Love, Walking Together As Friends, Sin, Separation, Forgiveness, Restoration?

[Brendan]

What is the beginning of Hindu love and walking with the divine as friends? What about sin and being separated from friendship?

 

And what about turning back from sin, why would one, how so? What crosses to disunion? Where does the will and strength come from?

 

Can you be forgiven and have a clear conscience again, like a small child, and the hope of all good things restored? What happens and how?

 

Shalom.

[kshama]

 

What is the beginning of Hindu love and walking with the divine as friends? What about sin and being separated from friendship?

 

And what about turning back from sin, why would one, how so? What crosses to disunion? Where does the will and strength come from?

 

Can you be forgiven and have a clear conscience again, like a small child, and the hope of all good things restored? What happens and how?

 

Shalom.

 

Dear Brendan,

 

Welcome to the forum. Nice questions by you, I must say. The thing is your questions are so obscure and not connected well, so I am getting a bit disoriented. Pardon me for my bluntness, perhaps if you make your questions clearer and in simple tone, more people can relate and perhaps write a reply or two. Thank you.

[Haridasdasdas]

 

What is the beginning of Hindu love and walking with the divine as friends? What about sin and being separated from friendship?

 

And what about turning back from sin, why would one, how so? What crosses to disunion? Where does the will and strength come from?

 

Can you be forgiven and have a clear conscience again, like a small child, and the hope of all good things restored? What happens and how?

 

Shalom.

 

Wow, I'm going to leave a better person to answer your questions, but you have an absolutely fantastic way of looking at spirituality.

 

Seriously, whatever you do will probably be a success.

 

Hare Krishna

[chandu_69]

Let me pretend to be brave and try to answer your queries to the best of my knowledge.

 

 

What is the beginning of Hindu love and walking with the divine as friends? What about sin and being separated from friendship?

 

Taking Bhagavadgita as reference (Bg 12:01-4), Hindus express love to god by worshiping him either in his personal form(Like krishna) or in his impersonal form.Also the devote hindu while worshiping God WILL also engage in welfare of ALL creatures.

 

Being friendly to all living beings is also stressed in BG 11:55

 

God becomes saviour of his devotee by freeing him from the cycle of death and birth.(BG 12:6-7)

 

 

And what about turning back from sin, why would one, how so? What crosses to disunion? Where does the will and strength come from?

Can you be forgiven and have a clear conscience again, like a small child, and the hope of all good things restored? What happens and how?

Shalom.

 

Krishna says selfishness is the root cause of sin and he says The devotee shall do his duty (5:10) without expecting rewards and surrender himself to god.

Those who do selfless work will not be touched by sin(2:39).

[arjun2826]

When you will feel ready, it will be time to restoration.

 

God never give up his children. But his children often forget him and come back to him when they are in difficulties

[Brendan]

Thanks for your answers and compliments.

 

I appear disjointed...

 

I am a Christian, so from my view I seek to find your view. For example, I believe there was a first man, science would say a first tribe or mutant... but from my Christian experience, as mentioned above, I turned to Jesus and the Father when I was in need, and had an experience which for me was above science.

 

This first man was called Adam, and was created perfect in love, light, honour, and justice... formed in these to remain in them, a friend of god. He needed only obey one command. Not to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, obviously to us poison. But his wife was deceived, and entreated him...

 

This was theft from god and Adam did not know it but the deceiver wanted to kill god, a spirit from a former age and great wit and evil deeds.

 

This meant Adam and god called Elohim, which means the Mighty Ones, who used to walk together as friends now had a difference. Their friendship was dead and Adam physically died hundreds of years later. Adam lost Elohim's presence and protection, honour... he could only see visible light and the powerful honour called glory that covered him was gone.

 

So this is where Elohim meets Adam in a new light. Adam covered himself, but Elohim covered Adam with skins which involves blood. Elohim still loved him.

 

Elohim promises that the enemy spirit, the evils deceivers would be crushed, defeated concerning Adam, but not so much Adam as the offspring, and the whole race. Adam never was known to repent, and come back to friendship.

 

We start off cool hearted. This is a Christian view. And later we turn to god after he calls us, and we may refuse.

 

There is disunion from birth in everyone. And we are blind to the supernatural. We only have our conscience and god's word through the prophets and Jesus and his apostles. We may have a family tradition of preachers. We need somehow to reach out and find god's hand which is already there, prompting us and those who obey.

 

Sin, unlove, injustice and not showing mercy separates us from god, selfishness is part of unlove, selfishness is attractive to unlcean spirits.

 

And following sin is always death. And there is sickness. We Christians believe Jesus was an aspect or person of Elohim, who was put into a body, to accord the promise to Adam that evil in our race, would be crushed, and that a descendant of Adam's wife would crush evil, and himself be hurt.

