doubt and belief is both maya of lord gurudev

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i think doubt and firm belief is both part of lord gurudev's blessing.

 

he creates doubt and then helps us to solve them by which we become

closer to him and also wiser and with wisdom.

 

lord gurudev is sarveshwar so maya bhog moksha etc all is part

of his divinity and leela just we r also part of lord gurudev

who is sarvavyapi parameshwar.

 

 

gopal

 

 

On 11/12/08, Bishnu Neopanae <bishnuneopanae wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Jaya Gurudev This is to discuss a statement of Gurubhai's in one of the emails.....Quote I urge everyone to keep facts and Gurubhakti separate...... Unquote

Let us be very careful now and ask ourselves these questions (and many more...)If Facts and Guru Bhakiti are different seaprate feelings........ Is Gurubhakti just an act (as in acting) ? Is Gurubhakti a fantasy ?

I would say bring your body and soul unto the Lotus feet facts will become illusion (maya) and Guru Bhakti will become real fact of life. Or it should...... Jaya Guru Dev

 

 

 

 

 

Jai Gurudevhallange to use same Mahavidya power to remove the Tantra attack on this family?

 

 

 

 

 

 

You may use Gurumantra, you may use your own Tantra Raksha kavach, just anything you can... show me the effect that as Guru and Mahavidya are one and the other, and you and Guru are same... then you can use power of Mahavidya !!.

 

OK, open challange to the whole group, any deciple ready to take this challange and remove the Tantra attack on this family?

 

I fail to understand why you would want to find out the best mantrik in town, when you can contact Gurdev directly, isn't it a fact that our Gurudev is a Mantra Shiromani. Guru energy is one, there is no distinction at all other than they are separated physically. One thing i would like to state here is that this forum is meant to discuss everything related to Gurudev and our abilities to achieve our Gurudevs goals and not for our personal goals and also no negative statements on Gurudev, Gurudham or any samagri that comes from there. If you consider something useless or not good, the best approach is having the frankness to tell Gurudevs, who are the source for these and state that this is of no use and elicit a response from him, than spreading misinformation in the forum...do you agree here?

 

I do not have any intentions etc to spread any negative words about anyone. What I will get by doing that?

 

The affected family indeed contacted Trimurty Gurudev, and attended some shivirs, took Gurudiksha, and even mahavidya diksha. Had met Gurudev personally for consultation. Still the issue is not resolved.

 

The affected family had consulted me, and I know the facts with ground realities, its one of the most severe Tantra attacks I had ever seen in my life !!.

 

If you think I am lying, or even suspect that the family didn't reached Gurudev at all, can you jump in this issue? I want to help this family, if you have close contacts with Gurudev, let's use it, and get help from our trimurty Gurudev to this family in need.

 

Regards,

Anand

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Chander D <chander_d_in@ >issp-south@gro ups.com; @ s.com

Cc: khatrianand@ hotmail.comFriday, 7 November, 2008 2:12:11 PM

Re: [issp-south] Re: Please help from Black Magic

 

 

 

Jai Gurudev

 

I think you are contradicting your own statements, on the one hand you say you take consultation from SadGurudev and the next point you say Tantra Raksha Kavach is not effective, do you have any idea who instituted Tantra Raksha Kavach in the first place?

 

The point of my email was to highlight your stating Tantra Raksha Kavach is useless/ineffective , lets stick to that and not get into a discussion about Mahavidyas, Kritya or Vindhyavasini. ..what we all need to be educated about is the fact that all these devis and all gods and goddess are within Sadgurudev, so stating Kritya is more powerful compared to Mahavidya etc is as good as comparing your eye is better compared to your ear, each are for different purposes and needs.

 

I fail to understand why you would want to find out the best mantrik in town, when you can contact Gurdev directly, isn't it a fact that our Gurudev is a Mantra Shiromani. Guru energy is one, there is no distinction at all other than they are separated physically. One thing i would like to state here is that this forum is meant to discuss everything related to Gurudev and our abilities to achieve our Gurudevs goals and not for our personal goals and also no negative statements on Gurudev, Gurudham or any samagri that comes from there. If you consider something useless or not good, the best approach is having the frankness to tell Gurudevs, who are the source for these and state that this is of no use and elicit a response from him, than spreading misinformation in the forum...do you agree here?

 

As regards your concern towards me, thank you very much. But the base foundation for serving a Guru is Faith & Devotion, which SadGurudev has clearly highlighted in his website. if a person considers Ajivan Tantra Raksha Kavach is useless/ineffective and also states Guru Diksha does not help, i would doubt the very foundation of your statements.

