently that is not the case so forgive my ignorance on the subject. It seems some of the incarnations and representatives of Krishna ask people to not do all these things and some of the incarnations of Krishna apparently even kill the people that do these things. Obviously Krishna is transcendental to politics but it seems he sometimes incarnates as a ruler so I was trying to figure out how he would be viewed as a ruler of our society from the modern day political spectrum and how the people in general would classify him as everyone in our society is basically classified as conservative or liberal by conventional norms. I guess his mere presence would likely make the world Vaikuntha like either that I guess or all the asuras would be so disturbed that Krishna would be forced to kill them or something or probably a combination of both but who knows for sure and I doubt Krishna would even incarnate as a ruler in our civilization so its all just a hypothetical random thought that popped into my head when I was out golfing and a lady bug landed on my golf ball.

 

 

Cheers

[jinglebells]

 

It is yet another war that the Israeli lobby is dragging US into, as if the stupid war in Iraq was not enough. And the morons who do not see it should go and serve in the military. Go and die for them fools... The oil will shoot up to 400 dollars per barrel or more when that happens. And the price of food will follow. That will do wonders to the world economy and transfer ABSOLUTELY enormous and unprecedented amounts of wealth to the oil speculators who (surprise surprise!) primarily represent the 'chosen people'. Now you know who wags the dog by the tail.

 

I agree with your other points about certain people using war as an excuse to make money, while innocent people die for them.

 

But the idea about jews controlling the show sounds like a conspiracy theory. It's so hard to believe a tiny nation/population could control larger nations, superpowers.

 

For a long, long time, this has been going on all over the world, I mean, the tendency to blame jews for everything. When will the world wake up to the fact all humans are driven by greed, lust etc., and these things cannot be restricted to certain races?

[AncientMariner]

 

I agree with your other points about certain people using war as an excuse to make money, while innocent people die for them.

 

But the idea about jews controlling the show sounds like a conspiracy theory. It's so hard to believe a tiny nation/population could control larger nations, superpowers.

 

For a long, long time, this has been going on all over the world, I mean, the tendency to blame jews for everything. When will the world wake up to the fact all humans are driven by greed, lust etc., and these things cannot be restricted to certain races?

 

 

I agree with this and even think this has spilled over into a blame America type mentality as well. Not to say America isn't guilty of injustices and greed etc.

[jinglebells]

 

I agree with this and even think this has spilled over into a blame America type mentality as well. Not to say America isn't guilty of injustices and greed etc.

 

What surprises me specifically is the 'blame the jew' mentality, because this has been going on forever. Of all the races in the world, why the jews? And almost all people in the world accuse jews of practically everything that's wrong with this world, this is even more surprising. The germans did, British, russians, recently the muslims, and many others.

 

Doesn't this strike you as odd at all, the jews being made scapegoats by many, many nations/races/religions throughout the world? It's almost as if 'blame the jew' mentality is some kind of disease that's spreading (or, rather, has spread) all over the world.

[suchandra]

Amazing - so much oil. Looks like oil is constanly newly generated and never runs out.

 

Iran says discovers billion barrel oil field

 

 

AFP — July 13, 2008

 

 

Iran on Sunday said it has discovered a new oil field in the hydrocarbon-rich province of Khuzestan with more than one billion barrels of crude in place.

 

Oil Minister Gholam Hossein Nozari said the oil field held 1.1 billion barrels of sweet crude oil, of which 233 million was recoverable, the oil ministry's Shana news agency reported.

 

He told reporters after a cabinet meeting that the field is in the area of Andimeshk town in Khuzestan province of southwestern Iran that borders Iraq. No further details were immediately available.

 

Iran is the number two producer in OPEC and the number four worldwide, although its ability to reach oil production targets has been hampered by a lack of international investment.

 

Production started in February from Iran's biggest onshore oil field, Azadegan, which is estimated to have 42 billion barrels of crude oil in place.

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5hPI2dT7c_O-hCip3fMcs1xD2E9Gw

[AncientMariner]

 

Amazing - so much oil. Looks like oil is constanly newly generated and never runs out.