 

Sin, sickness and death in our race, things unique to us, would be defeated from within our race. Jesus, Elohim, was Emanuel, "God with us".

 

He never sinned, unlike any man before him. Even Adam's son a few generations later Enoch, who walked with god, so well that he was taken physically from the earth to god's great presence must have sinned. But Jesus was perfect. Born without sin.

 

Jesus called god is Father, and obeyed him in speech and deeds. So he prophesied and healed the sick and forgave sins. Speaking and forgiving as one with authority.

 

Jesus for the matter of rejoining the disunion of god and men was present among us, lived as one of us in a body like ours, knew hunger and tiredness, and then also betrayal, being falsely accused, and beaten, so that it was like he was very sick.

 

He knew the pressure of sin, because he was cursed with all of it on the crucifix. But he overcame it's power.

 

He engaged death, and overcame it's power. Setting a remarkable example of obedience even if it means death. And showed great strength in remaining obedient and rising from the dead.

 

By this he was injured, but he defeated sin and death for anyone who hears and believes, and receives his presence with it's power.

 

Jesus speaks through his evangelists, good news, and this strengthens us when we hear, and we can drink his presence and this also strengthens us, to turn from sin, and to receive him, and have the greater ability to obey again, to have his love living in our hearts. To cross from sinful aloof from god persons to ones who look to Jesus and love him, the guilt of sin and it's power destroyed in Jesus blood, which is now beautiful in great glory.

 

Jesus offers so much love, that he obeyed and himself not only provides skins and blood, but provides his own blood and life right across to us while we are still sinning to begin to cleanse us and rebuild friendship. He turns us, all of it entirely is his doing. Not our own strength or philosophy. All Jesus.

 

He provides all. And gives us hope to be again like Adam before he sinned, in glory, honour, love, clear conscience, freedom from evil spirits, and in regaining eternal life, in friendship as never before with Elohim and in having eternally glorious physical bodies.

 

His waves of love pour over again and again. Into his presence, love. He knows your sins, more love, and he fully accepts you, and more love, until you love him and want to stay with him, and can begin to admire Jesus obedience, for a short time, suffering in this life, then into his presence and all sin and sickness is gone and there is only perfect love and honour in light. With much wisdom and knowledge. Which is restoration.

 

Also Jesus tells of a time when I think he says there will be no more death. And the world will be renewed to the former glory of Adam's day and beyond.

 

So this is where a Christian comes from conceptually.

 

Love was the original way, then sin came. Then disease and death. Jesus was there before he was made into the flesh and began to deal with sin and death, to end it.

 

His love was unchanging and healing of the divide, his word and presence, his compassion answered to whole problem. His power raises some over sin and from death and gives healing and a clear conscience and new life as when being born, and even better.

 

Could you look at my Christian frame of concepts and express your ideas, for me?

[kshama]

Dear Brendan,

 

Can you point-out at least what you want the forum members to comment on? It will surely create a win-win situation, where you feel satisfied hearing what you want and the forum members would rest satisfied that they explained what you want. Thank you.

[Brendan]

Hey kshama, I want to read your frame work... You see mine came from Genesis, the Gospel and some from the letters, and Revelations.

 

It is a story a plot, and problem and answer, a matter of relationships, and works, and who does them...

 

So I have only read Christian teachings, and from long ago did notr read Hindu literature. So if you could find major pieces and put them into a plot, a way, a frame work, then I could begin to understand.

 

What do you do to begin with.

What to become holy?

Is that what you need to prepare for an after life?

What need you do for eternal life?

What moves you?

[kshama]

Dear Brendan,

 

Hinduism is vast like the ocean, one cannot summarize Hinduism to one thread, even with the things you want to hear. I do not dare to quote or state something, because it can mislead people and initiate unhealthy debates. I hope you would understand my position.

 

I am amazed that you want read something about Hinduism. It is good. But sometimes, what we read, see and hear ourselves, is not as what we perceive, what it is. Even I myself had been in the position sometimes, I am lucky, because learned people point it out at the right time and helped me out from my ignorance pertaining that specific matter.

 

Well I feel sorry I cannot answer you, as I myself a bit disoriented about what exactly you want to know. I think I will leave it to senior members here. They ought to know better.

 

Best wishes,

 

Kshama

[sant]

If you want vedas and hidusim in one story read the mahabharat.

[chandu_69]

Brendan,

 

In Hinduism one relates to god with love and reverence.

 

I am at a loss to understand the friendship concept.

Are you by any chance referring to Psalm 25:14 NLT?.

[Brendan]

Friendship, in the Gospel of John Jesus says. that he calls his disciples "friends" because he trusted them unlike others, to know his business.

