Guest guest Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 Jai Gurudev I think you are contradicting your own statements, on the one hand you say you take consultation from SadGurudev and the next point you say Tantra Raksha Kavach is not effective, do you have any idea who instituted Tantra Raksha Kavach in the first place? The point of my email was to highlight your stating Tantra Raksha Kavach is useless/ineffective, lets stick to that and not get into a discussion about Mahavidyas, Kritya or Vindhyavasini...what we all need to be educated about is the fact that all these devis and all gods and goddess are within Sadgurudev, so stating Kritya is more powerful compared to Mahavidya etc is as good as comparing your eye is better compared to your ear, each are for different purposes and needs. I fail to understand why you would want to find out the best mantrik in town, when you can contact Gurdev directly, isn't it a fact that our Gurudev is a Mantra Shiromani. Guru energy is one, there is no distinction at all other than they are separated physically. One thing i would like to state here is that this forum is meant to discuss everything related to Gurudev and our abilities to achieve our Gurudevs goals and not for our personal goals and also no negative statements on Gurudev, Gurudham or any samagri that comes from there. If you consider something useless or not good, the best approach is having the frankness to tell Gurudevs, who are the source for these and state that this is of no use and elicit a response from him, than spreading misinformation in the forum...do you agree here? As regards your concern towards me, thank you very much. But the base foundation for serving a Guru is Faith & Devotion, which SadGurudev has clearly highlighted in his website. if a person considers Ajivan Tantra Raksha Kavach is useless/ineffective and also states Guru Diksha does not help, i would doubt the very foundation of your statements. Finally your analogy on bullet proof jackets, bunkers etc are good to hear and map to our physical needs and understandings, however the key difference is a subtlety, Spiritualism works on a different plane altogether and specially when it involves our Gurudev, the ways and means through which his kriyas happen are beyond comphrension and our understandings. I would like to close this email with the following statement that our SadGurudev stated, "Words like failure, defeat, impossible, unattainable, weakness, fear are not meant for my disciples."- Dr. Narayan Dutt Shrimali, the greatest and the most powerful Guru of all times This is a simple challenge that we all can take and see that each of these words are 1000% true and if you try and approach your problems with true heart, all thats stated above and beyond is possible due to our Gurudevs grace. Best Regards Chander Khatri Anand <khatrianand Cc: khatrianand; chander_d_in; issp-south Sent: Friday, 7 November, 2008 12:18:00 PM[issp-south] Re: Please help from Black Magic <<widening the audience for this thread for benefit of people at large Jai Gurudev, As all of you know, Guruji (Nikhileshwarananda ) had ordered me to keep helping people. I do consultation to many on mails, chat whatever way possible. For many, If they have money, I had asked to take the Tantra Raksha Kavach as first line of defence, and continue using our own kavacha (say kali, Hanuman... which ever is their ishta) as second and permanant kavach for individual. >>I would like to understand the validity and the source for your statement... I liked this !! One should be asking right questions to dig out truth, and ward off side statements and misbeliefs !! No offences to anyone, but the fact is, if you think "Aajeevan Tantra Raksha Kavach" is the ultimate in this world, and no attack can ever reach the person wearing it, then I do not agree with it. As I told earlier, there is no shield in this world which can protect for ever, which can withstand continuse attacks. This also means if one feels he is safe as nothing ever happened to him since he wore some kavacha, if any enemy does continuese attacks, that shield is bound to break some day. I believe you are aware that even Mahavidya Siddha person can also get hit if the attack is done by Krutya. ( So the fact is even Mahavidya can't protect against Krutya attack, forget trivial kavacha). And among 64 krutya also, Sanharini Krutya is ultimate and the strongest of all. There is only one shield which can protect against such (limited not infinite) attacks which is by sadhana of WindhyaVasini Goddess. I am not sure whether one can also make attack after WindhyaVasini siddhi, but surely it can protect you even for