Guest guest Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 Its probably very obvious, but I would like to share a practical solution to a problem with some if not all of us have faced. If you have to say 100 malas of some small mantra like say one of the beej mantras (hrim, shreem, kleem etc). I can chant shreem mentally 4 times per second, but rotating the beads at that rate is impossible. Thus the rate becomes slow and I get tired after 20-30 rounds. Instead .. what works very well is .. rotate the bead not after one mantra but say 10 mantras. So the new mantra becomes " shreem shreem shreem ..... (10 times) " and then you rotate one bead. This way I get done much faster without losing count of malas. Ofcourse if I am required to do 100 malas, now I am doing only 10 malas .. but the process is easier on your fingers. I am not advocating that you get the same effect/results. But I definitely know that doing 100 mantras using this method is better than doing no mantra at all. Jai gurudev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2009 Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 Hello Shobhit You have raised an interesting point here... and a very creative idea here... but let us understand it in some depth. You said you can mentally chant one beej mantra 4 times per second, which means a mala (rosary round) of 108 beads in 27 seconds... still lets take average of 30 seconds or half minute. So total of 100 such rosary rounds in 30*100=3,000 Seconds or 3000/60 = 50 minutes. So that's roughly an hour. Quite quick! But the point is, Manas Jap is useful only if you do it in stillness. Doing manas japa with rosary is not the best idea. Secondly i should tell you, the effect of putting just one beej like shreem on one bead is different than effect of putting 10 shreem on each bead... by science of mantra chanting, that becomes something else as the break/gap between two beeja becomes different. Earlier there would have been a break after every shreem, now there will be a break after lots of 10. And mind you, the gap in pronounciation is very importat... especially in vedic mantras. This will cause change in stimulation of mental/causal body. Another very important point that i must clear here is about your problem of keeping count of rosary rounds. Well usually the Ideal way is to mentally keep track of how many rounds a person has done, but if that is too much then there is one authentic (note : i said authentic) way. Before you start your Mantra Japa, you can take some seeds or beads or rice grain or pebbles etc... take as many as the number of rosary rounds you need to do. Put them in one box. Take another box also which is emtpy. (Oh and you can take two box of different colour if you dont want to be confused here also) Now when you do the Japa, after every rosary round, with your left hand you take one seed/grain/stone from filled box and keep it in the empty box. So you keep putting seeds/pebbles from box 1 to box 2 till all the seeds are moved from box 1 to box 2. This method is very precise and very safe. For example, The most usual Mantra Anushthan is of 1.25 Lakh (125000)... and that roughly means 1250 rosary rounds... and its best done in 21 days. Best way to do that is 60 Mala (rosary round) per day for 21 days, so total comes out to be 1260 rosary rounds, 10 mala above 1250 but thats okay average. In this example, especially if it was lakshmi mantra, you should take 60 lotus seeds (like in kamalgattey ki mala) in one box and keep transferring one bead after each mala (rosary round) you chant. This way your quantity of Japa will be very precise. Or even if it is some Maha Anushthan of 24 Lakh (24 00 000) which requires 66 mala per day (like Gayatri Anushthan), the procedure remains the same. Ofcourse the time for Japa will depend on the length of mantra... something like Maha Mrityunjaya with Samput (Sanjeevani Mantra) will take 16-18 minutes per rosary round, so roughly 3 rounds in an hour... that means 3 hours for even 10 rounds (i am talking of tried and tested thing). And i am sure everyone adds atleast 1 hour of pre japa puja and post japa puja as well... Now in your case, a beej mantra... it should take 1 to 2 minutes per rosary depending on person. I mean if you do i rosary round of beej mantra in less than 1 minute, you must be rushing through it. a person really wanting to do it slow, will take long as 2 minutes. A true Mantrik should not scared of hardwork or tiredness... not be concerned about rushing to get to end, he should rather be more concerned about doing japa with a passion (i guess primarily applies to rajsik sadhaks...) he should do it in such effort and depth that he himself becomes mantra vibration, that's the kind of attitude you should hold. With this seeds in box technique, you can be totally tension free about constantly remembering how many rounds you have done or not... you can put all your attention on Mantra Chetna. and this will be great. And anyways always remember, i always repeat, the most important thing in any Mantra Anushthan is " mantra chetna " that is Oneness of the person doing Mantra with 1) Mantra's physical Vibration + (Physical body is stimulated, infact most important sensory organ ear is ear as its related to the highest of 5 elements... Ether elements is stimulated) 2) Image of Deity on Third Eye + (if this is