sandhu.jp Posted January 1, 2009 Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 Part -I Base of Astrology Vedic astrology is a subject originated in Vedas. It is a branch of knowledge, ancient as Vedas. Astrology is composed of 3 Skandhas (main branches), such as Sidhantha (Astronomy and Maths), Samhitha (Omens) and Hora (Horoscope-Horary and Muhoortha). Astrology was also called Kalavidhana Sastha (Ancient advice about Time and its divisions). To determine the nature of time (past-present and future), to find out how the flow of time impacts humans and other animals and plants, and their life containing pleasures and pains, is the aim of this branch of knowledge. It is the root purpose of Astrology. Time is the cause for everything that is good and bad (pleasure or pain) in life. Time is the cause of all movements. Even thought is a time bound (It is also a movement). Even thought cannot break away form the boundaries caused by time, your past present and experience. To predict the happenings (incidents) of life, we should study time. But we cannot see, touch, or hear time, but can know and comprehend it with our mind and analyze it. This is possible only because we can observe movements. It is by watching movements that the concept of time originates in our mind. The movements on Earth (The flying of birds, fall of withered leaves, the flowering of plants etc), the sunrise and sunset, the waxing and waning of moon, if you watch in detail (even the subtleties in cosmic movements) the movements of planets - every thing shows us the existence of time. Time is the cause of movements. It is the cause for the movement of Earth, Moon and Planets. It is the cause for life and death of plants, animals, and humans, it is the cause of all our worldly conditions - birth, marriage, accident, disease, death, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandhu.jp Posted January 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 All these classifications are there or not - the time will prevail. Existing always there - beyond... Yes, all the classifications are wrong. But human brain cannot live without them. That is why it is said that every branch of study is nothing but “attempts to comprehend the incomprehensible and complete world with fragmented classifications”. In a fragmented mirror the reflected world would also be fragmented. It is the fundamental limitation of human brain or mind. That is why it is said, “the eternal truth is realized only in a mindless state”. The Vedic verse that says, “where the mind turns back with the unreachable words (etho vacha nivarthanthe aprapya manasa saha) - that is truth” also points in this direction. Due to all this we cannot but accept the fundamental error of trying to comprehend the non-fragmented existence (world), with the fragmented mind. Can’t we at least avoid the second error, i.e. trying to limit astrology into some predefined boxes such as science or art? Can’t we avoid such arguments as whether astrology is art or science? Try to comprehend astrology in its true theoretical foundation. View science as science and art as art, don’t mix-up all. Like humanity is a quality of man neither limited by class-creed-color-religioncast etc, astrology cannot be limited within the classifications such as science or art. When I see the efforts of people to classify astrology into predefined moulds such as science or art, I am just feeling compassionate, because even these classifications are unscientific and nonsystematic. A relevant doubt is, how to classify all the subjects under human study. The thought process of human mind can be broadly classified into two - 1) Analytical 2) Wholistic. The astrologer refers to this duality using the words ooha-apoha, mathematician’s uses the words Differentiation -Integration, and others uses the technical term Analytical approach-Wholistic approach. What ever be the terms used they point to the fundamental Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandhu.jp Posted January 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 difference in the thinking approach. These are two different thinking methods. Most of the braches of knowledge we have today is the product of one of these approaches. Science is the product of analytical approach. We used to say that science tries to study everything by dividing it into smaller and smaller parts. Science has its own method (based on analytical approach) called Scientific method. Data collection, concept formation, analysis, verification are part of it. A theory is the final output. These theories may later herald as the true mirrors or knowledge (laws), or based on new data input refined or discarded. Thus science is a continuous search for truth. Starting from small laws that controls our daily life, unstopping it searches for a single law that comprehends everything and describes the whole world. Some theories that are refined further and further become stronger rationally and experimentally, and heralded as laws, that becomes the foundation of science and promotes further study. Physics, Chemistry, Botany, Zoology etc are all branches of science. Maths even though does not follow the scientific method, has a systematic foundation and is a product of