 

Finally your analogy on bullet proof jackets, bunkers etc are good to hear and map to our physical needs and understandings, however the key difference is a subtlety, Spiritualism works on a different plane altogether and specially when it involves our Gurudev, the ways and means through which his kriyas happen are beyond comphrension and our understandings. I would like to close this email with the following statement that our SadGurudev stated,

 

" Words like failure, defeat, impossible, unattainable, weakness, fear are not meant for my disciples. " - Dr. Narayan Dutt Shrimali, the greatest and the most powerful Guru of all times

 

This is a simple challenge that we all can take and see that each of these words are 1000% true and if you try and approach your problems with true heart, all thats stated above and beyond is possible due to our Gurudevs grace.

 

Best Regards

Chander

 

 

 

Khatri Anand <khatrianand@ >@ s.com

Cc: khatrianand@ hotmail.com; chander_d_in@ ; issp-south@gro ups.com

Friday, 7 November, 2008 12:18:00 PM[issp-south] Re: Please help from Black Magic

 

 

 

 

<<widening the audience for this thread for benefit of people at large

 

Jai Gurudev,

 

As all of you know, Guruji (Nikhileshwarananda ) had ordered me to keep helping people. I do consultation to many on mails, chat whatever way possible. For many, If they have money, I had asked to take the Tantra Raksha Kavach as first line of defence, and continue using our own kavacha (say kali, Hanuman... which ever is their ishta) as second and permanant kavach for individual.

 

>>I would like to understand the validity and the source for your statement...

I liked this !! One should be asking right questions to dig out truth, and ward off side statements and misbeliefs !!

 

No offences to anyone, but the fact is, if you think " Aajeevan Tantra Raksha Kavach " is the ultimate in this world, and no attack can ever reach the person wearing it, then I do not agree with it. As I told earlier, there is no shield in this world which can protect for ever, which can withstand continuse attacks. This also means if one feels he is safe as nothing ever happened to him since he wore some kavacha, if any enemy does continuese attacks, that shield is bound to break some day. I believe you are aware that even Mahavidya Siddha person can also get hit if the attack is done by Krutya. ( So the fact is even Mahavidya can't protect against Krutya attack, forget trivial kavacha). And among 64 krutya also, Sanharini Krutya is ultimate and the strongest of all. There is only one shield which can protect against such (limited not infinite) attacks which is by sadhana of WindhyaVasini Goddess. I am not sure whether one can also make attack after WindhyaVasini siddhi, but surely it can protect you even for Krutya attack!!.

 

Let's not get in too much detail, 99% of us will never face such attacks in our lifetime, as such level Tantriks are very rare, and even our enemies can't reach them, so we are safe !!

 

Most of the general Mantriks do attacks by some shakti like, bhoot, pishach, jin, Mooth / Handi. And even for that attack, its difficult for general person to come out of it.

 

Some hard facts: Any Kavach is a new shield around you, how could that remove the already existing attack? Rightnow I am witnessing a family ( because of privacy concerns, I could not discuss those details in open forum), they are already hit by a severe Tantra attack few years back, and even now the attacks are continued, whole family is hit and they are at a stage that their body has become very very weak, for past 2 years they are unable to take food, they are on liquid diet like an ICU patient !! They could not do any mantra japa etc. All of them had already took Gurudiksha and are wearing Tantra Raksha Kavach, and sorry to say did not had any benefit at all. They have been consulting Gurudham many times, and have met Trimurty Gurudev also. They have been hunting to get some good Tantrik to get rid of this problem. Have consulted many, and many mantriks failed. They come to me, I suggested some remedy and also had also given some Mantrik names, and even that fellow failed !! Today I urge everyone on this forum, if you know any good Mantrik, please reply back with contact details of Mantrik to get this family out of this attack.

 

So the conclusion is, if the Muth /Handi had already hit you, and the whole body is already on its way to grave, Tantra Raksha Kavach is of no use, in fact its too late to use any kavach. The only way is to get rid of that attack first.

 

Let's get little more awareness around, its not that one is always attacked by his enemies. One can get affected by many bad shaktis around. If spiritually one is not strong enough, one is bound to get hit by something or the other. The effect may not be severe, but something like increased dullness of for life, even after doing lot of hardwork not getting enough results. etc can happen. So the analogy is like, life is a long journy, and the journy is through a jungle. Even though you are not attacked by enemies in the jungle, you can always had a pinch of adversaries of jungle. Protecting oneself is always better.

