sasisekaran_pti Posted September 2, 2008 Report Share Posted September 2, 2008 om gurubhyo namah namaste dear coolgimmy please down load files from "srigaruda" too , which is hosted by shri.visti larsen. take the the lords from the rasi and asses their strenth in navamsa. i am waiting for marriage details to help understand from navamsa. navamsa falls in the border in case 1. since navamsa is god given, what we are destined is shown there. in case 1, the seventh lord venus is associating with rahu and mars placed in mesha , a tamasic sign in navamsa. probably his wife refused to join him after marriage because of his 'excess'. since you raise this question , in case 2, the seventh lord venus is placed in vrichika - a bhadaka sthana in navamsa. may mother bless all regards sasisekaran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rohini_nakshatra Posted September 2, 2008 Report Share Posted September 2, 2008 Dear Sasisekaran ji, thanks for your detailed answers. I need more experience to get a feel for all these factors. Whether sun and ketu cause curse or not. I hope I didn't offend you by giving conflicting views to your own. Actually, I have the same navamsa lagna problem in my chart, and don't know how to rectify it. So rahu in lagna can cause a caesarian birth. does venus in navamsa lagna also cause anything specific? What about the other planets. Does Mars or Saturn in navamsa lagna cause difficult birth, for example? Another reason for confusion is that there is ambiguity in the meaning for swamsa. in some places it means navamsa lagna, in some it means karakamsa. How to distinguish between abilities shown from navamsa lagna, and those from atmakaraka in navamsa? It is very difficult to differentiate. I have been trying for so long to correct my birthtime, but since it is my own it is almost impossible to be objective. Sasisekaran ji, I have a request. I know many details about the person whose chart I have given, as case 3. Can we discuss that chart while we are waiting for the details for the other ones? many thanks rohini Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anusha Posted September 3, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2008 Om gurubhyo namah namaste dear sow anusha and sow amanavani, why dont you pl provide details of marriage and divorce for cases posted by you ? since we are learners, more data would serve the purpose of learning with logic. may mother bless all regards sasisekaran Respected sasiskaranji, I just saw your post.I am now out of station for a fortnight.Once I return I will try to collect details as much as possible and post them for the analyses.Some people are too reluctant to divulge such details for their own personal reasons.However I will try my best. Some months back I met by chance a divorcee(woman) and asked her what had actually happened with a request to her chart or birth data.She simply replied "There is no necessity for that.My astrologer has already told that there is no problem either in my chart or the boy's chart. The reason was the marrige day and muhrtha lagna (election time) which were inappropriate and unsuitale to both the charts.In that case what will you do with the chart when the charts do not show any such" Regards, Anusha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sasisekaran_pti Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 Om gurubhyo namah namaste dear shri. rohini_nakshtra swamsa, karakamsa and lagnamsa generally confuse people. swamsa is the lagna in navamsa. karakamsa is the sign where atma karaka is placed in navamsa. lagnamsa is the sign in navamsa where the lagna of the rasi falls. sun and ketu can also cause curse. cursing sun is called pitri chaapa. cursing ketu is called sadhu chaapa. cursing saturn causes pretha chaapa. planets in navamsa lagna shows the abilities one is born with, while that of the planets in fifth show abilites of the person if pursues abyaasa (learning) and the planets in ninth show the abilities of the person that he/she can get from guru. venus in navamsa lagna show artistic abilities or strong liking towards them. let us proceed with case 3 - divorce as you suggested. seventh lord mercury is associating with nodes. the seventh house has rahu. otherwise the seventh house is ok. but look at the 'ul'. it is placed in makara. makara is like masaana. ul is afflicted by saturn and mars. both are kroora grahas. the fuel to the fire comes from venus, who is AK. venus is placed in makara. its dasa was on form 1992 !. does she have children ? you may add your views may mother bless all regards sasisekaran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coolgimmy Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 Namaste Shashikaranji, As mentioned by you in the earlier post, Karkamsha is the sign occupied by Atmakaraka in navamsha. Do we read the rashi chart with reference to the sign occupied by navamsha or we read the navamsha only with reference to karkamsha? I am confused in this issues? Same query is about the lagnamsha do we read in rashi or navamsha with sign occupied by lagna lord. I dont know but the navamsha cud have a greater contribution towards the divorce compared to rashi. I dont know whether the following observations are correct to what extent but in Navamsha: 1. Atmakaraka and Darakaraka have a 6/8relationship plus being natural enemies. 