 

Although Peter tried to stop Jesus, at which Jesus called him Satan. Meaning obstacle, alike the evil spirits.

 

There are different ways of relating to God, servants, messengers, special messengers, little children, sons, daughters, brothers, sisters, friends, disciples, apostles, eunuchs, adversaries, obstacles, sons of the Devil, demons...

 

Little children are highly favoured and dearly loved. They have not been corrupted and are open, trusting and can have simple faith and a relationship with God. And even love him.

 

Angels of God are by design, only able to be servants of God, in perfect love, never more close than that, closest when they are guarding us as when we are children. Then they are in God's presence.

 

Sons are closer to God, like if you have a son who is good, you love him more than a servant, or, even much the same, but there is a special connection, that is not there with a servant. And a capability in him that an animal cannot have, for relationship, such as speech, compassion... collectively.

 

The same with daughters.

 

Brothers are very close, but in this case a friend is closer.

 

Abraham was a friend of God,he knew God, his plan and did God's will for the work to be done, that pleased God. Peter was a result and became a friend of God.

 

Abraham had the prime example of faith and was willing to sacrifice his son, without doubting God. These things need belief, trust and with it corresponding obedience. And of course from faith can come love, and must be for sonly, brotherly or friendship love...

 

Disciples were followers of Jesus, coming from faith, loyalty, and brotherly love, in their case, with patriotism. There were sisters among them.

 

By faith they were brothers and they gave up normal living for Jesus.

 

Apostles were special messengers, disciples with a greater revelation of God and much power and boldness, after full teaching and life experiences.

 

Evil spirits, demons, angels that fell from servanthood and love, still believe, and fear God, but instead of obedience, there is tremendous pride and ambition.

 

So evil spirits are obstacles, demons, adversaries of God.

 

Friends of God believe, know God, love and obey God and have his trust, and grants from God, important work to do.

 

 

Jam 2:23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, "Abraham believed God, and it was imputed to him for righteousness, and he was called the friend of God."

 

Jam 4:4 Adulterers and adulteresses! Do you not know that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? Therefore whoever desires to be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

 

Joh 15:9 As the Father has loved Me, so I have loved you; continue in My love.

Joh 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you shall abide in My love, even as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.

Joh 15:11 I have spoken these things to you so that My joy might remain in you and your joy might be full.

Joh 15:12 This is My commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you.

Joh 15:13 No one has greater love than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

Joh 15:14 You are My friends if you do whatever I command you.

Joh 15:15 No longer do I call you servants, for the servant does not know what his master does. But I have called you friends, for all things that I have heard from My Father I have made known to you.

Joh 15:16 You have not chosen Me, but I have chosen you and ordained you that you should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain; that whatever you shall ask of the Father in My name, He may give it to you.

Joh 15:17 These things I command you, that you love one another.

Joh 15:18 If the world hates you, you know that it hated Me before it hated you.

Joh 15:19 If you were of the world, the world would love its own. But because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.

Joh 15:20 Remember the word that I said to you, The servant is not greater than his master.

 

Brothers, servants and friends. A lot of trust and love. Covenant and fearing God are important though Chandu_69.

 

Covenant relationship leads to blood brother closeness. It involves blood. Fear is awe, not terror, and is healthy regarding the name and presence of mighty I AM who is just.

 

We Christians believe merely being a son is challenging because of sin working harm in us by our bodies. It means we are unjust and ignore God, disobey and even become sons of the Devil the father of sin, things like murder, adultery, fornication, theft, slander, blasphemy and harmful lies. Also drug use, sloth...

 

We must be born again by faith in Jesus work and power and presence, recreated from being father by the Devil to being Fathered by God. Children excepted, so they will go to God if they die, sinners must repent and be recreated, by Jesus. In him is love to outwardly express, power over sins past, present and future, and over Satan's claim of any of us.

 

Thanks Sant, I will look into that book.

[smaranam]

 

What is the beginning of Hindu love and walking with the divine as friends? .

 

Hello Brendon

 

About yr qn on walking with God in friendship : Absolutely yes.

 

That's precisely what Arjuna did - walked with Krishna (God) - in the *Bhagavad Gita* - Song of the Lord (must read as yr first book or one of the first)

 

Krishna says in the Bhagavad Gita , Chapter 9 - Most Confidential Knowledge

 

BG 9.18: I am the goal, the sustainer, the master, the witness, the abode, the refuge, and the *most dear friend*. I am the creation and the annihilation, the basis of everything, the resting place and the eternal seed.