 

>>can tell you from my personal experience of wearing it, it wards off all attacks.

The effect what you are observing is the shield around you to get protection against jungle adversaries. Obeviously wearing clothes and shoes makes you comfortable to walk in jungle. Does that mean you are forever, till lifetime free from enemy attack? As afriend of mine, just making you aware......

 

(I sincerely wish that with grace of Gurudev no one among us have to face severe Tantra attack in your life, believe me it ruins life...... I had seen this with my eyes.....)

 

 

Lastly I like to clarify from my side that I had put some hard facts in this mail. This is no offences to anyone, I perfectly understand the fact that Gurudev(s) are the point of source to look forward to. Plus I want to make people aware that using kavach is like wearing shoes and cloths/jackets. Some protection they can give. Its not a bullet proof jacket. Secondly bullet proof jacket can also break with continuse firing of bullets. May be bunker is the right place. Again strong laser bomb attack can even break bunker.... so the list is endless... it all depends on the shield and attack strength.

 

We all should prey Guru Nikhil, get his blessings, develope shield around of some kavacha. Do sadhanas to remove purva janma dosha etc, so that in our journy of life / the path is such that the adversaries / attacks are less or minimal. That's the intilligent way of making use of life.

 

Jai Gurudev,

Anand

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Chander D <chander_d_in@ >@ s.com

Thursday, 6 November, 2008 10:53:08 AMRe: Please help from Black Magic

 

 

 

Jai Gurudev

 

Anand,

 

I am not sure the basis on which you are saying Aajivan Tantra Raksha kavach removes effect mildly. Do you personally wear one, have you felt the powers yourself?. I can tell you from my personal experience of wearing it, it wards off all attacks. The Aajivan Tantra Raksha kavach prepared in Gurudham is not something thats bought off the shelf, its something that is prepared exclusively for the wearer's benefits and to tackle his specific problems and attacks. Infact its placed in Gurudevs personal pooja place for 3 days before its even given back to the person to wear. Care needs to be ensured that the person if married, removes it before he goes to bed, during a women's period and also not let a dog or any animal from licking it as any of the three stated facts neutralizes the energies within the kavach.

 

Though i second your opinion on performing sadhanas to nullify the effects specifically Kali, Tripura Bhairavi, Bagalamukhi Mahavidya sadhanas. Aajivan kavach are given for people who may not have the necessary resources etc to perform sadhanas such as those and for people who can using the kavach still ensures a line of defence aganist such attacks.

 

I would like to understand the validity and the source for your statement... .kindly enlighten us.

 

Thanks

Chander

 

 

 

Khatri Anand <khatrianand@ >@ s..com

Cc: sspmtyvnew Wednesday, 5 November, 2008 11:57:22 PMRe: Please help from Black Magic

 

 

 

 

 

 

I really want to pull attention of everyone to the fact that

 

Any kavach provides limited shield against Tantra attack. There is no shield which can stop all attacks for ever. If the attacks are continusely done, no shield can withstand !!. One has to take efforts to make his shield stronger and stronger day by day, by using some Tantra kavach ourself, and not only depend on some external readymade kavach.

New Shield by itself can not remove already existing attack. Although usage of Aajeevan Tantra Raksha kavach, may remove mild effects if any.

For removal of any strong Tantra attack, you need to do some sadhana or someone else can do for you, may be some Mantrik / Guruji can help you to get rid from this effect.

Regards,

Anand

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jay <sspmtyvnew >@ s.com

Tuesday, 4 November, 2008 6:10:46 PMRe: Please help from Black Magic

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jay Gurudev,

I have also expereineced black magic in my life

If you wear aajivan tantra raksha kavach,it will protect you

it costs around 11000 rupees,

you can get from delhi gurudham or from jodhpur

 

more infohttp://www.siddhash ram.org/blackmag ic.shtml

 

Jay Gurudev

 

--- On Mon, 11/3/08, Bhushan <bhushankir (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Bhushan <bhushankir (AT) gmail (DOT) com> Please help from Black Magic@ s.com

Monday, November 3, 2008, 7:04 AM

 

 

Jai Gurudev,Dear Gurubhai,Please suggest me some remedy if anyone is trying to perform some black magic on you, coz i am experiencing it.Need your valuable guidance, Its urgent please.

Thanks & Best regards,Bhushan

 

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