2.Jupiter significator of husband is in 8th house. 3. Debiliated venus is afflicted with nodes, saturn and mars in navamsha. I dont know whether the above are included in the rules of astrology or not. Please confirm. Regards/ Coolgimmy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indian_123 Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 hi, please advice on the following case... the boy details : date of birth 26/03/1971 place of birth: jammu, time of birth : 350pm . please advice on prospect on marriage if any? undergoing litigations on account of fraud marriage with girl already having concealed 4 marriages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sivah Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 Dear Shri sasiJi, I am providing birth details of my dearest friend suffering from late marraige.Please advice on any remedy or probable marriage time: D.o.b. :2nd Oct 1976 place:Satna,MP Time;Evening 5.15PM thing is he is very successful in career and very hard working.Looks very charming.Many girls admire him.He too had two broken relationships in past.means very flirtecious in nature.but has a golden heart and helps others.But still not getting married.Now into a third relationship.When he wil get married and how will his marital life?means sad or happy married life?I am very sorry for him,but dont know how to help as he is also a manglik.Seeking your help and advice sir. regards siva Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rohini_nakshatra Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 Thank you once again Sasisekaran ji. Knowing this lady personally, I feel that the maximum damage is coming from the curse on venus. I have not seen too many charts, but i think a more severe curse would be hard to find. Mars, Shani curse in Rashi as well as navamsa. Shani is yuti in both. Venus is also the AK. The nodes occupy the 1-7 axis, and conjoin 7th L. Further, venus is in debilitation in the navamsa. I feel that being the Atmakaraka, Venus has blocked a lot of things in her life. This lady's story is very sad. She is a dentist by profession, and has one daughter. She got married when she was 25. Her husband was not good to her from day one. She had a daughter within one year of marriage. He decided to come to the USA for higher studies. She left her job in India and came with her daughter. She worked many menial jobs to support her husband financially. Finally when her husband was about to graduate, she discovered that he had been cheating on her. She left him immediately. Her husband completely used her financially. All the loans were in her name. She is still paying them to this day. She doesn't even get any alimony, while he earns a lot being a dentist in USA. Daughter initially stayed with her. But her father enticed her with money and she also left her. Her own parents didn't support her through all these hardships. She also has bad luck with friends/relatives turning out to stab her in the back. her biggest sorrow is that her daughter is not staying with her and she is living alone. From my novice point of view, Sun, Me, Sa, Ma, Ju are quite well placed. Even the nodes are in their exaltation rashis. Nothing explains such a sad life. Being so highly qualified, she had to work 3 jobs at a time, that too as a waitress etc. With these planets well placed in kendras or swa-sthana/exaltation, there should have been at least something good in her life. In fact, I have been reading about remedies for her, as I feel very sad about her situation. Now after so many years, she is pursuing higher studies, and is worried about a job. Her financial situation is not good. Could you please suggest something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rohini_nakshatra Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 Namaste Shashikaranji, As mentioned by you in the earlier post, Karkamsha is the sign occupied by Atmakaraka in navamsha. Do we read the rashi chart with reference to the sign occupied by navamsha or we read the navamsha only with reference to karkamsha? I am confused in this issues? Same query is about the lagnamsha do we read in rashi or navamsha with sign occupied by lagna lord. I dont know but the navamsha cud have a greater contribution towards the divorce compared to rashi. I dont know whether the following observations are correct to what extent but in Navamsha: 1. Atmakaraka and Darakaraka have a 6/8relationship plus being natural enemies. 