Are the Indians really going to the moon, OR is this also a BIG hoax?

Sarva gattah · November 7, 2008

Moon probe set for lunar arrival. Is it a hoax?

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=vX7cnzvD8OM

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The probe has looped out to the Moon; now it must circle in on the lunar body

India's Chandrayaan 1 spacecraft has moved itself into a position ready to enter into orbit around the Moon.

Since its launch on 22 October, the satellite has been gradually extending its distance from Earth.

The latest engine firing put the probe on a looping trajectory that sweeps out to some 380,000km from home.

A further firing on Saturday will allow Chandrayaan to tuck in around the lunar body from where it can begin its two-year surface-mapping mission.

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</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>Tuesday's orbit-raising manoeuvre was the fifth such event overseen by the Indian space agency's (ISRO) Telemetry, Tracking and Command Network (ISTRAC) in Bangalore; with support from Indian Deep Space Network antennas at Byalalu.

Ground controllers instructed the spacecraft's 440-Newton liquid engine to fire for about two-and-a-half minutes to get Chandrayaan on to the Lunar Transfer Trajectory.

The probe's orbit now sweeps out to the lunar distance (apogee) before coming back around the Earth (perigee).

A braking manoeuvre on 8 November will allow Chandrayaan to be captured by the Moon's gravity.

Further brakings will bring the Indian Moon mapper down to a near-circular, 100km orbit.

The robotic probe will compile a 3D atlas of the lunar surface and map the distribution of elements and minerals.

Earlier this week, ISRO released pictures Chandrayaan had taken of Earth. Its Terrain Mapping Camera grabbed spectacular views of Australia.

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COMMENT as the 'devils advocate' - ISKCON's policy that the 1969 moon landing was a hoax is clearly exposed in todays 2008 technological world as complete nonsense.

So why didn't they go to the moon?

As far as many devotees today are concerned, they believe man went to the moon but never entered the ethereal sub-space moon that is there.

However, in todays world, the evidence is far too strong for ISKCON leaders to keep denying man walked on the moon which is wrong, they should be saying man never entered the heavenly moon dimension that exists there. It's like telling us when we get on a jumbo jet, it doesn't really fly, they just make us believe it flys!!

Next time you go to a ISKCON Temple ask them about this and without a doubt devotees will say the moon landing was a hoax and then abruptly change the subjected. Why? Because they really don't know

Could this blind faith infact, be similar to the same kind of ignorant religious 'faith' that kept Europe Christians believeing the world was flat 600 years ago??

Some yogis believe there are 10,000 mile high mountains in the European Alps (well, such tall Mountains, that would reach into space, are certainly not is our dimension)

Why would Prahupada also tell us such things if we can't see them?

Because what we see is only a very small portion of what the material universe ACTUALLY looks like.

Not only are there other dimensions within our biological realm, but there in an underlinning ethereal world or sub-space reality that we cannot percieve with our biological senses and their technological enhancements like the Hubble Telescope or the Electron Microscope.

Our biological senses cannot perceive sub-space Ethereal material matter with the Hubble Telescope

Also our biological senses cannot perceive sub-space Ethereal material matter with the Electron Microscopy Facility.

This is because the gross biological senses cannot detect sub-space ethereal material matter that includes ghostly vessels that contain the baddha-jiva (soul)

theist · November 9, 2008

Not a hoax but certainly a colossal waste of time.

suchandra · November 9, 2008

Not a hoax but certainly a colossal waste of time.

and money. These scientists surely have intermediaries in the governments and media who sell the necessity of so called scientific research to the people.

After all it is tax money what is being used for all these useless experiments.

Because people are not informed, clueless, they let it all happen uncommented and even pay for it with tax money.

weallshineon · November 10, 2008

Not a hoax but certainly a colossal waste of time.

Agree, only a few dim-wits now think landing on the moon was a hoax although, I find the following interesting

Light of the Bhāgavata

by His Divine Grace A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda

The moon, or Candraloka, is one of the four important places of residence for the demigods. Beyond Mānasa Lake is Sumeru Mountain.

On the eastern side of this mountain is the planet Devadhānī, where Indra resides. On the southern side is the planet known as Saṁyamanī, where Yamarāja resides.

On the western side is the planet known as Nimlocanī, the residence of Vāyu, the demigod who controls the wind. And on the northern side of the mountain is the moon, which is also known as Vibhāvarī.

All these various planets are within the universe in which our planet is situated. Persons who are too materialistic always engage in sense enjoyment. Such persons worship the material demigods and goddesses to fulfill their material desires.

They are fond of performing many yajñas to propitiate the various demigods and the forefathers in heaven. Such persons are automatically promoted to the moon, where they enjoy soma, a celestial beverage.

The moon is too cold for the inhabitants of this earth, and therefore ordinary persons who want to go there with earthly bodies are attempting to do so in vain. Merely seeing the moon from a distance cannot enable one to understand the real situation of the moon.

One has to cross Mānasa Lake and then Sumeru Mountain, and only then can one trace out the orbit of the moon. Besides that, no ordinary man is allowed to enter that planet.

Even those admitted there after death must have performed the prescribed duties to satisfy the pitās and devas. Yet even they are sent back to earth after a fixed duration of life-on the moon.

Men with developed consciousness, therefore, do not waste time making excursions, real or imaginary, to the moon. Such intelligent persons do not endeavor to achieve temporary sense enjoyment. Rather, they apply their conserved energy for the sake of spiritual cultivation.

