Will there be another World War?

[Sarva gattah]

As many are aware, Srila Prabhupada has many times warned us that the third world war will eventually take place.

Srila Prabhupada – “The America has got atom bomb and Russia has got atom bomb. As soon as there is another war, the whole world will be finished” (Bhagavad-gita Lec. 13.14 Bombay, October 7, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada – “So these rascals are going on. So it is very difficult to preach Krsna consciousness. The whole world is overburdened by these rascals and demons. So atom, atom bomb is waiting for them. Yes. It will be finished. All the demons will be finished” (Srimad-Bhagavatam Lec. 1.8.34 Los Angeles, April 26, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada – “You are maintaining so many slaughterhouses, and when it will be mature, there will be war, the wholesale murder. Finished. One atom bomb--finished. You'll have to suffer. .(Srimad-Bhagavatam Lec. 6.1.32 Honolulu, May 31, 1976)

Srila Prabhupada – “Don't think that "Innocent animals, they cannot protest. Let us kill and eat." No. You'll be also punished. Wait for accumulation of your sinful activities, and there will be war, and the America will drop the atom bomb, and Russia will be finished. Both will be finished. .(Srimad-Bhagavatam Lec. 6.1.32 Honolulu, May 31, 1976)

Srila Prabhupada – “Go on now enjoying. It takes time. Just like even if you infect some disease, it takes time. Not that immediately you infect, and immediately the disease is there. No. It takes a week's time or so.(Srimad-Bhagavatam Lec. 6.1.32 Honolulu, May 31, 1976)

Paramahamsa: The theory nowadays is that by the proliferation of atomic weapons, that Russia has so many weapons, China has so many weapons, the United States has so much...

Prabhupada: Everyone now. India has also.

Paramahamsa: They're all afraid of using them.

Prabhupada: They must use it. That is nature's arrangement.

Paramahamsa: Yeah, right. History.

Prabhupada: Yes. That is nature's arrangement (chuckles) that you all die. That is nature's arrangement.

Tamala Krsna: When someone gets some power he wants to try it out. Just like there was that demon. Lord Siva gave him power: whoever head he touched, the head would fall off.

Prabhupada: Just like in your country there are so many cars so that a poor man like me has car always, not an inch move on leg. So because there is so many. There are so many cars. So there are so many weapons now. That must be used. That is a natural sequence. They must use it.

Bahulasva: That is why they have wars, just so they can use up the weapons.

Prabhupada: Oh yes.

Paramahamsa: The only difficulty is that if one person uses the atomic weapon, that means entire, it would be entire waste of mankind. So everyone's afraid of using the ultimate.

Prabhupada: Well, anyway, they must be used. There is no doubt about it. Therefore we can say there will be war. It is no astrology. It is natural conclusion.

Tamala Krsna: Common sense.

Paramahamsa: That'd mean total destruction.

Prabhupada: Well, total or partial, that we shall see. But they must be used. ( S.P.Morning Walk July 18, 1975, San Francisco)

Srila Prabhupada – “The modern civilization has got everything, but without God consciousness, any moment it will be finished. And there are symptoms... Any moment.

Srila Prabhupada – “At the present moment, this godless civilization, as soon as there is declaration of war, the America is prepared to drop atom bomb, Russia is... The first nation who will drop the atom bomb, he will be victorious. Nobody will be victorious, because both of them are ready to drop. The America will be finished and Russia will be finished. That is the position. So you may make advancement of civilization, scientific improvement, economic development, but if it is godless, at any moment it will be finished. At any moment. (Srimad-Bhagavatam Lec. 1.15.21 Los Angeles, December 1, 1973)

Srila Prabhupada – “You have created this situation. You must be killed. You may be American or Englishman or German or this or that. You may be very proud of your nationality. But you must be killed." This is the position. Isvarasya vicestitam. "You have killed so many animals. Now wholesale killing, one bomb. One atom bomb. Be killed." So these rascals they do not know how things are going on. Isvarasya vicestitam. "Tit for tat." There must be”. (Srimad-Bhagavatam Lec. 1.15.24 Los Angeles, December 3, 1973)

Prabhupada: Yes. All Western adventure to keep people in darkness. And that is going on. Now it will be smashed by the next war. Next war will come very soon.

Tamala Krsna: (Surprised) Oh!

Prabhupada: Yes.

Tamala Krsna: Next war...?

Prabhupada: Your country, America, is very much eager to kill these Communists. And the Communists are also very eager. So very soon there will be war. And perhaps India will be the greatest sufferer.

Tamala Krsna: Greatest...?

Devotees: Sufferer.

Srutakirti: Sufferer.

Prabhupada: Because America is aiming to start the war from India.

Devotee: Oh!

Prabhupada: Yes. Because India and Russia, they are...

Brahmananda: They are... Friendship.

Prabhupada: No. Side by side. If the war is started from India...

Rupanuga: So India will become...

Prabhupada: And the Russians are ready here already, I have heard, with soldiers and... Not soldiers. I mean to say.

Hamsaduta: Missiles.

Prabhupada: Yes. They are also vigilant.

Visnujana: Will that help our preaching, Prabhupada?

Prabhupada: Preaching will be very nice after the war when both of them, especially Russia, will be finished.......

Prabhupada: Yes, they are getting. They are already getting. The Pakistan will start the war with India. And then everything will be...

Devotees: Oh! Whew!

Devotee: Pakistan will start a war... (devotees talking among themselves.)...

Tamala Krsna: Will this war spread to many different countries and continents?

Prabhupada: The actual war will be between America and Russia. (S.P. Morning Walk Conversation (World War III) April 4, 1975, Mayapur)

Prabhupada: Yes. Next war means atomic war. All these rascals will be killed automatically. I will kill you, you'll kill me. That's all.

Yogesvara: Is that war to occur in the recent future? Or is that a long way off?

Prabhupada: Very recent, very recent future. (S.P.Morning Walk May 27, 1974, Rome)

[shivamohan]

Well, I don't think so.

