sant Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 It has already been long pointed out by several historians that Abraham of Jews and Brahma of Hindus are too close by name to miss. Additionally Sarai is too close to Hindu goddess Saraswati, the wife of Brahma, and the connection cannot be missed. As per Hindu legends, Saraswati is the daughter of Brahma because he has created her. And together with her, he fathers the people of this world and creates all living beings. So Brahma’s relationship with Saraswati is an incestual relationship. And the same is the case with Abraham and Sarai of the Abrahamic world. Sarai is the half-sister of Abraham. In that sense, his relation with her is an incest. And as in Hindu legends, Abraham along with Sarai fathers a large number of nations across the world. MAKES LITTLE SENSE. BRAHMA IS OUR PARAM PITA. HIS DAUGHTER IS SARASWATI. YES INCEST IS MENTIONED BUT HERE SARAI IS SISTER OF ABRAHAMM Abraham’s son Issac is none other Iswar aka Siva of the Hindus! the similarity of names and the concept cannot be missed. In Hindu legends, Iswar is the son of Brahma, he is even called Brahmaputra meaning son of Brahma. And in Jewish legends, Issac is the son of Abraham. Rebeccah, the wife of Issac is none other than Ambica, the wife of Siva of the Hindus. Ambika/Rebecca – the names are quite similar. Rebeccah of Jews is portrayed as a pleasing and benign woman. And just like in Jewish legend, the ambika of Hindus is actually a benign and pleasing goddess, it is durga who is of the ferocious form. STILL AGAIN MAKES NO SENSE. READ ABOUT LORD SHIVA.FIRST. DEVI HAS THOUSAND NAMES SO SIMILARITIES CAN BE THERE This entire covenant of Abraham is nothing but an agreement amongst Yadavas that henceforth, they are not going to worship any god other than Krishna/Yahweh. So having made such an agreement, it was necessary to show that they have discarded other gods of Hinduism. Which all gods did they discard? They listed down the entire Hindu pantheon as the descendants of Abraham! They are just symbolically representing the gods rejected as Abraham and his descendants. These gods named under Abraham are henceforth to be considered as humans and not as divine. And then they have woven all of their experiences in India, after Krishna’s time, into these legends, with Abraham and others as central characters. So the experiences of Abraham and his descendants are nothing but symbolic allegories of all the difficulties faced by Yadavas during their time of stay in India. ????????? MAKES NO SENSE . CAN YOU EXPLAIN. THIS. KARTHIKEYA AS ESEAU GANESH AS JACOB To put it succinctly, the entire covenant with God of Abrahamic religions including Judaism, Christianity and Islam is nothing but an agreement amongst Yadavas to worship only Krishna/Yahweh and to reject all other Hindu gods in favor of Krishna. So given that Vaishnavite Jews/Yadavas who had forsaken Vedic religion were considered to have been in central Asia by 1800 BC itself after migrating from India, does it make sense to say that some Aryans invaded or migrated into India in 1500 BC and formed Vedas and epics after that date in India? Indian civilization is extremely ancient; and Indian and world civilizations are 19000 years in the making. HISTORIANS............. HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN SHAIVS AND SHAKTS AND SMARTS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sant Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 It is not about incarnation of Siva. Jews (Yadavas) have rejected the Vedic religion in favor of worship of Krishna, and they have listed the names of the Hindu Gods under their covenant as different allegorical characters. <!-- / message --> YADAVS ARE JEWS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prithvi Posted May 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 YADAVS ARE JEWS? Read http://www.viewzone.com/nephilim.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prithvi Posted May 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 MAKES LITTLE SENSE.BRAHMA IS OUR PARAM PITA. HIS DAUGHTER IS SARASWATI. YES INCEST IS MENTIONED BUT HERE SARAI IS SISTER OF ABRAHAMM STILL AGAIN MAKES NO SENSE. READ ABOUT LORD SHIVA.FIRST. DEVI HAS THOUSAND NAMES SO SIMILARITIES CAN BE THERE ????????? MAKES NO SENSE . CAN YOU EXPLAIN. THIS. KARTHIKEYA AS ESEAU GANESH AS JACOB HISTORIANS............. HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN SHAIVS AND SHAKTS AND SMARTS. You have put too many open ended questions, as if you want me to write an essay here. When a language and religion travels places, some changes are expected - so the incest relation may not be exact. Siva in his form as Rudra is the son of Brahma in Indian scriptures - I do not know what you want me to explain there. Ambika is the most popular name of Parvati in Gujarat where Yadavas used to live, which is why Rebecca has been derived from Ambika. Put the name side by side and see - Brahma - Abraham Iswar - Issac Ambika - rebecca Meru - Moriah Saraswati - Sarai Ghaggar - Hagar Jaiganesh - Jacob Sami - Esau (name sami or swami originally belonged to skanda in Dwapar yuga) Gayatri - Ketura Ishbak - Aswin Daksha - Zoksha Midian - Mithra The essay I have given in this thread is just five pages. I have written nearly 90 pages to show Jewish connection to India. If the essay given here atleast arouses your suspicion, you would be interested in more. But, if it has not even aroused your suspicion, then forget it; Just consider that I am living in a fairyland. Thanks Prithvi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sant Posted May 7, 2009 Report Share Posted May 7, 2009 You Want To Say Shiva Is Same As Isaac. Isaazc Performs The Tandav. He Was Born From Abrahams Eyebrow. Abraham Is Brahma. Does He Also Have His Own Universe. Do U Have Any Faith In Religion. Well Did That Abraham Also Had A Father. Is He Jenewah /krishna As You Say. What About Moses . Now Youll Say He Is Satyavrat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sar Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 Krishna is an Avatar of Vishnu. He came down to destroy evil and establish his devotees like he always did in his previous avatars. He did not come down to preach or teach or brainwash. It is as simple as that. In fact Hindusm exists for all the Yugas throughout time where Lord Vishnu has taken avatars. It is in Kaeli Yuga Religions were created. Who knows, how many "Gods" or "Prophets" or "Religions" will rise in the following years to come? And all that we cannot compare with Krishna and Rama or Parasurama. "The first truth stated here got Giordano Bruno burned at the stake in AD 1600 for daringto propose that it was real. THE SECOND TRUTH HAS GOTTEN FAR MORE PEOPLE KILLED TRYING TO STATE IT PUBLICLY THAN WILL EVER BE KNOWN. (Note: emphasis here and throughout this section is ours. - Branton) "But the truth must be told. The fact that the Earth revolves around the sun was successfully suppressed by the [Roman] church for over 200 years. It eventually caused a major upheaval in the church, government, and thought. A realignment of social and traditional values. That was in the 1600's. "The officer also relates the fact that the EBE's claim to have created Christ. The EBE's have a type of recording device that has recorded all of Earth's history and can display it in the form of a hologram. This hologram can be filmed but because of the way holograms work does not come out very clear on movie film or video tape. The crucifixion of Christ on the Mount of Olives (this actually took place on the hill Calvary, not the Mt. of Olives - Branton) has allegedly been put on film to show the public. The EBE's 'claim' to have created Christ, which, IN VIEW OF THE 'GRAND DECEPTION', COULD BE AN EFFORT TO DISRUPT TRADITIONAL VALUES FOR UNDETERMINED REASONS. From : The Dulce Book by Branton http://www.world-mysteries.com/doug_ufo2.htm I know imposters may reply, but i care not. This post can be deleted. But i care not. I have to do my duty, to tell Hindus what i have discovered. I am also writting a book based on my research and experiences. I am now sailing and came ashore in the port of Aden. I did not even read the posts of imposters in my other thread. Imposters dont have any feelings. They are task oriented and well trained to brainwash communities which the Christian missionaries are upto. This is well known by all Hindus. Imposters may rise, and fall they support each other, to make others believe they are correct. All to make Hindus to fear and be afraid to talk about their experiences. All of them are trying to control the minds of Hindus to make them forsake Hinduism. But it will not simply happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Umapati_Dasa Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 Ugh... just because they have a slight similarity in names doesn't mean they are the same entity. Why can't Hinduism just be Hinduism? Why does it also now have to be Christianity, Islam, and Judaism? Isn't it good enough by itself? I don't see any Christians, Muslims, or Jews trying to claim that "YHWH is the god of the Hindus", "Jesus is the god of the Hindus", "Allah is the god of the Hindus", or any other outlandish claims. It has already been long pointed out by several historians that Abraham of Jews and Brahma of Hindus are too close by name to miss. Additionally Sarai is too close to Hindu goddess Saraswati, the wife of Brahma, and the connection cannot be missed. As per Hindu legends, Saraswati is the daughter of Brahma because he has created her. And together with her, he fathers the people of this world and creates all living beings. So Brahma’s relationship with Saraswati is an incestual relationship. And the same is the case with Abraham and Sarai of the Abrahamic world. Sarai is the half-sister of Abraham. In that sense, his relation with her is an incest. And as in Hindu legends, Abraham along with Sarai fathers a large number of nations across