'Aim Hreem Shreem Kleem' - Does it make a complete mantra?

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if u do beej mantras with total sharangati total surrender they r themself

siddha mantras.

 

pls read srmad devi bhagwat puran an illitrate guy who

does not know any mantra chanted it and becomes

maharshi.

 

main thing is bhava-intention if intention

is kalyan prapti,then no one can stop

u from attaining salvation.

 

bcoz divine mother herself is salvation,pls read srimad

devi bhagwat purana and also durga saptashati.

 

 

gopal

 

 

On 11/15/08, Sreekumar <nairvps wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Guruji,

 

Would you mind to explain in detail how to unlock mantra with keelakam? please also furnish the different type of nyasas and its importants and where one can find indepth details about mantra rahasyam?

 

Thanks

Sreekumar

On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 2:07 PM, scorpion_1112in <scorpion_1112in wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear brotherI would like to make one little point clear without trying to make things to complicated... Beej mantras come under category of Tantrik mantras (vedic and shabar are still different). They are base for tantrik mantras.

A beej mantra responds to the " Kaarn Deh " Causal body of the deity, hence its the seed of growing their basic power A mool mantra responds to the " Sookshma Deh " Subtle Body of the deity

hence it responds to harnessing an already developed (semi developed you can say) form of the deities power in some way.So you must also understand that use of a Beej Mantra is also totally different.

As for complete Mantra Anushthan for a Mool Mantra, you need atleast these steps and they have following importance and hardwork:1) Mantra Shuddhi (purifying mantra vibration in atmosphere) = 4%2) Utkeelan (unlocking password as by creator of mantra) = 2%

3) Mantra Maitri (gaining friendship/compatibility b/w mantra and own vibration) = 2%4) Shraap Vimochan (removing cruse on mantra is any) = 2%5) Mantra Sanskar = 5%6) Mantra Jagriti = 5%7) *** Purush-charan*** (Jap + Homa + Tarpan + Marjan + Bhoyan) = 70%

8) Mantra Arth (mantra meaning) = 5%9) Others procedure if any = 5%All this starts after Diksha and I have given approximate figures but clearly Purush-charan is the most important and most time consuming,

and daily procedure for purushcharan requires usuage of Viniyog + Nyas + Dhyan + Mudra + Fixed Jap (chanting)... and then 1/10 of jap we do Homa (obligation of mantra with swaha in havan kund), 1/100 Tarpan (on yantra and/or in river/water), 1/1000 Marjan/Abhishek

(sprinkling water on self), 1/10000 of mantra jap is Bhojan (to bhraman or kanya)Lets say you are not doing a complete anushtan, you are doing just some prayog... well in Prayog the procedure is again clearly defined

by the person given that prayog, that means guruji, it can be using a yantra with specific mantra and tantra for 11, 21, 45... any no of fixed days. Pryog is a specialised way, empowered by a guru, works primarily for his disciples. Others have minimum effect (yes this is

the truth, try it)Or you just want the normal benefit from a mantra, even in that caseIt is a well known fact that the bare minimum required for working any tantra/mantra/yantra is the knowledge of its Viniyog which

compromises1) Mantra Name2) Rishi (Creator of Mantra)3) Chaand (pattern of pronouciation)4) Devta (Name of deity)5) Beejam (main seed for power)6) Shakti (u can say main power enhancer)7) Keelak (the unlocking password)

Although after that Nyas(Energizing body ports and finger by - Rishi Nyas + Kar Nyas + Hridyadi Nyas) + Dhyan (deity image to concentrate on Third Eye) + Mudra (Posture to invite and please deity) are also

required before real Mantra Jap... (Real Mantra Jap is useful only if you are gaining Mantra Chetna = knowing+repeating the meaning of mantra, sticking to deity image on third eye with devotion... ie Mantra, Mantra Arth aur Devta ka eki-karn karke dhyan)

Still Even without their knowledge or knowledge of keelak also you can use a mantra provided you have atleast first 6 part of viniyog. (for keelak their is a special way of unlocking, call it a master key like

given in book mantra rahasya or their is one another little longer way also). And their is a way to substitute Nyas and Dhyan also.But for a Beej Mantra... It responds to a the causal body of Deity, its like very basic and

raw form of energy. Procedure is totally different.Now what you are trying to do is... trying to be a rishi of some mantra! In my opinion, this is NOT a very wise thing to do. To be a rishi you will have to know the complete compatibility of all the 50

alphabets " Varn Mala " (all devnagri letters) which has Swars (like aa, ee, oo.. etc, one that dont use tongue) and Vyanjans (like ka, kha, cha.. etc, one that initiate by moulding tongue)There is hidden energy of various deities in various sounds, some

match while some don't... it all depends on the element they correspond to. Like mixing water with air will not be a very good idea... All this is given in somewhat detail in the book mantra rahasya but

to be honest even that is just the beginning... because the shastras says " jisey naad ka poorna gyan ho jata hai use bhram ka gyan ho jata hai " (one who has complete knowledge of sound gets knowledge of

god/supreme/creator). Mordern science says their is no matter, only energy... well indian scholars always knew the same but they considered sound to be the base of shakti (energy) in physical plane (hence its said in Mantra

Rahasya : bhramand Mantra-may hai, universe is made of sound) that changes forms and its has its Maryada (rules). In higher planes the bhav (feeling) and then Arth (meaning) and then Prakash (subtle light, even higher frequency).

A real manta is supposed to combine all these Gunas (qualities) from all planes for the Mantra Sadhak, how to prepare such a mantra is no Childs play!Although all mantrs are said to originate from Shivas Damru but as

for moon mantras, Mantras are given by1) Bhrama (Vedic Mantras)2) Shiva (Tantrik Mantras)3) Rishi (Masters)4) Some times deities themselves have offeredSee, you need to be in level of one of these to actually form a

mantra! And then you will have to device the corresponding yantra (physical tool for corresponding deities astral body) and tantra (system/technique) for using it. I say leave that to masters and god. Better safe than sorry because misuse can burn you... everyone knows

wrong use of Beej Mantras CAN harm.Still if you want to use them, then just do one at time (thats my suggestion)... do minimums like the initial 1) Pavitrikaran (purification sprinlikling water all around, keep

that water next to right knee)2) Aachman (innver purification) + 3) digbandh (sealing direction to protect against evil) + 4) Deepak (hold lamp in lit b/w palms) + 5) Invite dear guru, ganesha and other deities you like with their

short dhyan and or mantra + 6) Guru dhyan + 7) Specific deity dhyan/meditation (whos mantra you use)8) Prathrna (prayer for specific wish, like viniyog) + 9) Jap (chant as much you can do, let it be fixed per day) +

10) Shama Yaachna (Ask for forgiveness for any conscious or unconscious mistake during like karma or during karmkand)11) Offer Prasad and/or the water kept during ritual to TulsiAtleast this much you should do for a beej Mantra. Mind you, beej

Mantra is still easy way for those who cannot do Anusthans or Prayog or even recite Storas and Kavachs. This doesnt take much time to do but it will take time to actually start showing results in life.And two final notes:

1) One very commonly confused point... is it Kreem or Kreeng... Shreem or Shreeng... Aim or Aing... Hreem or Hreeng... and so on, well listen, if you have not taken diksha, (i say this because i have seen and done it, one with kreeng, shreeng, etc have a different

procedure) go for the Mmmm ending one. There is a simple scine, whenever you use Mmmm, sound comes out of nose, it touches bhramrandhra, and ideally this is the best situation for Dhyan and transmitting your vibration to universe/deity. This WILL bring peace

to concentration to you.2) The mantra you are trying to form... " Aim Hreem Shreem Kleem " is obviously very similar to Navaran Mantra " Om Aim Hreem Kleem Chamunda-yayi Vichye " As a wise head, i would recommend Navarna Mantra, as it a very

special and already siddh Mantra in Atmostphere of earth. Also considering your desires... this will cover all. Get a diksha for that, the Tantra (technique) for this is also fairly easy.Aim, Hreem, Kleem has powers (Shaktis = Sarawswati + Lakshmi +

Kli/Parvati) of Bhrahma,Vishnu and Shiva... and actually if you read the Viniyog of the Navaran Mantra, you will realise what i am saying.I hope this cleared most of your doubts and of anyone else who might

have had these.WishingPeace and Prosperity!Gurudevo Maheshwaro Namo Namah!

