Wolf in sheeps clothing

theist · October 7, 2008

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Jayadvaita Swami's 'New and Improved'

BY: KRISHNA DAS

Oct 05, USA (SUN) —

In reference to Janmastami prabhu's article, "

Say What

", we heard from an authoritative source this evening that there was a time when Jayadvaita Swami felt that Srila Prabhupada's name should be removed from the standard ISKCON pranam prayers. In other words,

namo om visnu pradaya, krsna prestaya butale, srimate Bhaktivedanta Swami

, the Bhaktivedanta Swami part, the Founder/Acarya of ISKCON, His name should be removed.

This comes from the mouth of the one who also "butchered" Srila Prabhupada's 12 years of translations of various highly significant Vedic scriptures, Bhagavad-Gita, Srimad Bhagavatam, Caitanya-caritamrta, to name but three, translated verse by verse with purports added, from 1:00 till 4:00 every morning for twelve years, while His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada, my 1,000% Divine Spiritual Master, the actual real Acarya, descended from the spiritual world, whom no present ISKCON guru even barely stands a minute fraction against His exalted spiritual height, was with us.

None of them, our godbrothers, would dare even to think or suggest otherwise, yet Jayadvaita Swami, the supreme changer of all of Srila Prabhupada's books has suggested, to no avail, thank God at least for that, that Srila Prabhupada's name be removed from ISKCON's pranams, at the beginning of every single kirtan, to be replaced I suppose by any of the appointed ISKCON present day "living gurus."

Interesting, huh? Where does one draw the lines? Srila Prabhupada appears to be gone, others are now initiating gurus of ISKCON, so Jayadvaita Swami sez, lets get rid of His name in the regular ISKCON kirtan pranams.

Lord Jesus Christ, another shaktyavesa avatar, as is our Srila Prabhupada, has been gone for 2,000 years and still people are glorifying Him like anything. Some are fanatical about it, some are quieter, but they are still praising Jesus after 2,000 plus years. But Jayadvaita Swami, the butcher of Srila Prabhupada's writings over a twelve year period, he wants Srila Prabhupada's name singing and praising reduced, if not eradicated only after thirty years... what to speak of 2,000. He can't wait to reduce the stature of the real pure devotee of the Lord.

Just see the nature of the conditioned soul's consciousness. Belittle the pure devotee, while I am worshiped in the institution which He founded. Then belittle the idea that he even founded it. Then belittle all his writings over the twelve years He was with us. They say its all one, that the "enlarged" and "revised" editions of the Bhagavad-Gita As It Is, ("as it is", a phrase that only Srila Prabhupada inaugurated), are non-different, or even "better" than what Srila Prabhupada went along with 100% for 12 years while with us. They say they made Srila Prabhupada's sacred writings better, more improved, than His divine original spontaneous realizations.

You can imagine these young Americans, brought up on the advertising words all of their lives, of the "new", the "improved" Tide, for example. Everything is constantly made better by science, by godless scholars, by evolution.

Still that is the all-pervading mindset of USA, that everything is wonderful, everything is improving. Just see, now we have Viagra, we have bigger than ever bank accounts. In Jayadvaita Swami's case, we have servants, itinerary, bank balance, guaranteed income, disciples. A sannyasi, from the renounced order of life. Everything guaranteed. And now we have gotten rid of Srila Prabhupada's original grammar, "O my god", his broken English. We have it new and improved or enlarged and revised, same thing, same ideas based on mundane enviousness.

Better yet, let us remove Jayadvaita Swami from ISKCON, with all his followers, and return Srila Prabhupada's writings to their original state -- Pure Bhakti.

Om Tat Sat Vigraha

Krishna das

suchandra · October 8, 2008

Might be a bit harsh words Wolf in sheeps clothing, and as usual classified as bad mouthing. I would suggest to rather see this as kind of natural hang up since time immemorial, racism.

They see Prabhupada as Indian and this is what hurts them, why we should overestimate, overvaluate an Indian who basically did nothing but to pass vedic knowledge on?

So all this bookchanges is rather trimming and cutting Prabhupada's books down in this direction to remove Prabhupada's touch from the ancient vedic knowledge. Same natural racist tendency you also find in the change of the constitution concerning privatization.

Prabhupada registered ISKCON with the parameter that all acquired properties are to be seen as ISKCON property. Now we have that changed since years already, ISKCON properties became private properties.

In other words, the leaders went mad over this idea to manage temples which are not their private property.

At one point they thought there must be a way how to circumvent this, it is intolerable. Step by step they found out what to do to legally get this changed and they actually did it.

But did anybody filed a protest, when such and such leaves ISKCON he can claim to sell this temple? No, because it is a natural materialistic tendency to take ownership.

Sometimes we find new bhaktas discussing further profilerations of this materialization of consciousness within the leadership of the Vaishnava institutions, this natural unability of neophyte kanisthas to be detached from material possession.

But immediately you find some senior, experienced Vaishnava suggesting to "allow reason to prevail, to call for sanity and to bang heads together".

Wages for sages?