Krutya attack!!. Let's not get in too much detail, 99% of us will never face such attacks in our lifetime, as such level Tantriks are very rare, and even our enemies can't reach them, so we are safe !! Most of the general Mantriks do attacks by some shakti like, bhoot, pishach, jin, Mooth / Handi. And even for that attack, its difficult for general person to come out of it. Some hard facts: Any Kavach is a new shield around you, how could that remove the already existing attack? Rightnow I am witnessing a family ( because of privacy concerns, I could not discuss those details in open forum), they are already hit by a severe Tantra attack few years back, and even now the attacks are continued, whole family is hit and they are at a stage that their body has become very very weak, for past 2 years they are unable to take food, they are on liquid diet like an ICU patient !! They could not do any mantra japa etc. All of them had already took Gurudiksha and are wearing Tantra Raksha Kavach, and sorry to say did not had any benefit at all. They have been consulting Gurudham many times, and have met Trimurty Gurudev also. They have been hunting to get some good Tantrik to get rid of this problem. Have consulted many, and many mantriks failed. They come to me, I suggested some remedy and also had also given some Mantrik names, and even that fellow failed !! Today I urge everyone on this forum, if you know any good Mantrik, please reply back with contact details of Mantrik to get this family out of this attack. So the conclusion is, if the Muth /Handi had already hit you, and the whole body is already on its way to grave, Tantra Raksha Kavach is of no use, in fact its too late to use any kavach. The only way is to get rid of that attack first. Let's get little more awareness around, its not that one is always attacked by his enemies. One can get affected by many bad shaktis around. If spiritually one is not strong enough, one is bound to get hit by something or the other. The effect may not be severe, but something like increased dullness of for life, even after doing lot of hardwork not getting enough results. etc can happen. So the analogy is like, life is a long journy, and the journy is through a jungle. Even though you are not attacked by enemies in the jungle, you can always had a pinch of adversaries of jungle. Protecting oneself is always better. >>can tell you from my personal experience of wearing it, it wards off all attacks. The effect what you are observing is the shield around you to get protection against jungle adversaries. Obeviously wearing clothes and shoes makes you comfortable to walk in jungle. Does that mean you are forever, till lifetime free from enemy attack? As afriend of mine, just making you aware...... (I sincerely wish that with grace of Gurudev no one among us have to face severe Tantra attack in your life, believe me it ruins life..... I had seen this with my eyes.....) Lastly I like to clarify from my side that I had put some hard facts in this mail. This is no offences to anyone, I perfectly understand the fact that Gurudev(s) are the point of source to look forward to. Plus I want to make people aware that using kavach is like wearing shoes and cloths/jackets. Some protection they can give. Its not a bullet proof jacket. Secondly bullet proof jacket can also break with continuse firing of bullets. May be bunker is the right place. Again strong laser bomb attack can even break bunker.... so the list is endless... it all depends on the shield and attack strength. We all should prey Guru Nikhil, get his blessings, develope shield around of some kavacha. Do sadhanas to remove purva janma dosha etc, so that in our journy of life / the path is such that the adversaries / attacks are less or minimal. That's the intilligent way of making use of life. Jai Gurudev, Anand Anand's Knowledge Series: Tantra Public chat room: http://xat.com/ ISSPHindi: http://groups. / group/issp- south Knowledge% 20Series/Marathi: http://groups. / group/issp- marathi Anand%27s% 20Knowledge% 20Base/ Chander D <chander_d_in@ >@ s.comThursday, 6 November, 2008 10:53:08 AMRe: Please help from Black Magic Jai Gurudev Anand, I am not sure the basis on which you are saying Aajivan Tantra Raksha kavach removes effect mildly. Do you personally wear one, have you felt the powers yourself?. I can tell you from my personal experience of wearing it, it wards off all attacks. The Aajivan Tantra Raksha kavach prepared in Gurudham is not something thats bought off the shelf, its something that is prepared exclusively for the wearer's benefits and to tackle his specific problems and attacks. Infact its placed in Gurudevs personal pooja