Brahman – The absolute God of Hindus ? Confused?

[primate]

Imagine an infinitesimal particle, that eternally traverses a finite region of space at infinite velocity. Also imagine that its infinite trajectory in space never exactly repeats itself. If we would shine a stroboscopic light on this system, whereby each subsequent flash of light illuminates the particle during an infinitely short amount of time, then at stroboscopic frequencies above 80 flashes per second (80 Hertz), the system will no longer appear to the human eye as an erratically moving particle in space, but as a continuous series of changing or evolving patterns.

 

At relatively low stroboscopic frequencies, the evolving patterns will be composed of just a fraction of the complete trajectory of the atomic particle. Evolving patterns will appear discontinuous and fragmented. At higher frequencies, more of the original trajectory is illuminated and we will see a more coherent evolving structure. Only at infinite stroboscopic frequency we will see the whole continuous system. Then we will also see that the entire optical illusion at lower frequencies, is produced by a single atomic particle.

 

It can be demonstrated that such simple, complex systems actually exist in mathematical chaos theory. And they can produce quite spectacular, evolving self-similar or fractal patterns in graphical computer simulations.

 

I like to think of reality in terms of this mathematical metaphor. Consciousness and ignorance is the stroboscopic light, and God is the atomic particle that pervades the entire universe. Of course, in reality there is no stroboscopic light and there are no (ignorant) observers outside of the system. All consciousness must somehow exist within the infinite qualities of that One oscillating atomic particle itself..

[ranjeetmore]

"All consciousness 'must' somehow exist within the infinite qualities of that one oscillating atomic particle itself...."

 

This "' it must' exist like this and like that' " is your speculation.You use 'must' unintentionally,but do you realise that you are accepting your own speculation as the Supreme truth ??? How can this ever be accepted by others? Someone else may provide a more fantastic logical explanation than yours.Does that mean the Supreme Truth changes ?

 

And lets consider that your speculation is right.Then this means your speculative faculty(intelligence) is able to grasp the Supreme Truth.This means your intelligence is also supreme.But this is not a fact(no offense).

[sambya]

primate !!

 

i think you are speaking a bit too much for poor ranjeet to understand . i noticed his mental distress in another thread and humbly request you not to pressurize his brain any longer .

 

you could better go with your points to jagadguru kripalu maharaj and see if he understands and replies to the same .

[Guest Melvin1]

 

Imagine an infinitesimal particle, that eternally traverses a finite region of space at infinite velocity. Also imagine that its infinite trajectory in space never exactly repeats itself. If we would shine a stroboscopic light on this system, whereby each subsequent flash of light illuminates the particle during an infinitely short amount of time, then at stroboscopic frequencies above 80 flashes per second (80 Hertz), the system will no longer appear to the human eye as an erratically moving particle in space, but as a continuous series of changing or evolving patterns.

 

At relatively low stroboscopic frequencies, the evolving patterns will be composed of just a fraction of the complete trajectory of the atomic particle. Evolving patterns will appear discontinuous and fragmented. At higher frequencies, more of the original trajectory is illuminated and we will see a more coherent evolving structure. Only at infinite stroboscopic frequency we will see the whole continuous system. Then we will also see that the entire optical illusion at lower frequencies, is produced by a single atomic particle.

 

It can be demonstrated that such simple, complex systems actually exist in mathematical chaos theory. And they can produce quite spectacular, evolving self-similar or fractal patterns in graphical computer simulations.

 

I like to think of reality in terms of this mathematical metaphor. Consciousness and ignorance is the stroboscopic light, and God is the atomic particle that pervades the entire universe. Of course, in reality there is no stroboscopic light and there are no (ignorant) observers outside of the system. All consciousness must somehow exist within the infinite qualities of that One oscillating atomic particle itself..

 

Are we talking here of quantum physics? In quantum physics everything is possible.Try being an observer outside looking in at yourself doing all sorts of foolishness. You don`t know you are doing such unless you become an observer looking at yourself and everyone else. This observer is the paramatma-supersoul that`s present in every living being. Quality wise, we are no different from God from the stand point of being the observer not the observed.

[primate]

 

"All consciousness 'must' somehow exist within the infinite qualities of that one oscillating atomic particle itself...."

 

This "' it must' exist like this and like that' " is your speculation.You use 'must' unintentionally,but do you realise that you are accepting your own speculation as the Supreme truth ??? How can this ever be accepted by others? Someone else may provide a more fantastic logical explanation than yours.Does that mean the Supreme Truth changes ?

