Gurukripa speaks out after 30 years silence..

[Sonic Yogi]

[Sonic Yogi]

[Sonic Yogi]

[Sonic Yogi]

[Sonic Yogi]

[bhaktatraveler]

I have to agree with you a bit here. But then he is inconcequential to me. They all were! In fact I never could understand what the hubbub was about, these cheaters were as transparent then as they are now. He was never in my life and I was never a groupie of anyone. A good kirtan was just that, a good kirtan and I was happy to be part of it. Devotees forget to easily that in a kirtan there are also the followers and if they are not concidered part then how did the kirtan get to be so good? EVERYONE participated! Kirtan is a group effort.

 

RCB

[bhaktatraveler]

Wait a minute, how did he become a sinful fault finder? Is it fault finding to say Satvarupa is fallen to sex? Oh, but he did so much service, so all is ok? When did that happen? I suggest a happy medium, for Krsna? Yes! For our selves? NO!

 

Prabhupada used snuf to keep alert during translations sometimes, I have seen as his guard. Did Prabhupada break the rules. NO! It was snuf for Krsna's service, not self pleasure. If Bankok revved Gurukripa's motor in direct service, then have another, maybe two at a time, LOL. But for the self? No, then fallen. Then black.

 

LEC SB 2.9.9 Tokyo 4/25/72

Prabhupāda: Dharmasya hy āpavargyasya nārtho 'rthāyopakalpate. Nārthasya dharmaikāntasya kāmo lābhāya hi smṛtaḥ. Yes. Dharmasya hy āpavargyasya nārtho 'rthāyopakalpate. One should not execute religious principles for getting better financial or material facility. That is not the purpose. But they have taken it purpose. "We have supported this religious community—we must become victorious of our whimsical declaration of war." That Kṛṣṇa supported the Battle of Kurukṣetra, it was not whimsical declaration of war. Before declaring war, Pāṇḍavas, even Kṛṣṇa tried to stop it in so many ways. When Duryodhana clearly said that "Not even that portion of land which can hold the tip of a needle can be given to you without war..." They were, Kṛṣṇa personally requested that "They are kṣatriyas. They cannot take up the work of a brāhmaṇa or a śūdra or a vaiśya. So better you give them five villages only. Let the five brothers rule over them." He replied, "What do You say of five villages? Not that portion of land which can hold the tip of a needle I can give them without war." Therefore the war was declared: "All right. Decide by war." That was not a whimsical war manufactured and maneuvered by the politician. That is dharma-yuddha. When you encroach upon my right, there must be. Tena tyaktena bhuñjīthā mā gṛdhaḥ kasya svid dhanam [Īśo mantra 1]. You cannot encroach upon others' right.

So the animal killer, they are encroaching upon others' right. These cows and goats, they are also living entities, they have got right to live. When there is absolute necessity, that is a different thing. But you cannot encroach upon their right of living simply to satisfy the taste of your tongue. That is the greatest sin. Similarly illicit sex. One has got wife and he is having illicit sex with other woman, that is, that is crime. "You want to satisfy your sex? All right. You have got legitimate wife.No. I want to satisfy my senses." Therefore illicit sex is sinful. You have got many other foodstuff. Why should you satisfy your senses by killing some other right of living? Therefore it is... Why it is sinful anyone can understand. Just like if I have no money, that does not mean to secure money I shall take your money. Then I am thief. You cannot say, "Oh, I have no money. This man has got so much money. Therefore I have taken some money." Will the court excuse you? Even if you have no food, you cannot encroach upon other's right unless you are sanctioned. Therefore according to Vedic system, the meat-eater is given chance by sacrificing an animal before some demigod. Not free slaughterhouse. No. That you cannot do. Undergoing that process, someday he will come to his senses that "Meat-eating and killing of animal is not good." Because there are so many mantras. If you understand mantras, the mantra, when a goat is sacrificed before Goddess Kālī, before the goat being cut by his throat, the priest says that "Because you are sacrificing your life before Goddess Kālī, next life you are going to have human form of body for your, this sacrifice." Otherwise you have to undergo the process. That is gradual evolutionary process. But because you are forced somehow or other in the presence of mother material energy, she will give you the facility to promote immediately to the human form of life. And as human being, you will have every right to kill this man who is killing you. That is meaning of māṁsa. Mām means me, sa means he. "He will also eat me." So I will have to take the form of a goat next life. And he will take the form of a human being and he will get the chance of killing me. He can excuse, but he will get the chance. This is the bandhana. Karma-bandhana.

