Avinash Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 It is said that you should listen to your consicence - also called as the inner voice, the voice of God. But often there are so many voices inside our head. One says - do this. Another says - do that. More than one of these seem to be correct. So, how do you know which of these voices is the voice of conscience? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hindustani Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 Inner Voice comes Suddenly and not often,keep this in mind and then you will able to diffentiate it with other voices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishadi Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 It is said that you should listen to your consicence - also called as the inner voice, the voice of God. When the body dies, the mass is still all there but the light of life is no longer with the body. This means the light of life is the spirit or soul of the body. The mind and memories are the recorded experiences the body has passed through in time as the life is continually observing, experiencing and utilizing the recordings of what was remembered on the road behind. The inner voice is the light of Him (existence), the memories are what the body (you) have recorded. HIS life is pure with what is true, the memories can only be defined by the knowledge found alone the road. Follow the light. But often there are so many voices inside our head. One says - do this. Another says - do that. More than one of these seem to be correct. So, how do you know which of these voices is the voice of conscience? the rules of life are pure to all existence, the rules in memories can be quite diverse the rules of light are pure; light is the life upon mass (the body) Life is purposed to continue. Choices to be determined: Good: supports life to continue (doing for the good of life - others) Bad: loss to the common (isolation from 'others' - selfishness) In each idea of choice, measure the rules and make the correct choice every time! Measure all knowledge from the road accordingly; follow the light (God) Peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theist Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 The true inner voice belongs to Supersoul. He is a person and He is self-revealing. We must pray for the ears to hear to Him. Until He grants that prayer we will not be able to distinquish reality from the chatter of the conditioned mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaisersose Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 It is said that you should listen to your consicence - also called as the inner voice, the voice of God. But often there are so many voices inside our head. One says - do this. Another says - do that. More than one of these seem to be correct. So, how do you know which of these voices is the voice of conscience? From a logical perspective, it is not possible. 1) If there are multiple voices, they are all from the same source and so it is not possible to differentiate between them. The only option is to arbitrarily pick one. 2) If there is only a single voice, then the question does not arise at all. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hindustani Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 Well Said From a logical perspective, it is not possible. 1) If there are multiple voices, they are all from the same source and so it is not possible to differentiate between them. The only option is to arbitrarily pick one. 2) If there is only a single voice, then the question does not arise at all. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theist Posted October 17, 2008 Report Share Posted October 17, 2008 The problem with that approach is you are likely to pick the wrong one if there are many and if there is only one voice that is no guaruntee it is God's voice. As conditioned souls we always try to worm around the fact that we are totally dependent on God's grace for everything and especially upon sensing Him in anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishadi Posted October 18, 2008 Report Share Posted October 18, 2008 The problem with that approach is you are likely to pick the wrong one if there are many and if there is only one voice that is no guaruntee it is God's voice. Wow! an honest opinion! As conditioned souls we always try to worm around the fact that we are totally dependent on God's grace for everything and especially upon sensing Him in anyway the self can be a baaaaad thing opening the eyes to truth in each observance is born of humility and honesty. Humility of not knowing and then honest when aware. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhaktajan Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 The inner voice, the voice of God = Paramatma [ God's omni-present, thus, localised-non-judgemental-presence, within the nucleus of our own very soul, keeping our soul company as a silent-well-wishing-partner]. Any other voice is would be one of two: 1--Your own good-common-sense-well-ordered & diciplined//and or//lust-driven "MIND" ---thinking aloud in your head composing your own 'wish-list'. and, 2--"INTELLIGENCE"---that cognisant component of the Mortal Soul's body [earth-water-fire-air-either-mind-intelligence-false ego(ahankara), these are the 8 seperate aggregate elements that comprise the body]. To depend on inner voices as authentic --is to neglect ones dharma (duty) and thus to rely on chance and to blame 'personal-neglect' on others--by dint to self-deception. Self-control of the mind is the definition of the word "Svami" (master of the Self)--and prayer can be directed inward to the diety present as Param-atma. Unless one is accustomed to devotional practice, what will he remember at the time of death, when the body is dislocated, and how can he pray to the almighty Lord to remember his sacrifices? Sacrifice means denying the interest