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[Sonic Yogi]

chant Hare Krishna and be very happy......feel the bliss... taste the juice...

 

chant Hare Krishna and you WILL love it!!!

[Sonic Yogi]

 

Bhagavad-gītā As It Is 3.27

 

prakṛteḥ kriyamāṇāni

 

guṇaiḥ karmāṇi sarvaśaḥ

 

ahańkāra-vimūḍhātmā

 

kartāham iti manyate

 

SYNONYMS

 

prakṛteḥ — of material nature; kriyamāṇāni — being done; guṇaiḥ — by the modes; karmāṇi — activities; sarvaśaḥ — all kinds of; ahańkāra-vimūḍha — bewildered by false ego; ātmā — the spirit soul; kartā — doer; aham — I; iti — thus; manyate — he thinks.

 

TRANSLATION

 

The spirit soul bewildered by the influence of false ego thinks himself the doer of activities that are in actuality carried out by the three modes of material nature.

[Sonic Yogi]

 

Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu instructed His disciples to write books on the science of Krsna, a task which His followers have continued to carry out down to the present day. The elaborations and expositions on the philosophy taught by Lord Caitanya are, in fact, the most voluminous, exacting, and consistent, due to the system of disciplic succession. Although Lord Caitanya was widely renowned as a scholar in His youth, He left only eight verses, called Siksastaka. These eight verses clearly reveal His mission and precepts. These supremely valuable prayers are translated herein.

<center>1</center> cetah-of the heart; darpana-the mirror; mârjanam-cleansing; bhava-of material existence; mahâ-dâva-agni-the blazing forest fire; nirvâpanam-extinguishing; s'reyah-of good fortune; kairava-the white lotus; candrikâ-the moonshine; vitaranam-spreading; vidyâ-of all education; vadhû-wife; jîvanam-the life; ânanda-of bliss; ambudhi-the ocean; vardhanam-increasing; prati-padam-at every step; pûrna-amrita-of the full nectar; asvâdanam-giving a taste; sarva-for everyone; âtma-snapanam-bathing of the self; param-transcendental; vijayate-let there be victory; s'rî-krishna-sankîrtanam-for the congregational chanting of the holy name of Krishna.

Glory to the sri-krsna-sankirtana, which cleanses the heart of all the dust accumulated for years and extinguishes the fire of conditional life, of repeated birth and death. This sankirtana movement is the prime benediction for humanity at large because it spreads the rays of the benediction moon. It is the life of all transcendental knowledge. It increases the ocean of transcendental bliss, and it enables us to fully taste the nectar for which we are always anxious.

<center>2</center> nâmnâm-of the holy names of the Lord; akâri-manifested; bahudhâ-various kinds; nija-sarva-s'aktih-all kinds of personal potencies; tatra-in that; arpitâ-bestowed; niyamitah-restricted; smarane-in remembering; na-not; kâlah-consideration of time; etâdris'î-so much; tava-Your; kripâ-mercy; bhagavan-O Lord; mama-My; api-although; durdaivam-misfortune; îdris'am-such; iha-in this (the holy name); ajani-was born; na-not; anurâgah-attachment.

O my Lord, Your holy name alone can render all benediction to living beings, and thus You have hundreds and millions of names, like Krsna and Govinda. In these transcendental names You have invested all Your transcendental energies. There are not even hard and fast rules for chanting these names. O my Lord, out of kindness You enable us to easily approach You by Your holy names, but I am so unfortunate that I have no attraction for them.

<center>3</center> trinât api-than downtrodden grass; sunîcena-being lower; taroh-than a tree; iva-like; sahishnunâ-with tolerance; amâninâ-without being puffed up by false pride; mânadena-giving respect to all; kîrtanîyah-to be chanted; sadâ-always; harih-the holy name of the Lord.

One should chant the holy name of the Lord in a humble state of mind, thinking oneself lower than the straw in the street; one should be more tolerant than a tree, devoid of all sense of false prestige, and should be ready to offer all respect to others. In such a state of mind one can chant the holy name of the Lord constantly.(Caitanya-caritâmrita, Antya-lîlâ 20.21)

<center>4</center> na-not; dhanam-riches; na-not; janam-followers; na-not; sundarîm-a very beautiful woman; kavitâm-fruitive activities described in flowery language; vâ-or; jagat-îs'a-O Lord of the universe; kâmaye-I desire; mama-My; janmani-in birth; janmani-after birth; îs'vare-unto the Supreme Personality of Godhead; bhavatât-let there be; bhaktih-devotional service; ahaitukî-with no motives; tvayi-unto You.

