Rare Chart-Guy Out of World-Case study for learners

[unanth]

Hi,

 

This chart may help learners. The guy had and still is in a state of stillness with respect to outside world.

 

He was an outspoken, brilliant, aggressive guy with a very dashing nature. He completed this gradaution and computers course with me and moved ahead in career at a early age of 19.. He worked for a medium software firm for 3 years and later shifted to Satyam Computers in October 2000. He worked there for 6 months with a very good salary which was then a very high paid one..

And in March 2001.. He simply for no good reason resigned and came home and went into his room, with no activity kind of state for 4 years, something like maharshis with long hair and beard and things.. He never spoke to anyone and was reduced to skeleton due to lack of eating. I think he was fed a bare minimum.

After 4 years he was by force made to look normal by grooming by friends..

After that he is now looking better than that and he is talking to people. He eats, goes out, wil ahve tea and cmoe back home. He can remember things very remarkably. He can remember names of people/friends, my house number, his birthday, lessons of his education, all these dated back 15 years ago but has no presence of mind.. his is not in PRESENT. He is just existing ..

His parents they say have tried most spiritual and medical remedies they know in vain.

 

Still there is no activity. He is eating and living like an infant. Also He often looks at nothing and speaks as if he is looking at someone invisble to others.

 

His details

DOB 21 Dec 1977

Time 01.00 am

Place Madurai, Tamil Nadu, India

 

He is living in Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh

[astro_tech]

Dear Unanth

 

Can you provide his physical attributes like height, physique, face (oval or round)?

 

And also, what is the source of birth details (especially the time of birth)? Can there be some difference of 5-10 minutes on either side or it is fairly accurate?

[unanth]

Hello Rajshekharji,

 

Nice to see You here once again..

 

He is 5 feet 10 inches height. Almost Round face. Slim.

Source is his mothers word and there is a chance of 5-10 minutes variation. But mostly accurate his mother mentioned.

 

Regards,

Ananth

[surentharp]

Lagna lord in the 4th house endows a person with an emotional bent of mind, creating a heart centered temperament deeply concerned with home and happiness. Yet this placement also render a person emotionally sensitive and if afflicted can make a person prone to psychological disorders. Then the person will take whatever happens to them in an emotional manner for good or ill.

 

Here the lagna lord is afflicted by the Sun in the fourth house

 

It will be more active in the dasa consisting the lagna lord, Since any combination is not possible try Vimsottari dasa, the year that you indicated is (2001) Sun dasa Mercury antardasa, it the antar dasa of afflicted lagna lord of afflicting Sun MD.

 

so try to increase the strength of lagna lord mercury, pray to Lord Narayana.

 

P.S: In general he will be home sick, try to give him more confidence by telling him that he has potential of doing anything and i'm sure that he will bounce back to normal position. The only thing that he needed is security and love.

[Bhaaskaran]

Dear Unath,

The exacerbation of similar symptoms as 2001 may happen again because from 13/8/2008 to 5/1/2010 is Mercury bukti in Moon Dasa, which is similar to Sun Dasa and Mercury bukti in 2001 to certain extent.

Moon is in the 8<SUP>th</SUP> house and on Barani star ( maraka 2<SUP>nd</SUP> lord) and retrograde mercury is in combustion state by Sun (12<SUP>th</SUP> lord) in fiery sign of Sagittarius. Mercury and sun together on Mool star ( ruled by Ketu).

If you can see from 12/9/2000 till 15/7/2001, it was Sun Dasa and Mercury bukti.

** I am using 360 days dasa calculation ( savana years)

The best remedy for now should be for mercury ( lagna lord and 10 house lord).

Here are some well known remedies:

Worship Lord Vishnu

Recite Vishnu sahasranama

Wear Ten Mukhi Maha-Vishnu Rudraksha

Keep fasts on wednesdays

Offer “Leaves of Tulsi" to Lord Vishnu.

Japa/Recite the Budha beeja mantra: Om bram breem broum sah budhaya namah, 17000 times in 48 days.

All the above remedies should be undertaken by the mother/father or sibling as the person concerned is not able to do it by himself.