So after hearing all these mantras, if one takes the risk of eating meat, let him do that. But who is that sane man who will take this risk? This is the meaning of sacrifice. Not that it is a slaughterhouse substitute. No. They will understand that what kind of risk they are going to take by killing the animal under the name of sacrifice. Another thing is that to sacrifice the goat before the demigod Kālī means it is restricted. Because the prescription is that one can sacrifice a goat before Goddess Kālī on the dark moon night, amāvasyā. That is once in a month. So even the śāstra gives him the facility, the facility is restricted. As much as marriage. What is the difference between married sex and without wife? Restricted. You restrict to one woman. You don't spoil many women and get syphilis disease. You see? This is restricted. Restricted to one man, restricted to one woman, restricted once in a month.

So actually whenever there is sanction in the śāstra, that is not encouraging. That is restriction. So one cannot give this evidence, "Oh, your Vedas say this is sanctioned." But that sanction is restriction. Loke vyavāyāmiṣa-madya-sevā nityā hi jantor na hi tatra codanā. The śāstra is not encouraging. Because there is no need of encouraging. It is already known to him. Why the śāstra encourage? This is not encouragement. This is restriction. The same example can be given. Just like when government opens liquor shop it is not encouragement. It is restriction. You cannot have liquor manufactured by yourself anywhere, everywhere; otherwise it will increase more and more. So you have to pay heavy tax and purchase. And there are so many other rules and regulations. So this is restriction. When there is liquor shop licensed by the government, it does not mean it is encouragement. At least that is the philosophy. It is restriction. So all these facilities given sometimes in the śāstras or by the government for drinking or for intoxication or for sex or for gambling, that is restricted. Gambling, kṣatriyas, they can gamble. They must have the sporting spirit. Otherwise when they are defeated they will succumb to death. So they have to... The gambling, I lose one hundred thousand dollars, "Never mind. It is sporting." Otherwise I will succumb to death. I have been... What? That is being done in gambling clubs. But if you do it in a sporting habit, then "Never mind. I gain or lose, it is nothing." That's all. Kṣatriyas are allowed because when they fight they will have to gain or to lose. But if they lose, if they become succumbed, then it will be very difficult for them. They are allowed to hunt. If they cannot kill, then how can they rule over the criminals? The kṣatriya king, "Oh, he is a criminal"? Just like Parīkṣit Mahārāja. Such a Vaiṣṇava king. As soon as he saw somebody is trying to kill a cow, immediately took his sword: "What nonsense you are doing? Immediately I shall kill you." A kṣatriya must be spirited. Immediately cut off. Even in England, that was the practice. They used to practice dummy men cut head. The king must be like there.

 

Sudāmā: Here also. Here also there was a class of men called samurai, and they carried long sword and short sword. And they had certain rules for fighting. They would never fight a man unless he was equally matched. And if he lost, then he must take... If I lose the battle then I must take the short sword and kill myself for shame, for dishonor.

 

Prabhupāda: Not only that, when Kṛṣṇa was fighting with Rukmiṇī's brother, he lost his chariot. So, and Rukmiṇī took the sword. So Kṛṣṇa also throw His bow and arrows. He also took the sword. Not that "I shall possess better weapons to kill you." No. Equal. Equal terms. "If you have no sword, I will give you a sword." Yes. "Take this sword. I take another." That is kṣatriya spirit. Sporting. So for kṣatriya, this animal killing, this, which is abominable, but they require.

 

Devotee: Intoxication too?

 

Prabhupāda: Intoxication also. Just like Balarama, He was drinking madhu. Yes. You have not seen it? He was also enjoying in the company of women. Because He is kṣatriya. The kṣatriyas are allowed polygamy, drinking, intoxication, because they are king. They must have facility. At the same time they are ruling over the country. They take consulting great sages, saintly persons. And if he is not in order, these saintly persons would dethrone him. Pṛthu Mahārāja's father was killed, Veṇa. He was not according to the system. He was killed.