, " Manish Madhav " <madhav_man

wrote:>> Namaskaar,> > I wish to know if the collection of 4 seeds - 'Aim Hreem Shreem > Kleem' makes a complete mantra to meditate upon?> > Saw the same in some good authentic references as a complete mantra

> in itself for attracting Vak, Maya, Sri and Bliss...> > Also read at many places that adding more to what is desired may only > dilute the mantra, so not keen/ sure to add many things, not even

OM > pranava. Hope the 4 seeds can take care of this also. > > Thought of adding the 'Aim Kleem Sauh' to the end of it, making:> > 'Aim Hreem Shreem Kleem Aim Kleem Sauh' which also sounds nice,

sweet > and easy to chant, creates a vibration, but again the same doubt, am > I diluting something, by just repeating a seed, of which the effect > is already taken in 4 seeds...> > Please guide, please advise.

> > Thanks and Regards> Manish Madhav>

[Guest guest]

I will answer your questions but first things first:

 

" No one here is any guruji... we just share our little experiences

here, or some little knowledge that some gurubhai may have missed

here or there, or we just introduce MTY and guruji to new comers...

and tell them how to go about knowing him and benifiting from him and

his vast knowledge, thats it "

 

From your question, i figure that you dont know the fact that " Mantra

Rahasya " is a book written by " Dr. Narayan Dutt Shrimali " (precise

author name) and published by " Pustak Mahal " , i say you should

consider that book as a sadhaks bare minimum as far as written

material is conerned. I remember it costs only about Rs 80-100, you

should buy it and read...

 

Especially for the keelak, there is one Sarva Mantra Tantra Yantra

utkeelan vidhi given. (this is to be used only in case Mantra is

keelit by its rishi and you dont know its password)

 

The other method is long, it requires writing the viniyog on copper

plate, making 1000x tarpan of mantra practically asking for rishis

permission to use that mantra, so its better you use the first method.

 

About Nyas...

 

Well Nyas literally means establishing... we establish devine energies

at various parts of body, fingers, direction, or even mantra

syllables. It can be of many types, each mantra has its corresponding

Nyas vidhi. It can be like

 

Rishi Nyas

Kar Nyas

Hridhi / Shad Ang Nyas

Varn Nyas

Stithi Nyas

Shrishti Nyas.... so on depending on the mantra.

 

Still the first three are usually bare minimum.

 

For the sake of simplicity, i have added a file named " Mantra 7

Secret " in the files section, please download it.

 

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SRpe7vTmQ3ovnCMnFXdBOC4DmUvmk0oQIUb8bYJaweGAY2yf1zqeddplHt46Pk/Mantra%

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Rishi Nyas is done by touching tips of 5 finger of right hand on

(while chanting)

 

Third Eye (fore head) for Rishi Name (rishaye namah shirsi)

Mouth/throat for Chhand (chand namah mukhe)

Heart for Devta (devta namah hridi)

Genital for Beej (bejam namah ghooye/linge)

Feet for Shakti (shaktye nmah paadyo)

Navel for Keelakam (kelkay namah naabhau)

All part at once (.... viniyogay namah sarvaange)

 

Kar Nyas is done by (with chanting of beej mantra roop, example of

Shreem beej in bracket)

 

First joining thumb to index finger ( shraam angushtabhyam namah)

Indx finger to thumb ( shreem tarjanibhyam namah)

Thumb to middle dinger ( shroom madhyama bhyam namah)

to ring finger ( shraim anamikabhyam namah)

to little finger( shraum kanishkabyam namah)

Finally joining base of both fists and pranam ( sh-rah kartal-

karprishtabhyam namah)

 

Hridyi-adi/Shad Ang Nyas is done by using right hand to touch

 

Base of first to Heart (shraam hridyay namah)

Five finger tips to Forehead (shreem Shisay swaha)

Thumb to braide base (Shroom shkikayayi vasht)

Both palm on opposite shoulder(shraim kavachay hoom)

Both hand Fisrt to fingers on Eyes (shraum Netra taray Vausht)

Left palm straight, rotate right hand over head with first two

fingers straight and other bend (shrah astray phat)

 

Snap on all side, saying " Iti Digbandh "

 

Then the dhyan mantra (concentrating on deity image as written in

mantra on third eye) and then Mudra before jap(please dont ask this,

its a an important part just know that because finve finger mean 5

elements, you should create right element energies to invoke deity)

 

 

Purpose of Nyas

 

Well Nyas gives support (sanidhya) of devine masters and energies to

ensure your success. It establishes vital energies in vital body

parts enhancing your chance of becoming Mantra chetanya.

 

I agree with gopal on the fact that mantra bhavana is very imporant,

but that does not mean one should ignore other procedures if they are

known... if you read carefully my last post, i clearly wrote

 

At the end of the day, Mantra Chetna is the main thing... all these

Nyas, mudra dhyan etc are also meant to help sadhak become truly

mantra chetanya, one with vibration... i/e feeling, image and

surrender. Anf if you dont succeed once (no ones does in one go),

keep trying... " Persistence overcome all known obstacles to mankind! "

 

Mantra, Mantra Arth aur Devta ka eki-karn karke dhyan

 

 

And one more thing, someone asked for which Mala to use, well for Aim

Hreem Shreem and Kleem, the best bet is Safetik Mala (pure quartz

crytal)

 

I hope that solves the things.

 

Peace and Properity!

Himanshu

 

Gurudevo Maheshwaro Namo Namah

 

 

 

, Sreekumar <nairvps wrote:

>

> Dear Guruji,

>

> Would you mind to explain in detail how to unlock mantra with

keelakam?

> please also furnish the different type of nyasas and its importants

and

> where one can find indepth details about mantra rahasyam?

>

> Thanks

> Sreekumar

> On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 2:07 PM, scorpion_1112in

> <scorpion_1112inwrote:

>

> >

> > Dear brother

> >

> > I would like to make one little point clear without trying to make

> > things to complicated...

> >

> > Beej mantras come under category of Tantrik mantras (vedic and

shabar

> > are still different). They are base for tantrik mantras.

> >

> > A beej mantra responds to the " Kaarn Deh " Causal body of the

deity,

> > hence its the seed of growing their basic power

> >

> > A mool mantra responds to the " Sookshma Deh " Subtle Body of the

deity

> > hence it responds to harnessing an already developed (semi

developed

> > you can say) form of the deities power in some way.

> >

> > So you must also understand that use of a Beej Mantra is also

totally

> > different.