Best of luck,

[deepa.bhandari]

Bhaaskaranji,

 

In many recent posts you chose to look down upon technical sounding astro-analyses. What brings you back to it? In fact I thought you have elevated to well meant spiritual healing because in meenakshikamadenu's last post you said change of lagna makes no difference to the chart.

 

Regards

Deepa

[hindustani]

I am not fit to comment perhaps on this thread but can't stop myself after reading it again and again.I wonder what went wrong with this guy?And as per my advise you should gift him this being closed friend of yours...........

 

32+1 beads panch mukhi Rudraksha Kantha mala,I am 100% sure that he will wear it.Please do pran pratishtha of mala first before you give to him,if you are interested to know more on this I can tell you how to do pranpratishtha of mala.I can also give you an address(hope you recide in A.P)from where you can get genuine mala.Recently I advised same mala to a guy who was having all kinds of troubles,can't write much about his problems in open forum but I got his mail and he says things are turing normal for him.

[unanth]

Dear surentharpji, Thanks for Your analysis and remedies. I will convey this to their parents.

Dear Bhaaskaranji, Thanks for Your analysis and remedies. Also i wil convey to their parents all the remedies You advised and as You said the past situation may recur, i will impress upon them that they religiously follow the remedies.

Dear hindustaniji, Thanks for Your explicit interest. Everyone is fit to comment I feel as there is no end for learning and contribution. Perhaps I may have to gift him what You said. I wil try to do my best and afford it as i myself am in a situation. But i wil help him. Yes I am in AP, Hyderabad. Please tell me how to do Prana Prathista of Mala and the address of the shop. Is it in MG road by chance?

 

This is great learning for me as a case study. Hope this is a learning for others too who may be viewing and studying..

Hope this continues to give better insights....

 

Regards,

Unanth

[Ravindran Kesavan]

Dear Unanth,

 

I am not giving an astrological advise, but a medical one. It seems to me by the symptoms , that this person is suffereing from a form of Schizophrenia - a kind of mental disorder. Lack of interest in the job, world, life, withdrawal from worldly activities lack of personal care, and refusal to eat all points to this diagnosis.

 

Do check with his parents whether they consulted any psychotherapist/psychiatrist. If they have not yet done it it is worth while to do that.

 

Schizophrenia is a difficult disorder to cure permanantly and there is a high chances of relapse periodically. However the person can be recovered, with the healp of medicines , from complete vegitative state of existence , though he can never be effective and indipendant as before.

 

I am not sure but only hypothesing , from the description . But it is worthwile to rule out this possibility.

 

Regards,

K.Ravindran

[sasisekaran_pti]

om gurubhyo namah

 

namaste

 

dear shri.unanth

 

venus , atmakaraka is in gandanta. venus placed in vrichika, a mystic

sign is under bhandana by ketu and mars. venus is placed twelfth to

arudha lagna.

 

lagna is very close to rahu.

 

lagna lord is aspected by the bhadaka guru. the orb is very tight.

 

mars, ketu and bhadaka are placed in eigth in navamsa.

 

the problem surfaced in the period of venus pratyantra

 

Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

 

Sun MD: 1997-03-19 - 2003-03-19

Merc AD: 2001-01-07 - 2001-11-15

 

Pratyantardasas in this AD:

 

Merc: 2001-01-07 - 2001-02-18

Ket: 2001-02-18 - 2001-03-08

Ven: 2001-03-08 - 2001-04-29 >>>> left job, start of problem

Sun: 2001-04-29 - 2001-05-15

Moon: 2001-05-15 - 2001-06-10

Mars: 2001-06-10 - 2001-06-29

Rah: 2001-06-29 - 2001-08-16

Jup: 2001-08-16 - 2001-09-27

Sat: 2001-09-27 - 2001-11-15

 

since lagna is stronger than moon, dasas can be seen from lagna too.

in which case

 

Vimsottari Dasa (started from lagna):

 

Rah MD: 1989-12-20 - 2007-12-21

Ket AD: 2000-06-19 - 2001-07-08

Sat PD: 2001-03-13 - 2001-05-14 >>> sixth lord

 

if mool dasa is looked into, the role of saturn and rahu are clearly seen.

 

Moola Dasa (dasa showing the root of events - past karma):

 

Rah MD: 1988-12-20 - 2001-12-21

Merc AD: 1999-10-23 - 2001-05-17

Sat PD: 2001-01-24 - 2001-05-17

 

all three are sitting in navamsa lagna .