 

 

Krishna (God) is everywhere , within each sentient and insentient object, without, in space , as well as and MAINLY outside of the material realm i.e. Universe that He creates. (what we call the 'spiritual world')

 

So, in each living entity, He accompanies the individual soul as 'Supersoul'. As Supersoul He enables all activities of living beings and acts as their witness, guide and ONLY IF the individual wants, as a loving companion - otherwise He gives the individual free will and leaves her alone.

 

So, if the living being tunes into Him, He responds, and then once this is realized, the Lord becomes a constant companion walking with you everywhere you go. He is always there, even when we are in our own worlds, but only as a witness. The seeker seeks Him out and says "Oh ! You were right next door and all this while I did not notice You !" Again , this happens by God's grace, mercy but the individual has to have the will.

 

Hope that helps to begin with.

 

Jai Sri Krishna

[ranjeetmore]

 

What do you do to begin with.

What to become holy?

Is that what you need to prepare for an after life?

What need you do for eternal life?

What moves you?

 

 

In Hinduism...

 

There is no beginning as such.The Purusha Sukta describes God(Virat Purusha) as projecting uncountable Planetary systems from a single pore of His body.His body is Divine,Spiritual,Unchanging and He is Unborn,The Origin of all that is formless and with Form in the material universe.So say the vedas.Further,This Divine Person,The Primeval Lord maintains these innumerable planetary systems by His mere will.Similarly,by His will,after billions of years come to pass,This Supreme Person,withdraws the Universe in His being.

This is the God of the Hindus.

 

Soul.

There are infinite souls.Just as the Primeval Godhead is spiritual and not material,so the souls are spiritual.Just as God exists from eternity and will continue to exist forever,even after destruction,the innumerable souls continue to exist.

We see that a rock is not eternal.It is destroyed with time.But the soul and God,both are eternal becoz they are both spiritual and conscious.

The rock has no consciousness.

The svetasvatara upanishad describes how infinte souls appear(not born) from the Supreme Person.Even when the universe is unmanifest,the souls remain within the Supreme Person in a dormant state(thus they are never destroyed or created even.)

 

 

Maya.

This is the third truth.Maya is the energy of the Supreme Person.The visnu Purana talks of this maya.The Bhagavad Geeta clearly describes the nature of this maya as being the energy of the Supreme Person.

Maya means material energy.God transforms maya,with His will.He brings about creation with this maya,then He Himself enters this maya's universe.The soul comes in the maya's world and according to the stored karma,the individual soul gets a body.This feat is performed also by God,Who enters every particle of the universe and thus is called all-knowing and all-powerful.

Maya is not consious.

 

 

So the combination of God(Who maintains His purity and supremacy and spritual nature) and soul(who is spiritual yet situated in a material body) and maya(who is inert) is the total universe.

 

 

Now the goal of Hinduism is : To purify the mind.This is the goal of EACH AND EVERY RELIGION ON THE EARTH.

when the mind is purified,naturally the senses are purified.

 

Now the soul is eligible to see,hear the Spirtual Primeval Person.

 

When the soul obtains a vision of the Supreme Person,he is immediately liberated.He becomes free from maya.

 

The soul now leaves his material body by his own will and crosses the material universe into the region of the Supreme Person.This region is spiritual and always eternal.It is never created,nor destroyed.

 

The vedas call this Paravyoma/Vaikuntha and christians call this Kingdom of God.

 

Here,the soul enjoys ETERNAL,UNLIMITED and EVER INCREASING bliss in the company of the Supreme Lord.

 

This is the supreme goal of the hindus.

 

Now,there is another aspect of the Supreme Lord.Since He is all powerful and has infinite,excellent energies,He(the Supreme Person) is also formless.This formless aspect is all-pervasive and performs no work.

other,better people will describe the ways to achieve this formless aspect but remember one thing: Even to attain this formless aspect of God,the mind has to be purified.There is no other way.

[stokinghem]

Dear Friends

 

On this platform of forum we are all materialistic human in nature at present with all type of earthen qualities (impurities ! ) like belongings selfishness greed anger hunger(food-body) etc. ! With this mind it is impossible to think about the supreme power or person all our brain capacity exhausted for above said qualities ! this brain could not able to visualize beyond it. Have anyone here have experienced or feel more then three dimensions ! When our brain will capable to experience and feel dimensions beyond all three ! Then we will be qualified to know that supreme power-person. And mind well those who have attained this will never feel need to describe supreme to others because all earthen qualities already abolished within him. ! no love no hate no beloved-belongings ! Just Nirvana ! All those who have followers-chelas-bhaktas are wondering with those earthen impurities. Every action has reaction ! whether good or bad ! their is no forgiving no favoring no little or big no friends or foes ! All these tales-talks and rules are their brain child ! If one has known to supreme will never try to intervene or interrupt within supreme's work and cycles ! Everybody must need to make efforts to knows and reach Supreme by himself only there is no via and behalf short cuts !.