place for 3 days before its even given back to the person to wear. Care needs to be ensured that the person if married, removes it before he goes to bed, during a women's period and also not let a dog or any animal from licking it as any of the three stated facts neutralizes the energies within the kavach. Though i second your opinion on performing sadhanas to nullify the effects specifically Kali, Tripura Bhairavi, Bagalamukhi Mahavidya sadhanas. Aajivan kavach are given for people who may not have the necessary resources etc to perform sadhanas such as those and for people who can using the kavach still ensures a line of defence aganist such attacks. I would like to understand the validity and the source for your statement... .kindly enlighten us. Thanks Chander Khatri Anand <khatrianand@ >@ s..comCc: sspmtyvnew Wednesday, 5 November, 2008 11:57:22 PMRe: Please help from Black Magic I really want to pull attention of everyone to the fact that Any kavach provides limited shield against Tantra attack. There is no shield which can stop all attacks for ever. If the attacks are continusely done, no shield can withstand !!. One has to take efforts to make his shield stronger and stronger day by day, by using some Tantra kavach ourself, and not only depend on some external readymade kavach. New Shield by itself can not remove already existing attack. Although usage of Aajeevan Tantra Raksha kavach, may remove mild effects if any. For removal of any strong Tantra attack, you need to do some sadhana or someone else can do for you, may be some Mantrik / Guruji can help you to get rid from this effect. Regards, Anand Anand's Knowledge Series: Tantra Public chat room: http://xat.com/ ISSPHindi: http://groups. / group/issp- south Knowledge% 20Series/Marathi: http://groups. / group/issp- marathi Anand%27s% 20Knowledge% 20Base/ jay <sspmtyvnew >@ s.comTuesday, 4 November, 2008 6:10:46 PMRe: Please help from Black Magic Jay Gurudev, I have also expereineced black magic in my life If you wear aajivan tantra raksha kavach,it will protect you it costs around 11000 rupees, you can get from delhi gurudham or from jodhpur more infohttp://www.siddhash ram.org/blackmag ic.shtml Jay Gurudev --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Bhushan <bhushankir (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Bhushan <bhushankir (AT) gmail (DOT) com> Please help from Black Magic@ s.comMonday, November 3, 2008, 7:04 AM Jai Gurudev,Dear Gurubhai,Please suggest me some remedy if anyone is trying to perform some black magic on you, coz i am experiencing it.Need your valuable guidance, Its urgent please.Thanks & Best regards,Bhushan Connect with friends all over the world. 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Guest guest Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 Jai Gurudev You seem to have selective understanding with writing or reading your own mails, please read and re-read your emails on the words "Useless" and "ineffective". Also when you take somebody as your Guru, you need to have COMPLETE FAITH AND DEVOTION in everything he says or does. This is the basic essence of Guru - Shishya relationship. As far as limitations are concerned, its only within your own mind not with what Gurudev says, speaks, writes or does. Gurudev is a COMPLETE person, he will never suggest anything that has limitations etc, thats the basic rule, i think you need to read his pravachans, shishya dharm and his books along with shivir dvds to understand and imbibe this first. Brother, lets not worry about our individual capabilities and disabilities, i never suggest to anybody here, the only suggestion that i always say is contact Gurudevs and speak out your heart frankly, most of the problems get solved automatically. And let me take your attention to one of the founding principles of our Gurudev, He would never ever recommend anybody to openly state his powers/shaktis and NEVER believed in any Chamtakars or displays. As his shisyas, this is one more of our dharmas to adhere to. I am afterall a small light, whose source is Gurudev and since you do not believe Gurudevs words about He being the complete master of all Mahavidyas and all Mahavidyas reside within him, what would you want me to do to show that Guru and Mahavidya are one? As regards your challenge, go ahead and have this family speak to Trimurthy Gurudevs with a open heart, i will say there problem will start disappearing immediately. Do not tell me they have already, i do know that, however i am suggesting with a open heart, have them try it once, they will see a difference. As regards close contacts with Gurudev, we all do as his shisyas, we just need to open up