 

since saturn is pitri karaka in the chart, pitri dosha may please

attended to.

 

can you pl confirm if the birth was during dec 20/21 night ? also confirm

if the birth was normal or cesarian .

 

may mother bless all

 

regards

 

sasisekarn

[surentharp]

 

om gurubhyo namah

 

namaste

 

dear shri.unanth

 

venus , atmakaraka is in gandanta. venus placed in vrichika, a mystic

sign is under bhandana by ketu and mars. venus is placed twelfth to

arudha lagna.

 

lagna is very close to rahu.

 

lagna lord is aspected by the bhadaka guru. the orb is very tight.

 

mars, ketu and bhadaka are placed in eigth in navamsa.

 

the problem surfaced in the period of venus pratyantra

 

Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

 

Sun MD: 1997-03-19 - 2003-03-19

Merc AD: 2001-01-07 - 2001-11-15

 

Pratyantardasas in this AD:

 

Merc: 2001-01-07 - 2001-02-18

Ket: 2001-02-18 - 2001-03-08

Ven: 2001-03-08 - 2001-04-29 >>>> left job, start of problem

Sun: 2001-04-29 - 2001-05-15

Moon: 2001-05-15 - 2001-06-10

Mars: 2001-06-10 - 2001-06-29

Rah: 2001-06-29 - 2001-08-16

Jup: 2001-08-16 - 2001-09-27

Sat: 2001-09-27 - 2001-11-15

 

since lagna is stronger than moon, dasas can be seen from lagna too.

in which case

 

Vimsottari Dasa (started from lagna):

 

Rah MD: 1989-12-20 - 2007-12-21

Ket AD: 2000-06-19 - 2001-07-08

Sat PD: 2001-03-13 - 2001-05-14 >>> sixth lord

 

if mool dasa is looked into, the role of saturn and rahu are clearly seen.

 

Moola Dasa (dasa showing the root of events - past karma):

 

Rah MD: 1988-12-20 - 2001-12-21

Merc AD: 1999-10-23 - 2001-05-17

Sat PD: 2001-01-24 - 2001-05-17

 

all three are sitting in navamsa lagna .

 

since saturn is pitri karaka in the chart, pitri dosha may please

attended to.

 

can you pl confirm if the birth was during dec 20/21 night ? also confirm

if the birth was normal or cesarian .

 

may mother bless all

 

regards

 

sasisekarn

Shri Sasisekarn ji,

 

as i'm a learner in astrology i have some doubts in the above quote,

 

1. Is the Lagna lord is strong?,

 

Why i had this doubt because in one of the audio's of Shri PVR had said that in human chart we have to use the dasa starting from moon if and only if lagna lord is soo strong we have to look into Vimsottari seed strength

 

2. Is that Saturn is pitri karaka?

 

Why i had this doubt because i'm using Jhora software by default ayanamsa but it shows Saturn is GK

 

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Natal Chart

 

December 21, 1977

Time: 1:00:00

Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

Place: 78 E 07' 00", 9 N 56' 00"

Madurai, India

Altitude: 0.00 meters

 

Lunar Yr-Mo: Pingala - Margasira

Tithi: Sukla Ekadasi (Ma) (28.88% left)

Vedic Weekday: Tuesday (Ma)

Nakshatra: Bharani (Ve) (96.35% left)

Yoga: Siva (Me) (56.71% left)

Karana: Vishti (Sa) (57.76% left)

Hora Lord: Moon (5 min sign: Sg)

Mahakala Hora: Moon (5 min sign: Pi)

Kaala Lord: Mars (Mahakala: Mars)

 

Sunrise: 6:32:21 (December 20)

Sunset: 17:57:45 (December 20)

Janma Ghatis: 46.1520

 

Ayanamsa: 23-32-57.74

Sidereal Time: 6:39:32

 

 

 

 

Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa

 