[Sarva gattah]

 

 

ISRAEL AND THE US ATTACK THE ROGUE STATE OF IRAN

 

By Author unknown

 

 

The war began as planned. The Israeli pilots took off well before dawn and streaked across Lebanon and northern Iraq, high above Kirkuk. Flying US-made F-15 and F-16s, the Israelis separated over the mountains of western Iran, the pilots gesturing a last minute show of confidence in their mission, maintaining radio silence.

Just before the sun rose over Tehran, moments before the Muslim call to prayer, the missiles struck their targets. While US Air Force AWACS planes circled overhead--listening, watching, recording--heavy US bombers followed minutes later. Bunker-busters and mini-nukes fell on dozens of targets while Iranian anti-aircraft missiles sped skyward.

The ironically named Bushehr nuclear power plant crumbled to dust. Russian technicians and foreign nationals scurried for safety. Most did not make it.

Targets in Saghand and Yazd, all of them carefully chosen many months before by Pentagon planners, were destroyed. The uranium enrichment facility in Natanz; a heavy water plant and radioisotope facility in Arak; the Ardekan Nuclear Fuel Unit; the Uranium Conversion Facility and Nuclear Technology Center in Isfahan; were struck simultaneously by USAF and Israeli bomber groups.

The Tehran Nuclear Research Center, the Tehran Molybdenum, Iodine and Xenon Radioisotope Production Facility, the Tehran Jabr Ibn Hayan Multipurpose Laboratories, the Kalaye Electric Company in the Tehran suburbs were destroyed.

Iranian fighter jets rose in scattered groups. At least those Iranian fighter planes, that had not been destroyed on the ground by the swift and systematic air strikes from US and Israeli missiles. A few Iranian fighters even launched missiles, downing the occasional attacker, but American top guns quickly prevailed in the ensuing dogfights.

The Iranian air force, like the Iranian navy, never really knew what hit them. Like the slumbering US sailors at Pearl Harbor, the pre-dawn, pre-emptive attack wiped out fully half the Iranian defence forces in a matter of hours. But unknown to the Americans and Israelis, Iran had an enormous military force well hidden outside of Iran.

By mid-morning, the second and third wave of US/Israeli raiders screamed over the secondary targets. The only problem now was the surprising effectiveness of the Iranian missile defenses. The element of surprise lost, US and Israeli warplanes began to fall from the skies in considerable numbers to anti-aircraft fire.

At 7:35 AM, Tehran time, the first Iranian anti-ship missiles destroyed a Panamanian oil tanker, departing from Kuwait and bound for Houston and an Australian battle ship. Launched from an Iranian fighter planes, the Exocet split both the ships in half and set the ship ablaze in the Strait of Hormuz. The Australian causalities were 542 sailors dead. A second and third tanker followed, black smoke billowing from the broken ships before they blew up and sank. By 8:15 AM, all ship traffic on the Persian Gulf had ceased.

Most US Navy ships had been ordered earlier into the relative safety of the Indian Ocean, south of their base in Bahrain, launched counter strikes. Waves of US fighter planes circled the burning wrecks in the bottleneck of Hormuz but the Iranian fighters had fled.

At 9 AM, Eastern Standard Time, many hours into the war, CNN reported a squadron of suicide Iranian fighter jets attacking the US Navy fleet south of Bahrain. Embedded reporters aboard the ships--sending live feeds directly to a rapt audience of Americans just awakening--reported all of the Iranian jets destroyed, but not before the enemy planes launched dozens of Exocet and Sunburn anti-ship missiles. The US aircraft carrier USS Dwight D. Eisenhower, a cruiser, and two destroyers suffered direct hits. The cruiser blew up and sank, killing 600 American sailors. The aircraft carrier, hit by over 40 missiles, sank an hour later killing another 4,400 sailors.

By mid-morning, every military base in Iran was partially or wholly destroyed. Sirens blared and fires blazed from hundreds of fires. Explosions rocked Tehran and the electrical power failed. The Al Jazeerah news station in Tehran took a direct hit from a satellite bomb, levelling the entire block.

At 9:15 AM, Baghdad time, the first Iranian missile struck the Green Zone. For the next thirty minutes a torrent of missiles landed on GPS coordinates carefully selected by Shiite militiamen with cell phones positioned outside the Green Zone and other permanent US bases. Missiles are now raining all over Iraq coming from hidden Iranian bases within Iraq, Syria, and Saudi Arabia

Although Israeli bomber pilots and US had destroyed 90% of the Iranian missiles in Iran, thousands of Shahabs remained hidden outside Iran that fully destroy the Green Zone, the Baghdad airport, and a US Marine base. 14, 300 unsuspecting US soldiers died in the early morning barrage.

Not surprisingly, CNN and Fox withheld the great number of casualties from American viewers; in fact, nothing drastic was being shown to the American public.

By 9:30 AM, gas stations on the US east coast began to raise their prices. Slowly at first and then altogether in a panic, the prices rose. $9 a gallon, and then $12 and then $15, the prices skyrocketed. Worried motorists, rushing from work, roared into the nearest gas station, radios blaring the latest reports of the pre-emptive attack on Iran. While fistfights broke out in gas stations everywhere, the Third world war may have possibly begun.

In Washington DC, the spin began minutes after the first missile struck its intended target. The punitive strike, not really a war said the harried White House spokesman, would further democracy and peace in the Middle East, he had no idea how serious it was becoming.

Media pundits mostly followed the party line and stopped reporting American causalities. They justified the attack by claiming they are successfully ridding Iran of weapons of mass destruction,

Rice declared confidently on CNN, in a cover-up to the American people, that Iran might follow in the footsteps of Iraq, and enjoy the hard won fruits of freedom. She was unaware that Iran had actually built 3 nuclear weapons that were somewhere in Syria in the process of being detonated in Israel

The president scheduled a speech at 2 PM. Gas prices rose another two dollars before then. China and Japan threatened to dump US dollars. Gold raised $160 an ounce. The dollar plummeted against the Euro.