O almighty Lord, I have no desire to accumulate wealth, nor do I desire beautiful women nor do I want any number of followers. I only want Your causeless devotional service, birth after birth.

<center>5</center> ayi-O my Lord; nanda-tanuja-the son of Nanda Mahârâja, Krijna; kinkaram-the servant; patitam-fallen; mâm-me; vijame-horrible; bhava-ambudhau-in the ocean of nescience; kripayâ-by causeless mercy; tava-Your; pâda-pankaja-lotus feet; sthita-situated at; dhûlî-sadris'am-like a particle of dust; vicintaya-kindly consider.

O son of Maharaja Nanda (Krsna], I am Your eternal servitor, yet somehow or other I have fallen into the ocean of birth and death. Please pick me up from this ocean of death and place me as one of the atoms at Your lotus feet.

<center>6</center> nayanam-the eyes; galat-as'ru-dhârayâ-by streams of tears running down; vadanam-mouth; gadgada-faltering; ruddhayâ-choked up; girâ-with words; pulakaih-with standing up of the hairs due to transcendental happiness; nicitam-covered; vapuh-the body; kadâ-when; tava-Your; nâma-grahane-in chanting the name; bhavijyati-will be.

O my Lord, when will my eyes be decorated with tears of love flowing constantly when I chant Your holy name? When will my voice choke up, and when will the hairs of my body stand on end at the recitation of Your name?

<center>7</center> yugâyitam-appearing like a great millennium; nimejena-by a moment; cakjujâ-from the eyes; prâvrijâyitam-tears falling like torrents of rain; s'ûnyâyitam-appearing void; jagat-the world; sarvam-all; govinda-from Lord Govinda, Krijna; virahena me-by my separation.

O Govinda! Feeling Your separations I am considering a moment to be like twelve years or more. Tears are flowing from my eyes like torrents of rain, and I am feeling all vacant in the world in Your absence.

<center>8</center> âs'lishya-embracing with great pleasure; vâ-or; pâda-ratâm-who have fallen at the lotus feet; pinashtu-let Him trample; mâm-me; adars'anât-by not being visible; marma-hatâm-brokenhearted; karotu-let Him make; vâ-or; yathâ-as (He likes); tathâ-so; va-or; vidadhâtu-let Him do; lampatah-a debauchee, who mixes with other women; mat-prâna-nâthah-the Lord of My life; tu-but; sah-He; eva-only; na aparah-not anyone else.

I know no one but Krsna as my Lord, and He shall remain so even if He handles me roughly by His embrace or makes me brokenhearted by not being present before me. He is completely free to do anything and everything, for He is always my worshipful Lord, unconditionally.

 

[Beggar]

 

chant Hare Krishna and be very happy......feel the bliss... taste the juice...

 

chant Hare Krishna and you WILL love it!!!

 

 

I'm trying to chant but nothing's happening?

 

 

[Beggar]

 

 

I'm trying to chant but nothing's happening?

 

 

 

 

And humor aside, this is actually an honest statement!

[AncientMariner]

 

And humor aside, this is actually an honest statement!

 

 

 

Well at least you are not talking to yourself and answering with another id. Just kidding.

 

 

I thought this thread would degrade once it took a certain direction but it has turned out to be a pretty good discussion worth being a fly on the wall and listening to.

[Sonic Yogi]

 

And humor aside, this is actually an honest statement!

 

Judging by the depth of your writings and realizations, there is definitely something happening.

 

Maybe you aren't fallen enough?

 

Remember.......Patita Pavana....... Gaurahari?

 

When you finally hit bottom, there is no where to go but up.

 

Just ask me...... I 'll tell ya'....

[Sonic Yogi]

 

And humor aside, this is actually an honest statement!

 

Humor aside...... the Holy Name has finally proved to me to be the ONLY pleasure in this miserable world.

 

I can't explain it, but in the last few months the Holy Name has given me a new lease on life.

It's almost like a drug.......addictive, feels real good and makes you want more, more......more.

 

It's a wonderful thing.

I can't explain it, but chanting Hare Krishna is so much pleasure and sweetness that I don't have to run on faith alone anymore.