the channel by putting an effort to meet him personally, preferably in Jodhpur and not during shivirs, since there is generally a huge set of people and our ability to spend any quality time is limited. Hope this helps! Regards Chander Khatri Anand <khatrianandissp-south Sent: Friday, 7 November, 2008 8:37:34 PMRe: [issp-south] Re: Please help from Black Magic Jai Gurudev, Comments embeded: >>I think you are contradicting your own statements, on the one hand you say you take consultation from SadGurudev and the next point you say Tantra Raksha Kavach is not effective, do you have any idea who instituted Tantra Raksha Kavach in the first place? Yes I do take consultation from Guru Nikhil, the only good thing which happend in my life is having Guru as Nikhileshwarananda. There is no single doubt what so ever on Guru Nikhil, so let's not confuse two different issues. Listen carefully... .. I am NOT saying Tantra Raksha Kavach is useless, I am only talking about its limitations. Even if Guru Nikhil instituted this kavach, what makes you think it will not have any limitations? Secondly having limitation of some Kavacha is a natural, I am just stating facts, if there is a limitation to something how do I contradict my statements? >>The point of my email was to highlight your stating Tantra Raksha Kavach is useless/ineffective , lets stick to that and not get into a discussion about Mahavidyas, Kritya or Vindhyavasini. Again, I never said its useless, I just stated its limitations. I know its limitations of this kavacha for sure, you can consult Trimurty Gurudev to know details. Having Gurubhakti, devotion is good, I urge everyone to keep facts and Gurubhakti seperate. >>..what we all need to be educated about is the fact that all these devis and all gods and goddess are within Sadgurudev, so stating Kritya is more powerful compared to Mahavidya etc is as good as comparing your eye is better compared to your ear, each are for different purposes and needs. I failed to understand your point of view here. Yes everything is in Guru Nikhil, as he already had all the mahavidya siddhi. You are a deciple, and already united with Guru.... do you take this challange to use same Mahavidya power to remove the Tantra attack on this family? You may use Gurumantra, you may use your own Tantra Raksha kavach, just anything you can... show me the effect that as Guru and Mahavidya are one and the other, and you and Guru are same... then you can use power of Mahavidya !!. OK, open challange to the whole group, any deciple ready to take this challange and remove the Tantra attack on this family? I fail to understand why you would want to find out the best mantrik in town, when you can contact Gurdev directly, isn't it a fact that our Gurudev is a Mantra Shiromani. Guru energy is one, there is no distinction at all other than they are separated physically. One thing i would like to state here is that this forum is meant to discuss everything related to Gurudev and our abilities to achieve our Gurudevs goals and not for our personal goals and also no negative statements on Gurudev, Gurudham or any samagri that comes from there. If you consider something useless or not good, the best approach is having the frankness to tell Gurudevs, who are the source for these and state that this is of no use and elicit a response from him, than spreading misinformation in the forum...do you agree here? I do not have any intentions etc to spread any negative words about anyone. What I will get by doing that? The affected family indeed contacted Trimurty Gurudev, and attended some shivirs, took Gurudiksha, and even mahavidya diksha. Had met Gurudev personally for consultation. Still the issue is not resolved. The affected family had consulted me, and I know the facts with ground realities, its one of the most severe Tantra attacks I had ever seen in my life !!. If you think I am lying, or even suspect that the family didn't reached Gurudev at all, can you jump in this issue? I want to help this family, if you have close contacts with Gurudev, let's use it, and get help from our trimurty Gurudev to this family in need. Regards, Anand Anand's Knowledge Series: Tantra Public chat room: http://xat.com/ ISSPHindi: http://groups. / group/issp- south Knowledge% 20Series/Marathi: http://groups. / group/issp- marathi Anand%27s% 20Knowledge% 20Base/ Chander D <chander_d_in@ >issp-south@gro ups.com; @ s.comCc: khatrianand@ hotmail.comFriday, 7 November, 2008 2:12:11 PMRe: [issp-south] Re: Please help from Black Magic Jai Gurudev I think you are contradicting your own statements, on the one hand you say you take consultation from SadGurudev and the next point you say