Lagna 16 Vi 26' 53.20" Hast 2 Vi Ta

Sun - DK 5 Sg 17' 06.69" Mool 2 Sg Ta

Moon - BK 13 Ar 49' 10.98" Bhar 1 Ar Le

Mars ® - AmK 17 Cn 39' 33.09" Asre 1 Cn Sg

Mercury ® - PK 7 Sg 04' 52.21" Mool 3 Sg Ge

Jupiter ® - PiK 7 Ge 49' 28.68" Ardr 1 Ge Sg

Venus - AK 27 Sc 31' 35.35" Jye 4 Sc Pi

Saturn ® - GK 6 Le 56' 21.65" Magh 3 Le Ge

Rahu - MK 17 Vi 36' 05.05" Hast 3 Vi Ge

Ketu 17 Pi 36' 05.05" Reva 1 Pi Sg

Maandi 15 Ge 46' 32.05" Ardr 3 Ge Aq

Gulika 4 Ge 57' 59.66" Mrig 4 Ge Sc

Bhava Lagna 11 Vi 24' 52.16" Hast 1 Vi Ar

Hora Lagna 18 Ge 19' 35.78" Ardr 4 Ge Pi

Ghati Lagna 9 Li 03' 46.64" Swat 1 Li Sg

Vighati Lagna 22 Ar 44' 40.93" Bhar 3 Ar Li

Varnada Lagna 16 Sg 26' 53.20" PSha 1 Sg Ar

Sree Lagna 29 Vi 34' 49.58" Chit 2 Vi Vi

Pranapada Lagna 23 Le 31' 39.08" PPha 4 Le Sc

Indu Lagna 13 Cp 49' 10.98" Srav 2 Cp Ta

Dhooma 18 Ar 37' 06.69" Bhar 2 Ar Vi

Vyatipata 11 Pi 22' 53.31" UBha 3 Pi Li

Parivesha 11 Vi 22' 53.31" Hast 1 Vi Ar

Indra Chapa 18 Li 37' 06.69" Swat 4 Li Pi

Upaketu 5 Sc 17' 06.69" Anu 1 Sc Le

Kaala 29 Cn 45' 28.74" Asre 4 Cn Pi

Mrityu 17 Vi 04' 46.05" Hast 3 Vi Ge

Artha Prahara 10 Li 34' 31.29" Swat 2 Li Cp

Yama Ghantaka 3 Sc 03' 03.46" Visa 4 Sc Cn

Prana Sphuta 27 Vi 12' 25.65" Chit 2 Vi Vi

Deha Sphuta 25 Vi 31' 27.47" Chit 1 Vi Le

Mrityu Sphuta 10 Pi 03' 04.29" UBha 3 Pi Li

Sookshma TriSphuta 2 Pi 46' 57.41" PBha 4 Pi Cn

TriSphuta 5 Sg 14' 03.83" Mool 2 Sg Ta

ChatusSphuta 10 Le 31' 10.52" Magh 4 Le Cn

PanchaSphuta 28 Cp 07' 15.57" Dhan 2 Cp Vi

V2 16 Ta 26' 53.20" Rohi 2 Ta Cn

V3 16 Ar 26' 53.20" Bhar 1 Ar Le

V4 16 Ta 26' 53.20" Rohi 2 Ta Sc

V5 16 Sg 26' 53.20" PSha 1 Sg Sg

V6 16 Vi 26' 53.20" Hast 2 Vi Pi

V7 16 Le 26' 53.20" PPha 1 Le Ar

V8 16 Ta 26' 53.20" Rohi 2 Ta Cn

V9 16 Ar 26' 53.20" Bhar 1 Ar Le

V10 16 Ta 26' 53.20" Rohi 2 Ta Sc

V11 16 Le 26' 53.20" PPha 1 Le Sg

V12 16 Vi 26' 53.20" Hast 2 Vi Pi

Kunda 12 Vi 17' 49.10" Hast 1 Vi Ar

 

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sorry for the inconvenience, as i had seen soo many pervious post of yours, your predictions are certainly great

 

i'm once again clearing that i have no intentions in my mind to disturb you, i just want only clarification of my doubt.

 

Thankyou

[sasisekaran_pti]

om gurubhyo namah

 

namaste

 

dear shri,surentharp

 

sorry , it was my mistake to call saturn as pitri karaka

 

saturn shows preta chaapa. ( dear shri.unanth, note this)

 

lagna sputa can also be considered. lagna is definitely very much

stronger than moon.

