shyamaa sangeet - bengali devotional songs to kali

[sambya]

 

I bow down to kali(Jagadamba),who is repeatedly proclaimed by even the bhaktas to be the universal mother,who slaughtered the demons who offended a bhagavata

and who serves Sri KRsna as her Original form in Vaikuntha(Uma).That Uma is yogamaya,guileless,faultless and Pure.

 

Tulsidasa states,

"So dasi raghuveer ki,

Samujhe mithya sopy"

Jagadamba is Mayadevi.She is Durga(prison house).She is punishing evryone for they have turned their faces from Sri Bhagavan.

Visnumayeti samsthitah.

 

She is Vishnumaya.Kali is just a destructive form of prakriti,just as Lord Shivas,in the material universes,have put ash all over themselves,with snakes in their necks and horrendous companions.

 

But the Lord Sadashiva,Who is the Origin of the innumerable Lord Shivas,is Pure,and a personality of Godhead.He fosters the religion of bhakti by expounding misleading doctrines and is the Supreme Bhakta.Naturally,the Uma by His side,corresponds to His being.

 

better ........

[ramcharan]

JAI MAA KALI

 

 

Spiritual worship involves Narayan, Vishnu or Krishna.

 

 

So what about people worshiping Jesus, Guru Nanak, Allah, Lord Buddha etc...are they not walking on spiritual paths. Are they not getting rid of their sins, except for you and your worshipers of the named three??? Which doesn't even involve 3% of the world's population.

ARE YOU SO PROUD OF YOUR WORSHIP TO THE THREE NAMED GODS, DREAMING THAT YOUR ARE ON THE RITE SPIRITUAL PATH AND THE REST OF THE WORLD ARE MERE ON LOOKERS, TO SEE YOU GETTING RID OF YOUR SINS???

 

YOU NAMED YOURSELF AS YOGI, DO YOU HAVE ANY CHARACTERS OF THE SAME IN YOU? WHO ARE YOU TO DISCRIMINATE BETWEEN THE LORDS? IF YOUR NAMED GODS ARE SO GREAT, THEN WHY DID THEY APPROACHED THE GODDESS TO SAVE THE UNIVERSE FROM DEMONS LIKE YOU?

 

HOW DARE YOUR COMPARE "MOTHER KALI" WITH MICHELL OBAMA?? HAVE YOU LOST YOUR MIND AND DON'T REALIZE WHAT THE HECK YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT...

 

IF MAA KALI DIDN'T SAVE THIS UNIVERSE, YOU WOULD HAVE NOT BEEN SITTING IN FRONT OF YOUR COMPUTER FOULING AND WEIGHING GODS AND GODDESSES. SO KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT AND NEVER WRITE A SINGLE WORD AGAINST ANY GOD, IRRESPECTIVE OF ANY RELIGION.

 

BEHAVE LIKE A LEARNED MAN, DON'T JUST PONDER YOUR VEDIC KNOWLEDGE HERE DISRESPECTING OTHER GODS, GODDESSES AND PEOPLE.

JAI KALI MATA KI JAI HO!!!

[Sonic Yogi]

 

Śrīmad Bhāgavatam 1.2.26

 

mumukṣavo ghora-rūpān

 

hitvā bhūta-patīn atha

 

nārāyaṇa-kalāḥ śāntā

 

bhajanti hy anasūyavaḥ

 

SYNONYMS

 

mumukṣavaḥ — persons desiring liberation; ghora — horrible, ghastly; rūpān — forms like that; hitvā — rejecting; bhūta-patīn — demigods; atha — for this reason; nārāyaṇa — the Personality of Godhead; kalāḥ — plenary portions; śāntāḥ — all-blissful; bhajanti — do worship; hi — certainly; anasūyavaḥ — nonenvious.

 

TRANSLATION

 

Those who are serious about liberation are certainly nonenvious, and they respect all. Yet they reject the horrible and ghastly forms of the demigods and worship only the all-blissful forms of Lord Viṣṇu and His plenary portions.

 

PURPORT

 

The Supreme Personality of Godhead Śrī Kṛṣṇa, who is the original person of the Viṣṇu categories, expands Himself in two different categories, namely integrated plenary portions and separated parts and parcels. The separated parts and parcels are the servitors, and the integrated plenary portions of viṣṇu-tattvas are the worshipful objects of service.