the world. This relation between Brahma and Abraham, Sarai and Saraswati has already been recognized by several historians. And Mount Moriah itself is pointed out to be Mount meru of the Hindus. We cannot miss the similarities. Despite such close connections being shown, the similarity of two or three names does not seem to break much ice; one problem with these similarities is the causative factor. It can be argued both ways – that Jews have copied from Hindus or that Hindus have copied from Jews. And as long as the argument stays at this deadlock, it does not progress much in capturing public as well as scholarly imagination. So let me show that there is more resemblance than just two names here. Abraham’s son Issac is none other Iswar aka Siva of the Hindus! the similarity of names and the concept cannot be missed. In Hindu legends, Iswar is the son of Brahma, he is even called Brahmaputra meaning son of Brahma. And in Jewish legends, Issac is the son of Abraham. Rebeccah, the wife of Issac is none other than Ambica, the wife of Siva of the Hindus. Ambika/Rebecca – the names are quite similar. Rebeccah of Jews is portrayed as a pleasing and benign woman. And just like in Jewish legend, the ambika of Hindus is actually a benign and pleasing goddess, it is durga who is of the ferocious form. The most revealing connection is that of Hagar, the handmaiden of Sarai. This is nothing but the tributary of river Saraswati, the river by name Ghaggar in India!. Ghaggar/Hagar - the resemblance is overwhelming. And the relations they have with Sarai/Saraswati are quite revealing in themselves. Ghaggar is a tributary to river Saraswati and this relation of being tributary is being described as that of handmaiden. Saraswati is the mighty river and Ghaggar is small tributary to it. Similarly Sarai is the real mistress holding all the powers while Hagar is just handmaiden under her. And what does the son Ishmael of Hagar signify? Ishmael is just a morphed form of Ishalay (Isha + Alay) meaning temple of Ishwar or Siva. Why would a temple of Siva be made the son of Hagar the tributary of Saraswati? This entire covenant of Abraham is nothing but an agreement amongst Yadavas that henceforth, they are not going to worship any god other than Krishna/Yahweh. So having made such an agreement, it was necessary to show that they have discarded other gods of Hinduism. Which all gods did they discard? They listed down the entire Hindu pantheon as the descendants of Abraham! They are just symbolically representing the gods rejected as Abraham and his descendants. These gods named under Abraham are henceforth to be considered as humans and not as divine. And then they have woven all of their experiences in India, after Krishna’s time, into these legends, with Abraham and others as central characters. So the experiences of Abraham and his descendants are nothing but symbolic allegories of all the difficulties faced by Yadavas during their time of stay in India. So the gods who are rejected by Yadavas are listed under the covenant as different characters. Who all have they rejected? They have rejected Brahma (Abraham). They have rejected Saraswati (Sarai), they are no longer going to consider her as a goddess, if anything, she would be shown as a human woman who would be dependent on the grace of Yahweh/Krishna as much as the Yadavas are. They have rejected Siva (Issac). They are no longer going to worship him. They have rejected Amibka, Siva’s wife (Rebecca), she would henceforth be considered as human. Siva is an important god of the Hindu pantheon, his worship was strong in the Gujarat region. So it is likely that some Yadavas were reluctant to completely give up the worship of Siva. It might not be that they wanted to worship Siva alone but they probably wanted to continue worshipping the Hindu religious trinity of Brahma/Vishnu/Siva and the Vedic Gods they probably did not want to completely discard the worship of everyone, especially Siva. Such Yadavas have been left in India on the banks of Hagar river. Yadavas were traveling from Gujarat region along the banks of Saraswati river towards Kashmir in search of water. As the famine drew stronger, it was necessary to find water and people just about migrated to any place where they thought that they could find water. Right from the next day of Krishna’s death, they are likely to have had an agreement that they are no longer going to worship anyone other than Krishna. On their way to Kashmir, it looks like they had a disagreement in this regard. Obviously the strongest of faiths can wither at the onslaughts of such dramatic famines of hundreds of years. And some Yadavas are likely to have lost faith in this new religion of theirs. They wanted to go back to the old Vedic religion where they worshipped all Vedic gods including Siva and mother goddesses. A disagreement arose and such Yadavas who wanted to go back to the pre-Krishna religion were discarded. This separation probably took place on the banks of river