> >

> > As for complete Mantra Anushthan for a Mool Mantra, you need

atleast

> > these steps and they have following importance and hardwork:

> >

> > 1) Mantra Shuddhi (purifying mantra vibration in atmosphere) = 4%

> > 2) Utkeelan (unlocking password as by creator of mantra) = 2%

> > 3) Mantra Maitri (gaining friendship/compatibility b/w mantra and

own

> > vibration) = 2%

> > 4) Shraap Vimochan (removing cruse on mantra is any) = 2%

> > 5) Mantra Sanskar = 5%

> > 6) Mantra Jagriti = 5%

> > 7) *** Purush-charan*** (Jap + Homa + Tarpan + Marjan + Bhoyan) =

70%

> > 8) Mantra Arth (mantra meaning) = 5%

> > 9) Others procedure if any = 5%

> >

> > All this starts after Diksha and I have given approximate figures

but

> > clearly Purush-charan is the most important and most time

consuming,

> > and daily procedure for purushcharan requires usuage of Viniyog +

> > Nyas + Dhyan + Mudra + Fixed Jap (chanting)... and then 1/10 of

jap

> > we do Homa (obligation of mantra with swaha in havan kund), 1/100

> > Tarpan (on yantra and/or in river/water), 1/1000 Marjan/Abhishek

> > (sprinkling water on self), 1/10000 of mantra jap is Bhojan (to

> > bhraman or kanya)

> >

> > Lets say you are not doing a complete anushtan, you are doing just

> > some prayog... well in Prayog the procedure is again clearly

defined

> > by the person given that prayog, that means guruji, it can be

using a

> > yantra with specific mantra and tantra for 11, 21, 45... any no of

> > fixed days. Pryog is a specialised way, empowered by a guru, works

> > primarily for his disciples. Others have minimum effect (yes this

is

> > the truth, try it)

> >

> > Or you just want the normal benefit from a mantra, even in that

case

> >

> > It is a well known fact that the bare minimum required for working

> > any tantra/mantra/yantra is the knowledge of its Viniyog which

> > compromises

> >

> > 1) Mantra Name

> > 2) Rishi (Creator of Mantra)

> > 3) Chaand (pattern of pronouciation)

> > 4) Devta (Name of deity)

> > 5) Beejam (main seed for power)

> > 6) Shakti (u can say main power enhancer)

> > 7) Keelak (the unlocking password)

> >

> > Although after that Nyas(Energizing body ports and finger by -

Rishi

> > Nyas + Kar Nyas + Hridyadi Nyas) + Dhyan (deity image to

concentrate

> > on Third Eye) + Mudra (Posture to invite and please deity) are

also

> > required before real Mantra Jap... (Real Mantra Jap is useful

only if

> > you are gaining Mantra Chetna = knowing+repeating the meaning of

> > mantra, sticking to deity image on third eye with devotion... ie

> > Mantra, Mantra Arth aur Devta ka eki-karn karke dhyan)

> >

> > Still

> > Even without their knowledge or knowledge of keelak also you can

use

> > a mantra provided you have atleast first 6 part of viniyog. (for

> > keelak their is a special way of unlocking, call it a master key

like

> > given in book mantra rahasya or their is one another little longer

> > way also). And their is a way to substitute Nyas and Dhyan also.

> >

> > But for a Beej Mantra...

> > It responds to a the causal body of Deity, its like very basic and

> > raw form of energy. Procedure is totally different.

> >

> > Now what you are trying to do is... trying to be a rishi of some

> > mantra! In my opinion, this is NOT a very wise thing to do. To be

a

> > rishi you will have to know the complete compatibility of all the

50

> > alphabets " Varn Mala " (all devnagri letters) which has Swars (like

> > aa, ee, oo.. etc, one that dont use tongue) and Vyanjans (like ka,

> > kha, cha.. etc, one that initiate by moulding tongue)

> >

> > There is hidden energy of various deities in various sounds, some

> > match while some don't... it all depends on the element they

> > correspond to. Like mixing water with air will not be a very good

> > idea...

> >

> > All this is given in somewhat detail in the book mantra rahasya

but

> > to be honest even that is just the beginning... because the

shastras

> > says " jisey naad ka poorna gyan ho jata hai use bhram ka gyan ho

jata

> > hai " (one who has complete knowledge of sound gets knowledge of

> > god/supreme/creator).

> >

> > Mordern science says their is no matter, only energy... well

indian

> > scholars always knew the same but they considered sound to be the

> > base of shakti (energy) in physical plane (hence its said in

Mantra

> > Rahasya : bhramand Mantra-may hai, universe is made of sound) that

> > changes forms and its has its Maryada (rules). In higher planes

the

> > bhav (feeling) and then Arth (meaning) and then Prakash (subtle

> > light, even higher frequency).

> >

> > A real manta is supposed to combine all these Gunas (qualities)

from

> > all planes for the Mantra Sadhak, how to prepare such a mantra is

no

> > Childs play!

> >

> > Although all mantrs are said to originate from Shivas Damru but as

> > for moon mantras, Mantras are given by

> > 1) Bhrama (Vedic Mantras)

> > 2) Shiva (Tantrik Mantras)

> > 3) Rishi (Masters)

> > 4) Some times deities themselves have offered

> >

> > See, you need to be in level of one of these to actually form a

> > mantra! And then you will have to device the corresponding yantra

> > (physical tool for corresponding deities astral body) and tantra

> > (system/technique) for using it. I say leave that to masters and

god.

> > Better safe than sorry because misuse can burn you... everyone

knows

> > wrong use of Beej Mantras CAN harm.

> >

> > Still if you want to use them, then just do one at time (thats my

> > suggestion)... do minimums like the initial

> >

> > 1) Pavitrikaran (purification sprinlikling water all around, keep

> > that water next to right knee)

> > 2) Aachman (innver purification) +

> > 3) digbandh (sealing direction to protect against evil) +

> > 4) Deepak (hold lamp in lit b/w palms) +

> > 5) Invite dear guru, ganesha and other deities you like with their

> > short dhyan and or mantra +

> > 6) Guru dhyan +

> > 7) Specific deity dhyan/meditation (whos mantra you use)

> > 8) Prathrna (prayer for specific wish, like viniyog) +

> > 9) Jap (chant as much you can do, let it be fixed per day) +

> > 10) Shama Yaachna (Ask for forgiveness for any conscious or

> > unconscious mistake during like karma or during karmkand)

> > 11) Offer Prasad and/or the water kept during ritual to Tulsi

> >

> > Atleast this much you should do for a beej Mantra. Mind you, beej

> > Mantra is still easy way for those who cannot do Anusthans or

Prayog

> > or even recite Storas and Kavachs. This doesnt take much time to

do

> > but it will take time to actually start showing results in life.

> >

> > And two final notes:

> >

> > 1) One very commonly confused point... is it Kreem or Kreeng...

> > Shreem or Shreeng... Aim or Aing... Hreem or Hreeng... and so on,

> > well listen, if you have not taken diksha, (i say this because i

have

> > seen and done it, one with kreeng, shreeng, etc have a different

> > procedure) go for the Mmmm ending one. There is a simple scine,

> > whenever you use Mmmm, sound comes out of nose, it touches

> > bhramrandhra, and ideally this is the best situation for Dhyan and

> > transmitting your vibration to universe/deity. This WILL bring

peace

> > to concentration to you.

> >

> > 2) The mantra you are trying to form... " Aim Hreem Shreem Kleem "

is

> > obviously very similar to Navaran Mantra

> > " Om Aim Hreem Kleem Chamunda-yayi Vichye "

> >

> > As a wise head, i would recommend Navarna Mantra, as it a very

> > special and already siddh Mantra in Atmostphere of earth. Also

> > considering your desires... this will cover all. Get a diksha for

> > that, the Tantra (technique) for this is also fairly easy.

> >

> > Aim, Hreem, Kleem has powers (Shaktis = Sarawswati + Lakshmi +

> > Kli/Parvati) of Bhrahma,Vishnu and Shiva... and actually if you

read

> > the Viniyog of the Navaran Mantra, you will realise what i am

saying.

> >

> > I hope this cleared most of your doubts and of anyone else who

might

> > have had these.

> >

> > Wishing

> > Peace and Prosperity!

> >

> > Gurudevo Maheshwaro Namo Namah!

> >

> > <%

40>, " Manish

> > Madhav " <madhav_man@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaskaar,

> > >

> > > I wish to know if the collection of 4 seeds - 'Aim Hreem Shreem

> > > Kleem' makes a complete mantra to meditate upon?

> > >

> > > Saw the same in some good authentic references as a complete

mantra

> > > in itself for attracting Vak, Maya, Sri and Bliss...

> > >

> > > Also read at many places that adding more to what is desired may

> > only

> > > dilute the mantra, so not keen/ sure to add many things, not

even

> > OM

> > > pranava. Hope the 4 seeds can take care of this also.