Tantra Raksha Kavach is not effective, do you have any idea who instituted Tantra Raksha Kavach in the first place? The point of my email was to highlight your stating Tantra Raksha Kavach is useless/ineffective , lets stick to that and not get into a discussion about Mahavidyas, Kritya or Vindhyavasini. ..what we all need to be educated about is the fact that all these devis and all gods and goddess are within Sadgurudev, so stating Kritya is more powerful compared to Mahavidya etc is as good as comparing your eye is better compared to your ear, each are for different purposes and needs. I fail to understand why you would want to find out the best mantrik in town, when you can contact Gurdev directly, isn't it a fact that our Gurudev is a Mantra Shiromani. Guru energy is one, there is no distinction at all other than they are separated physically. One thing i would like to state here is that this forum is meant to discuss everything related to Gurudev and our abilities to achieve our Gurudevs goals and not for our personal goals and also no negative statements on Gurudev, Gurudham or any samagri that comes from there. If you consider something useless or not good, the best approach is having the frankness to tell Gurudevs, who are the source for these and state that this is of no use and elicit a response from him, than spreading misinformation in the forum...do you agree here? As regards your concern towards me, thank you very much. But the base foundation for serving a Guru is Faith & Devotion, which SadGurudev has clearly highlighted in his website. if a person considers Ajivan Tantra Raksha Kavach is useless/ineffective and also states Guru Diksha does not help, i would doubt the very foundation of your statements. Finally your analogy on bullet proof jackets, bunkers etc are good to hear and map to our physical needs and understandings, however the key difference is a subtlety, Spiritualism works on a different plane altogether and specially when it involves our Gurudev, the ways and means through which his kriyas happen are beyond comphrension and our understandings. I would like to close this email with the following statement that our SadGurudev stated, "Words like failure, defeat, impossible, unattainable, weakness, fear are not meant for my disciples."- Dr. Narayan Dutt Shrimali, the greatest and the most powerful Guru of all times This is a simple challenge that we all can take and see that each of these words are 1000% true and if you try and approach your problems with true heart, all thats stated above and beyond is possible due to our Gurudevs grace. Best Regards Chander Khatri Anand <khatrianand@ >@ s.comCc: khatrianand@ hotmail.com; chander_d_in@ ; issp-south@gro ups.comFriday, 7 November, 2008 12:18:00 PM[issp-south] Re: Please help from Black Magic <<widening the audience for this thread for benefit of people at large Jai Gurudev, As all of you know, Guruji (Nikhileshwarananda ) had ordered me to keep helping people. I do consultation to many on mails, chat whatever way possible. For many, If they have money, I had asked to take the Tantra Raksha Kavach as first line of defence, and continue using our own kavacha (say kali, Hanuman... which ever is their ishta) as second and permanant kavach for individual. >>I would like to understand the validity and the source for your statement... I liked this !! One should be asking right questions to dig out truth, and ward off side statements and misbeliefs !! No offences to anyone, but the fact is, if you think "Aajeevan Tantra Raksha Kavach" is the ultimate in this world, and no attack can ever reach the person wearing it, then I do not agree with it. As I told earlier, there is no shield in this world which can protect for ever, which can withstand continuse attacks. This also means if one feels he is safe as nothing ever happened to him since he wore some kavacha, if any enemy does continuese attacks, that shield is bound to break some day. I believe you are aware that even Mahavidya Siddha person can also get hit if the attack is done by Krutya. ( So the fact is even Mahavidya can't protect against Krutya attack, forget trivial kavacha). And among 64 krutya also, Sanharini Krutya is ultimate and the strongest of all. There is only one shield which can protect against such (limited not infinite) attacks which is by sadhana of WindhyaVasini Goddess. I am not sure whether one can also make attack after WindhyaVasini siddhi, but surely it can protect you even for Krutya attack!!. Let's not get in too much detail, 99% of us will never face such attacks in our lifetime, as such level Tantriks are very rare, and even our enemies can't reach them, so