 

Hari OM

[smaranam]

Hello once again

 

Just a note : The Bhagavad Gita is a part (major section) of the Mahabharat (the book that was recommended to you by 'Sant') , and is regarded as (one of ?) the most prominent scripture and essence and extract of the Vedic Scriptures.

 

I believe all your original questions will be answered by carefully reading the Gita - at least at a preliminary stage. The Mahabharat , of course , will give you a bigger picture also into the history , and more.

[Brendan]

Ranjeetmore, so the mind or heart must be pure to see god? It is like that with the Gospel, but with out reach from Jesus and the prophets before him, and now pastors.

 

Christians rely on God to reveal himself through his Spirit, and evangelists. And we rely on him to convict us and purify us.

 

We cannot find God or change ourselves.

 

But you Stokinghem say we need work at ourselves?

 

There is no forgiveness?

 

Is it knowledge that purifies or presences or powers?

 

Impurities in Christ faith are ancient spirits. Not earth. But in our bodies of earth is sin, a power withing against the conscience.

 

We Christians fight sin in the body and the spirits, with God's presence and power and angels and wisdom... by faith, relying on him, with nothing in ourselves except the conscience.

 

What is impurity?

 

Are impure thought in the purified merely forgotten?

[bhaktajan]

Love, = There is no love in the material world there is only give and take (as in a mutual business transaction). Love of God (Krishna-Prema) is an "Absolute" thing-- so we must see out the Absolute Truth (the summom-bonum) from absolute sources --in the interim, we must have faith in what little Absolute Truth we do know . . . and carry on.

 

Walking Together As Friends, = Arjuna was without envy --so he was able to keep company next to God (Krishna) during the worst of times. God as "Paramatma" (one part, of the Hindu Thrinity, is the localised presence of God as the Holy Life-force in the Heart) witnesses all actions and keeps us company at all times --yet material sense-pleasures great & small divert our attention --this is where contemplation is famously related to 'seeing God in all acts'.

 

Sin, = ugra-Karma (undisirable re-actions to our own prior acts). Karma (actions) results in Karma-phalam (The fruits of actions). Detrimental actions cause ugra-Karma. Krishna directly explains in the Gita the different types of Actions and their results. Remember this one: "That which is like poison in the beginning, is like nectar in the end; and that which is like nectar in the beginning, is like poison in the end" --tell that to the teens who neglect their homework; or to obese people.

 

Separation, = This is a highly elevated spiritual topic "Feeling: of seperation" is the actual situation we, as spirits in the material world, are entrapped by the material world [i'll leave this to others to explain].

 

Forgiveness, = this is the flip side of non-enviousness. The trappings of the material ego is to accumilate concepts of "I & Mine" ergo, "My ownership of all I survey" --all these false attachments entrench our sense of being in the here and now --forgiveness is actually the recognition that WE are not the propriertor of anything in the material universe (except our own indivisible individual soul, ultimately lossing the mind & body at death to be later born anew with new body commensurate with the aculturation of of actions from the previous lifetime).

 

Restoration = (prayascitta) Wel this is indeed the Hindu path known as "Yoga" ("to link-up" ~similar to "religio",to re-link. re-connect).

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The first rule for the neophyte is this:

"You are not the material body, you are spirit soul"

 

IMO, without any scholarly training everyone can come to know that when Christ died on the cross and rose from the dead and ascended to heaven --that one's indiviual being is "not the material body, you are spirit soul".

 

IMO, the notion that "there is a God from whom we are in his image" --is not an idea that arrises from the intellects of those castaway on a desolate enviroment.

Such knowledge must descend from a higher authority to benedict mankind.

And God indeed does deliver such knowledge --to the deserving (for all others are not interested) who seek escape from the cycle of birth and death.

[ranjeetmore]

To purify the mind: there is only one solution: Think constantly about God,His names,His pastimes,His abode and His associates,who are themselves pure and spiritual and situated in spiritual/pure goodness.

 

Since the Supreme Lord Is supremely pure,the mind gradually takes on these qualities-viz purity.Truthfulness,integrity,honesty,compassion,humility ALL THE GOOD QUALITIES NATURALLY FOLLOW once the mind is under the purification process.

 

However merely being good is not it.It needs to become spiritual to grasp an all-spirtual God.When the mind becomes completely pure...when there is not a single trace of malice,hatred,lust,etc etc,God IMMEDIATELY bestows His mercy.

 

Since God is causelessly merciful...as soon as He realises,"Here is a pure vessel",He immediately bestows His personal energy on that pure person.

 

The energy enters the heart-pure vessel-and immediately makes the mind-senses-intelligence spiritual,thus making the person eligible to experience God directly,even on earth.