> > >

> > > Thought of adding the 'Aim Kleem Sauh' to the end of it, making:

> > >

> > > 'Aim Hreem Shreem Kleem Aim Kleem Sauh' which also sounds nice,

> > sweet

> > > and easy to chant, creates a vibration, but again the same

doubt,

> > am

> > > I diluting something, by just repeating a seed, of which the

effect

> > > is already taken in 4 seeds...

> > >

> > > Please guide, please advise.

> > >

> > > Thanks and Regards

> > > Manish Madhav

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Himanshu,

 

The Mantra 'Aim Hrim Srim Klim' is all composed of seeds. Are the

seeds also in need of unlock, or the 'utkeelan'?

 

I always understood that seeds, being all potent, does not even need

formal diksha, and a novice is qualified to practice it... of course

it is debatable, but ... is the unlocking really needed for this

mantra?

 

Regards

Manish Madhav

 

 

, " scorpion_1112in "

<scorpion_1112in wrote:

>

>

> I will answer your questions but first things first:

>

> " No one here is any guruji... we just share our little experiences

> here, or some little knowledge that some gurubhai may have missed

> here or there, or we just introduce MTY and guruji to new

comers...

> and tell them how to go about knowing him and benifiting from him

and

> his vast knowledge, thats it "

>

> From your question, i figure that you dont know the fact

that " Mantra

> Rahasya " is a book written by " Dr. Narayan Dutt Shrimali " (precise

> author name) and published by " Pustak Mahal " , i say you should

> consider that book as a sadhaks bare minimum as far as written

> material is conerned. I remember it costs only about Rs 80-100,

you

> should buy it and read...

>

> Especially for the keelak, there is one Sarva Mantra Tantra Yantra

> utkeelan vidhi given. (this is to be used only in case Mantra is

> keelit by its rishi and you dont know its password)

>

> The other method is long, it requires writing the viniyog on

copper

> plate, making 1000x tarpan of mantra practically asking for rishis

> permission to use that mantra, so its better you use the first

method.

>

> About Nyas...

>

> Well Nyas literally means establishing... we establish devine

energies

> at various parts of body, fingers, direction, or even mantra

> syllables. It can be of many types, each mantra has its

corresponding

> Nyas vidhi. It can be like

>

> Rishi Nyas

> Kar Nyas

> Hridhi / Shad Ang Nyas

> Varn Nyas

> Stithi Nyas

> Shrishti Nyas.... so on depending on the mantra.

>

> Still the first three are usually bare minimum.

>

> For the sake of simplicity, i have added a file named " Mantra 7

> Secret " in the files section, please download it.

>

>

http://f1.grp.fs.com/v1/0A0kSfmtdxpAS9HDdlUiyLchfweUGwAT8SobFqcy

q

>

SRpe7vTmQ3ovnCMnFXdBOC4DmUvmk0oQIUb8bYJaweGAY2yf1zqeddplHt46Pk/Mantra

%

> 207%20Secret.jpg

>

> Rishi Nyas is done by touching tips of 5 finger of right hand on

> (while chanting)

>

> Third Eye (fore head) for Rishi Name (rishaye namah shirsi)

> Mouth/throat for Chhand (chand namah mukhe)

> Heart for Devta (devta namah hridi)

> Genital for Beej (bejam namah ghooye/linge)

> Feet for Shakti (shaktye nmah paadyo)

> Navel for Keelakam (kelkay namah naabhau)

> All part at once (.... viniyogay namah sarvaange)

>

> Kar Nyas is done by (with chanting of beej mantra roop, example of

> Shreem beej in bracket)

>

> First joining thumb to index finger ( shraam angushtabhyam namah)

> Indx finger to thumb ( shreem tarjanibhyam namah)

> Thumb to middle dinger ( shroom madhyama bhyam namah)

> to ring finger ( shraim anamikabhyam namah)

> to little finger( shraum kanishkabyam namah)

> Finally joining base of both fists and pranam ( sh-rah kartal-

> karprishtabhyam namah)

>

> Hridyi-adi/Shad Ang Nyas is done by using right hand to touch

>

> Base of first to Heart (shraam hridyay namah)

> Five finger tips to Forehead (shreem Shisay swaha)

> Thumb to braide base (Shroom shkikayayi vasht)

> Both palm on opposite shoulder(shraim kavachay hoom)

> Both hand Fisrt to fingers on Eyes (shraum Netra taray Vausht)

> Left palm straight, rotate right hand over head with first two

> fingers straight and other bend (shrah astray phat)

>

> Snap on all side, saying " Iti Digbandh "

>

> Then the dhyan mantra (concentrating on deity image as written in

> mantra on third eye) and then Mudra before jap(please dont ask

this,

> its a an important part just know that because finve finger mean 5

> elements, you should create right element energies to invoke deity)

>

>

> Purpose of Nyas

>

> Well Nyas gives support (sanidhya) of devine masters and energies

to

> ensure your success. It establishes vital energies in vital body

> parts enhancing your chance of becoming Mantra chetanya.

>

> I agree with gopal on the fact that mantra bhavana is very

imporant,

> but that does not mean one should ignore other procedures if they

are

> known... if you read carefully my last post, i clearly wrote

>

> At the end of the day, Mantra Chetna is the main thing... all

these

> Nyas, mudra dhyan etc are also meant to help sadhak become truly

> mantra chetanya, one with vibration... i/e feeling, image and

> surrender. Anf if you dont succeed once (no ones does in one go),

> keep trying... " Persistence overcome all known obstacles to

mankind! "

>

> Mantra, Mantra Arth aur Devta ka eki-karn karke dhyan

>

>

> And one more thing, someone asked for which Mala to use, well for

Aim

> Hreem Shreem and Kleem, the best bet is Safetik Mala (pure quartz

> crytal)

>

> I hope that solves the things.

>

> Peace and Properity!

> Himanshu

>

> Gurudevo Maheshwaro Namo Namah

>

>

>

> , Sreekumar <nairvps@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Guruji,

> >

> > Would you mind to explain in detail how to unlock mantra with

> keelakam?

> > please also furnish the different type of nyasas and its

importants

> and

> > where one can find indepth details about mantra rahasyam?

> >

> > Thanks

> > Sreekumar

> > On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 2:07 PM, scorpion_1112in

> > <scorpion_1112in@>wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > Dear brother

> > >

> > > I would like to make one little point clear without trying to

make

> > > things to complicated...

> > >

> > > Beej mantras come under category of Tantrik mantras (vedic and

> shabar

> > > are still different). They are base for tantrik mantras.

> > >

> > > A beej mantra responds to the " Kaarn Deh " Causal body of the

> deity,

> > > hence its the seed of growing their basic power

> > >

> > > A mool mantra responds to the " Sookshma Deh " Subtle Body of

the

> deity

> > > hence it responds to harnessing an already developed (semi

> developed

> > > you can say) form of the deities power in some way.

> > >

> > > So you must also understand that use of a Beej Mantra is also

> totally

> > > different.