of the senses. One has to learn this art by employing the senses in the service of the Lord during one’s lifetime. One can utilize the results of such practice at the time of death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishadi Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 WOW! again! ie...2 of the toughest cookies on this site and from both, on one thread, fair opinions The inner voice, the voice of God = Paramatma [ God's omni-present, thus, localised-non-judgemental-presence, within the nucleus of our own very soul, keeping our soul company as a silent-well-wishing-partner]. Any other voice is would be one of two: 1--Your own good-common-sense-well-ordered & diciplined//and or//lust-driven "MIND" ---thinking aloud in your head composing your own 'wish-list'. and, 2--"INTELLIGENCE"---that cognisant component of the Mortal Soul's body [earth-water-fire-air-either-mind-intelligence-false ego(ahankara), these are the 8 seperate aggregate elements that comprise the body]. can these be observed under less than 8 divisions? Ie.... Compassion (observance of other) over self and then 'good' and bad...... To depend on inner voices as authentic --is to neglect ones dharma (duty) and thus to rely on chance and to blame 'personal-neglect' on others--by dint to self-deception. The inner (consciousness/life/vishnu) offers the capacity of choice, no matter the learned knowledge of mind. It is to be honest to that inner 'voice' as many observe that is the toughest portion when blinders of mind damage the view. Self-control of the mind is the definition of the word "Svami" (master of the Self)--and prayer can be directed inward to the diety present as Param-atma. yet prayer can exist as a state of mind; ever present offering the ability to 'know thyself' at all times; self reflecting rather than simply self-control. Unless one is accustomed to devotional practice, what will he remember at the time of death, when the body is dislocated, and how can he pray to the almighty Lord to remember his sacrifices? such shares the devotion as a state of mind rather than a ritual to get there Sacrifice means denying the interest of the senses. the self not neccessarily the senses; as HE experiences life by our senses; learn to Love them; smile from the wind of a butterfly; appreciate life with all your senses. i.e... remember copulation is 2 contributing to make another one (life); ever notice the pleasure of LOVE. Be thankful, not overly indulgent. Appreciate the ability of experience. One has to learn this art by employing the senses in the service of the Lord during one’s lifetime. Makes perfect sense in the above case We are born of knowing the pleasure of 'creating life'. it is almost like helping the elderly carry in the groceries; we give of ourselves for the good. That is almost like sex to the compassionate. One can utilize the results of such practice at the time of death. in the context shared; giving of self for the good of life, then it hits perfectly. As upon physical death, each live in the lives 'created' by choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theist Posted October 19, 2008 Report Share Posted October 19, 2008 Bhaktajan raises a vital point. Our dilemna is not being in tune with Supersoul in the first place. How to correct that situation? We need Supersoul to help us reestablish connection but we are deaf to his voice. Solution? The Lord expands Himself on earth as the empowered devotee and speaks and writes the practical way to reconnect with the Lord according to our time place and circumstance...the sadhana practice. It's these basic teachings from the Lord without that hold it all together and insure our eventual re-linking up with the Lord's voice from within. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srikanthdk71 Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 It is said that you should listen to your consicence - also called as the inner voice, the voice of God. But often there are so many voices inside our head. One says - do this. Another says - do that. More than one of these seem to be correct. So, how do you know which of these voices is the voice of conscience? Whenever you are dealing with a situation, as Bhaktjan said, your own Intelligence speaks first. If your Intelligence is in tune with the conscience, you do not hear a second voice or in other words you do not give a second thought. But, if the result of your Intelligence is not approved by your conscience, you hear a second voice (many a times people say to give you a second thought refering to listen to your conscience). In such a situation of dilemma, always the second voice is known to be the voice of conscience. It is upto the mind to listen either to the voice of the Intelligence or to the voice of the conscience. Coming to the point of many voices, it is the serial of logics that your mind creates to overcome any situation. In such cases you hear many voices. But here too, any situation will be dealt with basically two parameters ie., either a yes or a no. Do or dont. Now, compare this to what Bhaktjan has said. For a change, I completely agree to his points. It is true and perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishadi Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 Whenever you are dealing with a situation, as Bhaktjan said, your own Intelligence speaks first. If your Intelligence is in tune with the conscience, you do not hear a second voice or in other words you do not give a second thought. 