Ghaggar probably near some Siva temple. So they have recorded it in their scriptures in the form of Hagar and Ishmael. Jews did not take these people along with them to Kashmir and later to Israel. And then after they broke away from this faction, the Yadavas then had a serious discussion amongst themselves about their religion. Once again they took oaths amongst themselves that henceforth they are not going to worship anyone else other than Krishna. In order to prove that they abide by this agreement, it is likely that various measures were taken by the Yadavas. For example any idols of Siva or other gods had to be thrown away, such other idols should not be kept with anyone. From then on, no one would even utter the name of Siva and other gods. This has been symbolically represented in their scriptures when Isaac is taken to mount Moriah and is offered as sacrifice to Yahweh. Mount Moriah is nothing but Mount meru of Vishnu/Krishna. Vishnu/Krishna is believed by vaishnavites to reside there. Abraham takes Isaac there and offers him as sacrifice before he is stopped in the last minute. This is symbolic representation of the fact that, in favor of Vishnu/Krishna, they would henceforth give up Issac/Iswar/Siva worship completely; his worship is given up as a sacrifice unto/in favor of Krishna. The sacrifice of Isaac on mount meru is an allegory that is representative of an agreement between the Yadavas, whereby any small remnant of Siva worship is thenceforth given up by them completely and they would henceforth have nothing more to do with his worship. They have rejected Brahma, Saraswati, Siva and Ambika/Parvati. Who else did they reject? Obviously Siva’s sons Ganesha and Skanda have to be rejected. And they have been rejected. Issac’s sons Jacob and Esau are none other than Siva’s sons Ganesh and Skanda! Ganesh is many a times called Jaiganesh in the north. In fact people are named as Jaiganesh and this particular habit of prefixing jai is a peculiar habit of this deity alone. For other deity names, they also append Sri along with Jai, for example JaiSriram. More over no one is named as Jaisriram. However I have seen people being named as Jaiganesh. Jai means ‘Hail’. They have done a lot of cutting the names right in the middle. For example, we can see that the long name of Saraswati is cut right in the middle and only Sarai portion of it is retained. Similarly in Ishwar, only Ish has been retained and a consonant has been suffixed to get Isaac. Similarly in Jaiganesh, only Jaiga has been retained and a consonant has been added to it as suffix to make it Jagob or Jacob. Similarly Siva’s other son is named as Swamy. Not many are aware of it that Siva’s second son is named as Swamy. I once read an article of a tamil scholar who claimed that the word Swamy originally belonged to Skanda. Later on it started being applied to all other gods. So for example tirupati Balaji is called Venkateswara swami. After pointing out all of this, the scholar claimed that, this is indicative of the fact that Venkateswara Swamy and Skanda are one and the same and likewise all forms of worship are different manifestations of the same god, he argued. Esau is none other than Swami (again cut in half like other names), Siva’s second son. In south India, Ganesha is considered elder to swami. However in north India he is considered to be younger, Swami is considered as elder. The resemblance between the characters is quite striking. In Hindu legends, Swami is a warrior god, he is fit and agile and served as the commander general of the armies of gods. This fits in with the description of Easu who is said to be an agile and able hunter. Obviously Jewish forefathers could not write that Esau is the chief of armies of gods because they want to consider Easu as human in their legends. The legend needed to be suitably modified to fit in the new realm. Similarly in Hindu legends Ganesha is a rotund personality who is no where near as agile or as able as his brother. However he is said to be high in intellect. This is quite similar to the description of Jacob. Jacob is not so able but is considered to be an intellect. There are several legends that show that Ganesha and Swami/Skanda fought with each other for various things. Ganesha’s original name as Vignesa (lord of obstacles) and not Ganesha (lord of ganas). How did he get this name, the legend runs as follows: Once Siva and Parvati decided to make one of their sons as the chief or lord of the ganas (warriors or attendants who accompany Siva and live along with him on kailas) of Kailas. Considered to be an extremely important post, both the brothers fight for the post. In order to break the deadlock, it is declared that whoever goes around the world and comes back first would be made the lord of the ganas. Skanda immediately starts on his peacock and goes around the world at a fast pace and comes back in seven days. To his surprise however, his brother Ganesha is happily seated munching sweets on mount