 

Iran says discovers billion barrel oil field

 

 

 

 

 

AFP — July 13, 2008

 

 

 

Iran on Sunday said it has discovered a new oil field in the hydrocarbon-rich province of Khuzestan with more than one billion barrels of crude in place.

 

Oil Minister Gholam Hossein Nozari said the oil field held 1.1 billion barrels of sweet crude oil, of which 233 million was recoverable, the oil ministry's Shana news agency reported.

 

He told reporters after a cabinet meeting that the field is in the area of Andimeshk town in Khuzestan province of southwestern Iran that borders Iraq. No further details were immediately available.

 

Iran is the number two producer in OPEC and the number four worldwide, although its ability to reach oil production targets has been hampered by a lack of international investment.

 

Production started in February from Iran's biggest onshore oil field, Azadegan, which is estimated to have 42 billion barrels of crude oil in place.

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5hPI2dT7c_O-hCip3fMcs1xD2E9Gw

 

 

Doesn't sound like that much because if I remember right the world consumes 86 million barrels of oil a day.

[Kulapavana]

 

But the idea about jews controlling the show sounds like a conspiracy theory. It's so hard to believe a tiny nation/population could control larger nations, superpowers.

 

For a long, long time, this has been going on all over the world, I mean, the tendency to blame jews for everything. When will the world wake up to the fact all humans are driven by greed, lust etc., and these things cannot be restricted to certain races?

 

Are you trying to tell me that the Israeli/Jewish lobby in US was not, and is not pushing for wars with Iraq and Iran??? It is not a conspiracy theory, but a fact. Let's blame people who deserve to be blamed based on such facts.

People get what they deserve.

[Kulapavana]

People should accept responsibility for their actions and not hide behind slogans.

[jinglebells]

 

Are you trying to tell me that the Israeli/Jewish lobby in US was not, and is not pushing for wars with Iraq and Iran??? It is not a conspiracy theory, but a fact. Let's blame people who deserve to be blamed based on such facts.

People get what they deserve.

Not this matter specifically, but the general tendency throughout the world to blame Jews for every problem. Surely, that's ridiculous, don't you agree? As to Iran/Iraq, both nations have had a violent history, which includes a war between them killing millions. So with or without Jews, they've been hating and killing each other. So does it really matter if Jews are involved, when it's palpably clear that Muslim nations are violent, no matter what? I am not justifying Jews/US, only saying Muslim nations EVEN WITHOUT US/JEW intervention have always been killing each other.

 

On a side note, do you know of any references pointing to National Socialists and their interest in Vedic Civilization?

[Kulapavana]

 

Not this matter specifically, but the general tendency throughout the world to blame Jews for every problem. Surely, that's ridiculous, don't you agree? As to Iran/Iraq, both nations have had a violent history, which includes a war between them killing millions. So with or without Jews, they've been hating and killing each other. So does it really matter if Jews are involved, when it's palpably clear that Muslim nations are violent, no matter what?

 

I do not think at all that this is a general tendency in the world (blaming Jews for everything). Quite the contrary: in most places it is completely unacceptable to blame Jews for anything, with Jews attacking such people for being anti-semitic. Anti-semitism was a crime punishable by death in the Lenin-Stalin Soviet Union. A protection no other ethnic or religious group had. In some countries it is a crime to even question the statistics of Holocaust. You can question the number of Poles who died in WW2 in concentration camps, but not the number of Jews who died in the same camps. Does that seem fair to you?

 

Muslims have their own problems. They are no more prone to violence than Christians or Jews, they just do it differently. If you did some research you would see for example that Jews kill far more Muslims than Muslims kill Jews - about 10 times more. Each group blames the other for the violence, but the statistics do not lie. For me it is a case of one animal fighting another animal - I hardly see much difference between them, it is more like a nature's balancing act.

[Kulapavana]

 

On a side note, do you know of any references pointing to National Socialists and their interest in Vedic Civilization?