'The Silence of the Lambs' How to correct that situation? for the knowledge learned to be pure to existence; to learn the absolute truth that which is pure to existence (God) and experience This comes from combining the knowledge learned by 'mankind' taught to us from the contributers throughout time. (them of true Godhead) And even as a few man not carry the banner of a specific religion/belief, the truth exists in many forms. Be fair to existence (God) and allow that 'inner' voice to learn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theist Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 The danger in relying on intelligence at present is our desires of the mind rule our intelligence and thus the intelligence is programed to take us in diverse directions. There is that verse from the Gita " The intelligence of the irresolute is many branched..." I'll look it up but you get the point. This is why to reach God we must bring our intelligence in line with His and that is why we need to accept the conclusions of His devotee. Only in this way can our intelligence become dominant over passing mental desires and become one pointed and resolute in determination. It's a process. This leads to direct person to person communication with the Supersoul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhaktajan Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 Anyway, why would a inner conscious (voice) play a part in judgement? A Samurai/Cricket Batter/Football Goal-keeper/Security Guard/Baby-sitter/Cashier/Race-Car Driver/Fashion Photographer/Referee/Boxer/Tour-Bus Driver/School Crossing Guard/Beach Life-Guard/Tennis Tournament Ball-retriver/Olympic Athlete/Professional Gymnast/Professional Musician/Professional Dancer ---all respond in the wink-of-an-eye! Their training allows for their instant judgement to act instinctually without distractions --their training rewards them with the ability to discard mental distractions and focus and thus keep their Eye on the Prise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishadi Posted October 20, 2008 Report Share Posted October 20, 2008 The danger in relying on intelligence at present is our desires of the mind rule our intelligence and thus the intelligence is programed to take us in diverse directions. Exactly! Many are taught what to believe that is contrary to reality; and keep fighting just the same. Often the student can comprehend the devotion but not the intent. There is that verse from the Gita " The intelligence of the irresolute is many branched..." I'll look it up but you get the point. So without solutions pure and equal; then secularizations branch out. Such that none share to have the absolute (solutions) to all questions of the inner voices inquiry This is why to reach God we must bring our intelligence in line with His and that is why we need to accept the conclusions of His devotee. Then why is not everyone of hinduism strickly adherant to the upanishad or vedic literature as often a few observe the gita with all the 'new' translations.... and then to realize that each generation had contributers, shares that since no sect of beliefs can succinctly offer the absolute, then of course naturally another contribution much arise Only in this way can our intelligence become dominant over passing mental desires and become one pointed and resolute in determination. It's a process. As the evolution of all things is a process, such is the 'absolute truth' This leads to direct person to person communication with the Supersoul. Could mean directly, that the words by mankind can offer a guideline but the 'direct' link is within and to trust that 'inner' voice with pure honesty and compassion over all things learned. we each can see if the guidance allows the eyes to open Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amlesh Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Then why is not everyone of hinduism strickly adherant to the upanishad or vedic literature as often a few observe the gita with all the 'new' translations.... 10 years back when I was 15 years of age... when my high school teacher asked us about the different religions and respective Scripture. I was a bit astonished to discover that all religion had only 1 book whilst Hinduism had 2. She told firstly, we have the Vedas and after a short reflection she said "... and also the Gita". It's only five years later that I understood why. The Gita is the reconciliation of all the different school of thoughts.. be it inside the Hinduism panel or outside... The Gita is impossible to decrypt if everything has not yet been explored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srikanthdk71 Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Anyway, why would a inner conscious (voice) play a part in judgement? A Samurai/Cricket Batter/Football Goal-keeper/Security Guard/Baby-sitter/Cashier/Race-Car Driver/Fashion Photographer/Referee/Boxer/Tour-Bus Driver/School Crossing Guard/Beach Life-Guard/Tennis Tournament Ball-retriver/Olympic Athlete/Professional Gymnast/Professional Musician/Professional Dancer ---all respond in the wink-of-an-eye! Their training allows for their instant judgement to act instinctually without distractions --their training rewards them with the ability to discard mental distractions and focus and thus keep their Eye on the Prise. Just Superbly put in words. Inner Conscience do not play a part in Judgement coz again the Karma Siddhanta goes for a toss and indeed constant training of the mind helps it to attune or distinguish and listen to ones conscience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theist Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Anyway, why would a inner conscious (voice) play a part in judgement? A Samurai/Cricket Batter/Football Goal-keeper/Security Guard/Baby-sitter/Cashier/Race-Car Driver/Fashion Photographer/Referee/Boxer/Tour-Bus Driver/School Crossing Guard/Beach Life-Guard/Tennis Tournament Ball-retriver/Olympic Athlete/Professional Gymnast/Professional Musician/Professional Dancer ---all respond in the wink-of-an-eye! Their training allows for their instant judgement to act instinctually without distractions --their training rewards them with the ability to discard mental distractions and focus and thus keep their Eye on the Prise. Yes training means sadhana. We must pratice but