analytical approach. “Fact to generalization” is the prime motto of analytical approach. But wholistic study method is an entirely different one. The wholistic approach also had given raise to many branches of knowledge. Let us start from the most common example - i.e. Psychology. Psychology says that all the mental diseases (which may have even physical symptoms) are caused by unhealthiness of mind. In other words Psychology finds its foundation in the concept called Mind. If we knew all about the processes in brain, nervous system, and the chemical reactions in brain and body this concept of mind will not be necessary. We feel the Mind because of the combined and coordinated function of all these. Even though we cannot find Mind by subdividing the body in to its minutest parts (i.e. by physical analysis) nobody will say that psychology is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandhu.jp Posted January 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 a useless subject. By using the classifications such as conscious - subconscious -unconscious, id-ego-superego (or the Indian classical division chitt-budhi-ahankara), we believe that psychology leads us towards truth. All the branches of knowledge that originates from wholistic method use one or more non-provable concepts as its foundation, which are accepted based on their usefulness. Psychology is no exception to that. The ancient Indians used the word Sasthra (ancient advice) to indicate such branches of study. Psychology that speaks about Mind, Ayurveda that speaks about Tridosha (Vatha, Pitha and Kapha), Homeopathy and Naturopath that speaks about Vital force, Astrology that speaks about Planets and Signs (Rasis) all are the product of wholistic approach. In this sense subjects such as Psychology, Ayurveda, Homeopathy, Naturopathy, Astrology etc does not come under the broad classification called Science. Still we know that nobody will dare to say that Psychology, Ayurveda etc are useless. In the view of ancient people sasthras leads us to truth, they helps us to comprehend truth more clearly, they helps us to know truth that are useful for our existence. Astrology that depends on wholistic approach is no exception to this. In this study method called wholistic approach, firstly to cover all our ignorance about the details of something and to help the further study, some basic concepts are formulated. This hypothetical foundation becomes a springboard for further study. Here also psychology can be taken as a suitable example. When we know 100% about the processes and behavior of brain and body, when we understands which chemical reactions leads to each thought and emotion, when we could clearly state how and where memory is encoded (with its minutest details), when we attain the ability to control all these using chemical and physical mechanisms (machine driven or otherwise) we could discard the concept of mind and psychology. Till then psychology will exist, no matter how ever the scientists express their reaction to it. Similarly when we understands how Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandhu.jp Posted January 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 the rhythm of time impacts the living organisms and their life incidents (100% i.e. to its minutest details) astrology will also be discarded. Till then whatever opposing arguments originate, this branch of knowledge will prevail. Even those who accept that Psychology Ayurveda Homeopathy etc are wholistic methods, tend to reject astrology. Why? They ask - How can you say that astrology is based on a fundamental concept like Mind, Tridosha or Vital force used by other branches of wholistic approach? Can you consider Sun Moon and Planets as concepts? Signs (Rasis) such as Aries, Taurus are the divisions of sky - how can they be concepts? All who sincerely study the ancient Vedic astrology knows the answers to such questions. I will explain. Think that we collect the common characteristics or life incidents of children born, when the sun is in some particular sign. Instead of considering these characteristics as that of time, they are projected to sun. Sun is considered the significator of all such characteristics. Later when the sun in the same sign, if a child is born, we predict that, that child will have those predefined (precollected) characteristics. It is a sort of give and take policy. The technique of projecting the characteristics those are not of sun to sun, and later taking them back from sun. Here the sun becomes not the sun that we see with our naked eyes. Sun becomes a concept. This sun is the god Siva, father, gold, soul, courage, success, light, king, govt. service, light, forest, peak, hill... and so many other things. Sun is man, middle-aged, bald, and the significator of diseases due to heat. All these ideas are formed thus. Not only the Sun, Moon and the Planets becomes concepts in this way. What ever is called significators in astrology, they are all concepts (Hypothetical constructs to mould the truth). Yes, in astrology Planets, Houses and Signs are called significators. Therefore Signs, Houses and Planets are the basic concepts used in wholistic study Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandhu.jp Posted January 