2.Jupiter significator of husband is in 8th house. 3. Debiliated venus is afflicted with nodes, saturn and mars in navamsha. I dont know whether the above are included in the rules of astrology or not. Please confirm. Regards/ Coolgimmy I need to tell you that birth time has a margin of 5 minute error. So i am not sure how accurate the navamsa lagna is. It is possible tht navamsa lagna is aries, making venus the 7th lord. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rohini_nakshatra Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 Sasisekaranji, what is the meaning of the word 'masaana' ? does it mean burial grounds (shamshaan) ? why is UL in makara considered bad? Talking about karakamsa. I do have artistic abilities (painting, decorating, sometimes write poetry, I learned a lot of arts and crafts at a very early age, and shocked everyone when I was stitching clothes for my dolls when I was 5-6, and was knitting by the time i was 7. Does this come under venus, or is it moon or mercury? i can't dance though. and what planet would give a passion for cooking? what are the talents and abilities given by rahu, mercury and moon? Could venus in the navamsa indicate tht the birth was due to devi's ashirvaad? This is a very vague idea of mine and i dont know if it has any validity. my sister has venus in her navamsa lagna, and my mother is a devotee of durgaji. My mom also has moon as AK in gemini navamsa, so venus indicates her ishta devata. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sasisekaran_pti Posted September 5, 2008 Report Share Posted September 5, 2008 om gurubhyo namah namaste dear coolgimmy From karakamsa we read soul related matters. that is why ishta devata is calculated from the 12th to ishta devata. from navamsa lagna we see dharmic and abilities content of the chart. ofcourse all matters related to marriage is seen from navamsa. as you rightly said , dk/ak positions are to be noted. the whole trouble we commonly encounter is in finding which chart would have divorce and which may not. the more the negatives can only show the unpleasantness of the married life. the break once happended with a partner , in many cases blossoms with another partner to lead a life. that is why we should collect as many charts as we can and yet do not arrive at a conclusion based on few factors. riddle posed by the almighty is always elusive. all observations made by you are relevant. may mother bless all regards sasisekaran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coolgimmy Posted September 5, 2008 Report Share Posted September 5, 2008 Namaste Shashikaranji, Actually a good database of divorce chart is required to arrive at the conclusions up to certain level. I downloaded MP3 lessons on Navamsha from SJC website and everything was focussed around the 7th and 8th houses in Navamsha and their lords and the 8th house from 7th for second relationship and so on for the number of spouses. But how do we ascertain that some Mr/Ms.X is going to have multiple spouses or not? For eg if 7th lord in Navamsha is in 6th, do we conclude that the person will treat his partner like an enemy or we have to focus on the Navamsha lagna lord and see whether the relationship meets 6/8 or hostile definitions? What does saturn,rahu conjuction in Navamsha indicate? Regards/ Coolgimmy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sasisekaran_pti Posted September 5, 2008 Report Share Posted September 5, 2008 om gurubhyo namah namaste dear coolgimmy multilple relationships happen because of the ability to interact with the world easily. if kama trikonas get activated more and if venus gets too much activated, one gets into multiple relations. but all such realtions do not culminate into marriage. many people do have serious relationships running for years, still maintaining a family on the other side. these are too tricky and hence i do not go into the 8th from every 'ul'. which one to be termed as first ul is itself a tricky question. hence it would be better to focus on ul and leave it at that. in foreign countries the whole issue of marriage has a different dimension. we will have to go through a 'merry go around' with ul in such cases. sixth may be viewed as a loss of the seventh. sat and rahu conjunction in ninth shows too much adharma. if such a combo influences auspicious planets , it