 

This is only confirmed when lakhs of hindus witness a great saint reach heights of bliss and exhibit divine symptoms of achieving God EVERY SINGLE GENERATION...NOT that I'm boasting or anything..but the saints on Hinduism's roster are just too many to even count.

 

And so WE HAVE ACTUAL CONVICTION that after the person performs constant remembrance of the Lord and develops love for Him,he ACTUALLY goes to the spiritual world.

 

500 years ago,hundreds of people witnessed a saint mount a divine-blinding chariot of light and ride towards the kingdom of God.

 

His name was tukaram.

[bhaktajan]

I forgot to mention the TIME factor or element.

 

In short, Time exists in the material world. It does not exist in the spiritual Kngdom of God.

 

When a spirit soul returns to heaven . . . after taking birth-after-birth since time immemorial . . . he/she regains their original spiritual body so as to engage in loving reciprical pastimes with God and his entourage [the material world is a perverted reflection of the spiritual Sky --outside the material enclosed universe] . . . when the spirit soul arrives back home he/she has been gone only for a blink of an eye [time does not exist in the same location as eternity] ---this is what is written in the Vedas.

 

Oh, but this is just 1/One millionth of 1 percent of the contents of the Vedic Literatures. But usually a mantra and prayer beads is all that is needed.

 

The Vedas are pre-western history that is now available --whereas, in the past, so many other enterprises and Indu-stries were pursued --instead of searching-out the possiblity that these Vedic Histories existed . . . if only one knew to look.

[Swami Iconoclast]

"This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all. If we claim to have fellowship with him yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live by the truth. But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin." - 1 John 1:5-7

[Brendan]

Ranjeetmore, mercy at purification. No anger, no judgment, not cost to be filled, for love of another that is hurt, by the sinner.

 

Moses was strict and grace minimal, the penalty for sin, even for the one who owned up for stealing and knew his wrong, was to die.

 

God's justice, in Jesus is very strong, you must have a cover and be washed from the displeasing sins or you cannot stand in His presence. Unless clean from being and infant.

 

Bhakjatan, Karma does it change after purification?

 

Swami Iconclast, sin is dealt with in Jesus followers with the blood, to deal with anger from a just God, to cleanse our way and give us a clear conscience and love. We can ask to overcome by the blood of the Lamb and by our testimony of preferring Him to life. From Revelations.

 

Sin gone, Jesus blood stains one with justice and God is pleased to have us come to His presence.

 

These who walk in the light have a history of receiving and inner change and strengthening, and wisdom is in them. They are introduced, and need not repent but more so confess, they have already repented and are removed from thinking far from the way that pleases God, probably confessing once a day or more. Obedient from moment to moment. Not iniquitous, not transgressors, but trippers and fast footing refinders on the narrow and rough road of Christ.

 

Shalom.

[bhaktajan]

WHAT THE HECK IS "blood of the Lamb"?

 

You are speaking gobbily-gook.

 

QUOTE SCRIPTURES!

 

QUOTE SCRIPTURES AT ALL TIMES!

 

THIS AIN'T TO POETS CONVENTION!

 

SACRIFICE? WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT SACRIFICE?

 

BLOOD? WHAT FREAKIN BLOOD? WHY BLOOD? WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT BLOOD vs GOD & SERVICE?

 

Theologians do not speak gobbily-gook they QUOTE SCRIPTURES!

[Brendan]

Earlier in post 6 I mentioned Elohim and the skins of animals covering the first couple of our race.

 

I asked about purification. Ranjeetmore answered by thoughts of God, names, then one is purified by this. I asked by presence or power for in Christianity it is by presence and power, and not knowledge much.

 

Also Jesus word cleansed the disciples, the twelve. Commands and a way...

 

Be careful Bhaktajan of the language you use, I will explain from the Bible what the Blood of the Lamb is.

 

Adam sinned, he was given skins to cover him, also a forerunner of sacrifice. Abraham made a covenant with Elohim in cut animals, and much later, Moses dealt with Israel's sins and those of the generations to come.

 

Genesis 3:21.

 

Moses gave commands, and disobeying "You shall not murder", and "You shall not commit adultery"... needed the death penalty as a matter of justice. For YHWH was looking at Israel and could not accept sin in any of them, or disasters would fall on all of them were sin visible. A blemish.

 

Lev 24:14 This man has cursed me! Take him outside the camp and have the witnesses lay their hands on his head. Then command the whole community of Israel to stone him to death.

Lev 24:15 And warn the others that everyone else who curses me will die in the same way, whether they are Israelites by birth or foreigners living among you.

Lev 24:16 (SEE 24:15)

Lev 24:17 Death is also the penalty for murder,

Lev 24:18 but the killing of an animal that belongs to someone else requires only that the animal be replaced.