 

And lets consider that your speculation is right.Then this means your speculative faculty(intelligence) is able to grasp the Supreme Truth.This means your intelligence is also supreme.But this is not a fact(no offense).

I don’t claim that my previous post proves that reality is anything like chaotic systems in mathematics. You are right, this is pure speculation. However, when we compare such systems with scientific data, they seem to explain as well as unify, general relativity theory and quantum mechanics; including gravity, quantum entanglement and quantum string-theory.

 

Actually, I only suggested how 'human ignorance' can be understood. But the theory also indicates how 'simultaneous oneness and difference' can be conceived of. The assumption that all consciousness somehow exists as a function of the infinite qualities of an original God (e.g., infinitely fast, infinitely small, infinitely creative, infinitely conscious?), is absolutely necessary for the 'oneness' within the overall equation..

[ranjeetmore]

 

I don’t claim that my previous post proves that reality is anything like chaotic systems in mathematics. You are right, this is pure speculation. However, when we compare such systems with scientific data, they seem to explain as well as unify, general relativity theory and quantum mechanics; including gravity, quantum entanglement and quantum string-theory.

 

Actually, I only suggested how 'human ignorance' can be understood. But the theory also indicates how 'simultaneous oneness and difference' can be conceived of. The assumption that all consciousness somehow exists as a function of the infinite qualities of an original God (e.g., infinitely fast, infinitely small, infinitely creative, infinitely conscious?), is absolutely necessary for the 'oneness' within the overall equation..

 

 

Actually sambya is right,I do not understand any of this stuff.

BUT.

 

It is one case(yours) that you view this from the standpoint of brahm.

 

There are scientists who have better knowledge of this than you(do you agree ?).But these scientists can NEVER concieve of the idea of Brahm as described in the vedas.This means that Quantum physics can never be a path leading to the knowledge of Brahm.This is why,there is no use applying quantum physics.

 

You arrived at a certain conclusion(oneness of brahm).But since the experts in this field have not arrived at the same conclusion,quantum physics is irrelevant to spirituality.

[primate]

I don't agree..

[Guest Melvin1]

 

 

There are scientists who have better knowledge of this than you(do you agree ?).But these scientists can NEVER concieve of the idea of Brahm as described in the vedas.This means that Quantum physics can never be a path leading to the knowledge of Brahm.This is why,there is no use applying quantum physics.

 

You arrived at a certain conclusion(oneness of brahm).But since the experts in this field have not arrived at the same conclusion,quantum physics is irrelevant to spirituality.

 

Quantum physics only confirm the validity of the Vedic sastras. You might be surprised there are many physicists who are devotees of His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada. The more they ran the tests, the more they become a believer of Krsna.

[sambya]

 

But these scientists can NEVER concieve of the idea of Brahm as described in the vedas.

 

true , if they solely stick to cultivation of science .

 

but that should also be the case with doctors , engineers , lawyers , chefs , accountants , students housewives etc . if they solely stick to their respective occupation forsaking spiritual yearning .

 

 

 

 

wrong , if they cultivate science along with a firm belief in spirituality and god accompanied by sincere practice of the same. there are many scientists who falls into this category . are you suggesting that they can never go to god , no matter how hard they cry out ?

[primate]

 

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You arrived at a certain conclusion(oneness of brahm).But since the experts in this field have not arrived at the same conclusion,quantum physics is irrelevant to spirituality.

Most quantum physicists and for that matter most physicists, agree that quantum mechanics is not a complete theory of reality, and neither is general relativity theory. Some fundamental principle appears to be missing. Modern science is in search of a so called 'grand unifying theory' that will explain (unify) both quantum mechanics and general relativity. The two most important unsolved problems are gravity and quantum entanglement. A chaotic system theory such as I described, would solve both these problems. And in my view, it would also make sense of two basic religious notions: oneness and (human) ignorance. By the way, I’m not a physicist..

[primate]

The chaotic systems I talk about are characterized by an intrinsic order that manifests itself as self-similar, or fractal structure. For example, many mathematical systems, based on extremely simple iterative formulas, also produce such fractal structures, in which structures similar to the overall structure reoccur within similar structures infinitely, and at all geometrical-scales, although they are never exactly repeated:

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[primate]

The above examples show that a simple mathematical formula can create infinite structure. These are iterative systems, which means that the current state of the system is used to calculate its next state, etc. Methods to visualize the complex order hiding within such simple systems vary, but basically some quality or measure of the iterated system is plotted on a computer screen as a function of its position in its so called state-space, or it is plotted as a function of different initial positions of the iterated system.