CNN reported violent, Muslim anti-American protests in Paris, London, Rome, Berlin, and Dublin. Muslims and anti-War protestors attached American fast food franchises throughout Europe and Australia.

Muslim and Anti-War protestors firebombed American corporate Businesses. Citizens of Christian, Jewish and Hindu background retaliated in France and fire bombed Muslim mosques, schools, and homes killing over 150

A violent coup during the Iran attack toppled the pro-American Pakistan president putting nuclear weapons in the hands of Fundamentalist Muslims. India goes on Red alert and prepares for the worst by having their nuclear weapons on standby.<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

[Sarva gattah]

 

 

The war has been going for 7 hours and already 10s of thousands have been killed

 

On the New York Stock Exchange, prices fell in frenzy of trading, except for the major petroleum producers.

Word comes through from CNN of A barrage of Iranian Shahab missile striking Tel Aviv, destroying many city blocks, then to the shock and horror of everyone, one missile, carrying a 25 kiloton nuclear war head, cloud bursts over the heart of Tel Aviv killing an estimated 600, 000, CNN’s live broadcasts ceases, all journalist are killed.

Israel immediately retaliated with the first barrage of 30 nuclear strikes on Tehran and cities around Iran, turning half the country of Iran into dust. There ally India, who always said they would come to Israel aid, prepare for war

The Syrian Capital is also hit with 3 nuclear weapons but was able to retaliate with another of Iran’s secretly stored nuclear weapon. Most of Israel is also destroyed. None of Israel’s Nuclear weapons are in Israel; most are hidden in other counties as far away as South Africa and India

A hastily called UN General Assembly in New York City attempted to ease tensions, which is ignored by Israel. A small plan crashes into the UN building in New York causing minor damage killing 11

An orange alert in New York City suddenly reddened to a full-scale terror alarm due to many back-pack bombs, planted by Muslim cells in America, detonate on a Manhattan subway killing 340.

Mayor Bloomberg asked President Bush to declare a nation wide martial law ordering every Governor the to mobilize the National Guard, what few national guardsmen remained in the state.

President Bush looked shaken at 2 PM when he hears of a second nuclear explosion in Israel killing another 500, 000. Now over a million dead and many millions more dead in Iran

 

 

 

The War has been going for nine hours

 

 

 

 

 

The Israel Army, Air force, and Navy send a massive nuclear strike in every corner of Iran, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Yemen, Georgia, and north Eastern Afghanistan. A huge nuclear attack also destroys most of Libya. They also denote already placed mini nukes in the Gaza stripe and the West bank where Hezbollah are. The Blue domed mosque in Jerusalem is also destroyed and many senior Israel military men want to hit Mecca, the heart of Islam.

The scroll below the TV screen reported Persian Gulf nations halting production of oil until the conflict could be resolved peacefully. Oil reaches 320 dollars a barrel. The US announce they are turning to their reserves and suspends the influence of world prices

Only rumours of nuclear weapons being detonated are released to the American public.

Venezuelan president, Hugo Chavez, announced a freeze in oil deliveries to the US would begin immediately. Covert American CIA invades the county to assassinate Hugo Chavez and his supporters. A missile strike from unknown source hit his residents and he, along with family members and bodyguards, are killed.

English Prime minister Gordon Brown offers to mediate peace negotiations, between the US and Israel and Iran, but was resoundingly rejected. Two suicide bombers kill 38 people at Heathrow Airport. Another suicide bomber targets a School Assembly in Melbourne Australia killing 93 children and a Shopping Center at Southland Cheltenham is hit with five car bombs killing 60 shoppers. These random attacks are increasing throughout Australia, Europe, America, Russia, China, Japan and other non Muslim countries.

 

Iran has an estimated 49,000 suicide bombers all around the world and THEIR attacks have only just begun.

 

By 6 PM, Eastern Standard Time, the war has been going for 12 hours. An estimated 18 million have been killed, mostly in Iran and over 1 million in Israel

Gas prices had stabilized at just below $18 a gallon in the US. A Citgo station in Texas, near Fort Sam Houston Army base, was firebombed, 84 workers were killed.

Another barrage of Nuclear weapons hit Iran. More that half the population is dead and millions are dying of radiation poisoning

Afghanistan tribal areas are hit again, two nuclear weapons detonate in Pakistan. India doesn’t wait for any response from the new Muslim fundamentalist Government and unleashes a barrage of nuclear weapons at Pakistan’s military and industrial sites, as well as all northern tribal areas.

Pakistan responds with a nuclear attack on Amritsar and surrounding military bases all over the Punjab killing millions. India retaliates by hitting more major industrial cities; Pakistan launches nuclear weapons at the major cities of Delhi, Mumbi, Calcutta, Hyderabad, Jaipur, Lucknow, Bhopal, Chennai, Goe, Gujarat and the secret Military base near the city of Mathura (The famous birth place of Lord Krsna), 40 million are killed.

Nuclear device are also detonated over American War ships, the carriers, USS Kitty Hawk, USS Constellation and USS John F. Kennedy, and accompanied battle destroyers, there are no survivors.

The US invades Venezuela to claim its oil; their military responds by destroying all oil fields

India hits EVERY major city in Pakistan Killing more than half the population of 160 million. Military bases in Bangladesh are hit by massive air strikes. India is in chaos due to some of India’s 180 million Muslims calling for jihad against Hinduism and the West

While this is going on, nuclear weapons of unknown origin (most probably Israel submarines) rain on major cities in Indonesia. They respond by invading New Guinea and also attacks Darwin Australia with their Military. Australia goes on War footing.

 

Israel vowels to turn the lands of EVERY Muslim country into fine dust particles

 

Secretly stored nuclear weapons at the American Pine Gap base in central Australia (meant for China, North Korea and Eastern Russia) are mistakngly unleashed on military bases in Indonesia. They do however, stop a full scale invasion of Australia's North, killing millions. Thousand of Australians are killed in Darwin in a further missile counter strike by Indonesian Military. They still prepare for a ground invasion of Australia.