 

 

But Moses said that for sin, a clean animal could be sacrificed in the place of the sinner. The sinner would come and bring a lamb with blemish and the priest would lay hands on the lamb to pass the sins from the person to the lamb. The lamb was slain in the place of the sinner, and the blood taken to cover the person's sins, atonement. So God would not see it, and this would be repeated each year. Partly so that a worshiper and lover of YHWH would relate to God and serve Him and have a forgetting of guilt.

 

Exo 29:15 `And the one ram thou dost take, and Aaron and his sons have laid their hands on the head of the ram,

Exo 29:16 and thou hast slaughtered the ram, and hast taken its blood, and hast sprinkled it on the altar round about

 

Lev 14:23 and he hath brought them in on the eighth day for his cleansing unto the priest, unto the opening of the tent of meeting, before Jehovah.

Lev 14:24 `And the priest hath taken the lamb of the guilt-offering, and the log of oil, and the priest hath waved them--a wave-offering before Jehovah;

Lev 14:25 and he hath slaughtered the lamb of the guilt-offering, and the priest hath taken of the blood of the guilt-offering, and hath put on the tip of the right ear of him who is to be cleansed, and on the thumb of his right hand, and on the great toe of his right foot;

Lev 14:26 and the priest doth pour of the oil on the left palm of the priest;

Lev 14:27 and the priest hath sprinkled with his right finger of the oil which is on his left palm, seven times before Jehovah.

Lev 14:28 `And the priest hath put of the oil which is on his palm, on the tip of the right ear of him who is to be cleansed, and on the thumb of his right hand, and on the great toe of his right foot, on the place of the blood of the guilt-offering.

 

Jesus was the Lamb of God, without blemish, no sin at all, and He went to His death in your place and mine. He took in Himself sin, and it was finished in His rugged obedience, and He finished with our sins' power and the guilt of them for us to be clean, right, just, loving and healed from sins damages to our souls...

 

Joh 1:29 The next day John sees Jesus coming to him and says, Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!

Joh 1:30 This is He of whom I said, After me comes a Man who has been before me, for He preceded me.

 

Joh 19:30 Then when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, It is finished! And He bowed His head and gave up the spirit.

Joh 19:31 Then the Jews, because it was Preparation, begged Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away, so that the bodies should not remain on the cross on the sabbath. For that sabbath was a high day.

Joh 19:32 Then the soldiers came and broke the legs of the first, and of the other who was crucified with Him.

Joh 19:33 But when they came to Jesus and saw that He was already dead, they did not break His legs.

Joh 19:34 But one of the soldiers pierced His side with a lance, and instantly there came out blood and water.

 

2Co 5:17 So that if any one is in Christ, that one is a new creature; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.

2Co 5:18 And all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

2Co 5:19 whereas God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and putting the word of reconciliation in us.

2Co 5:20 Then we are ambassadors on behalf of Christ, as God exhorting through us, we beseech you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.

2Co 5:21 For He has made Him who knew no sin, to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

 

To reconcile evil doer and victim, overcoming sin, and paying losses to the victim, so the love, the order of Jesus and Heaven could be instilled on Earth more, so it can be preparation for Heaven.

 

Mat 6:9 Therefore pray in this way: Our Father, who is in Heaven, Hallowed be Your name.

Mat 6:10 Your kingdom come, Your will be done, on earth as it is in Heaven.

 

Joh 15:12 This is My commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you.

Joh 15:13 No one has greater love than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends

 

Knowing about Jesus blood is very important for eternal life and justice, but it's presence and power is the effector of cleansing from sin, for a clear conscience, and reconciliation and for entering the presence of the just and holy Father in Heaven, boldly.

 

1Pe 1:2 according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, to obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ. May grace and peace be multiplied to you.

 

Heb 9:1 The first covenant had rules for worship and a place made for worship as well.

Heb 9:2 A tent was put up, the outer one, which was called the Holy Place. In it were the lampstand and the table with the bread offered to God.

Heb 9:3 Behind the second curtain was the tent called the Most Holy Place.

Heb 9:4 In it were the gold altar for the burning of incense and the Covenant Box all covered with gold and containing the gold jar with the manna in it, Aaron's stick that had sprouted leaves, and the two stone tablets with the commandments written on them.

Heb 9:5 Above the Box were the winged creatures representing God's presence, with their wings spread over the place where sins were forgiven. But now is not the time to explain everything in detail.

Heb 9:6 This is how those things have been arranged. The priests go into the outer tent every day to perform their duties,

Heb 9:7 but only the high priest goes into the inner tent, and he does so only once a year. He takes with him blood which he offers to God on behalf of himself and for the sins which the people have committed without knowing they were sinning.