 

What I described earlier as a 'chaotic oscillation of a physical point in space', is quite similar. In computer simulations, the hidden fractal structure of a chaotic oscillation can be made visible in a so called phase-projection of the system, which means that the positions of the point are plotted at timed intervals on the computer screen. Different intervals produce different projections, although the underlying system is exactly the same.

 

The only problem is, that we (humans) must somehow be part of the system itself.

 

Now imagine that this oscillating point or atomic particle, is infinitely conscious! Then it would be aware of all its infinitely many different phase-projections and all its infinite self-similar fractal structure. I guess we might be one of the infinite qualities of such a unitary consciousness, or God..

[Guest Melvin1]

Well, I`m not impressed with the Mandelbrot set. What I want to know is why a single white blood cell ( like it had a mind of its own) in the body begins to multiply by itself and gobbles up his brothers, the red blood cells, which produce the disease in man we know as leukemia. Until now, science has not come up with an answer to that question. If you can answer me ( I do ) on this one then you are a genius.

[bhaktajan]

http://www.phmiracleliving.com/p-297-the-ph-miracle-for-diabetespaper-back.aspx

 

Robert O. Young Ph. D., D.Sc.

Within the past decade, Robert O. Young has been widely recognized as one of the top research scientists in the world. Throughout his career, Robert Young's research has been focused at the cellular level, with a specialty in nutrition. Robert Young's research findings have been published in noted journals.

 

He is also a keynote speaker at medical and health gatherings all over the world. He has appeared as a guest on many national radio and television shows. On April 22nd 2002 he appeared on the Early Show with his wife and co-author Shelley Redford Young. Among his accomplishments: Developer of a new theoretical paradigm called the Mycozymian Theory; a biological process called Pleomorphism; and the discoverer of the etiology of diabetes, cancer, and atherosclerosis. Robert Young has devoted his career to searching for and finding the missing pieces necessary to complete the larger picture of health.

 

Shelley Redford Young, L.M.T.

Shelley is a licensed massage therapist with a passionate interest in optimum nutrition. With Dr. Young she speaks to audiences around the world on the basic requirements of a healthful diet, sharing her delicious, alkalizing, vegetarian recipes.

Dr. Robert O. Young is a pioneer of analyzing living blood cells. He has spent years researching diseased and healthy cells under the microscope. He found that unhealthy cells - that is the cells of unhealthy people - appear dark and misshapen, while healthy blood cells are round and vibrant in color, practically glowing in comparison.

Dr. Young set out to find what caused this 'inner light.' He discovered the essence of life is derived almost exclusively through plants, and that every cell in the body needs the light derived from green plants. The greater the amount of green foods consumed in the diet, the greater the health benefits achieved.

Dr. Young also found that these plant foods are cleansing and alkalizing to the body, while processed and refined foods can increase unhealthy levels of acidity and toxins. Through his findings, Dr. Young concluded that over-acidification of the body is the key underlying cause of almost all disease. Because today many of us consume a diet primarily comprised of acid-forming foods, (i.e. sugar, meat, dairy, yeast breads, etc.) rather than green plant foods, they are sick and tired. Dr. Young and his wife, Shelley Redford Young, set out to help others understand the acid-alkaline theory.

 

They are the founders of InnerLight International, the Robert O. Young Research Center, the InnerLight Foundation, and Shelley Young's Academy of Culinary Arts. In addition, Dr. Young is the author of "The pH Miracle: Balance Your Diet, Reclaim Your Health", "Sick and Tired?: Reclaim Your Inner Terrain", and Shelley Young shares her alkalizing recipes in "Back to the House of Health". It is through these resources that one can learn how to overcome health challenges naturally and come into balance. When the pH level in the body is unbalanced, almost any area of the body can be affected; nervous system (depression), cardiovascular system (heart disease), muscles (fatigue), skin (aging), etc. Even obesity is a sign of over-acidity, a normal body response which protects vital organs from damaging acids and their effects. Conversely, in an alkaline environment, the body reaches an ideal weight and corrects negative health challenges naturally.