Mecca in Saudi Arabia and Cairo in Egypt is also destroyed by a nuclear attack!!

The Andersen Air Force Base at Guam is destroyed by Nuclear weapons; Pakistan is blamed although the Americans also suspect Russia.

More American bases outside of America are attacked such as the Bahamas Camp Doha, Kuwait City, US Army Camp Udairi, Kuwait City, US Army with another nuclear warhead sent from Pakistan. Other bases are also destroyed, the Ahmed Al Jaber Air Base, US Air Force Ali Al Salem Air Base, US Air Force, Saudi Arabia Eskan Village Air Base, US Air Force Riyadh Air Base, Riyadh, US Air Force, King Abdul Aziz Air Base, Dhahran, US Air Force King Fahd Air Base, Taif, US Air Force King Khalid Air Base, Khamis ushayt, US Air Force

 

American military dead is over 50, 000 in just over half a day of fighting, more deaths than 10 years of fighting during the Vietnam War.

 

 

The war has been going on for 14 hours so far

 

 

Japan and China are not involved and stand by the sidelines attempting to stop the horror. Then news comes through of rogue Indian soldiers, who are Buddhists, Sikhs and Hindus, invading Tibet and attacks Chinese army and Air force base killing 4000 Chinese soldiers and airman. China responds with an Air strike on advancing Indian Troops killing 12,000.

Indian Northern command, hidden within the Himalayas, have lost contact with what’s going on and launches a nuclear attack on in North Western China in self defence unaware of the rogue soldiers invading Tibet. An Estimated 26,000 Chines troops perish.

China responds with a devastating Nuclear attack on India’s northern region killing 80 million and making the place uninhabitable for the next 10, 000 years

Russia takes advantage of the conflict and helps Serbia to invade Kosavo, Nato responds with attacks on Serbian airfields and military bases. Russia begins evacuating Moscow. All air traffic in the US is grounded and borders closed. Evacuation of Washington DC Politicians secretly begins, hundreds of Muslim American suicide bombers start attacking Americans in their own cities. The Government puts in place a plan to round up and incarerate all Muslims

Russia launches a massive nuclear attack on Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Kosovo and Turkey, telling the Americans the Muslim scourge must be eliminated. Russia and America however do not become allies and the US come to the aide of Turkey, but do nothing knowing Russia would unleash nuclear weapons on America.

Russia continues attacking Muslim cities and armies all over the old Soviet Union and the world however, a rogue group of officers in the Russian military steal 20 nuclear weapons, some are Muslim and vowl to use the weapons against the American mainland and even Russian cities. India's ground assault begins in Pakistan while both Israel and Iran and now uninhabitable

 

 

END OF DAY ONE

 

 

At sunset, the death toll so far is 240 million, with millions more missing, injured, and homeless. The call to pray is put out by the International Society for Krishna consciousness. All members and congregation takes to the streets of major cities around the world that have not been attacked and begin a 24 hour kirtan (chanting the Hare Krishna mantra) many in the public of all nationalities and religions join in.

 

 

 

DAY TWO???????

 

[Kulapavana]

That was 34 years ago and it has not happened yet. What is "Very recent, very recent future"? 50 years? maybe... but I do not take it as any kind of 'Prabhupada prophecy'. Prabhupada spoke of possibilities, and from the perspective of the Cold War such conflict seemed both likely and unavoidable. Today it is not. It can happen, but it is not likely.

[lokeshvara]

this sounds to me to be cold war fear. it didn't happen 30 years ago and will it happen in the future? possibly. but what use is worrying about. if it truly is nature's arangement then there is nothing we can do to prevent it and if it is not then we can prevent it. so worrying does no good either way.

 

it also sounds like the cold war has not ended but only moved. it's no longer democracy vs. communism but u.s. interests vs. the muslim world. the players may have changed but the game hasn't.

 

there is no use in living in fear, especially one who is in a relationship with the Lord.

 

let come what may come, do what is possible to ease global suffering, and know that this world is not what defines our existance.

[shivamohan]

Sounds like an excerpt from some Sci-fi book. Far away from reality.

 

I don't see any war in near future.

[hindustani]

 

Sounds like an excerpt from some Sci-fi book. Far away from reality.

 

I don't see any war in near future.

I agree:rolleyes:

[mahak]

World war began and never ended, and has been going on since the very beginning of time, when the human species lost their immortality. War is as natural as earthquakes and heart attacks.

 

The idea of "World War" is a puffed up invention of amerikkka. I mean, ask anyone when world war two began, and most likely the response will be 12-7-41, when the Japanese attacked pearl harbor. But in fact, world war two began the second the truce of world war one went into effect.

 

All the problems that will be cited as the reasons for WWIII have been brewing since the dawn of the industrial revolution, the late 1700s. Nixon said WWIII began with the 1978 Arab oil embargo.

 

But War was involuntarily created by Lord Brahma, who was going to destroy his creation because they were overpopulating this planet. Lord Siva advised him to have mercy on humans, so He did, but when he did, a being named Martyadevi was created, and she was told to kill them all. Because she steadfastly refused to do this and walked away, her refusal made war, famine, disease, and all the things we think are responsible for death. Since that time, the intelligent know this place as Martyaloka, the place where everyone dies, and only fools cry over that fact.

 

Hare Krsna, ys, mahaksadasa

[AncientMariner]

 

World war began and never ended, and has been going on since the very beginning of time, when the human species lost their immortality. War is as natural as earthquakes and heart attacks.

 

The idea of "World War" is a puffed up invention of amerikkka. I mean, ask anyone when world war two began, and most likely the response will be 12-7-41, when the Japanese attacked pearl harbor. But in fact, world war two began the second the truce of world war one went into effect.

 

All the problems that will be cited as the reasons for WWIII have been brewing since the dawn of the industrial revolution, the late 1700s. Nixon said WWIII began with the 1978 Arab oil embargo.