 

I feel the juice and the pleasure.

 

Why me?

I am just a fallen soul.

 

It's hard to imagine that everyone doesn't experience the bliss and the sweetness of the Holy Name.

 

You can even taste it on your tongue.

 

It is nothing short of incredible.

 

Chant Hare Krishna.

[andy108]

 

I think what he means is that Caitanya is the central focus...and the unifying point for us all. Each subsequent acarya will always point to Gaura tattva. Gaura tattva is the goal.

 

 

Your statement above may have some merit, yet it is spoken in a way that excludes all the other valid reasons he said what he said.

 

It is like when one of SP's disciples was resisting the order to implement DVD within Iskcon by citing the conclusion of Mahaprabhu's conversation with Ramananda Raya as a reason why he and his fellow sadhakas were already too advanced to follow Srila Prabhupada's instructions.

 

Where in one of his purports Srila Prabhupada actually uses one of the earlier answers Ramananda Raya gave to Mahaprabhu as justification for him implementing Varnasrama in his Movement!

 

And in response, SP challenged, "who is going to be like Ramananda Raya?"

 

Of course Srila Prabhupada pointed to Mahaprabhu's examples as acarya, and wanted us to come to understand his mysterious hidden glories but this never trumps his admonishment to follow his (SP's) instructions and to understand past acarya's methods by hearing from him about it. As a matter of fact that is prerequisite to gain the confidential understandings.

[AncientMariner]

 

Humor aside...... the Holy Name has finally proved to me to be the ONLY pleasure in this miserable world.

 

I can't explain it, but in the last few months the Holy Name has given me a new lease on life.

It's almost like a drug.......addictive, feels real good and makes you want more, more......more.

 

It's a wonderful thing.

I can't explain it, but chanting Hare Krishna is so much pleasure and sweetness that I don't have to run on faith alone anymore.

 

I feel the juice and the pleasure.

 

Why me?

I am just a fallen soul.

 

It's hard to imagine that everyone doesn't experience the bliss and the sweetness of the Holy Name.

 

You can even taste it on your tongue.

 

It is nothing short of incredible.

 

Chant Hare Krishna.

 

 

 

That is a beautiful experience. Sometimes I get that feeling reading Srimad Bhagavatam. No matter what your material situation any fear and anxiety just melts away and it feels like there is not a worry in the world.

[Sonic Yogi]

 

Well at least you are not talking to yourself and answering with another id. Just kidding.

 

 

I thought this thread would degrade once it took a certain direction but it has turned out to be a pretty good discussion worth being a fly on the wall and listening to.

 

Begger is not me.

I am not him.

But, we do know each other from many moons ago.

I would even venture to say we are friends, though we do tease each other on this forum.

[AncientMariner]

Oh I know you are not Beggar. Beggar and Shakti-fan are the same person. He used to post something as Beggar and then respond to his own posts under the name Shakti-fan. Hasn't happened in a long time until today but those posts got wiped out. Used to happen back in the cbrahma vs. beggar era of this forum that were preceded by the Guruvani vs. everyone era which was preceded by the Guruvani vs. Kulapavana era or something resembling that order and substance. Somewhere in the mix was the advaitians vs. vaisnavas era I think but I wasn't really paying much attention during that era so I could be wrong about that one.

[bija]

 

Oh I know you are not Beggar. Beggar and Shakti-fan are the same person. He used to post something as Beggar and then respond to his own posts under the name Shakti-fan. Hasn't happened in a long time until today but those posts got wiped out. Used to happen back in the cbrahma vs. beggar era of this forum that were preceded by the Guruvani vs. everyone era which was preceded by the Guruvani vs. Kulapavana era or something resembling that order and substance. Somewhere in the mix was the advaitians vs. vaisnavas era I think but I wasn't really paying much attention during that era so I could be wrong about that one. by ancient

you are alot of fun ancient, and a good observor

 

both of you (sonic) have shared a nice mood...thx

[andy108]

 

When was the last time you showed up at Lord Krsna's temple ready to mop the floor for Him? Try it... it will do you a world of good. I say that out of compassion for you and all other keyboard philosophers ready to badmouth anybody who does not fit their standard of purity and devotion.

 

I would tell you when if it were any of your business. Interesting how you have been throwing out that presumption post after post, that I am not willing to do some dirty work for Krsna. What do you think I am doing now wrestling with your publicly pronounced misconceptions?