kailas, and is declared as the winner of the contest and is given the title of Ganapati/ganesha or the lord of the ganas. How did he get the title? Simple. As per scriptures, circulambulating around one’s parents seven times is considered equal to circulambulating the world. So after Skanda went away, Ganesha promptly bowed down to his parents and then ambulated around them seven times. That was it, he won the contest! Skanda feels cheated by this development and he in fact goes away from Kailas to far away place in the south. This legend has other variations. For example, in another variation, they were fighting for the two grand daughters of Brahma. Whoever wins the contest gets both their hands in marriage. In another variation, something else. But all these legends carry the same framework. There is something to be gained for which Skanda leaves home and goes out. In his absence the less able Ganesha wins the booty through guile/wisdom. And needless to say that this is the same framework that was adopted for the fight of Jacob and Esau in the Jewish bible. Abrahamic legacy is the booty to win to attain which, the more able Esau goes out. In his absence, Jacob wins the booty through guile/wisdom. On his comeback, Esau feels extremely cheated. In both cases it is about the title and legacy. Ganesha in Hindu legends becomes the lord of ganas whereas Jacob in Jewish legends gets the title of Israel and is bestowed with abrahamic legacy. The legends of the Jewish bible have been appropriately modified to fit them with human beings. The legends of Hindus are obviously pertaining to godly figures. So they need to be suitably modified so as to fit them and show them as legends about mortals. Some modifications are done here and there to fit the legend of godly figures into the legends of mortals. For example, to justify the attainment of title by Jacob, they have shown Esau as a bad figure, otherwise it would be difficult to justify the guile with which Jacob had acted. They have rejected Brahma, Saraswati,Siva, Ambika, Ganesh, Skanda. Who else? Well the Vedic gods. Even they need to be rejected and discarded. Obviously they would have taken a decision to discard all Vedic gods as well? And the answer to that is yes. They have rejected the Vedic gods as well! At the ripe old age of 137 years, Abraham is said to have married another woman, termed as concubine, named Ketura. And he is said to have fathered six sons through her. And the names of these six sons along with their meanings are as follows : Zimran – Celebrated, Vine Dresser Zokshan – Hardnes, knocking Medan – contention, conflict Midian – Strife, Judgement Ishbak – Leaving Shuah – Ditch, Humiliation Let us start with Ketura. Ketura is none other than Hindu goddess Gayatri, considered to be the mother of Vedas. And she is considered to be the second wife of Brahma! And the most important Gayatri mantra of the Hindus belongs to her, it is in her name. In terms of importance as a wife of Brahma, she is only second to Saraswati. And this nicely tallies with Ketura, Abraham’s second wife. And Gayatri being considered as the mother of Vedas, the Vedic gods have been represented as her sons in the Jewish legends. The six sons of Abraham through Ketura are none other than the Vedic gods of India. Showing the connection between the six sons and the Vedic gods requires some Linguistic analysis; it would not be possible to show the analysis here. Just to capture the results of the analysis, Zimran is Devendra, Zokshan is Daksha, Medan is Marut, Midian is Mithra, Ishbak is Aswins and Shuah is Rudra. One important thing to notice is that they have not listed Pancha Bhutas or the five elements and Sun and Moon in this list of six sons; probably because they considered these to be the manifestations of Krishna on earth. All six sons of Ketura are Vedic gods! Since she is the mother of Vedas, they have been listed as her sons. It is said that Abraham sent them to the east, far away from his son Issac. This symbolically represents the fact that they had left the worship of these Vedic gods in the east, in India. The Jews no longer wanted to have anything to do with these Vedic gods. To put it succinctly, the entire covenant with God of Abrahamic religions including Judaism, Christianity and Islam is nothing but an agreement amongst Yadavas to worship only Krishna/Yahweh and to reject all other Hindu gods in favor of Krishna. So given that Vaishnavite Jews/Yadavas who had forsaken Vedic religion were considered to have been in central Asia by 1800 BC itself after migrating from India, does it make sense to say that some Aryans invaded or migrated into India in 1500 BC and formed Vedas and epics after that date in India? Indian civilization is extremely ancient; and Indian and world civilizations are 19000 years in the making. Source: Prithviraj's forthcoming book on history - 19000 YEARS OF WORLD HISTORY: The Story of Religion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 Similarities in