 

All demigods who are empowered by the Supreme Lord are also separated parts and parcels. They do not belong to the categories of viṣṇu-tattva. The viṣṇu-tattvas are living beings equally as powerful as the original form of the Personality of Godhead, and They display different categories of power in consideration of different times and circumstances. The separated parts and parcels are powerful by limitation. They do not have unlimited power like the viṣṇu-tattvas. Therefore, one should never classify the viṣṇu-tattvas, or the plenary portions of Nārāyaṇa, the Personality of Godhead, in the same categories with the parts and parcels. If anyone does so he becomes at once an offender by the name pāṣaṇḍī. In the age of Kali many foolish persons commit such unlawful offenses and equalize the two categories.

 

The separated parts and parcels have different positions in the estimation of material powers, and some of them are like Kāla-bhairava, Śmaśāna-bhairava, Śani, Mahākālī and Caṇḍikā. These demigods are worshiped mostly by those who are in the lowest categories of the mode of darkness or ignorance. Other demigods, like Brahmā, Śiva, Sūrya, Gaṇeśa and many similar deities, are worshiped by men in the mode of passion, urged on by the desire for material enjoyment. But those who are actually situated in the mode of goodness (sattva-guṇa) of material nature worship only viṣṇu-tattvas. Viṣṇu-tattvas are represented by various names and forms, such as Nārāyaṇa, Dāmodara, Vāmana, Govinda and Adhokṣaja.

 

The qualified brāhmaṇas worship the viṣṇu-tattvas represented by the śālagrāma-śilā, and some of the higher castes like the kṣatriyas and vaiśyas also generally worship the viṣṇu-tattvas.

 

Highly qualified brāhmaṇas situated in the mode of goodness have no grudges against the mode of worship of others. They have all respect for other demigods, even though they may look ghastly, like Kāla-bhairava or Mahākālī. They know very well that those horrible features of the Supreme Lord are all different servitors of the Lord under different conditions, yet they reject the worship of both horrible and attractive features of the demigods, and they concentrate only on the forms of Viṣṇu because they are serious about liberation from the material conditions. The demigods, even to the stage of Brahmā, the supreme of all the demigods, cannot offer liberation to anyone. Hiraṇyakaśipu underwent a severe type of penance to become eternal in life, but his worshipful deity, Brahmā, could not satisfy him with such blessings. Therefore Viṣṇu, and none else, is called mukti-pāda, or the Personality of Godhead who can bestow upon us mukti, liberation. The demigods, being like other living entities in the material world, are all liquidated at the time of the annihilation of the material structure. They are themselves unable to get liberation, and what to speak of giving liberation to their devotees. The demigods can award the worshipers some temporary benefit only, and not the ultimate one.

 

It is for this reason only that candidates for liberation deliberately reject the worship of the demigods, although they have no disrespect for any one of them.

[Sonic Yogi]

 

Bhagavad-gītā As It Is 7.20

 

kāmais tais tair hṛta-jñānāḥ

 

prapadyante 'nya-devatāḥ

 

taḿ taḿ niyamam āsthāya

 

prakṛtyā niyatāḥ svayā

 

SYNONYMS

 

kāmaiḥ — by desires; taiḥ taiḥ — various; hṛta — deprived of; jñānāḥ — knowledge; prapadyante — surrender; anya — to other; devatāḥ — demigods; tam tam — corresponding; niyamam — regulations; āsthāya — following; prakṛtyā — by nature; niyatāḥ — controlled; svayā — by their own.

 

TRANSLATION

 

Those whose intelligence has been stolen by material desires surrender unto demigods and follow the particular rules and regulations of worship according to their own natures.

 

PURPORT

 

Those who are freed from all material contaminations surrender unto the Supreme Lord and engage in His devotional service. As long as the material contamination is not completely washed off, they are by nature nondevotees. But even those who have material desires and who resort to the Supreme Lord are not so much attracted by external nature; because of approaching the right goal, they soon become free from all material lust. In the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam it is recommended that whether one is a pure devotee and is free from all material desires, or is full of material desires, or desires liberation from material contamination, he should in all cases surrender to Vāsudeva and worship Him. As stated in the Bhāgavatam (2.3.10):

 

akāmaḥ sarva-kāmo vā

 

mokṣa-kāma udāra-dhīḥ

 

tīvreṇa bhakti-yogena

 

yajeta puruṣaḿ param

 