1. Bhakta Flynn | October 6th, 2008 at 7:54 pm
The best situation seems to be one in which members of the temple who need money to maintain their families are allowed to work outside for some small amount of time during the week, maybe 20 hours/week or so. If people receive money from the temple just for doing their service and it goes towards maintaining family life, it can lead to people thinking of their temple service as a "job" rather than as voluntary service for the pleasure of the lord, devotees, etc.
The situation is obviously different for brahmacaris who need no money other than maybe some travel money for visiting holy places every once in awhile. These brahmacaris can be maintained with temple funds if need be since ideally they're not supposed to be attached to this sense enjoyment associated with family life anyway.
I myself personally haven't felt inclined to live in the temples mainly because of the strange rules regarding grhasthas working outside to maintain their families. Some kind of balance must be met.
2. Bhakta Micheal | October 7th, 2008 at 9:14 am
Wages are for sudras. Srila Prabhupad clearly stated that austerity and maintenance only was the standard. If so-called devotees are taking thousands of pounds salaries they are not sages but disobedient thieves. Get rid of them and find real devotees that will serve out of love not salary.
3. Braja Sevaki | October 7th, 2008 at 11:31 am
Bhakta Michael, I don't think we need to "get rid of" anyone." Wages might be for sudras, but since everyone is born a sudra in Kaliyuga it perhaps requires a little more definition than that. And unfortunately the way the world is at the moment, wages are for anyone who wants to live. ISKCON management has contributed to the problem by allowing the creation of a system whereby people are paid for service, rather than establishing a system where service and earning for maintenance needs can co-exist, and the basic needs of everyone are provided by the cultivation of land and the results of cow protection. In the absence of such a system, even if one doesn't work in the city and earn a wage, still money is required to live. I live in Mayapur and we grow most of our own food in certain seasons, but not grains. Nor do we have power of our own. Nor is Mayapur anywhere near self sufficient. So until it is, or until I and others around here are, then we need money. That means earning. Do we take a stipend (as opposed to a wage: a stipend means it covers only the basics, and we're speaking in rupees, not pounds) for some (not all) of the service we do, or should we be "gotten rid of," kicked out to the city to "get a job"? I would love dearly not to need money, but at this stage of our evolution in ISKCON, it's a little utopian to think we can do without it. I believe that's only possible in an agrarian society that revolves around cow protection and self sufficiency–is that ISKCON?

theist · October 9, 2008

Might be a bit harsh words Wolf in sheeps clothing, and as usual classified as bad mouthing. I would suggest to rather see this as kind of natural hang up since time immemorial, racism.

They see Prabhupada as Indian and this is what hurts them, why we should overestimate, overvaluate an Indian who basically did nothing but to pass vedic knowledge on?

So you see calling someone a racist as being more gentle than calling someone a wolf in sheep's clothing?

I would think Jayadvaita being a racist would be hard to prove. I certainly have no evidence that points that way. I doubt anyone else does either but who knows.

The fact that he is a wolf in sheep's clothing is obvious by what has happened with Prabhupada's books under his watch. And if the above Sun article is correct it simply offers more proof. Trying to finalize the theft of Iskcon by removing Prabhupada's name being commonly sung for Iskcon's pranam prayers is so blatant as to be absolutely shameless.

Of course wolves have long been inside Prabhupada's ISKCON attempting to devour the flock in the pusuit of their own self aggrandisment.

weallshineon · October 9, 2008

So you see calling someone a racist as being more gentle than calling someone a wolf in sheep's clothing?

I would think Jayadvaita being a racist would be hard to prove. I certainly have no evidence that points that way. I doubt anyone else does either but who knows.

The fact that he is a wolf in sheep's clothing is obvious by what has happened with Prabhupada's books under his watch. And if the above Sun article is correct it simply offers more proof. Trying to finalize the theft of Iskcon by removing Prabhupada's name being commonly sung for Iskcon's pranam prayers is so blatant as to be absolutely shameless.

Of course wolves have long been inside Prabhupada's ISKCON attempting to devour the flock in the pusuit of their own self aggrandisment.

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=dHLjYBsl2zA&feature=related

suchandra · October 9, 2008

So you see calling someone a racist as being more gentle than calling someone a wolf in sheep's clothing?

I would think Jayadvaita being a racist would be hard to prove. I certainly have no evidence that points that way. I doubt anyone else does either but who knows.

The fact that he is a wolf in sheep's clothing is obvious by what has happened with Prabhupada's books under his watch. And if the above Sun article is correct it simply offers more proof. Trying to finalize the theft of Iskcon by removing Prabhupada's name being commonly sung for Iskcon's pranam prayers is so blatant as to be absolutely shameless.

Of course wolves have long been inside Prabhupada's ISKCON attempting to devour the flock in the pusuit of their own self aggrandisment.

Racism might be indeed rather used for what we have globally as main reason for all these endless wars and frictions, annoying wars like sixty years of war between Palestine and Israel, and still people having no brain how to solve this problem. Although they suddenly have the brain to solve much more difficult problems. Jayadvaita must be fully conscious about so many devotees being enraged and he's even goading on this mood by announcing more editing. So either wolf in sheep clothing or whatever could be helpful for that purpose.