> > >

> > > As for complete Mantra Anushthan for a Mool Mantra, you need

> atleast

> > > these steps and they have following importance and hardwork:

> > >

> > > 1) Mantra Shuddhi (purifying mantra vibration in atmosphere) =

4%

> > > 2) Utkeelan (unlocking password as by creator of mantra) = 2%

> > > 3) Mantra Maitri (gaining friendship/compatibility b/w mantra

and

> own

> > > vibration) = 2%

> > > 4) Shraap Vimochan (removing cruse on mantra is any) = 2%

> > > 5) Mantra Sanskar = 5%

> > > 6) Mantra Jagriti = 5%

> > > 7) *** Purush-charan*** (Jap + Homa + Tarpan + Marjan +

Bhoyan) =

> 70%

> > > 8) Mantra Arth (mantra meaning) = 5%

> > > 9) Others procedure if any = 5%

> > >

> > > All this starts after Diksha and I have given approximate

figures

> but

> > > clearly Purush-charan is the most important and most time

> consuming,

> > > and daily procedure for purushcharan requires usuage of

Viniyog +

> > > Nyas + Dhyan + Mudra + Fixed Jap (chanting)... and then 1/10

of

> jap

> > > we do Homa (obligation of mantra with swaha in havan kund),

1/100

> > > Tarpan (on yantra and/or in river/water), 1/1000

Marjan/Abhishek

> > > (sprinkling water on self), 1/10000 of mantra jap is Bhojan (to

> > > bhraman or kanya)

> > >

> > > Lets say you are not doing a complete anushtan, you are doing

just

> > > some prayog... well in Prayog the procedure is again clearly

> defined

> > > by the person given that prayog, that means guruji, it can be

> using a

> > > yantra with specific mantra and tantra for 11, 21, 45... any

no of

> > > fixed days. Pryog is a specialised way, empowered by a guru,

works

> > > primarily for his disciples. Others have minimum effect (yes

this

> is

> > > the truth, try it)

> > >

> > > Or you just want the normal benefit from a mantra, even in

that

> case

> > >

> > > It is a well known fact that the bare minimum required for

working

> > > any tantra/mantra/yantra is the knowledge of its Viniyog which

> > > compromises

> > >

> > > 1) Mantra Name

> > > 2) Rishi (Creator of Mantra)

> > > 3) Chaand (pattern of pronouciation)

> > > 4) Devta (Name of deity)

> > > 5) Beejam (main seed for power)

> > > 6) Shakti (u can say main power enhancer)

> > > 7) Keelak (the unlocking password)

> > >

> > > Although after that Nyas(Energizing body ports and finger by -

> Rishi

> > > Nyas + Kar Nyas + Hridyadi Nyas) + Dhyan (deity image to

> concentrate

> > > on Third Eye) + Mudra (Posture to invite and please deity) are

> also

> > > required before real Mantra Jap... (Real Mantra Jap is useful

> only if

> > > you are gaining Mantra Chetna = knowing+repeating the meaning

of

> > > mantra, sticking to deity image on third eye with devotion...

ie

> > > Mantra, Mantra Arth aur Devta ka eki-karn karke dhyan)

> > >

> > > Still

> > > Even without their knowledge or knowledge of keelak also you

can

> use

> > > a mantra provided you have atleast first 6 part of viniyog.

(for

> > > keelak their is a special way of unlocking, call it a master

key

> like

> > > given in book mantra rahasya or their is one another little

longer

> > > way also). And their is a way to substitute Nyas and Dhyan

also.

> > >

> > > But for a Beej Mantra...

> > > It responds to a the causal body of Deity, its like very basic

and

> > > raw form of energy. Procedure is totally different.

> > >

> > > Now what you are trying to do is... trying to be a rishi of

some

> > > mantra! In my opinion, this is NOT a very wise thing to do. To

be

> a

> > > rishi you will have to know the complete compatibility of all

the

> 50

> > > alphabets " Varn Mala " (all devnagri letters) which has Swars

(like

> > > aa, ee, oo.. etc, one that dont use tongue) and Vyanjans (like

ka,

> > > kha, cha.. etc, one that initiate by moulding tongue)

> > >

> > > There is hidden energy of various deities in various sounds,

some

> > > match while some don't... it all depends on the element they

> > > correspond to. Like mixing water with air will not be a very

good

> > > idea...

> > >

> > > All this is given in somewhat detail in the book mantra

rahasya

> but

> > > to be honest even that is just the beginning... because the

> shastras

> > > says " jisey naad ka poorna gyan ho jata hai use bhram ka gyan

ho

> jata

> > > hai " (one who has complete knowledge of sound gets knowledge of

> > > god/supreme/creator).

> > >

> > > Mordern science says their is no matter, only energy... well

> indian

> > > scholars always knew the same but they considered sound to be

the

> > > base of shakti (energy) in physical plane (hence its said in

> Mantra

> > > Rahasya : bhramand Mantra-may hai, universe is made of sound)

that

> > > changes forms and its has its Maryada (rules). In higher

planes

> the

> > > bhav (feeling) and then Arth (meaning) and then Prakash (subtle

> > > light, even higher frequency).

> > >

> > > A real manta is supposed to combine all these Gunas

(qualities)

> from

> > > all planes for the Mantra Sadhak, how to prepare such a mantra

is

> no

> > > Childs play!

> > >

> > > Although all mantrs are said to originate from Shivas Damru

but as

> > > for moon mantras, Mantras are given by

> > > 1) Bhrama (Vedic Mantras)

> > > 2) Shiva (Tantrik Mantras)

> > > 3) Rishi (Masters)

> > > 4) Some times deities themselves have offered

> > >

> > > See, you need to be in level of one of these to actually form a

> > > mantra! And then you will have to device the corresponding

yantra

> > > (physical tool for corresponding deities astral body) and

tantra

> > > (system/technique) for using it. I say leave that to masters

and

> god.

> > > Better safe than sorry because misuse can burn you... everyone

> knows

> > > wrong use of Beej Mantras CAN harm.

> > >

> > > Still if you want to use them, then just do one at time (thats

my

> > > suggestion)... do minimums like the initial

> > >

> > > 1) Pavitrikaran (purification sprinlikling water all around,

keep

> > > that water next to right knee)

> > > 2) Aachman (innver purification) +

> > > 3) digbandh (sealing direction to protect against evil) +

> > > 4) Deepak (hold lamp in lit b/w palms) +

> > > 5) Invite dear guru, ganesha and other deities you like with

their

> > > short dhyan and or mantra +

> > > 6) Guru dhyan +

> > > 7) Specific deity dhyan/meditation (whos mantra you use)

> > > 8) Prathrna (prayer for specific wish, like viniyog) +

> > > 9) Jap (chant as much you can do, let it be fixed per day) +

> > > 10) Shama Yaachna (Ask for forgiveness for any conscious or

> > > unconscious mistake during like karma or during karmkand)

> > > 11) Offer Prasad and/or the water kept during ritual to Tulsi

> > >

> > > Atleast this much you should do for a beej Mantra. Mind you,

beej

> > > Mantra is still easy way for those who cannot do Anusthans or

> Prayog

> > > or even recite Storas and Kavachs. This doesnt take much time

to

> do

> > > but it will take time to actually start showing results in

life.

> > >

> > > And two final notes:

> > >

> > > 1) One very commonly confused point... is it Kreem or Kreeng...

> > > Shreem or Shreeng... Aim or Aing... Hreem or Hreeng... and so

on,

> > > well listen, if you have not taken diksha, (i say this because

i

> have

> > > seen and done it, one with kreeng, shreeng, etc have a

different

> > > procedure) go for the Mmmm ending one. There is a simple scine,

> > > whenever you use Mmmm, sound comes out of nose, it touches

> > > bhramrandhra, and ideally this is the best situation for Dhyan

and

> > > transmitting your vibration to universe/deity. This WILL bring

> peace

> > > to concentration to you.

> > >

> > > 2) The mantra you are trying to form... " Aim Hreem Shreem

Kleem "

> is

> > > obviously very similar to Navaran Mantra

> > > " Om Aim Hreem Kleem Chamunda-yayi Vichye "

> > >

> > > As a wise head, i would recommend Navarna Mantra, as it a very

> > > special and already siddh Mantra in Atmostphere of earth. Also

> > > considering your desires... this will cover all. Get a diksha

for

> > > that, the Tantra (technique) for this is also fairly easy.

> > >

> > > Aim, Hreem, Kleem has powers (Shaktis = Sarawswati + Lakshmi +

> > > Kli/Parvati) of Bhrahma,Vishnu and Shiva... and actually if

you

> read

> > > the Viniyog of the Navaran Mantra, you will realise what i am

> saying.

> > >

> > > I hope this cleared most of your doubts and of anyone else who

> might

> > > have had these.