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 method called astrology. Apart from this some other basic concepts that are used by Vedic culture such as Panchabootha (Earth- Water-Fire-Air-Sky), Triguna (Sathwa-Rajas-Thamas) etc are also well utilized in astrology. Of the two approaches such as Analytical approach and Wholistic approach, Astrology and Ayurveda is closer to wholistic approach. As these two methods (Analytical and Wholistic) are fundamental to the thought process itself, why should they compete each other? Why should the branches of study that are part of wholistic approach try fruitlessly to become part of science (a product of analytical approach)? Even physics should resort to the use of concepts such as stress, strain, force, time etc. Ayurveda cannot stand away from the fact that the use of its methods should cure the patient. The world we see is composed of both facts and concepts (matter and mind). Because of all this, the analytical approach that takes facts as the starting point and the wholistic approach that takes concepts at the starting point should ultimately meet and help each other to the ultimate fulfillment of human knowledge. They are like yin and yang, the opposing counter parts of one and the same thing. As both of them are the foundation of thought process itself - one defeating the other is impossible. Don’t think that even this classification such as Analytical and Wholistic is complete. Don’t ever think that you can bring all the subjects under the sun into this classification. As I told earlier, all the classifications are nothing but the creations of human mind. The truth would remain outside all classifications. In this case also it is true. (Just think of bringing subjects such as art and history into this classification. You will see what I mean!!) A Vedic astrologer should be ready to approach astrology with such realizations, because astrology is part of a wholistic approach to study the rhythm of time and make probabilistic predications. Hope I have succeeded in conveying the idea that I had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandhu.jp Posted January 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 Outline of holistic subjects We can structurally classify the subject matter dealt within any holistic subject (Such as astrology, Vastu sastra, Ayurveda etc) into the following 4 categories: 1) Philosophy 2) Concepts 3) Rules 4) Rituals. Let us understand this in a better way by taking astrology as an example. 1) Philosophy The philosophy such as "Sarva vidyam Brahma vidya Pratishtam" (All knowledge is based on Brahma vidya – the knowledge of the soul and the eternal) is at the root of astrology. Everything is a small print of the eternal. The microcosm and the macrocosm is in rhythmic correlation. We cannot define the eternal Brahman or the duality it has with in, popularly known as Prakriti (Matter) and Purusha (Energy + Time). Brahman represents the spacetime continuum and anything beyond it. It also includes everything the mind can understand and everything beyond it. Brahman (of which space and time is just components) is the reality and what we understand though the classifications and theorems is just the reflection. Mind can only reflect truth and can never comprehend it. The Sun and its reflectionon in water should be entirely different in essence, though seems to be similar. Understanding this truth is the first step in utilizing the study methods (scientific or holistic) provided by the mind itself. So in reality we can not define Brahman (Since every definition has existence only within mind, and Brahman represents mind and things beyond it. Every theorem exists only in mind). Same is the case with Prakriti and Purusha. Even though we cannot define the eternal (Let it be Brahman, Purusha or Prakriti), it can have many practical definitions. For example in Astrology – Purusha = Kala Purusha (Energy + Time) Prakriti = Zodiac (3 Dimensional Space including sky and Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandhu.jp Posted January 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 planets) In Vastu Sastra– Purusha = Vastu Purusha (Built space + Energy) Prakriti = Vastu (3 dimensional space including as land and environment) In Ayurveda– Purusha = Body (Soul + Mind + Body) Prakriti = Nature (Nature of body + Environment) Any one can expand/explore this or similar philosophic content in astrology or in any other holistic subject. The holistic philosophic content is a thread that is common to all holistic subjects. 