 

Dr. Young set out to harness the natural light and energy found in green plants and direct this energy to individual human cells. The result is a family of natural, plant and mineral-based supplements, in both capsule and liquid colloidal form. Colloids are tiny particles, absorbed in the mouth and throat. These products not only increase energy, but also help to destroy harmful organisms that decrease one's energy and vitality. The electric charge and frequency of these particles are designed to match that of the body's cells. In this manner, a new level of health may be achieved; health problems, negative symptoms, illness, fatigue, and excess weight evaporate away! According to Dr. Young's program, the nutrients found in supplements, alkalizing foods, and water can bring the body back into balance. These vitamins, minerals, and herbs infuse the body with new energy, adjusting less energized areas to a new level of light. Other products spotlight energy on the performance of specific organs. These "targeted" products offer a most prized possession of health.

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[bhaktajan]

OVERACIDITY AND OVERGROWTH OF YEAST, FUNGUS AND MOULDS

by Dr. Robert O. Young, Ph.D.

Dr. Young has degrees in chemistry, microbiology and nutrition, and has spent many years researching the relationship between mycotic infections (yeast, fungus and mould) and the etiology of human disease. His research and articles on microtoxicosis have gained wide recognition in the U.S.A. and he is currently listed in Who's Who for his breakthrough research. He is the vice-president of Research and Development of InnerLight International, where he has developed colloidal and holistic nutrition formulas now being distributed around the world.

 

ONE SICKNESS, ONE DISEASE: MYCOTIC INFECTION

One of my discoveries is that there is only one sickness, and that is the over-acidification of the blood and tissues caused by an inverted way of eating and living. Our present day civilized food with its abundance of sugar and animal protein, especially meat, fish, eggs and dairy products, causes this over-acidification of the blood. This in turn encourages the proliferation of microorganisms which have a common origin and go through various evolutionary steps, the first one being virus, then bacteria, then fungus and yeast. This is called pleomorphism.

Blood is a living tissue just like your liver and heart. When you take on body fluids or blood of any other person, when you take on a transplant, you are literally taking on the elements of some foreign body.

PLEOMORPHISM

Pleomorphic means "many forms". Pleomorphism is the foundation of microbiology, and it discredits the germ theory which traditional medicine believes in. Microforms such as viruses, bacteria and fungi are all the same organism at various stages of their evolution. The first stage of its evolution which is the primitive stage, is what medical science calls a virus. Viruses are apathological. They are actually composed of a microzyme at the core that is protein encapsulated. As the biological environment becomes overly-acidified, the primitive stage evolves to the intermediate stage, and this is bacterial. This culminates in the final stage which includes the yeasts, fungi and moulds. These forms proliferate and evolve in a compromised biological environment such as acidified blood and tissues. Try a very simple experiment: what happens when you pull the plug on your refrigerator? What appears first? The bacterial forms, then the yeasts, funguses and moulds, and all of a sudden everything just decays, which is what occurs in these final anatomical phases.

CYCLE OF IMBALANCE

I call these phases the cycle of imbalance. In the cycle of imbalance, we have low energy and fatigue, poor digestion, excess weight, unclear thinking, aches and pains, major disorders, and these are all symptoms of this cycle.

ACID-ALKALINE BALANCE

It is very important to have a chemical balance between these acid and alkaline conditions, both in the blood and in the tissues. The acid and alkaline conditions are opposites, and when they are balanced, they cancel each other out. However, it is easy for the body tissues to become too acidic, and this imbalance sets the stage for disease. In scientific terms, the acid/alkaline relationship is known as pH. The pH of the body has a profound effect on the inner environment and the microscopic organisms. The pH of blood and tissues should be approximately 7.3. The pH of saliva and urine should be 6.8 to 7.0. Acceptable medical lab parameters are 5.5 to 6.5 for the urine, but at 5.5 and 6.5 the urine is too acidic.

PURPOSE OF THE KIDNEYS

is to separate the alkalinity from the acidity. The acidity goes out through the urine. The alkalinity is bound by calcium, potassium and magnesium and taken back into the blood to neutralize acidity in the blood and tissues. When you over-acidify, you are stressing the liver, the kidneys and the bladder, and you run out of your alkaline reserves which are needed to chelate or bind these acids. Then you start getting localized problems.

SUGAR, FERMENTATION AND CHRONIC FATIGUE

These microscopic beasties get their energy from blood sugars which our bodies are supposed to be using, and they grow and multiply by eating our bodies' proteins. Their needs can turn into our cravings. One of the favourite foods of these microforms is sugar. They thrive in a declining pH which is acidic, therefore requiring you to eat more pastas, grains, yeast-containing breads, potatoes and especially high fructose fruits and juices, and more sugar in any particular form. Fruit is good, but not in a compromised biological terrain, so when you eat fruit it becomes a food for fungus and fermentation.