> > >

> > > Wishing

> > > Peace and Prosperity!

> > >

> > > Gurudevo Maheshwaro Namo Namah!

> > >

> > > <%

> 40>, " Manish

> > > Madhav " <madhav_man@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Namaskaar,

> > > >

> > > > I wish to know if the collection of 4 seeds - 'Aim Hreem

Shreem

> > > > Kleem' makes a complete mantra to meditate upon?

> > > >

> > > > Saw the same in some good authentic references as a complete

> mantra

> > > > in itself for attracting Vak, Maya, Sri and Bliss...

> > > >

> > > > Also read at many places that adding more to what is desired

may

> > > only

> > > > dilute the mantra, so not keen/ sure to add many things, not

> even

> > > OM

> > > > pranava. Hope the 4 seeds can take care of this also.

> > > >

> > > > Thought of adding the 'Aim Kleem Sauh' to the end of it,

making:

> > > >

> > > > 'Aim Hreem Shreem Kleem Aim Kleem Sauh' which also sounds

nice,

> > > sweet

> > > > and easy to chant, creates a vibration, but again the same

> doubt,

> > > am

> > > > I diluting something, by just repeating a seed, of which the

> effect

> > > > is already taken in 4 seeds...

> > > >

> > > > Please guide, please advise.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > Manish Madhav

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Manish

 

First let me say, there are various schools of thoughts and tantras

which profess there own ways... there are many ways to do even the

same sadhnas, and each works... so don't be confused.

 

For example:

 

As per vedic system, Gayatri mantra being a part of veda, is a swayam

siddh mantra, one does not need any nyas or mudra or yantra or

special sanskar on it, no utkeelan is required and even shrap

vimochan (curse removal) is done by just memorizing Brahma,

Vishwamitra, Vashishth and Varun... according to vedic system there

is no poorva or paschat anga (pre or post procedure) also.

 

But you can do it as per Tantrik Paddhati (system), and then even

daily gayatri is fixed

 

Then it has a fixed time (best being when rising sun at horizon)

Fixed ahvahan procedure

A fixed procedure for Shrap Vimochan

A special Yantra

24 Mudra before Mantra jap

Fixed Viniyog

Fixed Nyas

A fixed dhyan mantra (there is a specific image of Ved Mata Gayatri)

Then 8 Mudra after Mantra Jap

Pradakshina and Shama Prathna (this is similar to what you use in

havan)

Arpan and Visarjan

 

 

Tantrik worship means " Systematic " , " Precise Technique " , hence it's

more powerful. It gives you more chance of being physically,

emotionally and intellectually total in ritual, it's designed in such

a way. Totality is the most important thing.

 

 

Beej Mantras are essentially used in Tantrik Rituals

 

 

In my knowledge, yes beej mantras have fixed rituals as well.

 

They have a mantra creator (Rishi)

They have a hidden meaning (Mantra Arth)

They are attributed to a Specific Deity (Devta)

They have even more subtle beej, shakti and keelak.

 

 

And a person does require a diksha if he really wants to go to

extreme limit of it... or in other words, more familiar to you for

beej mantras, " If you really want to grow the seed into complete tree

with all fruits, then you do need support of master " .

 

I hope now you can understand if its even appropriate to say need of

diksha is debatable or not... please never under estimate guru kripa

and depth of knowledge in anything,

 

I say it's only those people who could not get true knowledge but

benefited a little from mantra spread such words; a true mantrik

knows what's required where and how to make it work, totally.

 

Like I was told to just practice kali beej alone at first, it had its

own fixed procedure (yantra, nas, dhyan etc)... and ofcourse

utkeelan. Full kali sadhna has different charan dikshas, first was/is

beej alone.

 

And now moving on to your mantra...

 

" Aim Hreem Shreem Kleem "

 

Actually I should be asking that question to you, " what is the

utkeelan vidhi of that mantra " , I say that because you are rishi of

this mantra... I have not read it anywhere. And I am not rishi enough

to examine the powers of this mantra, so I always play safe in going

for tried and tested mantras or given by guru.

 

I suggested you go for Navaran Mantra, but you are being adamant

about your way...

 

Still

 

You can try

 

" Hreem " (1st Charan of Full Bhuvneshwari Sadhna, it has its complete

viniyog and procedures which includes utkeelan)

 

or

 

" Aim Hreem Shreem "

 

(this is also for Bhuveneshwari Sadhna, the viniyog and utkeelan like

one above)

 

Or

 

" Aim Shreem Hreem Kleem "

 

(Note: this is not Aim Hreem Shreem Kleem... this is Aim Shreem

Hreem Kleem... I have never tried this one but I remember hearing a

mantra like this before so I had to find it in Mantra Rahasya... I

keep it no secret, you can find it there... its called " Chatur Akshar

Lakshmi Mantra " , its viniyog and dhyan you can find there)

 

 

 

Please I am not giving you any specific knowledge about precise

procedure of that mantra ( " Aim Shreem Hreem Kleem " )

 

Because I am not a guru… I cannot give a diksha. Its in your best

interest to get diksha from Gurudev. Its like even if I tell you the

exact procedure, it will not give you absolute results. But still I

am opening your mind to more depths of knowledge… atleast your old

misguidance of believing things like " there is no need for diksha or

utkeelan of beej mantra " , this will be removed.

 

I am just pointing you towards something and telling there are great

milestone beyond what you are seeing right know (from your level of

knowledge at present)

 

At the end I will again say, no matter which mantra you use, main

thing is being " Mantra Chetanya " , and if you can't do that I don't

believe you will benefit too much from it.

 

Mantra Chetnya = Mantra (vibration), Manta Arth aur Dev ka Mantrik

meing eki karan " (become one with the mantra physical vibration,

meaning and deity image on third eye)

 

And for those who are really serious about Tantras and Mantras

(ofcourse even beej mantras), wanting to do it to the core, diksha

and procedures are a must.

 

 

Regards

Himanshu

 

 

 

, " Manish Madhav " <madhav_man

wrote:

>

>

> Dear Himanshu,

>

> The Mantra 'Aim Hrim Srim Klim' is all composed of seeds. Are the

> seeds also in need of unlock, or the 'utkeelan'?

>

> I always understood that seeds, being all potent, does not even

need

> formal diksha, and a novice is qualified to practice it... of

course

> it is debatable, but ... is the unlocking really needed for this

> mantra?

>

> Regards

> Manish Madhav

>

>

> , " scorpion_1112in "

> <scorpion_1112in@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > I will answer your questions but first things first:

> >

> > " No one here is any guruji... we just share our little

experiences

> > here, or some little knowledge that some gurubhai may have missed

> > here or there, or we just introduce MTY and guruji to new

> comers...

> > and tell them how to go about knowing him and benifiting from him

> and

> > his vast knowledge, thats it "

> >

> > From your question, i figure that you dont know the fact

> that " Mantra

> > Rahasya " is a book written by " Dr. Narayan Dutt Shrimali "

(precise

> > author name) and published by " Pustak Mahal " , i say you should

> > consider that book as a sadhaks bare minimum as far as written

> > material is conerned. I remember it costs only about Rs 80-100,

> you

> > should buy it and read...

> >

> > Especially for the keelak, there is one Sarva Mantra Tantra

Yantra

> > utkeelan vidhi given. (this is to be used only in case Mantra is

> > keelit by its rishi and you dont know its password)

> >

> > The other method is long, it requires writing the viniyog on

> copper

> > plate, making 1000x tarpan of mantra practically asking for

rishis

> > permission to use that mantra, so its better you use the first

> method.

> >

> > About Nyas...

> >

> > Well Nyas literally means establishing... we establish devine

> energies

> > at various parts of body, fingers, direction, or even mantra

> > syllables. It can be of many types, each mantra has its

> corresponding

> > Nyas vidhi. It can be like

> >

> > Rishi Nyas

> > Kar Nyas

> > Hridhi / Shad Ang Nyas

> > Varn Nyas

> > Stithi Nyas

> > Shrishti Nyas.... so on depending on the mantra.