we must also remember that the Prize of hearing Paramatma depends on more than practice...even perfect practice. It is not mechanical, it is personal. Krishna can bestow His grace to someone at anytime. Perfect practice, faulty practice or even no practice. So it appears to me that ultimately God's grace is the deciding factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amlesh Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 Yes training means sadhana. We must pratice but we must also remember that the Prize of hearing Paramatma depends on more than practice...even perfect practice. It is not mechanical, it is personal. Krishna can bestow His grace to someone at anytime. Perfect practice, faulty practice or even no practice. So it appears to me that ultimately God's grace is the deciding factor. True indeed... The great Sage Narada said... someone gets the mercy not by any endeavour.. it's only when the Lord set His Lotus Eyes on that particular person... The same thing was said by Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi in His "The story of my experiments with truth" , " WHO IS THE OBJECT OF CIRCUMSTANCE AND WHO HAS BEEN CHOSEN AS THE SEER OF LORD IS A MYSTERY AND AN ETERNAL MYSTERY KNOWN TO THE LORD ONLY." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishadi Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 10 years back when I was 15 years of age... when my high school teacher asked us about the different religions and respective Scripture. I was a bit astonished to discover that all religion had only 1 book whilst Hinduism had 2. Perhaps Hinduism has a few more than 2 Among these texts, the Vedas and the Upanishads are the foremost in authority, importance and antiquity. Other major scriptures include the Tantras, the Agama, the Purāṇas and the epics Mahābhārata and Rāmāyaṇa. The Bhagavad Gītā, a treatise from the Mahābhārata, spoken by Krishna, is sometimes called a summary of the spiritual teachings of the Vedas. the amount of data is quite vast, with many areas of importance except addressing how life exists. i.e…. or even addressing the common cold She told firstly, we have the Vedas and after a short reflection she said "... and also the Gita". It's only five years later that I understood why. The Gita is the reconciliation of all the different school of thoughts.. be it inside the Hinduism panel or outside... The Gita is impossible to decrypt if everything has not yet been explored. The Bhagavad Gita (Sanskritभगवद्गीता, Bhagavad Gītā, "Song of God") is a Sanskrit text from the chapter Bhishma Parva of the Mahabharata epic, comprising 700 verses Krishna, as the speaker of the Bhagavad Gita, is referred to within as Bhagavan<SUP id=cite_ref-1>[2]</SUP> (the divine one). it is interesting to note that the entire Mahabharata (of which Bhagavad Gita is a part of), has no references to Buddhism at all. Whereas the Buddhist scripture Niddesa<FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3> written in 4 B.C. in the Pali Canon clearly refers to the worship of Vasudeva (ffice:smarttags" /><?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comNirvana from earlier Vedic scriptures in Sanskrit And this is just a single branch of religion. Remember there are another 5 billion folk walking around the earth, looking up. And then observe many many frames of beliefs still observing nature and living in the garden naturally since the beginning of time; are they ‘less than’ any other of the children? Be fair. The idea being shared is to have ‘faith’, the truth will exist rather than suggest it already does. i.e……. that inner voice will share when the truth is known. Simply ask yourself a few questions; What is life? What are ‘good and bad’ equal to all? Will I live forever? What is death? These are universal questions and these must be founded in truth not belief. These are relevant item that has divided as well have been sought by mankind the world over throughout time. So for your computer to work, the items above must also work under a unifying framework; that is the ever present quest of the inner voice; the unifying understanding; the absolute truth. have faith that the universe of all of existence will not fail; trust God Trust HIM within to share what it true by maintaining compassion over the self; trust that inner voice when experiencing life and know HIM (God) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paarsurrey Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 It is said that you should listen to your consicence - also called as the inner voice, the voice of God. But often there are so many voices inside our head. One says - do this. Another says - do that. More than one of these seem to be correct. So, how do you know which of these voices is the voice of conscience? What is Revelation? Promised Messiah explains from his personal experience Paarsurrey says: It would be appropriate here to dwell on the subject from someone who had exprieced revelation from GodAllahYHWH -The Creator of heavens and earth. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad had experieced revelation or Word of God from the Creator. Let us see as to what does he say. Promised Messiah 1835-1908 says: It should be kept well in mind that revelation does not mean that an idea should arise in the mind of a person who sets himself to ponder over a thing as, for instance, a poet having thought out half a verse seeks the other half in his mind and his mind suggests the other half. This is not revelation but is the result of reflection, in accordance with the law of nature. When a person reflects upon something good or bad, a corresponding idea arises in his mind. For instance, one person who is pious and truthful composes verses in support of truth, and another one, who is wicked and vicious, supports falsehood in his verses and abuses the righteous. Both these would, no doubt, write a certain number of verses, and it is