 

It is also a fact that Krsna has the option to 23-skedoodle out of a vigraha in a temple where he is being forced to witness blasphemy and other crap. Gaura Nitai on the other hand, if installed by a lover, will hang in there.

 

I have no problem with those who have low standards. I have a problem with those who have only devotion to themselves, mask it with false devotion to God, and assume and support an anti-Bhaktivedanta Swami stance while pretending otherwise.

 

 

And I am not finding fault with Srila Prabhupada but with those of his fanatic followers who make claims the entire world is laughing at. SP's program was neither fool-proof nor perfect

 

Funny sounds like fault finding to me. You also never address the issue that his program was dictated, as he himself claimed, by Visnu-tattva. Of course that would be more overt fault finding, but you may as well go all the way up the food chain.

 

 

and complete - it was an impressive work-in-progress which accomplished a very significant part of Lord Caitanya's mission.

 

was a work in progress? You meant is. Or is that just another fraudian slip revealing what you really think?

 

 

Spiritual life is never static - it must continually grow and evolve. That is why we have guru parampara. The mission SP created must evolve and adapt or it will become dead and irrelevant to people. It will then be replaced with other missions. I can see the signs of that already.

 

Sounds like Herr Fuehrer Barrack Obama and Change is good!

 

The only thing that makes KC become dead and irrelevant to people are losers who don't abide the instructions of their spiritual master, and lead people down the royal road to hell. How can a speculators sadhana spiritually invigorate people? KC isn't for everyone, it isn't a popular movement, most will be fortunate enough just to hear a Harinama party go by. Guys like you want it to be all things to all people. Sorry. If you really want mass appeal, try socialism or communism for the most bang for your buck.

 

 

You may live in your 1960's time warp but others will only find you completely irrelevant. Every day I talk to new people discovering the precious jewels of Srila Prabhupada, Sridhara Maharaja, Narayana Maharaja, and other great Gaudiya Vaishnavas. This is NOW... deal with it.

 

What an overexaggerative crock of manure. You may have people tuning in to some Polish language forum, but here in America, you and I both know you hardly ever talk with anyone discovering any precious G.V. jewels, or else P.V. wouldn't currently be such a stagnant nowhere place, counting on mundane "sustainability conferences" to get people to visit. And as far as Iskcon strongholds in America, it is the best of the lot!!

 

Your now is just about over, your attempts at minimizing His Divine Grace AC Bhaktivedanta Swami will have no more effect at holding back the tide ofhis tidings of Sankirtana Bliss than a small cloud has at obscuring the blazing sun.

 

The only reason you can stand these public drubbings is because most of the people on this forum are secret Guru wannabee sahajiyas also and stand mostly silent seeing what they are in for if they really come to your aid. And you just keep coming back for more. It would be amazing if I didn't know your material conditioning came from Poland.

 

Nice people, but not to Bright.

 

In your case, I have come to a conclusion.

 

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.

You can lead a whore to culture, but you can't make her think.

You can lead a guy to an Acarya, but you can't force the link.

 

Wake up, or not. Your choice.

[bija]

 

...that I am not willing to do some dirty work for Krsna by andy

 

sorry to but in,

 

that need not be said andy. both you and me and every other devotee would relish some cleaning service, just as we enjoy kirtan. same same.

[andy108]

 

sorry to but in,

 

that need not be said andy. both you and me and every other devotee would relish some cleaning service, just as we enjoy kirtan. same same.

 

Wrong Bija, I was responding to the implication in the tone behind his questioning.

 

Did you notice from the first instance, he used the idea of cleaning pots, and then to sweeping, then to moping?

 

He implies a lack of humility on my part to do a simple, sometimes dirty task for Krsna.

 

And there are many who see it that way, unfortunately, which is why he can get away using that type of statement to imply a person's reluctance to be humble and simple.

 

For the record, I very recently spent almost 6 weeks caring for Gaura Nitai deities that Srila Prabhupada installed. Deities which were for all intents and purposes abandoned neglectfully due to the people who were previously caring for them being carried away by nonsense. To the point of leaving them alone for all intents and purposes, without knowing I would show up there. I saw it as the Lord's arrangement to give me service, but it was also, simultaneosly, as I just noted.

 

I did everything for them, almost exclusively from early morning til putting them to rest. Got a little help, and guidance, but it was not easy for me to deal with the mood of the others who felt that they had better things to do and their overall patronizing attitude.