 

But War was involuntarily created by Lord Brahma, who was going to destroy his creation because they were overpopulating this planet. Lord Siva advised him to have mercy on humans, so He did, but when he did, a being named Martyadevi was created, and she was told to kill them all. Because she steadfastly refused to do this and walked away, her refusal made war, famine, disease, and all the things we think are responsible for death. Since that time, the intelligent know this place as Martyaloka, the place where everyone dies, and only fools cry over that fact.

 

Hare Krsna, ys, mahaksadasa

 

 

That seems to be pretty much the harsh truth of the situation regardless of the political situation of the world and its impending consequences etc. Like that song by Jim Morrison, noone here gets out alive. Not in the physical sense anyway.

 

 

I like that rant by George Carlin about global warming. He was like I hate to tell you people but the Earth isn't going anywhere, it has survived much worse than us. Ask those people frozen in place in Pompei or people buried in the rubble of the Mexico City earthquakes how much of a threat to the Earth they think they are. Pack your sh*t folks, your going on a trip and the Earth will still be here.

[Svarupa]

 

World war began and never ended, and has been going on since the very beginning of time, when the human species lost their immortality. War is as natural as earthquakes and heart attacks.

 

The idea of "World War" is a puffed up invention of amerikkka. I mean, ask anyone when world war two began, and most likely the response will be 12-7-41, when the Japanese attacked pearl harbor. But in fact, world war two began the second the truce of world war one went into effect.

 

All the problems that will be cited as the reasons for WWIII have been brewing since the dawn of the industrial revolution, the late 1700s. Nixon said WWIII began with the 1978 Arab oil embargo.

 

But War was involuntarily created by Lord Brahma, who was going to destroy his creation because they were overpopulating this planet. Lord Siva advised him to have mercy on humans, so He did, but when he did, a being named Martyadevi was created, and she was told to kill them all. Because she steadfastly refused to do this and walked away, her refusal made war, famine, disease, and all the things we think are responsible for death. Since that time, the intelligent know this place as Martyaloka, the place where everyone dies, and only fools cry over that fact.

 

Hare Krsna, ys, mahaksadasa

 

A transcendental touch to this thread, very nice realization. Please post more of your wisdom

[suchandra]

 

A transcendental touch to this thread, very nice realization. Please post more of your wisdom

Our GBC Ravindra Svarupa das says, July 22, 2008 04:05 PM, WWIII is coming soon!

 

 

Ravindra Svarupa das, USA : Prabhupada—A Prophecy

 

Our print and electronic media abound in forecasts—weather, economic, scientific, political, fashion, and on and on. There’s a demand for forecasts. It helps to know the future. Therefore, we seek eagerly the vision of experts, the adept. Among these seers we must note that special class called sages or saints. Their forecasts are accorded the upgrade to prophecy, to revelation, since the divine is alleged to enlighten their visions.

So the followers of Shrila Prabhupada received his prediction, made on April 4, 1975, of the imminent outbreak of World War III. Taking his regular early morning constitutional, striding among an entourage of aides through the green fields of Mayapur, conversing about the delusions of modernity—of the “Western adventure”—Prabhupada suddenly said: “Now it will be smashed by the next war. Next war will come very soon.”

The devotees around him were shocked. It was hard to remember if this type of prediction had ever come from Prabhupada before. And the content of this prediction was especially alarming.

Prabhupada gave the specifics: The impending war would be a nuclear conflict between the two great contestants of the “cold war,” the USA and the USSR. The geopolitics of that global struggle, Prabhupada pointed out, had come to envelop the antagonistic states of India and Pakistan. India had become allied with the Soviet Union, and Pakistan with the United States. Prabhupada had read the news that soon the US would begin directly supplying arms to Pakistan.

World War III would begin with an attack on India by Pakistan, Prabhupada said. Then both Russia and America will be drawn in, and they will destroy each other with their arsenals of intercontinental ballistic missiles.

There is a somewhat fragmented recording of this conversation. Here is an extract from the transcript:

Paramahamsa: “Shrila Prabhupada, you said that this war will destroy the demonic civilization.”

Prabhupada: “Yes.”

Paramahamsa: “Does that mean that it’ll destroy all the cities and all the industries?”

Prabhupada: “War means destruction of all cities. That is natural. You have got experience in Europe so many times.”

Hamsaduta: “Cities and industries.”

Prabhupada: “Yes, that is the main target.”

The natural question was asked:

Hamsaduta: “So Prabhupada, is there something we should do to prepare ourselves for this disaster?”

Prabhupada: “What?”

Hamsaduta: “This coming war.”

Prabhupada: “You should simply prepare for chanting Hare Krishna.”

Hamsaduta: “That’s all?”

Prabhupada: “That’s all.”

I was in Mayapur myself on this occasion. Many devotees had gathered for the annual Gaura Purnima festival, and the word swiftly traveled through the assembled pilgrims, who were naturally quite electrified by the news of the impending outbreak of World War III.

It has come at last! After all, Americans of my generation, born around the end of WWII, had been expecting WWIII since we were in grade school. It claimed a very special place in the imagination of all of us who grew up in the 50s and 60s.

During those years in America, fear steadily increased. We heard that Russian spies had stolen the secret of the atomic bomb, and then that the Soviet Union was matching us step by step in the “arms race,” in deploying long-range bombers and later on missiles, both bearing lethal atomic payloads, calculated in megatons and megadeaths. In grade school we were indoctrinated in fear and our teachers drilled us weekly in protecting ourselves from atomic attack by crouching under our desks. We heard that Communist agents were infiltrating our institutions, stealing our secrets. Backyard fallout shelters became all the rage, and theologians and philosophers discussed in Life and Time the ethics of defending your shelter against your surviving neighbors.

The cold war was more personal to me than most. My mother’s parents had come to America as refugees from Russia—from Kiev and Odessa. My grandmother’s family having ended up on the losing side during the Communist revolution, she and her new husband escaped to the West with other relatives in a close encounter with Bolshevik bullets. My mother just managed to be born in America. She was named Natasha (after the heroine of Tolstoy’s great novel) and spoke Russian before she spoke English.