we are safe !! Most of the general Mantriks do attacks by some shakti like, bhoot, pishach, jin, Mooth / Handi. And even for that attack, its difficult for general person to come out of it. Some hard facts: Any Kavach is a new shield around you, how could that remove the already existing attack? Rightnow I am witnessing a family ( because of privacy concerns, I could not discuss those details in open forum), they are already hit by a severe Tantra attack few years back, and even now the attacks are continued, whole family is hit and they are at a stage that their body has become very very weak, for past 2 years they are unable to take food, they are on liquid diet like an ICU patient !! They could not do any mantra japa etc. All of them had already took Gurudiksha and are wearing Tantra Raksha Kavach, and sorry to say did not had any benefit at all. They have been consulting Gurudham many times, and have met Trimurty Gurudev also. They have been hunting to get some good Tantrik to get rid of this problem. Have consulted many, and many mantriks failed. They come to me, I suggested some remedy and also had also given some Mantrik names, and even that fellow failed !! Today I urge everyone on this forum, if you know any good Mantrik, please reply back with contact details of Mantrik to get this family out of this attack. So the conclusion is, if the Muth /Handi had already hit you, and the whole body is already on its way to grave, Tantra Raksha Kavach is of no use, in fact its too late to use any kavach. The only way is to get rid of that attack first. Let's get little more awareness around, its not that one is always attacked by his enemies. One can get affected by many bad shaktis around. If spiritually one is not strong enough, one is bound to get hit by something or the other. The effect may not be severe, but something like increased dullness of for life, even after doing lot of hardwork not getting enough results. etc can happen. So the analogy is like, life is a long journy, and the journy is through a jungle. Even though you are not attacked by enemies in the jungle, you can always had a pinch of adversaries of jungle. Protecting oneself is always better. >>can tell you from my personal experience of wearing it, it wards off all attacks. The effect what you are observing is the shield around you to get protection against jungle adversaries. Obeviously wearing clothes and shoes makes you comfortable to walk in jungle. Does that mean you are forever, till lifetime free from enemy attack? As afriend of mine, just making you aware...... (I sincerely wish that with grace of Gurudev no one among us have to face severe Tantra attack in your life, believe me it ruins life...... I had seen this with my eyes.....) Lastly I like to clarify from my side that I had put some hard facts in this mail. This is no offences to anyone, I perfectly understand the fact that Gurudev(s) are the point of source to look forward to. Plus I want to make people aware that using kavach is like wearing shoes and cloths/jackets. Some protection they can give. Its not a bullet proof jacket. Secondly bullet proof jacket can also break with continuse firing of bullets. May be bunker is the right place. Again strong laser bomb attack can even break bunker.... so the list is endless... it all depends on the shield and attack strength. We all should prey Guru Nikhil, get his blessings, develope shield around of some kavacha. Do sadhanas to remove purva janma dosha etc, so that in our journy of life / the path is such that the adversaries / attacks are less or minimal. That's the intilligent way of making use of life. Jai Gurudev, Anand Anand's Knowledge Series: Tantra Public chat room: http://xat.com/ ISSPHindi: http://groups. / group/issp- south Knowledge% 20Series/Marathi: http://groups. . / group/issp- marathi Anand%27s% 20Knowledge% 20Base/ Chander D <chander_d_in@ >@ s.comThursday, 6 November, 2008 10:53:08 AMRe: Please help from Black Magic Jai Gurudev Anand, I am not sure the basis on which you are saying Aajivan Tantra Raksha kavach removes effect mildly. Do you personally wear one, have you felt the powers yourself?. I can tell you from my personal experience of wearing it, it wards off all attacks. The Aajivan Tantra Raksha kavach prepared in Gurudham is not something thats bought off the shelf, its something that is prepared exclusively for the wearer's benefits and to tackle his specific problems and attacks. Infact its placed in Gurudevs personal pooja place for 3 days before its even given back to the person to wear. Care needs to be ensured that the person if married, removes it before he goes to bed, during a women's period