is a bit difficult. ninth house is very important in navamsa. it shows dharma. may mother bless all regards sasisekaran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sasisekaran_pti Posted September 5, 2008 Report Share Posted September 5, 2008 Om gurubhyo namah namaste dear shri. rohini_nakshtra masaana is burial ground. mars is exalted in makara. the fire is always burning there. see how sri ramakrishna paramahasa , who has mars in makara used it for his sadhana. the lady (case 3) is certainly unlucky. Look the placement of venus in sixth house, which is bad. all most all malefics are hitting venus. in dasamsa too venus is placed in sixth house of service. sun, the ninth lord is placed in lagna in rasi. sun is her ishta devata. she may start worshipping lord shiva seriously. all mantras related to shiva may please be chanted by her. why dont you give date of marriage, leaving for foreign country, separation from her husband. has she divorced him ? did she loose the case ? did the separtion was mooted by her ? may mother bless all regards sasisekaran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rohini_nakshatra Posted September 6, 2008 Report Share Posted September 6, 2008 Dear Sasiserkaranji, here are the dates you asked for: 4th March, 1990 marriage 26th Nov 1990 birth of daughter 26th Sept 1996 She came to US April 2003 - Caught her husband cheating July 2003- Separation (started living apart) June 2005 - divorce June 2006 - moved to different city to start residency program in oral pathology The lady is divorced. The husband was very cunning. He moved to a different state, where the divorce laws were partial towards the man, and divorced her from there. she didn't have the money to even get a lawyer or go to that state and attend the hearing. the judge spoke to her on the phone, and divorce was finalized. She did not even attempt to fight for more alimony or to get the loans removed from her name which were actually due to her husband. now her only hope is that she gets a decent job after graduating next year. Sasisekaran ji, please see if she has any hope in this regard. And could you also tell what mantra of shiva ji would be most beneficial? She is from Sikh religion, but she will do any mantras/puja. Also, she is wearing a pukhraj, altho not of very good quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sasisekaran_pti Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 Om gurubhyo namah namaste dear shri. rohini_nakshtra thanks for the info. Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon): separtaion starts.... Ven MD: 1992-01-20 - 2012-01-20 Jup AD: 2002-03-20 - 2004-11-21 Ven PD: 2003-07-14 - 2003-12-23.. separation jup is placed third to 'ul' , its marana karaka sthana.. note the placement of jupiter in eighth navamsa lagna confirming this. ninth the house of focus in navamsa. eight is twelfth to it. june 2005..... divorce given by court Ven MD: 1992-01-20 - 2012-01-20 Sat AD: 2004-11-21 - 2008-01-20 Merc PD: 2005-05-21 - 2005-11-03 .. divorce saturn is one of the afflicting planets of venus. the divorce came through finally in the period of mercury, who is the seventh lord in rasi and placed in the eight from 'ul' in navamsa. all these can also be seen from dwisaptathi sama dasa which is applicable in her case ( since seventh lord is in lagna ). she did not figth the case , possibly because we dont find kroora grahas in third and sixth from AL. they show the fighting spirit. her career will undergo a change a little after jan 2009. i sincerely hope it is for the better. you said she was doing some course. logically speaking, after qualifying more, she must be able to get a new job. she may worship any form of shiva. she may even say "om namashivaya " as many times as possible. for career future she may chant the jyothiling mantra of the fifth house in dasamsa. " om namashivaya namo somanathaya " 432 times.. vimsottari dasa wise sun dasa wiil start in 2012. sun is the ninth lord. a rise must occur then. i do not recommend gems. may mother bless all regards sasisekaran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrikant77 Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 Hi , Can you please study my horoscope as we are really not going very well with each other so i am thinking of sepration (Male) DOB 05/DEC/1977 PLACE MUMBAI TIME 14:45 (Female) DOB 25/AUG/1980 PLACE KHADKI(Pune) TIME 15:10 Please Advice... Thanks Shri Om gurubhyo namahnamaste dear sow anusha fifth house rules thithi in panchanga principle. thithi house being terribly afflicted appears to have played its role. the relationship did not even have a start. if you can dig and get details of marriage day and more it will be of use to us. such short