 

Germans were fascinated by the Vedic culture long before the national socialism was invented. Read the history of German indology for examples. Nazis simply exploited that fascination and took it a step further. They were the only people who took Vedic sicience very seriously and conducted elaborate research in that area. I do not have much reference but you can easily google a lot of information - ranging in value from pure conjecture to solid facts. All that research ended up in American hands after the war, largely dismissed as irrelevant.

[jinglebells]

 

Germans were fascinated by the Vedic culture long before the national socialism was invented. Read the history of German indology for examples. Nazis simply exploited that fascination and took it a step further. They were the only people who took Vedic sicience very seriously and conducted elaborate research in that area. I do not have much reference but you can easily google a lot of information - ranging in value from pure conjecture to solid facts. All that research ended up in American hands after the war, largely dismissed as irrelevant.

 

Thanks for the info., but how do we link their interest in Vedic culture to their anti-Semitic policies which formed a major part of their movement? That seems to be one of the most puzzling things in their ideology, it's nearly a contradiction.

[suchandra]

 

Thanks for the info., but how do we link their interest in Vedic culture to their anti-Semitic policies which formed a major part of their movement? That seems to be one of the most puzzling things in their ideology, it's nearly a contradiction.

When Hitler knew that he had lost 1.2 mio young soldiers he came up with the idea to go against the Jews. This is the handwriting of an individual weirdo and overhasty we put the blame on the collective of all Germans. Would you like to be lumped in with all the decisions G.W. Bush made past years?

 

News Brief: Gazprom Connects to Iran Making any attack on Iran an attack on Russia’s interests too.

 

Gazprom Connects to Iran

 

 

 

 

 

 

Kommersant.com Russia’s online daily – July 15, 2008

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ahmadinejad and Gazprom CEO Alexey Miller, Teheran July 13, 2008

 

 

Gazprom has signed a memorandum on cooperation in production and transportation of oil and natural gas with the National Iranian Oil Co. The Iranian company, which all other oil companies in the world refuse to work with, is promising Gazprom “a full package of projects.” The memorandum was signed by Gazprom CEO Alexey Miller, Iranian Oil Minister Gholam Hossein Nozari and NIOC managing director Seifollah Jashnsaz. Gazprom will thus have the chance to strengthen its position in the countries with the world’s second largest gas reserves (proven reserves of 28.13 trillion cu. m.).

 

The memorandum envisages the formation of a joint venture to implement geological exploration and development projects, construction of refineries and transportation of Iranian gas. Nozari also mentioned transportation of oil from the Caspian Sea to the Gulf of Oman to the Iranian official IRNA information agency. A Gazprom sources also says that an Iran-Pakistan-India gas pipeline has been discussed.

Deliveries of Russian gas to northern regions of Iran on a long-term basis are also being discussed. Gazprom plans to deliver the gas in exchange for shipping oil by tanker or delivery of gas to the Turkish border. The construction of a gas distribution network is also under discussion. It would connect the industrialized north of Iran with the gas-rich south of the country. Northern Iran is now dependent on gas supplied from Turkmenistan, which turned off the gas just before New Year, leaving the Iranian region without fuel.

NIOC produced 115 billion cu. m. of gas in 2007. It sold 107 billion cu. m. on the domestic market, imported 8 billion cu. m. from Turkey and exported 8 billion cu. m. from Turkmenistan. It also produces 195-200 million tons of oil per year. Last autumn, Shell and Repsol left Iran, and Total left last week, leaving NIOC without foreign partners. Observers wonder whether the Russian-Iranian agreement will be implemented in the current political atmosphere.

www.kommersant.com/p912431/Russian-Iranian_relations_Gazprom/

[Kulapavana]

 

Thanks for the info., but how do we link their interest in Vedic culture to their anti-Semitic policies which formed a major part of their movement? That seems to be one of the most puzzling things in their ideology, it's nearly a contradiction.