 

 

My father had enlisted as a private in the Georgia National Guard at the beginning of World War II, and he became commissioned as an officer in the regular Army during the conflict. In my parent’s wedding photo, both are in uniform—his displaying the crossed canons of the field artillery, hers the caduceus of the Army Nurse Corps. After the war, my father continued in the military.

He became a “cold warrior.” When he was stationed in Germany in the mid-fifties with the Second Armored Division, he was constantly away from home on “maneuvers.” These were field exercises in tanks, essentially rehearsals for the opening of World War III that could break out at any moment. This was the forecast: the vast armored divisions of the Warsaw Pact would pour into the plains of central Germany, where the NATO forces would contest them in a massive tank battle. At the war’s outbreak, my father would remain with his unit, while we, his “dependents,” would be swiftly evacuated. We had to maintain a fully packed bag on hand at all times so we could leave on twenty minute’s notice.

In the meantime, my Russian grandmother ran a dry cleaning shop near Dupont Circle in Washington, D.C. The Soviet Embassy at that time was not far away, and its personnel provided her with steady, loyal customers. One day I was standing behind the counter with her when two Russian diplomats came in, big solid men with wide red faces, both wearing grey double-breasted suits. I watched as she politely spoke with them in Russian while she transacted their business. As soon as the door ticked shut on their exit, my grandmother startled me by yelling out the explitive “Communists!” Her face contoured in revulsion, she spit forcefully on the floor.

Once on our way to feed the pigeons in Lafayette Park—a regular excursion—my grandmother and I encountered a pair of Soviet diplomats, suited as usual. As they stood conversing with my grandmother in Russian, they kept glancing down at me. After resuming our walk to the park, I asked my grandmother about the conversation. She said:“They were asking about you, sweetheart, and I told them you were my grandson. They said you were a good-looking boy, and I said that yes, you were very much like your father. And I told them that your father was an officer in the United States Army.” She said the words “officer in the United States Army” as if a brass fanfare played inaudibly behind it. “Oh,” I said, “and what did they say?” “They asked me,” my grandmother replied, “‘Will your grandson also become a soldier?’ And I said, ‘Yes! An officer!’”

Later, when I was in the ninth and tenth grades, we lived in a suburb of Philadelphia. My father had command of an air defense battalion, whose batteries of Nike-Ajax missiles ringed Philadelphia and Wilmington, constantly ready to shoot the attacking Russian bombers out of the sky.

After that, in Taiwan (“Free China”), my father, now as a military “advisor,” confronted the Red China across the strait with the more advanced Nike-Hercules missiles. They could carry nuclear warheads. The father of my girlfriend worked for something called the “Naval Auxiliary Communication Center.” In reality, it was the CIA. (No one was supposed to know this, but everyone did.) When her father went to work, he climbed aboard a spy plane and flew it far over the Chinese mainland.

Going off to college didn’t get me away from the war. In my first month, I spent several agonizing days with the other freshman in our dorm rooms during the Cuban missile crisis, following the news on radio, listening to the military aircraft roaring overhead, waiting for the signal to head for the shelters, waiting to be annihilated. We passed time discussing the end of the world.

So it was that in 1975 in Mayapur—not far from the Bangladesh border, situated on another geopolitical fault line between the two global powers—Prabhupada foresaw that the delicate balance of terror sustained by the superpowers, named Mutually Assured Destruction (M.A.D.), would finally tilt and bring the long dreaded nuclear cataclysm upon us.

Why is it that human history is filled with wars, one after another? Although no one wants them, they keep coming and coming.

Prabhupada offered a reason, which he repeated in books and lectures. For example, he wrote in a Shrimad Bhagavatam commentary to 4.26.5:

In this age of Kali the propensity for mercy is almost nil. Consequently there is always fighting and wars between men and nations. Men do not understand that because they unrestrictedly kill so many animals, they also must be slaughtered like animals in big wars. This is very much evident in the Western countries. In the West, slaughterhouses are maintained without restriction, and therefore every fifth or tenth year there is a big war in which countless people are slaughtered even more cruelly than the animals.

In lectures, Prabhupada would express himself more emotionally, as in this one in Los Angeles in 1973:

The desire is never satiated that “You have killed so many animals. Now you don’t—” No, he will go on, go on killing, killing, killing, killing, killing, killing. He is never satisfied, “Now I have killed so many. No more, stop.” No, there is no stoppage. . . . The injunction is “Thou shalt not kill,” but he will kill and kill and kill and kill, and still, he want to be satisfied. Just see. The Bible says, “Thou shalt not kill,” and they are simply engaged in killing business, and still they want to be happy. . . . Therefore Krishna says, “Yes, you be killed by occasional world war. You must be killed. You have created this situation. You must be killed. You may be American or Englishman or German or this or that. You may be very proud of your nationality. But you must be killed.” This is the position. Ishvarasya viceshtitam [the will of the Lord]: “You have killed so many animals. Now wholesale killing, one bomb. One atom bomb. Be killed.”

So we could understand, when Prabhupada prophecized in Mayapur, that the mercilessness of modern civilization—with its routinized slaughter of animals and humans on an industrial scale—had produced such a gigantic accumulation of evil that the reaction would soon fructify. No one doubted it. Devotees left the festival in a heighten state of urgency. Prabhupada made it clear that war’s arrival was a matter of months, not years.

Prabhupada said that our only preparation for the nuclear war should be to cultivate our chanting of the Hare Krishna maha-mantra. Nevertheless, I remember that waves of other kinds of preparations went through ISKCON. Some set out to ascertain particular locations kept safe from fallout by the winds and terrain. Others realizing the practical reason, dedicated themselves to Prabhupada’s long-standing desire for totally self-sufficient, agrarian communities. A few tapped into an extremist American survivalist tradition and dug bunkers, and shelters and stockpiled them with weapons.

