Ravan

[brahma kumar]

Who is ravan in today's world?

Though we keep burning ravan every year in delhi he is burnt every year and keeps growing(taller) every year.

[suchandra]

 

Who is ravan in today's world?

Though we keep burning ravan every year in delhi he is burnt every year and keeps growing(taller) every year.

Looks like he became the sinful people of Kali-yuga.

 

"On behalf of the sacred rivers - Yamuna, Kaveri, Godavari, Sindhu, Saravati and Narmada - Ganga Devi says, “Lord Krishna, we see that Your pastimes are ending and that people are becoming more materialistic. After You leave, all the sinful people of Kali-yuga will take bath in our waters, and we will become overwhelmed with sinful reactions.”

Lord Krishna smiled and replied, “Be patient. After 5,000 years My mantra upasaka will appear and spread the chanting of the holy name everywhere. Not only in India but all over the world people will chant ‘Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare.’ By this chanting the whole world will become eka varna - one class or designation, namely, hari-bhaktas, devotees of the Supreme Lord Krishna. Because the devotees of Hari are pure, anyone who contacts them will become purified of sinful reactions. These pure devotees will visit India and purify you of your sinful reactions by bathing in your sacred waters. The period of worldwide chanting of Hare Krishna will continue for 10,000 years.

“After that the devotees will see Kali’s full force overtake the world. At that time, you sacred rivers should hide under the earth, as Sarasvati has already done, and wait for the next Satya-yuga.”

 

The Brahma-vaivarta Purana

[Amlesh]

I've read quite a similar quote by Chanakya Pundit; He said that with time [i forgot exactly after how many years], les terriens won't be able to have the Darshan of Ganga Devi.

[brahma kumar]

 

These pure devotees will visit India and purify you of your sinful reactions by bathing in your sacred waters. The period of worldwide chanting of Hare Krishna will continue for 10,000 years.

 

 

The Brahma-vaivarta Purana

Om shanti,

Suchandra,

I have a few questions

1.Considering that pap(sin) or punya is for the soul .

that's why people are called mahathma,papathma..

then how can a bath(cleanse)your body free you of all sins.

Wat is required is cleansing the thought.

2.

Considering the present scheme of events i doubt the existence of this world for 10 years.let alone 10,000 years.

[suchandra]

 

Om shanti,

Suchandra,

I have a few questions

1.Considering that pap(sin) or punya is for the soul .

that's why people are called mahathma,papathma..

then how can a bath(cleanse)your body free you of all sins.

Wat is required is cleansing the thought.

2.

Considering the present scheme of events i doubt the existence of this world for 10 years.let alone 10,000 years.

This is surely correct. Bathing in holy rivers frees one from past sinful reaction. But when people don't cleanse their thoughts and become pure in mind they commit new sins as soon they come out of the holy river.

 

Therefore Ganga Devi says, people are in this age so sinful that the holy rivers will become overwhelmed with sinful reactions.

In other words, Ganga Devi is asking for to stop flowing on this Earth during the age of kali.

[brahma kumar]

Om shanti,

Does it mean ganga devi purifies(cleanses) your mind (thoughts)as you dip.

Maybe the pollution it is choking from today is due to the sin of all people who dipped .

Who is going to purify ganga devi now?

[Amlesh]

 

Who is going to purify ganga devi now?

When pure souls take dips then they neutralize the sin.

 

However with time when those pure souls would be damn scarce on earth...we won't be having the Darshan of those Great Rivers.

 

Concerning the Duration of earth, then we will be experiencing some trivial annihilation process... but Total Annihilation will come as that mentioned in Sastras.

[brahma kumar]

 

When pure souls take dips then they neutralize the sin.

 

However with time when those pure souls would be damn scarce on earth...we won't be having the Darshan of those Great Rivers.

 

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om shanti,

Who can be called a pure soul.?

What is pure for me might be impure for someone else.

What defines purity ?

[suchandra]

 

What defines purity ?

The Vedas!

The Vedas instruct for example that cow dung is pure, we cannot argue.

Because the Vedas teach it therefore we have to accept.

However, modern science also admits that cow dung is antiseptic - antiseptic, that which destroys micro-organisms that cause disease.

 

Similarly, according to sastra someone who is situated on the spiritual platform and is free from sexual attachment, is free from consuming intoxicants like alcohol, cigarettes, coffee and tea, doesnt indulge in any kind of gambling and eats only vegetarian food after having it first offered to God, he's pure. Lord Krsna defines "pure" as, "transcendentally situated", and says at the end of His Bhagavad-gita, 18.54,

 

brahma-bhūtaḥ prasannātmā

na śocati na kāńkṣati

samaḥ sarveṣu bhūteṣu

mad-bhaktiḿ labhate parām

 

One who is thus transcendentally situated at once realizes the Supreme Brahman and becomes fully joyful. He never laments or desires to have anything. He is equally disposed toward every living entity. In that state he attains pure devotional service unto Me.

 

PURPORT

To the impersonalist, achieving the brahma-bhūta stage, becoming one with the Absolute, is the last word. But for the personalist, or pure devotee, one has to go still further, to become engaged in pure devotional service. This means that one who is engaged in pure devotional service to the Supreme Lord is already in a state of liberation, called brahma-bhūta, oneness with the Absolute. Without being one with the Supreme, the Absolute, one cannot render service unto Him. In the absolute conception, there is no difference between the served and the servitor; yet the distinction is there, in a higher spiritual sense.

In the material concept of life, when one works for sense gratification, there is misery, but in the absolute world, when one is engaged in pure devotional service, there is no misery. The devotee in Kṛṣṇa consciousness has nothing for which to lament or desire. Since God is full, a living entity who is engaged in God's service, in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, becomes also full in himself. He is just like a river cleansed of all dirty water. Because a pure devotee has no thought other than Kṛṣṇa, he is naturally always joyful. He does not lament for any material loss or aspire for gain, because he is full in the service of the Lord. He has no desire for material enjoyment, because he knows that every living entity is a fragmental part and parcel of the Supreme Lord and therefore eternally a servant. He does not see, in the material world, someone as higher and someone as lower; higher and lower positions are ephemeral, and a devotee has nothing to do with ephemeral appearances or disappearances. For him stone and gold are of equal value. This is the brahma-bhūta stage, and this stage is attained very easily by the pure devotee. In that stage of existence, the idea of becoming one with the Supreme Brahman and annihilating one's individuality becomes hellish, the idea of attaining the heavenly kingdom becomes phantasmagoria, and the senses are like serpents' teeth that are broken. As there is no fear of a serpent with broken teeth, there is no fear from the senses when they are automatically controlled. The world is miserable for the materially infected person, but for a devotee the entire world is as good as Vaikuṇṭha, or the spiritual sky. The highest personality in this material universe is no more significant than an ant for a devotee. Such a stage can be achieved by the mercy of Lord Caitanya, who preached pure devotional service in this age.

[Amlesh]

 

om shanti,

Who can be called a pure soul.?

 

The one whose act is selfless.

 

 

What is pure for me might be impure for someone else.

 

The ultimate jurisdiction was and is never in our hand... what I might think about you and what you think about me never really matter...

The eye of justice is in the hand of the one's whose charitra has never be tainted by impurities.

 

 

What defines purity ?

Suchadra has answered you.