> >

> > Still the first three are usually bare minimum.

> >

> > For the sake of simplicity, i have added a file named " Mantra 7

> > Secret " in the files section, please download it.

> >

> >

>

http://f1.grp.fs.com/v1/0A0kSfmtdxpAS9HDdlUiyLchfweUGwAT8SobFqcy

> q

> >

>

SRpe7vTmQ3ovnCMnFXdBOC4DmUvmk0oQIUb8bYJaweGAY2yf1zqeddplHt46Pk/Mantra

> %

> > 207%20Secret.jpg

> >

> > Rishi Nyas is done by touching tips of 5 finger of right hand on

> > (while chanting)

> >

> > Third Eye (fore head) for Rishi Name (rishaye namah shirsi)

> > Mouth/throat for Chhand (chand namah mukhe)

> > Heart for Devta (devta namah hridi)

> > Genital for Beej (bejam namah ghooye/linge)

> > Feet for Shakti (shaktye nmah paadyo)

> > Navel for Keelakam (kelkay namah naabhau)

> > All part at once (.... viniyogay namah sarvaange)

> >

> > Kar Nyas is done by (with chanting of beej mantra roop, example

of

> > Shreem beej in bracket)

> >

> > First joining thumb to index finger ( shraam angushtabhyam namah)

> > Indx finger to thumb ( shreem tarjanibhyam namah)

> > Thumb to middle dinger ( shroom madhyama bhyam namah)

> > to ring finger ( shraim anamikabhyam namah)

> > to little finger( shraum kanishkabyam namah)

> > Finally joining base of both fists and pranam ( sh-rah kartal-

> > karprishtabhyam namah)

> >

> > Hridyi-adi/Shad Ang Nyas is done by using right hand to touch

> >

> > Base of first to Heart (shraam hridyay namah)

> > Five finger tips to Forehead (shreem Shisay swaha)

> > Thumb to braide base (Shroom shkikayayi vasht)

> > Both palm on opposite shoulder(shraim kavachay hoom)

> > Both hand Fisrt to fingers on Eyes (shraum Netra taray Vausht)

> > Left palm straight, rotate right hand over head with first two

> > fingers straight and other bend (shrah astray phat)

> >

> > Snap on all side, saying " Iti Digbandh "

> >

> > Then the dhyan mantra (concentrating on deity image as written in

> > mantra on third eye) and then Mudra before jap(please dont ask

> this,

> > its a an important part just know that because finve finger mean

5

> > elements, you should create right element energies to invoke

deity)

> >

> >

> > Purpose of Nyas

> >

> > Well Nyas gives support (sanidhya) of devine masters and energies

> to

> > ensure your success. It establishes vital energies in vital body

> > parts enhancing your chance of becoming Mantra chetanya.

> >

> > I agree with gopal on the fact that mantra bhavana is very

> imporant,

> > but that does not mean one should ignore other procedures if they

> are

> > known... if you read carefully my last post, i clearly wrote

> >

> > At the end of the day, Mantra Chetna is the main thing... all

> these

> > Nyas, mudra dhyan etc are also meant to help sadhak become truly

> > mantra chetanya, one with vibration... i/e feeling, image and

> > surrender. Anf if you dont succeed once (no ones does in one go),

> > keep trying... " Persistence overcome all known obstacles to

> mankind! "

> >

> > Mantra, Mantra Arth aur Devta ka eki-karn karke dhyan

> >

> >

> > And one more thing, someone asked for which Mala to use, well for

> Aim

> > Hreem Shreem and Kleem, the best bet is Safetik Mala (pure quartz

> > crytal)

> >

> > I hope that solves the things.

> >

> > Peace and Properity!

> > Himanshu

> >

> > Gurudevo Maheshwaro Namo Namah

> >

> >

> >

> > , Sreekumar <nairvps@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Guruji,

> > >

> > > Would you mind to explain in detail how to unlock mantra with

> > keelakam?

> > > please also furnish the different type of nyasas and its

> importants

> > and

> > > where one can find indepth details about mantra rahasyam?

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > > Sreekumar

> > > On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 2:07 PM, scorpion_1112in

> > > <scorpion_1112in@>wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear brother

> > > >

> > > > I would like to make one little point clear without trying to

> make

> > > > things to complicated...

> > > >

> > > > Beej mantras come under category of Tantrik mantras (vedic

and

> > shabar

> > > > are still different). They are base for tantrik mantras.

> > > >

> > > > A beej mantra responds to the " Kaarn Deh " Causal body of the

> > deity,

> > > > hence its the seed of growing their basic power

> > > >

> > > > A mool mantra responds to the " Sookshma Deh " Subtle Body of

> the

> > deity

> > > > hence it responds to harnessing an already developed (semi

> > developed

> > > > you can say) form of the deities power in some way.

> > > >

> > > > So you must also understand that use of a Beej Mantra is also

> > totally

> > > > different.

> > > >

> > > > As for complete Mantra Anushthan for a Mool Mantra, you need

> > atleast

> > > > these steps and they have following importance and hardwork:

> > > >

> > > > 1) Mantra Shuddhi (purifying mantra vibration in atmosphere)

=

> 4%

> > > > 2) Utkeelan (unlocking password as by creator of mantra) = 2%

> > > > 3) Mantra Maitri (gaining friendship/compatibility b/w mantra

> and

> > own

> > > > vibration) = 2%

> > > > 4) Shraap Vimochan (removing cruse on mantra is any) = 2%

> > > > 5) Mantra Sanskar = 5%

> > > > 6) Mantra Jagriti = 5%

> > > > 7) *** Purush-charan*** (Jap + Homa + Tarpan + Marjan +

> Bhoyan) =

> > 70%

> > > > 8) Mantra Arth (mantra meaning) = 5%

> > > > 9) Others procedure if any = 5%

> > > >

> > > > All this starts after Diksha and I have given approximate

> figures

> > but

> > > > clearly Purush-charan is the most important and most time

> > consuming,

> > > > and daily procedure for purushcharan requires usuage of

> Viniyog +

> > > > Nyas + Dhyan + Mudra + Fixed Jap (chanting)... and then 1/10

> of

> > jap

> > > > we do Homa (obligation of mantra with swaha in havan kund),

> 1/100

> > > > Tarpan (on yantra and/or in river/water), 1/1000

> Marjan/Abhishek

> > > > (sprinkling water on self), 1/10000 of mantra jap is Bhojan

(to

> > > > bhraman or kanya)

> > > >

> > > > Lets say you are not doing a complete anushtan, you are doing

> just

> > > > some prayog... well in Prayog the procedure is again clearly

> > defined

> > > > by the person given that prayog, that means guruji, it can be

> > using a

> > > > yantra with specific mantra and tantra for 11, 21, 45... any

> no of

> > > > fixed days. Pryog is a specialised way, empowered by a guru,

> works

> > > > primarily for his disciples. Others have minimum effect (yes

> this

> > is

> > > > the truth, try it)

> > > >

> > > > Or you just want the normal benefit from a mantra, even in

> that

> > case

> > > >

> > > > It is a well known fact that the bare minimum required for

> working

> > > > any tantra/mantra/yantra is the knowledge of its Viniyog which

> > > > compromises

> > > >

> > > > 1) Mantra Name

> > > > 2) Rishi (Creator of Mantra)

> > > > 3) Chaand (pattern of pronouciation)

> > > > 4) Devta (Name of deity)

> > > > 5) Beejam (main seed for power)

> > > > 6) Shakti (u can say main power enhancer)

> > > > 7) Keelak (the unlocking password)

> > > >

> > > > Although after that Nyas(Energizing body ports and finger by -

 

> > Rishi

> > > > Nyas + Kar Nyas + Hridyadi Nyas) + Dhyan (deity image to

> > concentrate

> > > > on Third Eye) + Mudra (Posture to invite and please deity)

are

> > also

> > > > required before real Mantra Jap... (Real Mantra Jap is useful

> > only if

> > > > you are gaining Mantra Chetna = knowing+repeating the meaning

> of

> > > > mantra, sticking to deity image on third eye with devotion...