TOXIC WASTE PRODUCTS AND CHRONIC FATIGUE

These microforms then poison us with their waste products. The waste products are acetylaldehyde, uric acid, alloxin, alcohols, lactic acid, etc. Chronic fatigue is the fermentation of our glucose in exchange for acids. These acids are known as acetyladehydes which are then broken down into secondary metabolites as alcohol. The result is fatigue - I call it the drunkenness disease. You have just intoxicated yourself due to excess acidification and you have produced alcohol in your system. If you are suffering from lack of energy, all you have to do is change the biological terrain.

REVERSING THE MICROFORMS

These organisms are indestructible - you cannot destroy them. All you can do is change their form, and cause them to retrograde. Bacilli literally evolve backwards out of that cycle when you change the biological terrain. We can control them by retrograding the yeast, fungi and moulds and their bacteria and neutralize their waste products through supplementation and diet. You do that by giving up the very foods that you crave.

PARASITES

These microforms of mould and fungus mixed with the blood cells can be seen through a microscope and these are found in both healthy and non-healthy individuals. Our bodies are moulding, rotting and basically hosting a parasite party. Actually parasites are the side effects of the more serious problem of over-acidification. Why are you so concerned about parasites when you are being fermented or rotted by fungi and yeasts. I find less than 10% of people are infected with flukes or roundworms or flatworms, but I find 100% of the population infected with these higher development fungal forms in live blood analyses. I have yet to find anyone free of this.

FOODS TO AVOID

Very few of us know that pleomorphic bacteria, yeast and fungus and their toxins are characteristically present in stored and fermented food. The following list of foods are high in pleomorphic bacteria, yeast, fungus and mould, and produce mycotoxins which cause specific diseases and should never be eaten. Pig meat including sausage, bacon, salami and ham contain fungus associated with many cancers. Beef, lamb, chicken and turkey contain a variety of different fungi. You need to avoid all mushrooms. There is no such thing as a good mushroom. Mushrooms disperse spores of fungus throughout the blood and tissues. Peanuts and cashews contain over 25 different strains of fungi. Dairy products including milk, cheese, yogurt, cottage cheese, ice-cream, and butter contain fungi. Eggs, barley, corn, stored grains and cereals, and stored potatoes are fully colonized with fungi. Alcohol contains fungus. Tobacco contains yeast. Yeast in any form such as brewer's yeast or breads should not be eaten. Sugar including honey, maple syrup, corn syrup, sucrose promotes the growth of pleomorphic bacteria, yeast, fungus and mould and suppresses the immune system response up to five hours. Vinegar, caffeine in any form, and high fructose fruits acidify the blood and tissues. When you drink orange juice, the sugars in orange juice are released so quickly into the blood stream that they cannot be oxidized. Therefore they are fermented and the acids that are produced literally anaesthetize the immune system. It shuts it down for three to five hours. Apple juice does the same thing. The problem is excess sugar. Grape juice and grapefruit juice are a little different. Apples, oranges, pears and bananas are more likely to be fermented. The banana get liver spots the same way you get liver spots, through excess fermentation and rotting. If you have spots on your hands, face or arms, if you have moles, these are toxins coming to the surface of the skin. These are acids. This is a manifestation of the one sickness. You have to change the inner terrain, and if you do, these spots will either disappear or change in colour. Hydrogenated oils like margarine and shortening and vegetable oils interfere with normal biochemical processes and increase cholesterol, interfere with liver's detoxification system and interfere with essential fatty acid function.

CYCLE OF BALANCE

The cycle of balance is reflected in these signs: energy, vitality, clear and bright eyes, mental clarity, concentration, a lean and trim body. The first step is to reestablish the internal pH which should be slightly alkaline. The diet should be 80% alkaline, 20% acid. It's a 4:1 ratio. If you have a serious disease, your diet should be 100% alkaline, or at least a 5:1 ratio.