 

Nobody said that national socialists were saints. Far from that. But the issue of their anti-semitism is very complex. The perception in Germany was that WW1 was lost due to Jewish intervention (see Balfour Declaration) and the subsequent economic collapse and hyper-inflation were ruthlessly exploited by Jewish capitalists and bankers preying on Germans. Still, as long as they were loyal and useful to the State and war machine, Nazis allowed many Jews to remain in place. Some even directly served in the military. There was even a fully functioning Jewish hospital in Berlin, supported by Eichmann to the very end, surviving the siege of Berlin in 1945. It is still there today. Read about it here for example: http://www.jewishsf.com/content/2-0-/module/displaystory/story_id/21952/edition_id/444/format/html/displaystory.html

 

I bet you a 100 bucks you never heard about that story.

 

It takes some real effort and intelligence to understand the world around us. Many people want to cheat us, demanding that we think like they want us to think. Ultimately it is all about control. Do not let asuras control your thinking. Hare Krsna!

[AncientMariner]

 

Nobody said that national socialists were saints. Far from that. But the issue of their anti-semitism is very complex. The perception in Germany was that WW1 was lost due to Jewish intervention (see Balfour Declaration) and the subsequent economic collapse and hyper-inflation were ruthlessly exploited by Jewish capitalists and bankers preying on Germans. Still, as long as they were loyal and useful to the State and war machine, Nazis allowed many Jews to remain in place. Some even directly served in the military. There was even a fully functioning Jewish hospital in Berlin, supported by Eichmann to the very end, surviving the siege of Berlin in 1945. It is still there today. Read about it here for example: http://www.jewishsf.com/content/2-0-/module/displaystory/story_id/21952/edition_id/444/format/html/displaystory.html

 

I bet you a 100 bucks you never heard about that story.

 

It takes some real effort and intelligence to understand the world around us. Many people want to cheat us, demanding that we think like they want us to think. Ultimately it is all about control. Do not let asuras control your thinking. Hare Krsna!

 

 

Looks like the dollar might be headed to similar scenario as German hyperinflation as national and world events play out. I noticed Pat Buchanan has got a lot of heat for saying blunders by Churchill and others caused WWII and the holocaust might have been avoided if not for these blunders. I have no idea if there is any truth to this but I have always respected Buchanan. Savage will not even let Buchanan back on his show anymore.

[AncientMariner]

I read this on a stock message board.

 

 

The government bailouts just beginning in order to keep the system from completely failing and diluted dollar is going to lead to higher and higher commodity prices. Oil headed to 200 dollars or higher even without war with Iran.

[Kulapavana]

 

Looks like the dollar might be headed to similar scenario as German hyperinflation as national and world events play out. I noticed Pat Buchanan has got a lot of heat for saying blunders by Churchill and others caused WWII and the holocaust might have been avoided if not for these blunders. I have no idea if there is any truth to this but I have always respected Buchanan. Savage will not even let Buchanan back on his show anymore.

 

You are right. The banking sector troubles, devaluation of the dollar. fuel and food speculation, all have some resemblace to the past in more way than one. And Buchanan is one of the very few people in America who dare to say publicly what a lot of people think privately. The Jewish lobby have been marginalizing him for years and now he is very rearely seen in public media.

[jinglebells]

All said and done, Zionism is fulfilling most people's secret desire-to eliminate terrorists and such undesirables from the society. Oil crisis is just an unfortunate side effect, which will persist with or without Israel/Jews and Zionism, anyway. This cannot be denied, so let's try to see the good things in Zionism, for a change.

 

Honestly, Zionism seems to be the only counterweight against terrorism as well as imperialism, which is why Jews are hated by both sides, the muslims as well as the racist skinhead types. So in a way, Zionists are actually fulfilling the wishes of good people by acting as a hurdle to both forms of imperialism.

[Kulapavana]

 

All said and done, the Jewish lobby/Israel is fulfilling most people's secret desire-to eliminate terrorists and such undesirables from the society. Oil crisis just an unfortunate side effect, which will persist with or without Israel/Jews, anyway. This cannot be denied, so let's try to see the good things, for a change.

 

Quite the contrary: they are the ones creating (breeding) terrorists and the money drain is the main event. Ever since the Israeli warmongers whipped up the war in Iraq, the terrorism is more popular than ever. Al-queda recruitment is way up world wide. So are the profits for many rich people in USA and Israel.