So people prepared—some quite energetically—in a range of spiritual and material ways, but, as we all know, the war did not come. Gradually, as the months passed, the prophesied war stopped being a topic of conversation. More time passed. What happened? Could Prabhupada have been wrong? Perhaps devotees kept quiet from embarrassment over unexpressed doubts or from simple confusion.

For myself, I became increasingly curious. A prediction like that was so uncharacteristic of Prabhupada, and yet he had expressed it strongly, unequivocally, and publically. My own experience with Prabhupada showed me that he was preternaturally alert, and that his mind worked swifter and surer than anyone I had ever met. I did not think he could have been merely wrong.

Sometime, probably toward the end of 1976 or early in 1977, I asked a few leaders close to Prabhupada about the prediction. Had Prabhupada said anything concerning the war’s non-occurrence?

As it turned out he had. A member of the Governing Body—I don’t remember now who it was—told me: “Yeah, some of us asked Prabhupada about it. He said the war didn’t happen because Krishna changed his mind.” Another confirmed this account.

I was fascinated by Prabhupada’s answer. Of course, I recognized how someone skeptical could just dismiss his response as a kind of a cover-up for a mistake. But I knew Prabhupada better than that. I took his answer seriously, and it intrigued me. I found his answer raised two compelling issues. One concerned general theological and philosophical principles. It had never occurred to me before that God could change his mind. But—why not? Should we limit him, forbidding him what we do all the time? But if Krishna can and does change his mind, what does that imply about the nature of time, and of the specific character of the future?

The other issue was somewhat more concrete. Why should God change his mind? What would cause him to do so? And in this case, what specifically happened to make him change his mind to cancel the immanent World War III?

Over the ensuing years, I explored these issues. It proved to be an interesting and rewarding pursuit.

 

—to be continued next week—

[bija]

 

there is no use in living in fear, especially one who is in a relationship with the Lord. by lokeshvara

http://www.sheridanhill.com/freeing.html

 

Read this book a few years ago, very insightful about the nature of fear. One segment in particular was about the fear developed in our group consciousness after Hiroshima. And its lingering effect. Prabhupada made these quotes after experience of that world changing event - the potential capability for man to destroy itself (never before seen in our western history).

 

I would love George Bush to read this book, and see the consequence of our action, which can last for generations. He may have his call from God then (universal responsibility) - otherwise its just self-delusion his divine call IMHO.

 

If Big Mac (McCain) becomes the new US president (with his own war credential), I hope his Junior Burger (vice president) is more considerate of the consequence of action and how that effects future generations, than Mr Cheney was. (please forgive my dark humor its not really funny)

 

 

 

 

 

<small>Freeing the Soul From Fear <small> <small> </small></small></small> © 1999 Sheridan Hill

 

Freeing the Soul From Fear, Robert Sardello's third book, shines a relentless light on fear, but it is mainly about love. Sardello, whose perspective grows from a 20-year practice as a depth psychologist, maintains that the real power of fear lives in our wish to avoid it. He carefully explores the fragmenting effects of fear and describes how we might meet fear with its only antidote-- love.

Freeing the Soul From Fear is based on Sardello's premise that soul is not an entity but a capacity, and freeing it involves "participating in fear, not naively, but with the greatest intensity of consciousness and attention we are able to muster." He recommends developing a more sensory awareness of the world, and becoming familiar with the "field" between us and others. He proposes that by awakening our senses to what occurs in the field, we can invite soul back into our living being and find the courage to face our fears.

His previous book, Love and the Soul, asks, How can I love you in a way that frees you? Questions raised in this third book range from interesting (How do we love the unpleasant aspects of another person?), to difficult (What does consciousness consist of?), to those that are nearly impossible (Why are we here?).

A chapter on artistic living reminds readers that bringing the arts into our lives integrates the physical with soul and spirit. Musicians, writers, and artists, who work toward truth in a bodily way, show us that our feelings are not our possessions: the colors and sounds of an average day are loaded with feeling. Poets show us how to "jump into the abyss of not knowing, and there let language come to us and speak through us."

Included in the book are exercises designed to counter the constricting effects of fear. The main tools required of the reader are imagination and a willingness to re-imagine work life, relationships, our experience of the speed of time, and our perceptions of anxiety.

If there is a problem with Freeing the Soul, it is that it asks so much of us. For instance, to abandon the idea that we should find new ways to speak to soul, and instead to make ourselves available for soul to speak to us. Then again, perhaps we are only asked to live out of our inherent spiritual nature. As the poet Antonio Machado wrote, “After living and dreaming comes what matters most: waking up."

Sardello chaired the psychology department at the University of Dallas and co-founded the Dallas Institute of Humanities and Culture, where he worked closely with James Hillman and Thomas Moore in the 1980s.

A book jacket quote from Thomas Moore reads: "Robert Sardello is one of the most creative thinkers I know. He writes from a combination of breathtaking originality with heartfelt compassion."

Robert Sardello <small>co-founded the School of Spiritual Psychology, which offers courses throughout the U.S., Canada, and England and can be reached at 336- 279-8259.</small>

Read more about Sardello's work:

 

 

<small> Creating soulful relationships for

the future of the world</small>

 

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Love and the World: A conscious guide to soul practice

 

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Dying Awake the daily practice of dying is a profound act of soul-making.

 

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[bhaktajan]

This is for Bija:

You must check out this woman's writting regarding how to preceive illness by seeing the relationship of the illness to a person's life-pursuits/chakra/personality/vocational architype.

 

I'm sure it will hit a chord with you --and that you would then be able to apply subsequent insights to the state of the world today.

 

Bhaktajan

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http://www.myss.com/

 

Below are reviews/synopsis of her books.

 

She has been around for just over 10 years.

 

Her first works are most essential--her later works seemed 'forced'.

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Why People Don't Heal and How They Can -- by Caroline Myss

 

Overcome the Hidden Barriers to Healing with America's Leading Medical Intuitive

On this stunning audio edition of the national PBS special with Dr. Caroline Myss, this acclaimed authority on the energetics of healing dares to take listeners to a hidden realm of the human body, beyond Western myths about healing - yielding a hope-giving program for health unlike any other.