and also not let a dog or any animal from licking it as any of the three stated facts neutralizes the energies within the kavach. Though i second your opinion on performing sadhanas to nullify the effects specifically Kali, Tripura Bhairavi, Bagalamukhi Mahavidya sadhanas. Aajivan kavach are given for people who may not have the necessary resources etc to perform sadhanas such as those and for people who can using the kavach still ensures a line of defence aganist such attacks. I would like to understand the validity and the source for your statement... .kindly enlighten us. Thanks Chander Khatri Anand <khatrianand@ >@ s..comCc: sspmtyvnew Wednesday, 5 November, 2008 11:57:22 PMRe: Please help from Black Magic I really want to pull attention of everyone to the fact that Any kavach provides limited shield against Tantra attack. There is no shield which can stop all attacks for ever. If the attacks are continusely done, no shield can withstand !!. One has to take efforts to make his shield stronger and stronger day by day, by using some Tantra kavach ourself, and not only depend on some external readymade kavach. New Shield by itself can not remove already existing attack. Although usage of Aajeevan Tantra Raksha kavach, may remove mild effects if any. For removal of any strong Tantra attack, you need to do some sadhana or someone else can do for you, may be some Mantrik / Guruji can help you to get rid from this effect. Regards, Anand Anand's Knowledge Series: Tantra Public chat room: http://xat.com/ ISSPHindi: http://groups. / group/issp- south Knowledge% 20Series/Marathi: http://groups. / group/issp- marathi Anand%27s% 20Knowledge% 20Base/ jay <sspmtyvnew >@ s.comTuesday, 4 November, 2008 6:10:46 PMRe: Please help from Black Magic Jay Gurudev, I have also expereineced black magic in my life If you wear aajivan tantra raksha kavach,it will protect you it costs around 11000 rupees, you can get from delhi gurudham or from jodhpur more infohttp://www.siddhash ram.org/blackmag ic.shtml Jay Gurudev --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Bhushan <bhushankir (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote: Bhushan <bhushankir (AT) gmail (DOT) com> Please help from Black Magic@ s.comMonday, November 3, 2008, 7:04 AM Jai Gurudev,Dear Gurubhai,Please suggest me some remedy if anyone is trying to perform some black magic on you, coz i am experiencing it.Need your valuable guidance, Its urgent please.Thanks & Best regards,Bhushan Connect with friends all over the world. 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Guest guest Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 But i thought when you started off your knowledge series you were ordered by Gurudev to do so, what happened now, you guide people based on your own Knowledge or from what Gurudev suggested to you? If you are doing based on your knowledge then its personal goals, this forum is for sharing everything about Gurudev and none of our own personal knowledge or ideas. See my point on your own contradictions? Do not tell me to read my emails, you need to read your earlier emails before caring about responding. Thanks Chander Khatri Anand <khatrianandissp-south Sent: Friday, 7 November, 2008 9:22:27 PMRe: [issp-south] Re: Please help from Black Magic Nice Question Vikram, It's not my family which is hit, .... its some family I know, got hit. I do consultation with Gurudev for my own issues. Never consulted him for issues of the rest of the world. I don't wan't to distueb him for all the rest issues in this world.. Regards, Anand Anand's Knowledge Series: Tantra Public chat room: http://xat.com/ ISSPHindi: http://groups. / group/issp- south Knowledge% 20Series/Marathi: http://groups. / group/issp- marathi Anand%27s% 20Knowledge% 20Base/ vikram <vikrampk >issp-south@gro ups.comFriday, 7 November, 2008 9:13:24 PM[issp-south] Re: Please help from Black Magic Dear Anand,When your family is hit by tantrik as per your sayings and when you have telepathy connection with Nikhil Gurudev.Why didnt you consulted directly with Nikhil Gurudev?If you consulted what was his answer ?...Jai GurudevVikram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 2008 Report Share Posted November 9, 2008 Anand, My response inline, Raj I really do not want to flood the group with the mails..... but it seems that instead of listening to the core issue, everyone loves to talk about Gurubhakti, and accuse others... listen and understand carefully, and take care that you don't run away from main issue of discussion. First of all, this issue started like this: My understanding is, If someone is already hit by a Tantra Prayog, one has to remove the Tantra