2) Concepts (i) Concept of Universe (Zodiac) The universe around us ( for the people living in earth) is spherical in shape. We can use the ecliptic to represent the circular horizontal plane in it and the celestial poles represents the other two directions up and below that sphere. But this spherical representation causes problems, since it is difficult to project the 8 directions correctly in it, and it is difficult to draw. Therefore in astrology the spherical circular shape of the zodiac is represented as a square. Yes, as you know it is the Rasi chakra (The Zodiac), as popularly known to us, starting from the first point of Aries and Aswini stellar division. (Reasons for fixing this point as the first point and dividing the ecliptic into 30 deg and 13 deg 20 min divisions etc is the stuff for another discussion, involving lot of mathematics. Chandrahari has done it in an excellent way in his book Hindu Zodiac) Other similar/fundamental concepts in astrology are : (ii) Kala Purusha (iii) Prakriti-Purusha (iv) Signs (v)Planets (vi) Houses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandhu.jp Posted January 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 vii) Nakshatras (viii) Pancha Bhoota etc I invite others to go into the depths or give an introduction to such concepts in astrology for the benefit of all, for the benefit of beginners for understanding them as concepts. Here, in this discussion, the point I want to emphasis is that, many such concepts forms the foundation for any holistic subject. 3) Rules The Rules can be divided into two – Laws and Principles. Well tested, well founded, unchangeable rules with a mathematical precession are termed Laws. And the flexible and simple rules that are used to describe, modify, expand and apply the Laws can be termed principles. Laws are nothing but, well accepted principles. Let us understand them in the light of astrology. (i) Laws Even though we have the concepts in its place, we need to know the laws to utilize those concepts. In astrology it starts with- (a) Rules to divide the zodiac into Signs and Nakshatras.(b) The 7-fold rule for calculating Yogas (which ultimately lead to prediction) © The rules for calculating Dasa and Gochara. (ii) Principles Let us understand them with some examples- (a) Rules that explain how the Signs, Houses, Nakshatras and Planets can be made use in prediction. (b) Rules that tells us about the 7-fold prediction system and the exceptions related to it. © Rules to be followed while predicting with Dasa and Gochara. Almost the whole of the astrology is nothing but this rules (which base themselves on the fundamental concepts) and there application. 5)Rituals Rituals that is associated with implementation etc. For example- (i) Rituals (Actions) associated with Prasna such as deter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandhu.jp Posted January 1, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 of Arudha.(ii) Rituals associated with worshiping of the signs, planets etc.(iii) Remedial rituals associated with etc In this short essay I have tried to categorize the content dealt with in any holistic subject taking astrology as an example. Yes, the categorization of subject matter into- Philosophy, Concepts, Rules, Rituals is important in any holistic subject. This fundamental classification should be considered, and any subject should be weighed against this, so as to ascertain whether it is holistic or not. If it is a holistic subject, then it will fit into this categorization and also will not obey the path of scientific method Any comments on this regard are welcome. I also request others to weigh other subjects such as Yoga, Vastu, Naturopathy, Psychology, Ayurveda etc as per these structural norms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watchthisfree Posted January 1, 2009 Report Share Posted January 1, 2009 sandhuji, thanks a lot. you are like an ocean of knowledge. i always enjoy your posts here. can you please give me some info about the KP system ie the Krishnamurthi padhdhati? a little explaination with an example or two will suffice. i am right now trying to learn it as it is said to be more accurate in deciding the timing of an event. thanks a lot and happy new year to all of here. regards, ravi................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astroseeker Posted January 2, 2009 Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 Hello Sandhuji, when you " cut and paste " materials from other's writings , pl give credit to them. otherwise you and this site , can be sued for copyright protection laws. This article has been written by SREENATH.OG. His email id is " sreesog@. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandhu.jp Posted January 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2009 Dear Astroseeker, Thanks for the input, i never claimed the write up to be mine , you are right due credit should be given to the authors, its only now that i have the complete article ,previously when i posted it it was just in the shape i posted it. When i contribute something of my own i usually end the posting with regards and my name. Please see the title it clearly mentions it as collected articles on astrology. Please see the other posts to note that i do mention the authors name whenever the name is available. Regards J.s.sandhu Hello Sandhuji, when you " cut and paste " materials from other's writings , pl give credit to them. otherwise you and this site , can be sued for copyright protection laws.This article has been written by SREENATH.OG. His email id is " sreesog@. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anusha Posted January 4, 2009 Report Share Posted January 4, 2009 Dear Sandhu Ji/ Shridhar Ji, Pranams KP Ayanamsa & Lahiri Ayanamsa -Both seem almost same.Please correct,If not so. Warm regards, Anusha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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