names does not mean that they are the same. Names are just that - NAMES, not Facts. Instead of being fooled by names, why don't you (all) compare Hindusm with Abrahamic religions. While there are some similiraties does exists between Hinduism and Judaism, the difference will continue to grow bigger when you compare Hinduism with Christianity and Islam. This is because Christianity is based on Roman beliefs (and it is still does) where Zeus - pagan god of Romans are taken as chief god and in Islam, Muhammad just take and put together his own religion by borrowing from others around him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neel Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 This is getting more and more embarassing.Prithi saab, pls spare us the torture. Look up those prophets and Martyrs before you try to "embarrass" people for no reason. They may not be "crucified" but most of them follow the life cycle similar to each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neel Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 Similarities in names does not mean that they are the same. Names are just that - NAMES, not Facts. Instead of being fooled by names, why don't you (all) compare Hindusm with Abrahamic religions. While there are some similiraties does exists between Hinduism and Judaism, the difference will continue to grow bigger when you compare Hinduism with Christianity and Islam. This is because Christianity is based on Roman beliefs (and it is still does) where Zeus - pagan god of Romans are taken as chief god and in Islam, Muhammad just take and put together his own religion by borrowing from others around him. Watching your few posts here your motive is clear. The fact is, the difference will continue to grow as long as people like you try to keep them apart. Your avatar looks interesting, you mind where you took it from? I'm not sure what's up with your signature you're just a puppet. Once again, as long as people are divided up with differences they almost become unconscious. No body's a puppet, they're "sleepwalking" is more like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 Watching your few posts here your motive is clear.The fact is, the difference will continue to grow as long as people like you try to keep them apart. Your avatar looks interesting, you mind where you took it from? I'm not sure what's up with your signature you're just a puppet. Once again, as long as people are divided up with differences they almost become unconscious. No body's a puppet, they're "sleepwalking" is more like it. I'm sorry ... I fail to think on how I should be answering you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sar Posted July 6, 2009 Report Share Posted July 6, 2009 Hinduism is millions of years old. If you look at the origins of the major religions, the stories are remarkably similar to those we hear today from people claiming to have met, or been abducted by,extraterrestrials. Mohammed, the founder of Islam in the seventh century, said that he had been visited by the Angel Gabriel, who was "in the likeness of a man, standing in the sky above the horizon".2 This figure told him he had to be a prophet, and he was given messages which formed the Islamic holy book, the Koran. These messages would be dictated while Mohammed was in a trance on many other occasions in the years that followed. He also wrote of going on a 'celestial journey'. Many people in the modern world who claim to have experienced extraterrestrial contact have said the same as Mohammed. Saul of Tarsus, better known as St Paul, was the man who changed the image of Y'shua (Jesus)3 into the saviour-godmessiah from which the Christian religion was spawned. This happened after he had a 'vision' of Y'shua on the road to Damascus. He also talked about being 'taken up' into heaven, or a number of different heavens (dimensions). Speaking of himself, he wrote: "I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether he was in the body or out of the body, I do not know - God knows. And I know that this man - was caught up in Paradise. He heard inexpressible things, things that man is not permitted to tell." 2 Corinthians 12: 2-4 And the Truth Shall set you Free by David Icke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kartnite Posted July 12, 2010 Report Share Posted July 12, 2010 Interesting observations there, Prithvi... Will add something more "fruitful" to this discussion in due course of time. Need to think after reading all this!