 

no inconvenience is experienced when questions are thrown. it is an

exercise to correct ourselves when we commit mistakes and learn

when we give explanations

 

may mother bless all

 

regards

 

sasisekaran

[Coolgimmy]

Namaste Shashikaranji,

 

On this chart you have mentioned about preta chaapa. What does preta chaapa mean? Are u referring here to Rashi or Navamsha chart. Is it related to joining of saturn and rahu in one house? Actually I was awaiting your analysis for this thread.

 

Regards/

 

Coolgimmy

[surentharp]

Shri Sasisekaran ji,

 

yes here there is a parivartana between mercury and jupiter in rasi and d9, we can use the dasa using lagna sphuta as reference.

 

thank you

[sasisekaran_pti]

om gurubhyo namah

 

namaste

 

dear shri.coolgimmy

 

in shastiamsa , jupiter the bhadaka is associated with saturn and

aspected by mars. bhadaka's curse is severe.

 

venus, the atma karaka too is found cursing since it is with mars

and aspected by saturn.

 

the problem occured during the saturn's pratyantar. while the

maha dasa is related to sun, the antar dasa is related to moon

and the pratyantar is related to lagna, or the dhi sakthi.

 

the affliction caused by saturn generally comes because of

preta chaapa or dukha . saturn is also the sixth lord in rasi

showing the manifestation during its period.

 

any association of bhadaka and sixth lord shows "abichara".

in navamsa, jupiter placed in eight is in real trouble afflicted

by too many malefics. eigth in navamsa shows the adharma .

doctors will find such cases very difficult to solve.

 

may mother bless all

 

regards

 

sasisekaran

[Coolgimmy]

Namaste Shashikaranji,

 

I have some questions on the atmakaraka like in the above case Venus is the atmakaraka and is combust and/or aspected by maleifics. What if maleifics are atmakarakas? What will be the results when they are aspected by maleifics and benefics in different divisional charts like say Navamsha or Shashtiamsha?

 

Do we consider graha drishti only or rashi drishti as well in determining the results?

 

In the above case, Jupiter is the badhaka as well as pitrukaraka. Will it give bad results related to seventh house or related to father or both? Does the role of badhaka varies from one divisional chart to another?

 

Regards/

 

Coolgimmy

[sasisekaran_pti]

om gurubhyo namah

 

namaste

 

dear shri.coolgimmy

 

any one of the graha has to be an atmakaraka. irrespective of

its nature, if it is afflicted too much, it would give experience at

soul level. a religious head was accused of muder in the past.

His atmakaraka is jupiter. during the moola dasa of jupiter he

was arrested by the police. jupiter is with mars and caught

in bhandana between saturn and ketu. rahu placed in dhanus

caused him bramha hati dosha - of killing a human being .

 

bhadaka is to be seen as any other planet. for example to

know the quality of married life, we look at the seventh lord

of rasi in navamsa. if it is found deblitated, then there is

some shortcoming.

 

bhadaka would certainly affect the areas it controls by housewise

as well as karakawise.

 

may mother bless all

 

regards

 

sasisekaran

[Coolgimmy]

Namaste Shashikaranji,

 

Thank you very much for your reply. I am quite slow in understanding the rules and therefore would request you to please confirm my understand with the eg below:

 

For eg Pisces is the lagna and therefore mercury becomes badhaka. Now if mercury is in the 10th house then there will be job related problems and if the same mercury is putrakaraka then the person will have problems related to progeny? Will seventh house the badhakasthana cause problem as well in terms of relations in spite of benefic aspects?

 

Regards/

 

Coolgimmy

[sasisekaran_pti]

om gurubhyo namah

 

namaste

 

dear shri.coolgimmy

 

yes.. the extent to which it causes difficulties must be judged

from other disruptive forces.

 

may mother bless all

 

regards

 

sasisekaran

[unanth]

Dear Sasisekaranji,

 

His birth was on 20th midnight 1.00, i.e. 21st early hours 1.00 am.

Delivery was normal not cesarian.

 

Yes i noted the point regarding Saturn not being pitru karaka. I think Jupiter is pitru karaka

 

Also I would be grateful if You clarify below doubts as i am learning.

 

* You said Lagna is stronger than Moon. How is this determined? is it by the degrees it passed in rasi?