They discharge religious duties for the satisfaction of the Supreme Lord, and not for personal sense enjoyment.

The signs of such exceptional devotees of the Lord are that they are unattached to material enjoyment, contented, pure in heart, attached to devotional service, free from affection for temporary things, and devoid of false ego.

According to Vedic injunctions, such great personalities ultimately attain the place where the Supreme Personality of Godhead predominates and where there is no death, no birth, no old age, and no disease.

On the way to these spiritual planets, such personalities pass through the sun line called arcir-mārga. And on the way they can see all the planets between here and the spiritual world.

Svarupa · November 14, 2008

India plants flag on Moon!!

"Impact probe" crashlands to 'material mundane' glory

14th November 2008 16:55 GMT

India has become the fourth nation to join the stuff-on-the-Moon club, after the Chandrayaan-1 spacecraft in lunar orbit successfully launched an impact probe at the lunar surface this afternoon. The 35-kg impactor was blazoned with the Indian flag.

"It will signify the entry of India on Moon," an Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) official said, quoted by the Times of India. The probe drop was described as a "perfect operation".

The Moon Impact Probe (MIP) module was primarily intended "to demonstrate the technologies required for landing the probe at a desired location on the Moon", according to ISRO.

It consisted of a "honeycomb structure" and carried a video camera and a mass spectrometer for examination of the tenuous lunar atmosphere during descent.

Indian TV reported the story under the headers "Indian flag lands on lunar surface" and "Tricolour on Moon".

Chandrayaan-1 will remain in orbit above the Moon for two years, carrying out scientific research. Apart from the MIP it carries a further ten experiments and instruments.

It's all a dream of the baddha-jiva anyway which is also ultimately the DREAM of Maha-Vishnu, so who gives a rats a*** :sleep: :sleep: :sleep: :sleep: :sleep: :sleep: :sleep: :sleep: :sleep:

In a million years everything will be forgotten and be as if it never existed or never even happened, like all dreams, they fade and be as if they never were

MAYA - That which is not!!

Svarupa · November 14, 2008

<CENTER style="PADDING-RIGHT: 3ex; PADDING-LEFT: 3ex">Can you see the Flag on the Moon with a Telescope?</CENTER>

The answer is basically "not a chance". No Earthbound telescope can see the flag on the Moon. Why not? For openers, the Earth's atmosphere is never steady enough to allow resolution below about one arc second for most locations. Beyond that, the telescope required to "see" the flag would need to be absolutely huge! Here is some basic analysis to show what would be needed:

Method 1

Method 1 will use simple proportions to show what would be needed. The Moon's diameter is approximately 2160 miles. The Moon is nominally about 245,000 miles from Earth, and at this distance it subtends a diameter of about 30 arc minutes in the sky as seen from Earth.

There are 60 arc seconds per arc minute, so the Moon is about 1800 arc seconds across. Let's figure out how many arc seconds represent one mile. The calculation is straightforward: if 1800 seconds = 2160 miles, then 1 mile = .83 arc seconds (basically just divide 1800 by 2160).

So, now we know that 1 mile is about .83 arc seconds. How big is the flag? I do not know for sure but let's assume it is 3 feet long on the long side. How many arc seconds is this? We know that 1 mile = .83 arc seconds; the flag is 3/5280 miles wide (or about 5.682e-4 miles).

To find out the arc seconds, we simply multiply this value by .83 to get 4.716e-4 arc seconds. A long time ago someone named Dawes determined that the resolution of an optical telescope is basically 4.5 divided by the telescope's diameter (in inches). So, from that we can rearrange the equation to say that the diameter of the telescope needed (in inches) is 4.5 divided by the resolution required (arc seconds).

Dividing 4.5 by4.716e-4 comes out to be 9542 inches. Converting this to feet yields about 795 FEET! And this would be the required telescope diameter to JUST BARELY see the flag at all! And, it would only be just visible as a small dot, it would not "look" like a flag at all. Let's say we really want to see the flag and have it look like a flag. We'll have to make some assumptions again. Let's assume that the stripes on the flag are 2 inches wide and we want to just be able to see them.

Using the same method as above we can come up with an answer. In this case we need to be able to see something that is 2/12/5280 miles wide, or 3.157e-5 miles. We multiply this by .83 to get the resolution (2.62e-5). Dividing 4.5 by this number yields 171759 inches, or about 14300 FEET! This value is also about 2.7 miles. Clearly it is not possible to build an optical telescope of this size. So, basically the Flag on the Moon remains "invisible" to us here on Earth.

Method 2

Method 2 will use trigonometry to show the same basic result as above (to be added).

What about the Hubble Space Telescope?

As powerful as Hubble is (above the limits of the Earth's atmosphere), it has no chance of seeing the Flag on the Moon. What could it see? Well, Hubble has a mirror that is 98 inches in diameter. That gives it a resolution of 4.5/98 or about 0.046 arc seconds.

If one does the math, this translates to a resolution of about 292 feet. So, Hubble could just detect an object that was 292 feet across on the Moon. To see any detail on an object, it would have to be somewhat larger.

To put this in perspective, if a typical pro football stadium was located on the Moon Hubble could make out some basic details (the field could just barely be made out in the center of a very small oval).

Conclusion - you can't prove man went to the moon from telescopes on earth. However, like many others, I now am convienced the American did go to the moon.

ISKCON shouldn't worry, the Catholic Church survived their belief that the world was created in six days, althoufh the Pope did work very hard to defeat and even imprision or kill the philosophers and scientists of the day (14th and 15th Century) yjat spoke of such things