quite possible that the verses of the one who is the enemy of the righteous and supports falsehood might be better than the verses of the other one, on account of his greater practice in writing poetry. So, if the arising of an idea in the mind should be accounted as revelation, a vile poet who is the enemy of truth and of the righteous and writes in opposition to the truth and has recourse to imposture, would be called a recipient of divine revelation. Many novels are written in excellent style and set forth altogether false but continuous well arranged tales. Then would these stories be designated as revelation? If revelation were to mean merely an idea arising in one’s mind, a thief would also be called a recipient of revelation, for an expert thief often thinks out surprising ways of theft and robbery, and many clever plans of robbery and murder pass through his mind. Would all these unclean projects be called revelation? Indeed not. Such is the thinking only of those who are not aware of the true God Who comforts the hearts of His servants with His converse and bestows the understanding of spiritual knowledge upon those who are not familiar with it. What then is revelation? It is the living and powerful converse of the Holy and Mighty God with a chosen servant of His, or with one whom He designs to make His elect. When this converse starts in an adequate and satisfactory manner, being altogether free from the darkness of false concepts, and is not composed merely of a few inadequate and meaningless words, and is full of delight and wisdom and grandeur, then it surely is the word of God with which He designs to comfort His servant and to manifest Himself to him. Sometimes revelation is vouchsafed to a person by way of trial and is not equipped with full blessings. In such a case the recipient is put on his trial at this elementary stage so that having tasted somewhat of revelation he should order his life along the lines of those who are true recipients of revelation, in default of which he would encounter frustration. If he does not adopt the ways of the truly righteous he is deprived of the fullness of this bounty and is left only with vain boasting. Millions of the virtuous have been recipients of revelation, but they were not of equal standing in the estimation of God. Indeed, even the holy Prophets of God, who are recipients of divine revelation at the highest level, are not equal in rank, as God Almighty has said: Of these Messengers some have We exalted above others (al-Quran 2:254). This shows that revelation is pure divine grace and is not evidence of exaltation. Exaltation is according to the degree of truth, sincerity, and faithfulness of the recipient, which is known only to God. If revelation possesses all its blessed conditions it is also one of the fruits of such qualities. There is no doubt that if revelation takes the form that the recipient submits a question and God responds to it, and there is a sequence between question and answer, and the revelation is characterized by divine majesty and light, and comprehends knowledge of the unseen and true understanding, it is truly the word of God. It is necessary that divine revelation should be like a dialogue between two friends. Likewise, when God communes with His servant, and when the servant enquires concerning any matter, and in response to that he hears an address, which is sweet and full of linguistic excellence, in matters, in which his mind had not interpolated in the least, that dialogue and revelation can certainly be understood as Word of God. Such servant of Allah, is indeed, great in the sight of Allah; but this exceptional high status of being recipient of the Word of God, as a special favour from Him, which has the quality of absolute clarity and purity, which is not bestowed upon anyone but those, who continuously progress in faith, dedication and righteous deeds. Also there is something extra to it (of spiritual nature) which is beyond us to describe. True and holy revelation displays many wonders of the Godhead. Very often a brilliant light is generated and along with it a majestic and shining revelation is vouchsafed. What could be a greater bounty than this that a recipient of revelation should hold converse with the Being Who is the Creator of the heavens and the earth. God can be seen in this world only through converse with Him. This does not include the condition of a person from whose tongue an idle word, or sentence or verse proceeds unaccompanied by any dialogue. Such a person is under trial by God, for God sometimes tries a slothful and neglectful servant of His in this manner that a sentence or a statement issues from his heart or tongue and he becomes a blind person not knowing whence the statement has proceeded, whether from God or from Satan. Such a one should implore istighfar in respect of such an experience. But if a righteous and virtuous servant of God should experience unobstructed dialogue with the Divine and should hear bright, and delicious, and meaningful, and wise, and majestic divine utterances in a state of complete wakefulness in the shape of question and answer at least ten times, that is to say he put a question and God replied to it and then in complete wakefulness he made another submission and God made answer to it, and he made another humble supplication and God replied to that. This should have happened ten times. If in the course of such dialogue God should accept his prayers and should instruct him in excellent insights and should inform him of coming events and should honour him repeatedly with His clear dialogue, such a one should be deeply grateful to God Almighty and should be more devoted to Him than anyone else, because God, of His pure grace, has chosen him from among His servants and has made him the heir of those faithful ones who have passed on before him. This bounty is most rare and is the height of good fortune. For him