FOOD YOU SHOULD EAT: ALKALINIZING FOODSWe need to eat foods which will actually heal the body. We need to go back to the garden and eat live foods like leafy greens, foods which are high in chlorophyll. For breakfast I eat salad, for lunch I eat salad, and for dinner I have salad. What is good for dinner is also good for lunch, and what is good for lunch is good for breakfast. You have to overalkalize the blood and tissues. You can freely eat dark green and yellow vegetables, root vegetables, freshly juiced vegetable juices, foods with high contents of chlorophyll, nuts like almonds or hazelnuts which are more alkaline. Almonds are high in oxygen especially after they have been soaked for 12 hours. Sprouted grains and beans like alfalfa, mung beans, clover and radish, seeds, essential fatty acids from flax oil, borage oil, and virgin olive oil, soy products like tofu, grains from spelt, millet and buckwheat, herbs, spices, seaweed, lots of onions and garlic and distilled water. Fruits like avocados, lemons, limes and grapefruits are low sugar, therefore less likely to be fermented.

FATS AND CALCIUM NEUTRALIZE ACIDITY

Obesity is thought to be a fat problem, but it is not. Obesity is the way your body reacts to indulgence of foods that create excess fermentation and acids. The fat is retained in order to bind the acidity somewhere away from the organs that sustain life. If we didn't have fats in our diet, we would literally be destroyed by the very acids that we are poisoning ourselves with. When you try to reduce your cholesterol by using drugs, you set yourself up for a heart attack, because you have the acids without the fats and the acids will destroy the cells. Fats bind the acids and neutralize them to prevent them from poisoning the cells. The same thing happens with calcium-blocker medications. In the United States, the FDA warns that if you take calcium-blockers, you are at risk for heart attacks. Why? Because if the body does not have sufficient fats to bind the toxins, it will use calcium to bind the toxins, and if you are blocking the calcium with medications, there is nothing to bind the toxins and you end up with a heart attack.

ARTHRITIS, STONES AND TUMOURS

We have stones because calcium neutralizes excess acidity and stones are formed. Arthritis also occurs because calcium is being utilized to neutralize acidity. Sugar is metabolized by microforms, producing the acid, which is then bound by the calcium and we get calcium deposits in our joints. We also get calcium deposits in the brain or in the breast. Calcium deposits always precede the tumour because it is the first line of defense in neutralizing over-acidification. Osteoporosis is a body response which occurs if there is not enough dietary calcium. It pulls calcium from the bones to neutralize the acidity. If we then take more calcium, as supplements, we get more calcium deposits, we get more stones, and we end up with breast cancer or prostate cancer.

CANCER, HORMONES AND ACIDITY

Cancer is not a virus; it is an acid problem produced by a mould. It is an infection due to excess fermentation in the weakest parts of the body. What causes cancer in cigarettes is the yeast and sugar they use to accelerate the fermentation process in the tobacco leaves. Cancer is not a localized problem that is metastasizing. Cancer is a systemic problem that has localized. We know through research that the supplementation of hormones can be a risk factor for breast cancer. When you supplement hormones, those hormones are subject to fermentation in a body that is out of balance, and when hormones are fermented, they produce an acid which has to be eliminated. These acids are then stored in areas of fatty tissue and what more perfect place to put it than the breast. How can emotion or fear cause rotting processes? Biologically, it's simple. Emotions create acidity through the release of hormones that are then fermented which produces the acid. And we then start craving the foods we should basically avoid.

When someone has cancer, excess proteins are found in the urine because cells are being lysed or destroyed, and those proteins are then being thrown freely into the blood stream and then through the elimination, show up in our urine.

ENZYMES

I do not suggest that you should be taking enzymes. I do not use amylase and protease. I developed an enzymatic formula of a noni complex which is unfermented, with no sugar, with green papaya, garlic and tissue salts.

[bhaktajan]

Melvin,

 

Check this custom made posting for you, under the health-wellbeing forum heading:

 

http://www.indiadivine.org/audarya/health-wellbeing/452521-why-white-blood-cell-produce-leukemia.html

 

Please, investigate this topic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Guest Melvin1]

Isn`t it that God Krsna is the cause of all causes? if we think logically this way, then God Krsna must be the cause of cancer(kansr). In the beginning there was the word ( Krsna) which became flesh ( kansr) and dwelt amongst us( To quote the Bible). That`s why it`s so important to chant Hare Krsna Hare Krsna Krsna Krsna Hare Hare for it can prevent and cure cancer(kansr).

 

Note: There maybe pure devotees of Krsna who got cancer(kansr) and the reason is just too personal for me to understand why.