 

I wasn't going to say anything about this, just wanted to give Kula enough rope to hang his nonsense false ego with as he projected his holier than thou "I'll even sweep the floor" routine at me.

 

But I changed my mind. After all spiritual life is about adapting and changing sometimes right?

 

Time for rest. Sweet dreams of Krsna!

[AncientMariner]

 

you are alot of fun ancient, and a good observor

 

both of you (sonic) have shared a nice mood...thx

 

 

 

Thanks, I have always appreciated your posts on these forums. You are one of those Vaisnavas that command respect through your demeanor and your respect for others even if they come from a different viewpoint than yourself.

[AncientMariner]

 

Wrong Bija, I was responding to the implication in the tone behind his questioning.

 

Did you notice from the first instance, he used the idea of cleaning pots, and then to sweeping, then to moping?

 

He implies a lack of humility on my part to do a simple, sometimes dirty task for Krsna.

 

And there are many who see it that way, unfortunately, which is why he can get away using that type of statement to imply a person's reluctance to be humble and simple.

 

For the record, I very recently spent almost 6 weeks caring for Gaura Nitai deities that Srila Prabhupada installed. Deities which were for all intents and purposes abandoned neglectfully due to the people who were previously caring for them being carried away by nonsense. To the point of leaving them alone for all intents and purposes, without knowing I would show up there. I saw it as the Lord's arrangement to give me service, but it was also, simultaneosly, as I just noted.

 

I did everything for them, almost exclusively from early morning til putting them to rest. Got a little help, and guidance, but it was not easy for me to deal with the mood of the others who felt that they had better things to do and their overall patronizing attitude.

 

I wasn't going to say anything about this, just wanted to give Kula enough rope to hang his nonsense false ego with as he projected his holier than thou "I'll even sweep the floor" routine at me.

 

But I changed my mind. After all spiritual life is about adapting and changing sometimes right?

 

Time for rest. Sweet dreams of Krsna!

 

 

 

I can understand what you are saying Kulapavana implying that you lack humility and although I respect Kulapavana's knowledge of Vaisnavism I do find it kind of spiritually arrogant of him to make such an implication about you. How does he know and is an authority on what kind of service any one else offers. I have noticed this kind of seemingly heavy handed self rightous authoritarianism out of some of Kulapavana's posts in the past and I always find it puzzling coming from someone so knowledgable.

 

 

It almost seemed like he was making implications that theist is lazy as well although in fairness he was responding to one of theists questions on that one so I can see offering advice on that one.

[bija]

 

But I changed my mind. After all spiritual life is about adapting and changing sometimes right? posted by andy

 

it sure is andy. change hurts, remember as kids, all the tears and growing pains. Now we know why.

[theist]

 

It almost seemed like he was makingimplications that theist is lazy as well although in fairness he wasresponding to one of theists questions on that one so I can seeoffering advice on that one.

 

He was implying that and without any real knowledge of my life but in this case he was right so I just accepted the truth of it. What the hell eh?

[bhaktatraveler]

Hare Krsna All Prabhus

 

Just got back from a day at the races(so to speak) WOW! where did this thread go! I though it was just for the fun of it, lighthearted, nothing heavy.

 

Blew a rear brake line doing a reverce spin out. That's where you go like hell in reverce, hit the brakes and spin the car around to be heading forward! Damn Taurus, junk yard today, easy part to find and install. It's the line that links the two rear calipers, tucked up into the body.

 

Why is it that all conversations on devotee forums deteriorate into low life squabbling over semantics? Or bickering? THE INTERNET IS INTRINSICALLY IMPERSONAL.

 

High ideals are almost impossible to convey with this computer/Internet medium. No voice inflection, no eye contact, no body language. Just throwing out words that mostly only their author can truly embrace the intricately composed meaning of. I have done also!

 

I'm sure most of us could have a very nice time speaking to one another in person. In person little is misunderstood or if it happens, then easily rectified. Or at least we could punch each other, LOL.

 

I know Begger personally and he is hard to talk with in person, let alone on line where you can not see him smile after a bit of a pinch just for fun. He's kind of a wise cracker, but good hearted. This Andy and Kula might even clear the air in minutes, only if face to face.

 

Please remember the character of the Internet as being impersonal and go from there.

 

 

 

Hare Krsna

 

RCB