on whom it is bestowed everything else is utterly without value. A Characteristic of Islam Islam has always produced persons of this rank. It is Islam alone in which God approaches a servant and holds converse with him and speaks inside him. He builds His throne in the heart of such a one and pulls him from inside towards heaven. He bestows upon him all the bounties that were bestowed on those before him. It is a pity that the blind world does not realise how far a person can reach in nearness to God. They do not step forward themselves, and if another one does so, he is either declared a disbeliever or he is deified and is put in the place of God. Both these are great wrongs which proceed from one extreme or the other. A wise one should not lack high resolve and should not persist in the denial of such an exalted rank being conferred on anyone, and should neither denigrate such a one nor deify him. When a person attains such high rank, God Almighty manifests such relationship with him as if He covers him up with the mantle of His Godhead and such a one becomes a mirror for beholding God. That is why the Holy Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, said: He who has seen me has seen God. This is the last stage in the spiritual progress of man in which he is bestowed full satisfaction. The Speaker is Honoured with Divine Converse I would be guilty of doing great wrong to my fellow beings if I were not to declare at this stage that divine bounty has bestowed upon me the status which I have just defined and has honoured me with the kind of converse the features of which I have just set out in detail, so that I should bestow sight upon the blind and should guide the seekers of the One Who has been so far lost, and should give to those who accept the truth the good news of that holy fountain of which many speak but which few find. I wish to assure the listeners that the God, meeting with Whom is the salvation and eternal welfare of man, cannot be found without following the Holy Quran. Would that the people were to see that which I have seen, and were to hear that which I have heard, and should lay aside mere tales and should run to the truth. The cleansing water which removes all doubt, that mirror through which that Supreme Being can be seen, is converse with the Divine that I have just mentioned. Let him whose soul seeks the truth arise and search. I tell you truly that if souls are charged with true seeking and hearts develop true thirst, people would search for that way and would seek that path. How can that way be discovered, and how can the intervening veil be removed? I assure all seekers that it is Islam alone which conveys the good news of that path. All other people have since long sealed up divine revelation. Be sure, however, that this seal is not imposed by God, but is an excuse that is put forward by man on account of his privation. Be sure that as it is not possible that we should be able to see without eyes, or should be able to hear without ears, or should be able to speak without a tongue, in the same way it is not possible that without the help of the Quran we should be able to behold the countenance of the True Beloved. I was young and am now old but I have not encountered anyone who has quaffed the cup of this visible understanding except out of this holy fountain. The above is a quote from "The Philosophy of Teachings of Islam" by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. Thanks I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amlesh Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 Perhaps Hinduism has a few more than 2 Well, for sure it does have more than 2. And this is just a single branch of religion. Remember there are another 5 billion folk walking around the earth, looking up. And then observe many many frames of beliefs still observing nature and living in the garden naturally since the beginning of time; are they ‘less than’ any other of the children? Be fair. The idea being shared is to have ‘faith’, the truth will exist rather than suggest it already does. i.e……. that inner voice will share when the truth is known. Simply ask yourself a few questions; What is life? What are ‘good and bad’ equal to all? Will I live forever? What is death? These are universal questions and these must be founded in truth not belief. These are relevant item that has divided as well have been sought by mankind the world over throughout time. So for your computer to work, the items above must also work under a unifying framework; that is the ever present quest of the inner voice; the unifying understanding; the absolute truth. have faith that the universe of all of existence will not fail; trust God Trust HIM within to share what it true by maintaining compassion over the self; trust that inner voice when experiencing life and know HIM (God) The Gita can't be classified as a religion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srikanthdk71 Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 What is Revelation? Promised Messiah explains.........peaceful Muslim Well that was exhausting. The question was directed to you and needed a reply of you experience. Many quotations also can be made from smritis which is related to inner voice. But that seems irrelevent to the questioner. Paarsurrey.. dont you hear an inner voice at all? If yes, what is your experience? Share it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARJ Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 The above is a quote from "The Philosophy of Teachings of Islam" by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. Is it really from "The Philosophy of Teachings of Islam" by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad or from the 'Kitab al-Maknun' ? btw why do you have to tell each time, that your a 'Peaceful Muslim' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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