 

Pradyumna: I don't understand how sometimes we..., how the intoxication of some type of wine would go along with the ruling of a country.

 

Prabhupāda: Well, for rulers is a pleasure. They must have some pleasure. Just like ordinary men, they drink with woman, dancing, it is a recreation. So this is material recreation, to be little intoxicated and several nice young girls around. That gives him some encouragement. You see? They have to take so much risk, so much responsibility. For recreation they require it. They should be given little facility.

 

Devotee: Can they still make spiritual advancement?

 

Prabhupāda: Well, spiritual advancement is going on. They are taking advice from great saintly persons, they are observing, they are performing big sacrifices, spending money, treasury. That is their spiritual advancement. You are satisfying Kṛṣṇa in spite of... All these devatās, the demigods, they also enjoy. In higher planetary system, like Indra, he is prostitute hunter number one, Indra. (laughter) But he is a great devotee at the same time.

 

Pradyumna: But he is still in material world.

 

Prabhupāda: Yes. This is material. So those who are going to directly to transfer to the spiritual world, for them all these things are prohibited. But those who want to remain here, at the same time they have got some particular duty, these are also. But Caitanya Mahāprabhu says those who are preparing bhagavad-bhajanonmukhasya niṣkiñcanasya, they must give up all these things. They should be niṣkiñcana.(END)

 

RCB

[andy108]

 

another example of misquoted and misunderstood shastra, as well as poor logic. I would like you to apply this 'gem' to Prabhupada's criticism of anybody or anything and see where it leads

 

finding faults in faultless people is equivalent of committing the sins we acuse them of...

 

you should apologize to Suchandra-ji... that was totally uncalled for...

 

It seems Suchandra has an eye for the truth sometimes. Speaks the truth even when unpalatable. G-Krpa's interview is somewhat similar and in the same vein as Hrydayananda's email missive. Mostly a show. Too little to late, but better than nothing.

 

Suchandra doesn't want people to get hoodwinked again by this character and raises some important questions and makes good points. Especially after all the glorification of Gurukrpa that sprung up on this thread got a little heavy. I mean sure, recognize his good points, but be realistic about the Prabhu, after all he is a known manipulator. Buyer beware.

[bhaktatraveler]

 

Gurukripa is spotless.

What spots?

I don't see any spots.

The spots must be in your eyes.

 

Gurukripa is a great devotee.

No spots that I can see.

 

Flys of a feather fly together.................buzzzzzzzzzzzzz....

 

 

Gurukripa Maharaja......

 

 

 

Are you just playing the bad guy like you said you enjoyed doing? Or is this idol worship real? A little over the top, wouldn't you say? Or as a laugh, I guess not, LOL.

 

RCB

[andy108]

 

Devotee: Can they still make spiritual advancement?

 

Prabhupāda: Well, spiritual advancement is going on. They are taking advice from great saintly persons, they are observing, they are performing big sacrifices, spending money, treasury. That is their spiritual advancement. You are satisfying Kṛṣṇa in spite of... All these devatās, the demigods, they also enjoy. In higher planetary system, like Indra, he is prostitute hunter number one, Indra. (laughter) But he is a great devotee at the same time.

 

Yes Yes RCB Prabhu! exactly.

 

If GuruKrpa was such a stud, he would have done all the things Suchandra alluded to and not hesitated in his protective duties. Then only does he deserve the status of Ksatriya and the pleasures commensurate.

 

While he was in the Orient, he was pleasing Srila Prabhupada so much, that Srila Prabhupada consciously overlooked he and his crew as they spent some nights enjoying prostitutes, much to the chagrin of other jealous/envious disciples.

 

But when the going gets tough? If indeed Gurukrpa was aware of the problems and neglected taking action, while still engaging his senses as sanctioned to Ksyatrias, then he was way out of line.

 

So unless he gives recognition of this fact (repentance) how is he to be trusted in the future with such matters. Better in the plow department, and giving rocking kirtans until he grows a set.

[bhaktatraveler]

 

It seems Suchandra has an eye for the truth sometimes. Speaks the truth even when unpalatable. G-Krpa's interview is somewhat similar and in the same vein as Hrydayananda's email missive. Mostly a show. Too little to late, but better than nothing.