attack, just wearing any Kavacha does not help. Other gurubhais were not agreeing to me. >Chander: Agree, any kavach will not work, however Ajivan Tantra Raksha Kavach will, this is from my personal experience, my question to you was the basis and foundation on which you said Ajivan Tantra Raksha Kavach has LIMITED abilities and USELESS. My foundation is my personal experience, whats yours, hear say/what that family told you?. I am incredulous that as a Guru shisya, you doubt the very fact that what Gurudev has instituted is USELESS and LIMITED, this questioning my friend is not Guru Bhakti, this is Guru Maryada, If you do not believe something, thats fine, do not try and enforce your negative, so called FACTS on us. If you still want to go ahead, be our guest, but speak and tell this to Gurudev himself during your telepathic conversations and let us know what Gurudev told you. we all eager to understand Gurudevs response and due to your convienient nature of answering questions selectively, i will take on the onus of asking and reminding this every week till we get an answer and this answer needs to be circulated on both ISSP-SOUTH and ISSPLIST. Remember you were the one who broadend the audience for your response and suddenly you were the one who also shrunk it to ISSP-SOUTH.....Right? I had given evidence of a Gurubhai family, right now they all (mother father, two sons) 4 of them are almost reaching graveyard because of severe Tantra attack. This family had tried all means starting from taking Diksha, Mahavidya Diksha, consultation to Gurudham, trying other Mantriks, situation is still the same. >Chander: You already have two options, One check with Sadgurudev telepathically and get the response, which as i stated earlier, we will remind you and get answers out. Two have this family meet Trimurthy Gurudevs at the earliest at any of the nearest shivirs and with a open heart and frankness say that both Diksha and Ajivan Tantra Raksha Kavach has not helped this family, whats our next steps. Here again we all would be eager to listen to the answers that you got from both the above stated options. They have contacted me, I also tried some means and I also failed. >Chander: I think now you will use your ultimate weapon of Telepathy and let us know the answers, i am sure there will be lot more who have suffered similar attacks and do get a first hand experience of Gurudev's suggestions and directions, Thanks to you. Anand, believe me, you will be helping thousands of people in this parivar. Now we have just two options left Get in touch with Gurudham for re-consultation. I need someone from this group having close contacts with Trimurty Gurudev, and have an immediate consultation ASAP. Any capable Gurubhai give a try of removing this Tantra attack. >Chander: DO NOT run behind other mantriks, tantriks or Gurubhais, lets check out the options we have discussed above since other mantriks and tantriks are nowhere close to where Gurudev is and we Gurubhais are just small lights, whose SOURCE is GURUDEV and when you have direct connection with the SOURCE, why us? Lets see a logical closure of this issue. Please hold back your expert comments on trying to teach me Gurubhakti, and on material from Gurudham blah blah..... . We are seriously talking about saving life of a Gurubhai's family and not any unwanted chamatkars OR personal agenda here !! >Chander: I really appreciate your concerns and more than 1000% sure Gurudev himself already knows this. And with whatever limited experiences i have had with Gurudev at times of distress, all he really needs is a small cry from the heart for help and before one knows whats happening, things are changed for the better, i have felt and understood this essence. I AM MORE THAN 1000% sure, Gurudev will not keep you waiting with a response, for all you know as i typing this, you must have already got your response. >Chander: When you challenge somebody for a solution and stating stuff like Mahavidya is Guru and Guru is Mahavidya SHOW ME THAT.....what does that constitute....Physics Lab or Chamtakar?. >Chander: Brother, nobody is trying to teach Guru Bhakti, you are just sensitized that this is a public forum meant for discussion on Gurudev and when you have the audacity to state HIS kavach are LIMITED and USELESS and also HIS diksha, you better have strong foundation to back up your claims else do not indulge in your LOOSE statements.And as regards understanding and reading carefully, you are the one having selective amensia and ability to reply selectively...NOT us. Thanks Chander Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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