Less intelligent people who have lost their spiritual sense take shelter of demigods for immediate fulfillment of material desires. Generally, such people do not go to the Supreme Personality of Godhead, because they are in the lower modes of nature (ignorance and passion) and therefore worship various demigods. Following the rules and regulations of worship, they are satisfied. The worshipers of demigods are motivated by small desires and do not know how to reach the supreme goal, but a devotee of the Supreme Lord is not misguided. Because in Vedic literature there are recommendations for worshiping different gods for different purposes (e.g., a diseased man is recommended to worship the sun), those who are not devotees of the Lord think that for certain purposes demigods are better than the Supreme Lord. But a pure devotee knows that the Supreme Lord Kṛṣṇa is the master of all. In the Caitanya-caritāmṛta (Ādi 5.142) it is said, ekale īśvara kṛṣṇa, āra saba bhṛtya: only the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Kṛṣṇa, is master, and all others are servants. Therefore a pure devotee never goes to demigods for satisfaction of his material needs. He depends on the Supreme Lord. And the pure devotee is satisfied with whatever He gives.

[Sonic Yogi]

 

Śrīmad Bhāgavatam 1.2.27

 

rajas-tamaḥ-prakṛtayaḥ

 

sama-śīlā bhajanti vai

 

pitṛ-bhūta-prajeśādīn

 

śriyaiśvarya-prajepsavaḥ

 

SYNONYMS

 

rajaḥ — the mode of passion; tamaḥ — the mode of ignorance; prakṛtayaḥ — of that mentality; sama-śīlāḥ — of the same categories; bhajanti — do worship; vai — actually; pitṛ — the forefathers; bhūta — other living beings; prajeśa-ādīn — controllers of cosmic administration; śriyā — enrichment; aiśvarya — wealth and power; prajā — progeny; īpsavaḥ — so desiring.

 

TRANSLATION

 

Those who are in the modes of passion and ignorance worship the forefathers, other living beings and the demigods who are in charge of cosmic activities, for they are urged by a desire to be materially benefited with women, wealth, power and progeny.

 

PURPORT

 

There is no need to worship demigods of whatsoever category if one is serious about going back to Godhead. In the Bhagavad-gītā (7.20,23) it is clearly said that those who are mad after material enjoyment approach the different demigods for temporary benefits, which are meant for men with a poor fund of knowledge. We should never desire to increase the depth of material enjoyment. Material enjoyment should be accepted only up to the point of the bare necessities of life and not more or less than that. To accept more material enjoyment means to bind oneself more and more to the miseries of material existence. More wealth, more women and false aristocracy are some of the demands of the materially disposed man because he has no information of the benefit derived from Viṣṇu worship. By Viṣṇu worship one can derive benefit in this life as well as in life after death. Forgetting these principles, foolish people who are after more wealth, more wives and more children worship various demigods. The aim of life is to end the miseries of life and not to increase them.

 

For material enjoyment there is no need to approach the demigods. The demigods are but servants of the Lord. As such, they are duty-bound to supply necessities of life in the form of water, light, air, etc. One should work hard and worship the Supreme Lord by the fruits of one's hard labor for existence, and that should be the motto of life. One should be careful to execute occupational service with faith in God in the proper way, and that will lead one gradually on the progressive march back to Godhead.

 

Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa, when He was personally present at Vrajadhāma, stopped the worship of the demigod Indra and advised the residents of Vraja to worship by their business and to have faith in God. Worshiping the multidemigods for material gain is practically a perversity of religion. This sort of religious activity has been condemned in the very beginning of the Bhāgavatam as kaitava-dharma. There is only one religion in the world to be followed by one and all, and that is the Bhāgavata-dharma, or the religion which teaches one to worship the Supreme Personality of Godhead and no one else.

[sambya]

before anything else show me how the word devas translate into demigod . if you have any knowledge of sanskrit that is ........

[ranjeetmore]

Deva means being of light.

 

The word Deva is generally referred to the inhabitants of devaloka,ajanaja devloka,etc.

You,I and everyone have got the bodies of devas for infinite times.

 

"Surpatir brahmam padam yachate."

 

Svarga Samrat Indra also hankers after the post of Brahmadeva.Their bodies are temporal,just like the humans.

[Sonic Yogi]

 

Deva means being of light.

 

The word Deva is generally referred to the inhabitants of devaloka,ajanaja devloka,etc.

You,I and everyone have got the bodies of devas for infinite times.

 

"Surpatir brahmam padam yachate."

 

Svarga Samrat Indra also hankers after the post of Brahmadeva.Their bodies are temporal,just like the humans.

 

 

Sanskrit Lexicon: Search Results

 

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There are many devas in the Hindu scriptures.

But, there is only one Para-tattva or supreme truth.