 

Suchandra doesn't want people to get hoodwinked again by this character and raises some important questions and makes good points. Especially after all the glorification of Gurukrpa that sprung up on this thread got a little heavy. I mean sure, recognize his good points, but be realistic about the Prabhu, after all he is a known manipulator. Buyer beware.

 

 

This is good! For Krsna's service Gurukripa's apparent sinful actions are not concidered. But this is not the case in and throughout his life exclusively.

 

And what about his boys that helped? Gurukripa had help! Who were they? let us not forget them and give as much praise. A leader is nothing without followers, he had a good crew too. That Prabhupada focused on Gurukripa does not mean that the crew is do-do. I saw once that Prabhupada said there is no definition of King without no subjects. And yes I agree that that includes me.

 

RCB

[Sonic Yogi]

 

Are you just playing the bad guy like you said you enjoyed doing? Or is this idol worship real? A little over the top, wouldn't you say? Or as a laugh, I guess not, LOL.

 

RCB

 

Well, I figure the judge is a higher authority than me and if he excuses Gurukripa then I would be getting in some deep stool to dredge up all his past sins and broadcast them on the internet.

 

 

Anyway, you know me CB and you know that I am in no position to criticize

Gurukripa.

 

If I write off Gurukripa then I have to write off myself.

 

I am even crazier than you know.

[bhaktatraveler]

 

Well, I figure the judge is a higher authority than me and if he excuses Gurukripa then I would be getting in some deep stool to dredge up all his past sins and broadcast them on the internet.

 

 

Anyway, you know me CB and you know that I am in no position to criticize

Gurukripa.

 

If I write off Gurukripa then I have to write off myself.

 

I am even crazier than you know.

 

 

No! do not write him off, but keep perspective. I was just checking motivation and you gave a great answer, LOL. That he is someones cup of tea is surely not my business. But as a KC leader here and now? Please not again, he had his chance and blew it

 

Aren't we all a little crazier than the public knows, LOL?

 

RCB

[Sonic Yogi]

 

 

Aren't we all a little crazier than the public knows, LOL?

 

RCB

 

I won't tell on you if you don't tell on me.

 

We were neighbors in Badger.

That should say all there is to say.

[Sonic Yogi]

 

Aren't we all a little crazier than the public knows, LOL?

 

RCB

Nah..... Suchandra is a little Angel....

 

 

[bhaktatraveler]

 

I won't tell on you if you don't tell on me.

 

We were neighbors in Badger.

That should say all there is to say.

 

THAT? That was just recreation, lol. No, No ,No, what I'm talking about.....I can't.

 

RCB

[Sonic Yogi]

 

THAT? That was just recreation, lol. No, No ,No, what I'm talking about.....I can't.

 

RCB

 

No..... we don't have any skeletons in our closets...... do we?

 

[bhaktatraveler]

Sorry for the off subject posts.

 

Back to Gurukripa's article.

 

I was repulsed by his claim to fame do to the fact that he has been to the last 25 kartiks in a row and yada, yada, yada, hasn't. Shit, I would love to have such facility, but that I do not, am I less a devotee or unworthy because of poverty and he is automaticaly qualified do to oppulence? No! of couse not, but this is the Gurukripa that I knew in Santa cruz early 80's. A puffed up condescending jerk that I wrote off after repeated attempts at befriending, if just on a social level only. The guy couldn't look me in the eye for more than a few seconds at a time, let alone have a lengthy conversation on a subject deeper than weather or football(sorry don't follow any sports, not even car racing).

 

No these idols will always look for ever newer slows to take aderation and distintion from, vampires.

 

So that mood all in the service of Srila Prabhupada is purified, but for himself, he might have to fast talk Lord Yamaraja like anything if he doesn't watch out. You know what they(Iso 12) say about phony gurus.

 

 

RCB

[bhaktatraveler]

 

No..... we don't have any skeletons in our closets...... do we?

 

 

 

Mummmmmmm!!!

[Sonic Yogi]

[bhaktatraveler]

 

 

It's the dance! There's gold in them thar hills!