details pull back the momentum of study and analysis. may mother bless all regards sasisekaran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vijeet Dhupia Posted September 8, 2008 Report Share Posted September 8, 2008 hello all, I saw in several kundaliies ,if navmansh lord is in enemies house of navmansh lord or if its in 6-8-12 house of navmansh kundali,the marrige will not be fruitful.Am Icorrect or other things are laso important to watch over this matter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coolgimmy Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 Dear Mr.Dhupia, Are u referring to the lord of Navamsha lagna or lord of seventh house in navamsha lagna in the enemy house of 6,8,12? Regards/ Coolgimmy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shrikant77 Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 Hi , Can you please study my horoscope as we are really not going very well with each other so i am thinking of sepration (Male) DOB 05/DEC/1977 PLACE MUMBAI TIME 14:45 (Female) DOB 25/AUG/1980 PLACE KHADKI(Pune) TIME 15:10 Please Advice... Thanks Shri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver lining Posted September 9, 2008 Report Share Posted September 9, 2008 Namaste all, I'm currently analysing my friends charts, both of them very happy until all of a sudden, they are living separately, would value your inputs in shedding light on their marriage. Boy: 12-Apr-75, Bangalore, 11.00am Girl : 24-Sep-79, Bangalore, 3.11pm (afternoon) Married on : 23-Jan-2004, Bangalore. I would be highly grateful to Sasi sir, if he could help us see re-union, or separation or divorce or second marriage in these charts. Thanks SL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sasisekaran_pti Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 om gurubhyo namah namaste dear silver lining, before we dwell deep into the charts, let us wait to pass comments. the separation seems to have started in the very beginning of saturn's dasa for the lady. saturn is her atma karaka. she has to be very careful before she decides seriously on anything. the husband is running moon/rahu period. deception should not be allowed to be a cause for separation. moon - rahu are placed 6/8. it started in june 2006. but you have stated the separation has occured just now. kindly confirm. meanwhille do you think the issue of children to be one of the reasons ? can you pl find the muhurta time of the marriage ? may mother bless all regards sasisekaran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coolgimmy Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 Namaste Shashikaranji, The 3rd and 8th house is the house of longevity. In Navamsha, what does the 3rd and 8th house from AL and UL signifiy? What effect does the malefics and benefics have in this houses in Navamsha? Regards/ Coolgimmy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rohini_nakshatra Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 Thank you Sasisekaranji, my concepts of UL and AL are not very clear. I need to read about them more, before being able to completely understand your in-depth analysis. Coolgimmy's questions are really helpful in this regard. I will ask the lady to do the remedies. I hope there is no special ritual to be followed before doing them. For example, do they need to be done at some particular time of day? Also, when you say 432 times recitation of the mantra, does it mean daily, or on mondays, or just once? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sasisekaran_pti Posted September 11, 2008 Report Share Posted September 11, 2008 Om gurubhyo namah namaste dear shri. rohini_nakshtra when the karma is big, how do you expect to come out of karma by reciting only once ? it is certainly not a bargain. recitation must be before agni (lamp). no other special ritual is necessary. recitation should be daily , preferrably as a routine. even if the reciting slips to a different time on a day, the reciting should not stop. mantras are the real ones which can take people out of karma. people believe gems will do. but they do not. gems recommended in puranas hardly exist now at affordable price. it has become a business for both sellers and astrologers ( who have an understanding with the sellers ). mantras have remained the same and they will. spending money on some artificial gem and forgetting the lord will not take anyone out of karma. the planets are not gods. the deities ruling them have to be worshiped. it is the appeal one makes to the god daily can make him soften and redeem us out of the woods. may mother bless all regards sasisekaran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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