So, the Para-tattva or supreme being is Deva and all the lesser gods who derive power and authority from Vishnu are devas.

 

Sometimes Vishnu or Krishna is referred to as Devadeva or the God of gods.

 

There can't many multiple Gods.

There can only be ONE supreme God.

 

So, all the subordinate gods under the Paramesvara Krishna are called devas.

[sambya]

 

There are many devas in the Hindu scriptures.

true

 

 

But, there is only one Para-tattva or supreme truth.

true

 

 

So, the Para-tattva or supreme being is Deva and all the lesser gods who derive power and authority from Vishnu are devas.

meanigless

 

whats the reason behing this concept ? where has it been written the difference between 'deva' and 'devas' ?

 

 

 

Sometimes Vishnu or Krishna is referred to as Devadeva or the God of gods.

true ,

just like---

 

shiva= maheswar , devaadideva etc

devi= devamata maheshwari etc

 

 

 

There can't many multiple Gods.

There can only be ONE supreme God.

naturaly !!

 

but how do you classify allah , jesus , guru granth sahib , adinath , mahavira , buddha , avalokiteshwar , buddhistic tara , etc ?????????

 

 

So, all the subordinate gods under the Paramesvara Krishna are called devas.

 

 

 

from whatever you have stated above it does nothing to establish this idea

[Sonic Yogi]

Don't get me wrong.

I have the greatest respect for Goddess Kaalii.

I think she is beautiful, even in all her fearsome features.

 

But, her devotees are mostly all materialistic persons who worship her for material things.

 

But, if they make any mistake in that worship, then they run the risk of invoking her wrath and being her next victim.

 

Kaalii is a form of Goddess Durga who is a form of Goddess Laksmi who is the consort of Lord Narayana.

 

Ultimately, Kaalii is the shakti of Krishna whom we know as Srimati Radharani.

As Krishna in the form of Narayana, Radha is Laksmi.

As Krishna in the form of Lord Siva, Radha is Kaalii.

 

So, the shakti takes different forms as the form of Krishna is expressed as Narayana and Shambhu.

 

I have all respect for Kaalii.

It is her demon devotees that I have a problem with.

 

Kaalii is the shakti of Shambhu who is another form of Krishna.

But, the form of Krishna is most beautiful and sweet.

 

Shambhu is ghastly with ashes from the crematorium on his body.

I prefer the form of God as Krishna rather than his form as Shiva.

 

They are One, but Krishna is the origin of Shiva and Shiva is his servant.

[Durgaputra]

Sonic Yogi,

Your knowledge of Sanskrit is as flawed as your interpretation of Hindu "theology".

 

Where do you draw your inane and ridiculous conclusions about Her devotees from ? How many such people do you know ? Do you really know anything about what they do or do you rely on third and 5th hand reports or rumours for your conclusions ? Have you done a statistical study or relied on good old prejudice and inane "purports" which employ circular logic and rely on the readers absolute ignorance of Sanksrit ?

 

I understand enough Sanskrit to realise that the so called purport is quite different from what Bhagavat Gita and Srimad Bhagavatham themselves say. Your narrow view of "Godhead" is not even acceptable to all vaishnava like Sri Vaishnava or followers of Sri Madhavacharya. So your "purport" is also not universally accepted.

 

Feel free to believe what you believe in- but spare us your intolerance and prejudice.

[sambya]

 

Don't get me wrong.

I have the greatest respect for Goddess Kaalii.

I think she is beautiful, even in all her fearsome features.

 

thats better

 

 

But, her devotees are mostly all materialistic persons who worship her for material things.

 

on second thought you shall find most deities having two class of devotees . the first group consists of pure devotees who wants para-bhakti and nothing else , while the second group misinterprets and misuses the faith . just like some tantrics who devote their entire life to learn occult practices instead of brahmagyan . similarly one group of vaishnavas strive for prema bhakti while the corrupted ones pass off sahajiya sense gratification in name of krishna . obviously in this situation krishna is not to blame , is he ?!!!

 

 

Ultimately, Kaalii is the shakti of Krishna whom we know as Srimati Radharani.

As Krishna in the form of Narayana, Radha is Laksmi.

As Krishna in the form of Lord Siva, Radha is Kaalii.

 

great !!

 

 

I prefer the form of God as Krishna rather than his form as Shiva.

 

really nice . this is what is called as ishta nishta -- dedication to ones own deity with full respect for that of others .

 

ramakrishna had a parable for this......