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayaMahaDevi Posted July 14, 2010 Report Share Posted July 14, 2010 They may not be the same God, but they are ALL certainly from male-dominated oppressive power structures that emply monotheism as an agent of social control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luzifer Posted July 19, 2010 Report Share Posted July 19, 2010 Actually, no Muslims will ever believe or accept Sri Krishna to be related in anyway to their Islam or their god. Matter a fact, if anyone states so, you can be sure that it is a ploy to turn Hindus into Muslims or at least make Hindus forget who their enemies are. Do not be fooled. Hindus (or Jews for that matter) have NOTHING in common with Muslims. Sephiroth you are an idiot a shame in the name of hindus real hindu people dont discriminate on the basis of religion, not all muslims are bad and not all christians are bad and not all hindus are good okie bad and evil people are everywhere. You are just another hitler type crap nothing more people like you are the ones who cause riots/deaths and wars and you are not a true hindu you idiot. read vedas and puranas you idiot. And if you believe in the next avatara u should know that kalki's purpose is to destroy all religions you moron!!!! and hindu is not a religion its a way of life, which has been corrupted and modified like every other religion over time, and my personal advice to you stop hating or you'll be the first one to take the blow. and i can bet on it that you are some flesh eating hindu and even if you are not then also you dont even follow the simplest hindu guidline of being tolerant to all other beliefs and hate only evil individuals . simple speaking you are a moron, and im pure aryan blood and people like me would die to protect any needy/defensless individual irrespective of caste/religion/creed and again you are just filth waiting to be removed from the face of the planet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eeshwar Posted July 25, 2010 Report Share Posted July 25, 2010 :confused::confused::eek3::eek3: Why you people are comparing characters or gods of different religions? What the hell is going on here?? Every one should feel to be born in mankind.Thats all dont make a big mistake of comparing gods /characters of religions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vedarka Posted August 10, 2010 Report Share Posted August 10, 2010 1.The very word Abraham itself clearly tells that it is against Brahma/Brahic/Brahminism whic is otherwise called the Vediv/Hindu religion. 2.Even if they want to worship only Krishna exclusively there is na need to discard the Vedic religion the religion which was actually practised and preached by the Krishna Himself.Even the SriVaishnavaites do not worship any other diety ecxept Krishna...they dont worship Brahma/rudra/Shiva/Shakti/Kumara/Ganesha but they follow puerest form of Vedic religion . 3.Further Krishna himself fought against such people eg KaalYavan,etc.Very often they are regarded as 'mletchas',"yavanas". Finally What do want ...Hindus to follow those Abrahmic religions -the religions which are/were against the prectice/preachings/teachings of Krishna himself ( the Vedic/Hindu religion ) or them to follow Hinduism,huh ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbdas Posted August 17, 2010 Report Share Posted August 17, 2010 Not very important to me. The teachings of the three desert religions are not comparable to Sanatan Dharma, which is NOT a religion. Also, all three of these sects believe you are damned if not one of them. If someone wants to be a Muslim or Jew or Christian, fine. But there is little in common with Vedas there, and the conception of Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, as demonstrated by Srila Bhaktivinode Thakur and others, is unique. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harekrsnaharsha Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 Dear all, Y aruge when Sanathana Dharma started 5000 BC, When krsna showed to all his devotees his vishwaroopa then Y argue and say we are first and our gods are genuine. Most of people have discovered Ganesha and many idols in iran and other arabic countries as such Dhratharasthra wife Gandhari was from khandhar in afganistan so well you all can imagine to the extent our history has spread and also believed that India is the most powerfull country in the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guest Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 These are very interesting thoughts. I have lived my life as a Christian preacher; a follower of the Holy Spirit and prayer. There is no doubt that the roots of the Abrahamic faiths come from the Indus valley. In the Old Testament we find that Abraham moved to Palestine from Mesopotamia, and that while he was there he knew God, Most High. He did not leave to find God, but he heard God speak to him and that he should travel into a distant land that would be revealed to Him. However the patriarch never settled but lived his life as a traveler. This is because the land that God would show him was not the land of Palestine, but the pure land of Eternal Heaven. At any length, so often what is common among all those who are followers of the Eternal One is covered with hatred and division. Jesus Christ taught us to see truth in all and God in all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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