 

You can't kill your way out of that situation. For every Palestinian Israelis kill ten more come up to take his or her place and the hatred only intensifies. The same in Iraq and Afghanistan. French learned their lesson in Algeria, but Jews and Americans refuse to learn. Why? Because it IS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY.

 

Terrorism is a product of exploitation and injustice. Stop the injustice and terrorism will be completely marginalized.

[suchandra]

Wikipedia: People killed in WWII - total 72 Mio.

 

[Gerald Goldberg, MD]

The war in Iran is just another manifestion of the world being directed by black hole souls. Regardless of what they proport to do intrinsically they can only create on the basis of their energectic orientation which is to drain the energy out of life and produce destruction. Irregardless of the explainations the ultimate goal is dissolution of all life.

The peculiarity of karma is that the countries or souls who once took from the middle east and now compelled to return or give back to the souls they took it from. The peculiarity of the arrangement is that like a child they once took and now they have to return whatever they took but they are still children. Of note is also their emanation, this is critical to understanding the inability of a christian nation, to act in a christian manner. Being black hole souls they talk about compassion and charity, but their actions show their real nature which is to suck up other individuals energies. Nothing is sacred to them but that. Everything they claim to hold sacred is violated, because their intrinsic nature is to destroy. Like the old saying talk is cheap, when it is the emanation or the way in which they use energy, no pun intended, which reveals their nature. The need to acquire power at the expense of other life forms is indicative of their nature. Thus it is with the economy, energy, attitudes towards the planet, regard for other civillizations. In a real sense they are still pagans, worshipping power and sacrificing others children to their God. They never left Bablyon because they are still utilizing the same energectic approach. The energy is immortal, and subconciously those who are still attached to it, will use it. From the schema of the spirit the utilization of the energy is the same. The way that they use energy or for that matter absorb it, is unchanged. They have not surrendered from desire and reconciled their fundamental nature.

[Gerald Goldberg, MD]

It is not right or wrong but a lack of coming from a place of pure charity, versus righteousness. As the old saying goes you are what you emanate. You have the obligation to surrender to charity, versus maintaining polarization which perpetuates the condlict. That is exactly what governments want, is to perpetuate your own self alienation from service to God, viz a vee, and instead ascribing it to other motives. If you cannot be motivated by God who has the answer than why are you wasting your time in trivial pursuits of judgement. The problem with the world is that there are too many spiritual bigots in it. There are things going on which you cannot see, but you depend on the media for your consciousness not the welfare and compassion of others. What sort of spiritual BS is that. A compassionate feeds his brother because that is what he would expect for himself. The world elites are playing both sides of the fence while they prepare to get 5 billion souls off of this planet. Do you want to be part of their cosmic car service?

[bhaktajan]

Wonderful! No??

 

So Wonderful!!!

So totally Awesome too!!!

 

Hey, I didn't same "Terrific" --but is is full of 'Terror'.

Alas Awesome signifies full of awe --with mouth agog & agap or ajar.

 

Such is the state/nature of Kali-Yuga with our own very language twisted & abberated 180 degrees into it's opposite meaning.

 

I have a similar list of War Causlties Poster [which I should scan & Post] from an issue of Natural Geographic Magazine.

 

Ma-suchaha! We or our grand-kids will always be able to watch the micro-ends-of-the-world of the telly and read it in the tabloids the next morn.

 

COW EATING CAUSES WARS AMONG THOSE WHO EAT THE COWS WITH THEIR SIDE ORDER OF BREAST.

 

STOP COMPLAINING AND ENLIGHTEN SOME ONE TODAY ALONG THE WAY TO YOUR YOGA CLASS, TRY IT, PRACTICE IT--MA SUCHAHAH! No?

 

Live by the butchers' knife --die by the butchers' knife.

 

So how many sub-human species were butchered per capita inorder to have the impetus & then the strength to fight--and then to celebrate a battles win or console a funerals' costs--generation after generation births-after-births.

 

The industrial effort(s) from a 1,961,963,000 points of view added up to simply an elborate pastime earnestly in pursuit of a school of fish spawning in clouds of rapids.

 

 

Wikipedia: People killed in WWII - total 72 Mio.