 

For over 15 years, Dr. Myss has worked face to face with the real experts on this controversial subject: thousands of people challenged by illensses that failed to respond to conventional treatment.

 

As a medical intuitive, Dr. Myss saw beyond their physical complaints - and indentified the greatest block to healing in our culture today. She shows that when we stop using illness as a way to gain power and intimacy with others, we stop wasting our sacred energy.

 

It then becomes available, not only for self-healing, but for spiritual fulfillment. Here is a bold new vision of healing, presented by Dr. Myss in her own words, that will electrify you with its unlimited possibilities for improved health and spiritual connection. Includes an exclusive interview with Dr. Myss available nowhere else.

 

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Anatomy of the Spirit-- by Caroline Myss

 

 

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Encoded within your body, teaches Dr. Myss, is an energy system linking you directly to the world's great spiritual traditions. Through it you have direct access to the divine energy that seamlessly connects all life. On Anatomy of the Spirit, Dr. Myss offers a stunning picture of the human body's hidden energetic structures, while revealing its precise spiritual code and relationship to the sacred energy of creation. Our most revered wisdom traditions, including Judaism, Christianity, and Hinduism, hold in common essential teachings about seven specific levels of spiritual development, the stages of power in life.

 

These seven great truths also grace the human body as an energetic system, a spiritual compass pointing the way to the divine. By honoring this inborn code, you can learn to see the symbolic blocks within your energy centers and their correlations with your health, relationships, and spiritual development. Richly interwoven with research, examples, and self-diagnostic guidelines, Anatomy of the Spirit will take you to the heart of the spiritual life and beyond.

 

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After two New York Times bestsellers, several highly-rated appearances on The Oprah Show, and packed audiences at live events across the country, Caroline Myss has emerged as a leading new voice in the healing arts revolution. Her millions of loyal followers are waiting to hear what she has to teach them next. And now the wait is over. On Sacred Contracts, Dr. Myss helps listeners take the next step in their personal evolutions, through the use of archetypes as tools for self-transformation. First identified by the legendary psychiatrist and author C.G. Jung, archetypes are symbols for unconscious energies and potentials held in common by all of humanity. Dr. Myss identifies a “tool box” of 12 major archetypal patterns, and explains their roles in the “alchemy of spirituality.” Listeners join this respected medical intuitive as she explores how we can identify our personal archetypes, uncover their higher purpose, and then work with them for self-understanding and spiritual development. Shared with her hallmark humor, honesty, and intelligence, Sacred Contracts is the audio publishing event of the season – and a welcome new resource for fans of Dr. Myss everywhere. Original adaptation of the book by the author. 5 CDs, 6 hours, 32-page study guide

 

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Editorial Reviews

From Publishers Weekly

Starred Review. Fans of Myss's earlier books (Sacred Contracts, etc.), which drew inspiration from such diverse traditions as Indian medicine and ancient divination methods, may be surprised at how thoroughly entrenched her new book is in the Western religious tradition. In the preface, she discusses how an out-of-the blue seizure and a midlife hunger for an authentic spiritual practice set her exploring the mystical tradition of her childhood Catholic faith. Using St. Teresa of Ávila's metaphor of the "interior castle" as a template, Myss challenges readers to get in touch with their own souls and shows how they can then lead deeper, more joyous lives. Every chapter is packed with meditations that help to either clean out the detritus that prevents spiritual growth or prepare for a mystical meeting with God. Interspersed are supportive stories of those who have gone before on the path. While Myss explicitly states that readers need not become Catholic or even Christian to enter the castle, some may be turned off by how little she incorporates other traditions. Even so, the material clearly springs from a deeply personal place and every page rings with the passion and intensity of someone who has finally found what she was seeking. (Mar. 6)

Reed Business Information, a division of Reed Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved.

 

Review

"Entering the Castle is...based on St. Teresa's seven interior mansions, which are explained and elaborated here...so beautifully, clearly, compassionately, lightheartedly, wondrously...[as] seven steps...to your own deepest self or soul. Teresa became not only a spiritual woman who had written a brilliant practice manual, but a saint who saved Caroline's life, showed her her soul, awakened her heart, and set her on the never-ending...timelessly fulfilled road of practice. I just know that Teresa would say 'amen' to this luminous book as the fruit of her calling to you, a calling to all of us to be mystics without monasteries in a world sorely in need of a touch of the divine...the true self in each and every one of us."

 

-- From the foreword by Ken Wilber, author of A Brief History of Everything and Integral Spirituality

 

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[Bishadi]

and before that war, who is supposed to show up?

[bija]

thx Jan. i have wanted to read a little of Carolyn's work but have not had time. Heard her one time on ABC National Australia radio Spirit of Things Program by Rachel Kohn (Rachel is awesome in some ways):

 

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/spiritofthings/default.htm

 

I was surprised that Carolyn seemed quite tuff...I think her father was military from memory. I have not read her work yet due to a small bias in my heart, I thought she might be a bit new age (I am probably wrong). Been looking at the Entering the Castle book though, the way of the mystic is very attractive for me, being raised a catholic.

 

What I love Jan is to relate various reading back to my krsna conscious faith, so that I can relate naam-bhakti-yoga to a broader public in their terminolgy. The more I look at the path we have chosen Jan I am amazed how brilliant and simple Sri Caitanya is, and how his vision can be applied in many diverse ways for many people.

 

This concept of illness as a positive catalyst is very interesting for me. The soul is wonderful with so many qualities (like depth), and the tiny souls are a wonderful treasure of Big Soul IMHO. I am sure God relishes jiva tattva as a part of Himself, to add to His absolute nature and completeness.

 

Thx Jan when I get some spondoola I will re-look at Entering the Castle book.

[bija]

 

and before that war, who is supposed to show up? by bishadi

Well in the book of revelations two prophets are supposed to come to the holy land before the coming armageddon....I have two air tickets...lets go!But we have to die and raise again...we must leave some legacy lol!