 

" when a newly married wife comes to stay in a big joint family she attends to the needs of all her family members including father in law , mother in law , husband's brother etc . she does it flawlessly and with equal love . but at the end of the day when she goes back to her room where her own beloved is waiting she hands over to him the choicest paan leaves that she has specially prepared for him.

 

similarly we should respect all but love only our ishta . "

[Narasingh]

 

thats better

 

 

 

on second thought you shall find most deities having two class of devotees . the first group consists of pure devotees who wants para-bhakti and nothing else , while the second group misinterprets and misuses the faith . just like some tantrics who devote their entire life to learn occult practices instead of brahmagyan . similarly one group of vaishnavas strive for prema bhakti while the corrupted ones pass off sahajiya sense gratification in name of krishna . obviously in this situation krishna is not to blame , is he ?!!!

 

 

 

great !!

 

 

 

really nice . this is what is called as ishta nishta -- dedication to ones own deity with full respect for that of others .

 

ramakrishna had a parable for this......

 

" when a newly married wife comes to stay in a big joint family she attends to the needs of all her family members including father in law , mother in law , husband's brother etc . she does it flawlessly and with equal love . but at the end of the day when she goes back to her room where her own beloved is waiting she hands over to him the choicest paan leaves that she has specially prepared for him.

 

similarly we should respect all but love only our ishta . "

[bhaktajan]

Learn Vaishnava Philosophy.

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Absolute Truth = what you hold true in your case must also hold true in everyone else's case.

 

Spend more time in japa, samkirtan . . .

 

ARE YOU SO PROUD OF YOUR WORSHIP?

BEHAVE LIKE A LEARNED MAN = DON'T JUST PONDER YOUR VEDIC KNOWLEDGE HERE DISRESPECTING OTHER GODS, GODDESSES AND PEOPLE.

These demigods are worshiped mostly by those who are in the lowest categories of the mode of darkness or ignorance.

 

Less intelligent people who have lost their spiritual sense take shelter of demigods for immediate fulfillment of material desires.

 

There is no need to worship demigods of whatsoever category if one is serious about going back to Godhead.

 

The Para-tattva or supreme being is Deva and all the lesser gods who derive power and authority from Vishnu are devas. Sambya's Response: meanigless whats the reason behing this concept ? where has it been written the difference between 'deva' and 'devas'? [Deva vs Deva(s)???]

 

 

Do we use these as words of wisdom or merely, in our ego; to set ourselves apart from those who are as divine as we are.

 

 

better ........ ???????

 

Your knowledge of Sanskrit is as flawed as your interpretation of Hindu "theology". Where do you draw your inane and ridiculous conclusions about Her devotees from? understand enough Sanskrit to realise that the so called purport is quite different from what Bhagavat Gita and Srimad Bhagavatham themselves say. Your narrow view of "Godhead" is not even acceptable to all vaishnava like Sri Vaishnava or followers of Sri Madhavacharya. So your "purport" is also not universally accepted.

 

Feel free to believe what you believe in- but spare us your intolerance and prejudice. [but keep to yourself?]

 

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"para-bhakti"

 

I suppose that everyone knows what seek to achieve in my life time of devotion to my Vaishnava priciples/path/Rules/purpose

 

--but I do not know what the Shivites & Shaktas think they seek to achieve in their life time of devotion to the object of devotion --service? Love? Eternity? Befriend big asura? WHAT do you seek from your devotions to Kali [other than befriending crazies that will protect you in the joint {prison house}?]

[Kali_Upasaka]

I joined this forum recently with a desire to participate in a sathsang. But I feel the discussions are far from spiritual.

 

This discussion is about Shyama Sangeeth. But I find that most of the posters are attacking the worship of Kali.

 

What is spiritual in these posts?

 

A man could be very religious without being spiritual. Unfortunately we have a number of religious people who forget that spirituality is different from religious practices.

 

The Abrahamic religions are well known for their intolerance of any other religion. They are monotheistic and always repeat that theirs is the only way.

 

Are we going the same way?

 

In the Udipi temple on Durgashtami day Lord Krishna is dressed up and worshiped as Mahishamardhini. This temple was established by Madhavacharya and the temple rituals were laid down by him.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Udupi_Krishna_Temple

 

Some of the posters may be of the opinion that this is wrong.

 

Some times I wonder whether the Krishna I and most of the Indians worship is different from the Krishna of some of the posters.

 

I do not mean any post of any particular member.

 

I am posting more out of anguish.

 

Thank you.