*Vimsottari Dasa (started from lagna): for me is showing

Rah MD: 1990-2-17 to 2008-2-17

How is this? I am using Jhora 7.2 and default page of "Enter Birthdata"

Please tell me how to arrive at your given details and why it should be used that way?

* also if possible in brief tell me what we can deduce by using Vimsottari Dasa (started from lagna and moon)?

 

Regards,

Unanth

[unanth]

Dear K.Ravindran ji,

 

Thanks for Your advice. Definitely the medical intervention should not be ruled out as You said. His parents are also seeking help of a Psychiatrist.

 

Regards,

Unanth

[sasisekaran_pti]

om gurubhyo namah

 

namaste

 

dear shri.unanth

 

count the number of planets quadrant to moon and lagna.

whichever has more number of planets, is stronger.

if number of planets are equal , then if those kendras have additional

rasi aspect from jupiter, mercury and constellation lord of moon/lagna

makes the moon or lagna stronger.

 

in this case mars is one planet quadrant to moon while rahu, ketu,

mercury, sun and jupiter are quadrant to lagna.

 

the real reason for choosing either one is not known to me. it is

from the school of SJC. application of this principle in more number

of charts would throw light , which is left to us who are keen to learn

from many actual case studies.

 

the dasa period is sligtly different from of that i posted here because of

difference in ayanamsa factor which is found in preferences/related to

calculations/ayanamsa. i have chosen modified lahiri which is very close

to lahiri ayanamsa.

 

out of the two dasas we should in fact check many more incidents

related to the native. an indepth study of the chart alone would

reveal which dasa system works. we should also note that it is easier

said than done, since we are in the learning process and everything

would appear to be convincing. interpreting the past is easier than

when we go for predictions.

 

 

may mother bless all

 

regards

 

sasisekaran

[unanth]

Thanks sasisekaranji for precisely clarifying my questions..

[ppena]

 

Hi,

 

This chart may help learners. The guy had and still is in a state of stillness with respect to outside world.

 

He was an outspoken, brilliant, aggressive guy with a very dashing nature. He completed this gradaution and computers course with me and moved ahead in career at a early age of 19.. He worked for a medium software firm for 3 years and later shifted to Satyam Computers in October 2000. He worked there for 6 months with a very good salary which was then a very high paid one..

And in March 2001.. He simply for no good reason resigned and came home and went into his room, with no activity kind of state for 4 years, something like maharshis with long hair and beard and things.. He never spoke to anyone and was reduced to skeleton due to lack of eating. I think he was fed a bare minimum.

After 4 years he was by force made to look normal by grooming by friends..

After that he is now looking better than that and he is talking to people. He eats, goes out, wil ahve tea and cmoe back home. He can remember things very remarkably. He can remember names of people/friends, my house number, his birthday, lessons of his education, all these dated back 15 years ago but has no presence of mind.. his is not in PRESENT. He is just existing ..

His parents they say have tried most spiritual and medical remedies they know in vain.

 

Still there is no activity. He is eating and living like an infant. Also He often looks at nothing and speaks as if he is looking at someone invisble to others.

 

His details

DOB 21 Dec 1977

Time 01.00 am

Place Madurai, Tamil Nadu, India

 

He is living in Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh

 

Has anyone actually tried TALKING to him? Does he address speech directed at him?

 

From an astrological point of view he has 6 planets in mutable signs, 4 retrograde planets and Rahu is within 2 degrees of the ascendant!

 

All of these things give a heightened or sensitive nervous system and great psychic sensitivity. He went into this "Samadhi" during his Sun cycle which is lord of the 12th house of loss and disposits of Saturn. It is in the 4th house of the mind along with combust and retrograde Ascendant Lord Mercury.

 

So, yes, upayas for Mercury are excellent. Still this may be a very deep soul.

 

In the Navamsha we see so many planets on the 2nd-8th axis, a mutable axis too.

 

Rahu is causing much of the problem. He should wear Hessonite Garnet.

 

- Pablo

[unanth]

Pabloji,

 

Thanks for your response and advice regarding Gemstone.

 

Yes, we tried talking to him. He talks but he is always lost in some thoughts. He responds but in a vague way like when someone is lost in deep thinking and when we pat them and ask a question, the way they respond, that way he responds.

Yes Rahu is playnig a major role in this I too opine.