Heb 9:8 The Holy Spirit clearly teaches from all these arrangements that the way into the Most Holy Place has not yet been opened as long as the outer tent still stands.

Heb 9:9 This is a symbol which points to the present time. It means that the offerings and animal sacrifices presented to God cannot make the worshiper's heart perfect,

Heb 9:10 since they have to do only with food, drink, and various purification ceremonies. These are all outward rules, which apply only until the time when God will establish the new order.

Heb 9:11 But Christ has already come as the High Priest of the good things that are already here. The tent in which he serves is greater and more perfect; it is not a tent made by human hands, that is, it is not a part of this created world.

Heb 9:12 When Christ went through the tent and entered once and for all into the Most Holy Place, he did not take the blood of goats and bulls to offer as a sacrifice; rather, he took his own blood and obtained eternal salvation for us.

Heb 9:13 The blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a burnt calf are sprinkled on the people who are ritually unclean, and this purifies them by taking away their ritual impurity.

Heb 9:14 Since this is true, how much more is accomplished by the blood of Christ! Through the eternal Spirit he offered himself as a perfect sacrifice to God. His blood will purify our consciences from useless rituals, so that we may serve the living God.

Heb 9:15 For this reason Christ is the one who arranges a new covenant, so that those who have been called by God may receive the eternal blessings that God has promised. This can be done because there has been a death which sets people free from the wrongs they did while the first covenant was in effect.

Heb 9:16 In the case of a will it is necessary to prove that the person who made it has died,

Heb 9:17 for a will means nothing while the person who made it is alive; it goes into effect only after his death.

Heb 9:18 That is why even the first covenant went into effect only with the use of blood.

Heb 9:19 First, Moses proclaimed to the people all the commandments as set forth in the Law. Then he took the blood of bulls and goats, mixed it with water, and sprinkled it on the book of the Law and all the people, using a sprig of hyssop and some red wool.

Heb 9:20 He said, "This is the blood which seals the covenant that God has commanded you to obey."

Heb 9:21 In the same way Moses also sprinkled the blood on the Sacred Tent and over all the things used in worship.

Heb 9:22 Indeed, according to the Law almost everything is purified by blood, and sins are forgiven only if blood is poured out.

Heb 9:23 Those things, which are copies of the heavenly originals, had to be purified in that way. But the heavenly things themselves require much better sacrifices.

Heb 9:24 For Christ did not go into a Holy Place made by human hands, which was a copy of the real one. He went into heaven itself, where he now appears on our behalf in the presence of God.

Heb 9:25 The Jewish high priest goes into the Most Holy Place every year with the blood of an animal. But Christ did not go in to offer himself many times,

Heb 9:26 for then he would have had to suffer many times ever since the creation of the world. Instead, now when all ages of time are nearing the end, he has appeared once and for all, to remove sin through the sacrifice of himself.

Heb 9:27 Everyone must die once, and after that be judged by God.

Heb 9:28 In the same manner Christ also was offered in sacrifice once to take away the sins of many. He will appear a second time, not to deal with sin, but to save those who are waiting for him.

 

Jesus blood, now glorified, is the blood of the Lamb, and in Christendom is the main effector of cleansing and justification. Giving honour and also healing from sin. Being an allegory of natural blood, in the supernatural. Clotting, cleansing, nourishing... More than atonement. For redemption and restoration and reconciliation. A life concept, live in God.

 

saying, "Amen! Praise, glory, wisdom, thanksgiving, honor, power, and might belong to our God forever and ever! Amen!"

Rev 7:13 One of the elders asked me, "Who are these people dressed in white robes, and where do they come from?"

Rev 7:14 "I don't know, sir. You do," I answered. He said to me, "These are the people who have come safely through the terrible persecution. They have washed their robes and made them white with the blood of the Lamb.

Rev 7:15 That is why they stand before God's throne and serve him day and night in his temple. He who sits on the throne will protect them with his presence.

 

Rev 12:10 And I heard a great voice saying in Heaven, Now has come the salvation and power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of His Christ. For the accuser of our brothers is cast down, who accused them before our God day and night.

Rev 12:11 And they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb, and because of the word of their testimony. And they did not love their soul until death.

 

Act 3:17 And now, brothers, I know that you did it through ignorance, as also your rulers did.

Act 3:18 But those things which God before had shown by the mouth of all His prophets, that Christ should suffer, He fulfilled in this manner.

Act 3:19 Therefore repent and convert so that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.

Act 3:20 And He shall send Jesus Christ, who before was proclaimed to you,

Act 3:21 whom Heaven truly needs to receive until the times of restoration of all things, which God has spoken by the mouth of His holy prophets since the world began.

 

Shalom!