[ramcharan]

TO the People who ARE THINKING are on spiritual path to attain MOKSHA

In order to to attain MOKSHA, one needs to be COMPLETELY NON-ATTACHED to THIS MATERIALISTIC WORLD. This includes NON-ATTACHMENT to the FAMILY, FAMILY LIFE, FRIENDS, SEX, SEXUAL THOUGHTS, MONEY, JEWELERY, GOLD, COMPUTERS, INTERNET, HUNGER, VEHICLES, PROPERTY, BANK BALANCE, ETC...TO NAME A FEW.

Mere reading of the scriptures will not give you MOKSHA, you have to APPLY it PRACTICALLY in LIFE. COMPLETE SURRENDER TO THE LORD & NON-ATTACHMENT TO THIS MATERIALISTIC WORLD WILL GIVE YOU MOKSHA, NON-THELESS.

HE does not need a mediator to CANVASS for HIM and will not give you any BONUS POINTS for doing so, in turn you are building BAD KARMA on your part.

[Kali_Upasaka]

The forum seems to have become a stage where the members test their Dialectic skills.

[Kali_Upasaka]

You can enjoy Shyama Sangeet in the first translation of these songs in 1923 here

 

Bengali Religious Lyrics - Sakta

 

http://pge.rastko.net/dirs/pge/pge06/100198/e100198-h.html

[ranjeetmore]

 

 

In the Udipi temple on Durgashtami day Lord Krishna is dressed up and worshiped as Mahishamardhini. This temple was established by Madhavacharya and the temple rituals were laid down by him.

 

 

 

 

Thank you.

 

Totally accepted and stamped on by all the acharyas(excluding perhaps Sri Ramanujacharya ?)

You have NO IDEA about the wonderful pastimes displayed by Uma.She partakes in the Rasa leela alongwith Mahesvara.

Sri Krsna is the controller of all the energies.He manifests as Uma-mahesvara and also as Laxmi-Naryana.

Sri RadhaKrsna is the origin.Uma-mahesvara is the sva-amsa.They are personality of Godhead.No doubt.

 

Consider this: There are only two cit personalities: Godhead and Jeeva.

If Godhead assumes a position between Jeeva and Himself,He is nevertheless the same personality.There is no difference in quality.BUT independence matters.Sri Krsna is purna kaam,nishkaam.He is NEVER dependent on any of His expansions(ishvaras).But the ishvaras are all dependent on Him.

 

But when a useless chandala or a demon comes and declares nonsense that some Shakti is the origin of Sri Krsna and that she assigned the region of Goloka to Him,their methods of 'worship' are only to be condemned and not glorified.

 

Same goes with some nonsense about a never heard before incarnation of Lord Shiva scaring off the Supreme Person Nrsimha and also Him being some weird nirguna stuff and 'jiva is shiva'.

You should learn to distinguish between such things.

 

Jnyanesvara in his Jnyaneshvari states that 'worship of Mahadeva generally leads to egoism for He is the ego principle.'

This worship is the same worship done by bhutas and demons.

 

Whereas one bhakta states,"I have always been chanting the mantra,'om namah Shivaya'.I have no idea why the Young sweetheart of the Gopis is following me and making me intoxicating me with His glances."

[Kali_Upasaka]

An excellent web site for listening to and downloading Shayama Sangeet. These are all songs from the CD of Pannalal Bhattacharya.

 

http://www.priyadarshan.org/audio/by/genre/kali_bhajans

 

Jai MAA KALI !!!

[raghu]

 

Kali worship is about trying to get material benediction.

Kali worship is not spiritual worship.

Kali is a deity of the MATERIAL WORLD, not the spiritual world.

 

So, worshiping Kali is NOT spiritual.

Kali does not award spiritual gifts.

Kali worship and it's discussion does not belong in the spiritual topics section of the forum.

 

It belongs in some section of the forum for discussing the attainment of material things.

 

Spiritual worship involves Narayan, Vishnu or Krishna.

Kali worship is a material situation.

It has nothing to do with spirituality or transcendentalism.

 

 

According to ranjeetmore, worship of Uma/Kali or Shiva is just as transcendental and liberating as worship of Krishna. In fact, again according to ranjeetmore (who seems to think he is a gaudiya vaishnava), there is no difference at all between Durga and Krishna.

 

So, Sonic and Ranjeet - discuss.

 

p.s. I really don't understand what Michelle Obama has to do with any of this.

[hindustani]

Discuss in private Better for us and you both.

 

So, Sonic and Ranjeet - discuss.