[primate]

 

Isn`t it that God Krsna is the cause of all causes? if we think logically this way, then God Krsna must be the cause of cancer(kansr). In the beginning there was the word ( Krsna) which became flesh ( kansr) and dwelt amongst us( To quote the Bible). That`s why it`s so important to chant Hare Krsna Hare Krsna Krsna Krsna Hare Hare for it can prevent and cure cancer(kansr).

 

Note: There maybe pure devotees of Krsna who got cancer(kansr) and the reason is just too personal for me to understand why.

What exactly is your problem with cancer? You are a physician, are you not? And you are religious. All is one. People die for their own karma as well as for the karma of others. That’s all..

[kaisersose]

 

Well, I`m not impressed with the Mandelbrot set. What I want to know is why a single white blood cell ( like it had a mind of its own) in the body begins to multiply by itself and gobbles up his brothers, the red blood cells, which produce the disease in man we know as leukemia. Until now, science has not come up with an answer to that question. If you can answer me ( I do ) on this one then you are a genius.

 

Interesting that you are looking in a religious forum for an answer!

 

What do you expect beyond the usual superficial (& totally illogical) Karma excuse, with perhaps a scriptural quote or two thrown in for effect?

 

Cheers

[Guest Melvin1]

 

What exactly is your problem with cancer? You are a physician, are you not? And you are religious. All is one. People die for their own karma as well as for the karma of others. That’s all..

 

Just imagine if all the people in the world start chanting Hare Krsna Hare Krsna Krsna Krsna Hare Hare. All the pharmaceutical companies which manufacture those toxic anti-cancer(anti-kansr) drugs go bankrupt.

[Guest Melvin1]

 

Interesting that you are looking in a religious forum for an answer!

 

What do you expect beyond the usual superficial (& totally illogical) Karma excuse, with perhaps a scriptural quote or two thrown in for effect?

 

Cheers

 

I ask you the same question: Why do people who got cancer(kansr) turn to religion when their anti-cancer( anti-kansr) treatments( radiation, surgery, drugs) start to fail?

[kaisersose]

 

I ask you the same question: Why do people who got cancer(kansr) turn to religion when their anti-cancer( anti-kansr) treatments( radiation, surgery, drugs) start to fail?

 

Hope.

 

Because they hope to get cured through magical powers. That is why people with insurmountable problems run to Sai Baba, Krishna, Amma etc., - for they are seeking some kind of divine intervention, magical relief through a touch or a blessing.

 

It is the timeless system of barter. I will do something that pleases the God - in the form of prayer, bhajan, offering coconuts, hair, etc., and in exchange the good Lord is expected to return the favor by giving me what I seek. What I seek can vary from candy, toys, better grades to liberation, a place in heaven, no reincarnation....

 

Cheers

[Guest Melvin1]

 

Hope.

 

Because they hope to get cured through magical powers. That is why people with insurmountable problems run to Sai Baba, Krishna, Amma etc., - for they are seeking some kind of divine intervention, magical relief through a touch or a blessing.

 

It is the timeless system of barter. I will do something that pleases the God - in the form of prayer, bhajan, offering coconuts, hair, etc., and in exchange the good Lord is expected to return the favor by giving me what I seek. What I seek can vary from candy, toys, better grades to liberation, a place in heaven, no reincarnation....

 

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Nope. It`s not hope why cancer(kansr) patients seek spiritual healing from religion. It`s because they want to know the absolute truth why they got cancer(kansr).

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Originally Posted by kaisersose

Hope.

Because they hope to get cured through magical powers. That is why people with insurmountable problems run to Sai Baba, Krishna, Amma etc., - for they are seeking some kind of divine intervention, magical relief through a touch or a blessing.

It is the timeless system of barter. I will do something that pleases the God - in the form of prayer, bhajan, offering coconuts, hair, etc., and in exchange the good Lord is expected to return the favor by giving me what I seek. What I seek can vary from candy, toys, better grades to liberation, a place in heaven, no reincarnation....

Cheers

 

i think kaiserose is right.

 

 

 

might be as they know modern science has not found a proper cure for cancer.

and they realise at that they are is in gods hands and only he can cure them.

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Well, I`m not impressed with the Mandelbrot set. What I want to know is why a single white blood cell ( like it had a mind of its own) in the body begins to multiply by itself and gobbles up his brothers, the red blood cells, which produce the disease in man we know as leukemia. Until now, science has not come up with an answer to that question. If you can answer me ( I do ) on this one then you are a genius.

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