 

Chant Hare Krsna, experience all the thrills.

 

All glories to Lord Varahadev

 

RCB

 

Ps. I read in some purport that the earth could move out of orbit do to oil exploitation, found it!....globle/earth/climate changes anyone?

 

 

SB. 2.7.1

 

Lord Brahmā said: When the unlimitedly powerful Lord assumed the form of a boar as a pastime, just to lift the planet earth, which was drowned in the great ocean of the universe called the Garbhodaka, the first demon [Hiraṇyākṣa] appeared, and the Lord pierced him with His tusk.

 

PURPORT

Since the beginning of creation, the demons and the demigods, or the Vaiṣṇavas, are always the two classes of living beings to dominate the planets of the universes. Lord Brahmā is the first demigod, and Hiraṇyākṣa is the first demon in this universe. Only under certain conditions do the planets float as weightless balls in the air, and as soon as these conditions are disturbed, the planets may fall down in the Garbhodaka Ocean, which covers half the universe. The other half is the spherical dome within which the innumerable planetary systems exist. The floating of the planets in the weightless air is due to the inner constitution of the globes, and the modernized drilling of the earth to exploit oil from within is a sort of disturbance by the modern demons and can result in a greatly harmful reaction to the floating condition of the earth. A similar disturbance was created formerly by the demons headed by Hiraṇyākṣa (the great exploiter of the gold rush), and the earth was detached from its weightless condition and fell down into the Garbhodaka Ocean. The Lord, as maintainer of the whole creation of the material world, therefore assumed the gigantic form of a boar with a proportionate snout and picked up the earth from within the water of Garbhodaka. Śrī Jayadeva Gosvāmī, the great Vaiṣṇava poet, sang as follows:

vasati daśana-śikhare dharaṇī tava lagnā

śaśini kalaṅka-kaleva nimagnā

keśava dhṛta-śūkara-rūpa

jaya jagadīśa hare

 

"O Keśava! O Supreme Lord who have assumed the form of a boar! O Lord! The planet earth rested on Your tusks, and it appeared like the moon engraved with spots."

Such is the symptom of an incarnation of the Lord. The incarnation of the Lord is not the concocted idea of fanciful men who create an incarnation out of imagination. The incarnation of the Lord appears under certain extraordinary circumstances like the above-mentioned occasion, and the incarnation performs a task which is not even imaginable by the tiny brain of mankind. The modern creators of the many cheap incarnations may take note of the factual incarnation of God as the gigantic boar with a suitable snout to carry the planet earth.

When the Lord appeared to pick up the earth, the demon of the name Hiraṇyākṣa tried to create a disturbance in the methodical functions of the Lord, and therefore he was killed by being pierced by the Lord's tusk. According to Śrīla Jīva Gosvāmī, the demon Hiraṇyākṣa was killed by the hand of the Lord. Therefore his version is that after being killed by the hand of the Lord, the demon was pierced by the tusk. Śrīla Viśvanātha Cakravartī Ṭhākura confirms this version.

[Sonic Yogi]

Yeah, they say that the Mayan Calendar indicates that in late 2012 the Earth will be lined up with the dead center of the Milky Way galaxy and there will be a shift in the polar axis of the Earth.

 

If you have any desires unfulfilled you have about 3 years to GET 'ER DONE!!

 

Maybe a trip to Thailand?

 

(just kidding)

[bhaktatraveler]

 

Yeah, they say that the Mayan Calendar indicates that in late 2012 the Earth will be lined up with the dead center of the Milky Way galaxy and there will be a shift in the polar axis of the Earth.

 

If you have any desires unfulfilled you have about 3 years to GET 'ER DONE!!

 

Maybe a trip to Thailand?

 

(just kidding)

 

 

I know your kidding, I'm a little frivolous tonight too. I was hopeing for Daivi-Varnasrama-Dharma at least in a small start of a way, some way, any way. But no one can 'DO' it alone. Varna and asrama are one thing, but to come together in a dedicated/coopertive way, that's the 'rino' I'm hunting!! For 36 yrs! I guess it will be next life, oh well, lol. I tried and got some purified, so next time i will hit it in stride.

 

"I'll be back"

 

Hare Krsna, RCB