> ie

> > > > Mantra, Mantra Arth aur Devta ka eki-karn karke dhyan)

> > > >

> > > > Still

> > > > Even without their knowledge or knowledge of keelak also you

> can

> > use

> > > > a mantra provided you have atleast first 6 part of viniyog.

> (for

> > > > keelak their is a special way of unlocking, call it a master

> key

> > like

> > > > given in book mantra rahasya or their is one another little

> longer

> > > > way also). And their is a way to substitute Nyas and Dhyan

> also.

> > > >

> > > > But for a Beej Mantra...

> > > > It responds to a the causal body of Deity, its like very

basic

> and

> > > > raw form of energy. Procedure is totally different.

> > > >

> > > > Now what you are trying to do is... trying to be a rishi of

> some

> > > > mantra! In my opinion, this is NOT a very wise thing to do.

To

> be

> > a

> > > > rishi you will have to know the complete compatibility of all

> the

> > 50

> > > > alphabets " Varn Mala " (all devnagri letters) which has Swars

> (like

> > > > aa, ee, oo.. etc, one that dont use tongue) and Vyanjans

(like

> ka,

> > > > kha, cha.. etc, one that initiate by moulding tongue)

> > > >

> > > > There is hidden energy of various deities in various sounds,

> some

> > > > match while some don't... it all depends on the element they

> > > > correspond to. Like mixing water with air will not be a very

> good

> > > > idea...

> > > >

> > > > All this is given in somewhat detail in the book mantra

> rahasya

> > but

> > > > to be honest even that is just the beginning... because the

> > shastras

> > > > says " jisey naad ka poorna gyan ho jata hai use bhram ka gyan

> ho

> > jata

> > > > hai " (one who has complete knowledge of sound gets knowledge

of

> > > > god/supreme/creator).

> > > >

> > > > Mordern science says their is no matter, only energy... well

> > indian

> > > > scholars always knew the same but they considered sound to be

> the

> > > > base of shakti (energy) in physical plane (hence its said in

> > Mantra

> > > > Rahasya : bhramand Mantra-may hai, universe is made of sound)

> that

> > > > changes forms and its has its Maryada (rules). In higher

> planes

> > the

> > > > bhav (feeling) and then Arth (meaning) and then Prakash

(subtle

> > > > light, even higher frequency).

> > > >

> > > > A real manta is supposed to combine all these Gunas

> (qualities)

> > from

> > > > all planes for the Mantra Sadhak, how to prepare such a

mantra

> is

> > no

> > > > Childs play!

> > > >

> > > > Although all mantrs are said to originate from Shivas Damru

> but as

> > > > for moon mantras, Mantras are given by

> > > > 1) Bhrama (Vedic Mantras)

> > > > 2) Shiva (Tantrik Mantras)

> > > > 3) Rishi (Masters)

> > > > 4) Some times deities themselves have offered

> > > >

> > > > See, you need to be in level of one of these to actually form

a

> > > > mantra! And then you will have to device the corresponding

> yantra

> > > > (physical tool for corresponding deities astral body) and

> tantra

> > > > (system/technique) for using it. I say leave that to masters

> and

> > god.

> > > > Better safe than sorry because misuse can burn you...

everyone

> > knows

> > > > wrong use of Beej Mantras CAN harm.

> > > >

> > > > Still if you want to use them, then just do one at time

(thats

> my

> > > > suggestion)... do minimums like the initial

> > > >

> > > > 1) Pavitrikaran (purification sprinlikling water all around,

> keep

> > > > that water next to right knee)

> > > > 2) Aachman (innver purification) +

> > > > 3) digbandh (sealing direction to protect against evil) +

> > > > 4) Deepak (hold lamp in lit b/w palms) +

> > > > 5) Invite dear guru, ganesha and other deities you like with

> their

> > > > short dhyan and or mantra +

> > > > 6) Guru dhyan +

> > > > 7) Specific deity dhyan/meditation (whos mantra you use)

> > > > 8) Prathrna (prayer for specific wish, like viniyog) +

> > > > 9) Jap (chant as much you can do, let it be fixed per day) +

> > > > 10) Shama Yaachna (Ask for forgiveness for any conscious or

> > > > unconscious mistake during like karma or during karmkand)

> > > > 11) Offer Prasad and/or the water kept during ritual to Tulsi

> > > >

> > > > Atleast this much you should do for a beej Mantra. Mind you,

> beej

> > > > Mantra is still easy way for those who cannot do Anusthans or

> > Prayog

> > > > or even recite Storas and Kavachs. This doesnt take much time

> to

> > do

> > > > but it will take time to actually start showing results in

> life.

> > > >

> > > > And two final notes:

> > > >

> > > > 1) One very commonly confused point... is it Kreem or

Kreeng...

> > > > Shreem or Shreeng... Aim or Aing... Hreem or Hreeng... and so

> on,

> > > > well listen, if you have not taken diksha, (i say this

because

> i

> > have

> > > > seen and done it, one with kreeng, shreeng, etc have a

> different

> > > > procedure) go for the Mmmm ending one. There is a simple

scine,

> > > > whenever you use Mmmm, sound comes out of nose, it touches

> > > > bhramrandhra, and ideally this is the best situation for

Dhyan

> and

> > > > transmitting your vibration to universe/deity. This WILL

bring

> > peace

> > > > to concentration to you.

> > > >

> > > > 2) The mantra you are trying to form... " Aim Hreem Shreem

> Kleem "

> > is

> > > > obviously very similar to Navaran Mantra

> > > > " Om Aim Hreem Kleem Chamunda-yayi Vichye "

> > > >

> > > > As a wise head, i would recommend Navarna Mantra, as it a very

> > > > special and already siddh Mantra in Atmostphere of earth. Also

> > > > considering your desires... this will cover all. Get a diksha

> for

> > > > that, the Tantra (technique) for this is also fairly easy.

> > > >

> > > > Aim, Hreem, Kleem has powers (Shaktis = Sarawswati + Lakshmi +

> > > > Kli/Parvati) of Bhrahma,Vishnu and Shiva... and actually if

> you

> > read

> > > > the Viniyog of the Navaran Mantra, you will realise what i am

> > saying.

> > > >

> > > > I hope this cleared most of your doubts and of anyone else

who

> > might

> > > > have had these.

> > > >

> > > > Wishing

> > > > Peace and Prosperity!

> > > >

> > > > Gurudevo Maheshwaro Namo Namah!

> > > >

> > > > <%

> > 40>, " Manish

> > > > Madhav " <madhav_man@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaskaar,

> > > > >

> > > > > I wish to know if the collection of 4 seeds - 'Aim Hreem

> Shreem

> > > > > Kleem' makes a complete mantra to meditate upon?

> > > > >

> > > > > Saw the same in some good authentic references as a

complete

> > mantra

> > > > > in itself for attracting Vak, Maya, Sri and Bliss...

> > > > >

> > > > > Also read at many places that adding more to what is

desired

> may

> > > > only

> > > > > dilute the mantra, so not keen/ sure to add many things,

not

> > even

> > > > OM

> > > > > pranava. Hope the 4 seeds can take care of this also.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thought of adding the 'Aim Kleem Sauh' to the end of it,

> making:

> > > > >

> > > > > 'Aim Hreem Shreem Kleem Aim Kleem Sauh' which also sounds

> nice,

> > > > sweet

> > > > > and easy to chant, creates a vibration, but again the same

> > doubt,

> > > > am

> > > > > I diluting something, by just repeating a seed, of which

the

> > effect

> > > > > is already taken in 4 seeds...

> > > > >

> > > > > Please guide, please advise.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks and Regards

> > > > > Manish Madhav

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>