tough then watch the Idol) (Astral Body is stimulated) 3) Mantra Arth (Meaning) (Mental/Causal body is stimulated) All this may sound too much to do at once, but believe me, with practice it very much possible. And even while practice, remember one thing, even if you are not able to focus on deity image or able to feel mantra arth with very mantra... the most important thing is right pronunciation. So in a way, Mantra is the tool for mind concentration... concentration is not always the pre-requisite for mantra chanting... infact mantra was created so that mind can be concentrated and its energy can be directed in some particular manner to harness spiritual energy. Focus on means... end will come by itself. So focus on mantras proper pronunciation first, it will lead to stimulation of first astral and then mental/causal body. Starting from physical to astral to mental/causal and then higher if he continues... so its from gross to subtle. I hope this solves lot of things and opens up new thoughts for you. With Regards Himanshu Gurudevo Maheshwaro Namo Namah , " Shobhit Verma " <shobhit.mail wrote: > > Its probably very obvious, but I would like to share a practical solution to a problem with some if not all of us have faced. > If you have to say 100 malas of some small mantra like say one of the beej mantras (hrim, shreem, kleem etc). > I can chant shreem mentally 4 times per second, but rotating the beads at that rate is impossible. Thus the rate becomes slow and I get tired after 20-30 rounds. > Instead .. what works very well is .. rotate the bead not after one mantra but say 10 mantras. So the new mantra becomes " shreem shreem shreem ..... (10 times) " and then you rotate one bead. > This way I get done much faster without losing count of malas. > Ofcourse if I am required to do 100 malas, now I am doing only 10 malas .. but the process is easier on your fingers. > > I am not advocating that you get the same effect/results. But I definitely know that doing 100 mantras using this method is better than doing no mantra at all. > Jai gurudev > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2009 Report Share Posted April 21, 2009 Dear Himanshu. Thank you for investing your time and sharing the details of your knowledge/experience. It is very helpful. Jai gurudev Shobhit On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 2:39 PM, scorpion_1112in <scorpion_1112in wrote: > > > > Hello Shobhit > > You have raised an interesting point here... and a very creative idea > here... but let us understand it in some depth. > > You said you can mentally chant one beej mantra 4 times per second, which > means a mala (rosary round) of 108 beads in 27 seconds... still lets take > average of 30 seconds or half minute. > > So total of 100 such rosary rounds in 30*100=3,000 Seconds or 3000/60 = 50 > minutes. So that's roughly an hour. Quite quick! > > But the point is, Manas Jap is useful only if you do it in stillness. Doing > manas japa with rosary is not the best idea. > > Secondly i should tell you, the effect of putting just one beej like shreem > on one bead is different than effect of putting 10 shreem on each bead... by > science of mantra chanting, that becomes something else as the break/gap > between two beeja becomes different. Earlier there would have been a break > after every shreem, now there will be a break after lots of 10. > > And mind you, the gap in pronounciation is very importat... especially in > vedic mantras. This will cause change in stimulation of mental/causal body. > > Another very important point that i must clear here is about your problem of > keeping count of rosary rounds. > > Well usually the Ideal way is to mentally keep track of how many rounds a > person has done, but if that is too much then there is one authentic (note : > i said authentic) way. > > Before you start your Mantra Japa, you can take some seeds or beads or rice > grain or pebbles etc... take as many as the number of rosary rounds you need > to do. Put them in one box. Take another box also which is emtpy. (Oh and > you can take two box of different colour if you dont want to be confused > here also) > > Now when you do the Japa, after every rosary round, with your left hand you > take one seed/grain/stone from filled box and keep it in the empty box. So > you keep putting seeds/pebbles from box 1 to box 2 till all the seeds are > moved from box 1 to box 2. > > This method is very precise and very safe. > > For example, > > The most usual Mantra Anushthan is of 1.25 Lakh (125000)... and that roughly > means 1250 rosary rounds... and its best done in 21 days. Best way to do > that is 60 Mala (rosary round) per day for 21 days, so total comes out to be > 1260 rosary rounds, 10 mala above 1250 but thats okay average. > > In this example, especially if it was lakshmi mantra, you should take 60 > lotus seeds (like in kamalgattey ki mala) in one box and keep transferring > one bead after each mala (rosary round) you chant. This way your quantity of > Japa will be very precise. > > Or even if it is some Maha Anushthan of 24 Lakh (24 00 000) which requires > 66 mala per day (like Gayatri Anushthan), the procedure remains the same. > > Ofcourse the time for Japa will depend on the length of mantra... something > like Maha Mrityunjaya with Samput (Sanjeevani Mantra) will take 16-18 > minutes per rosary round, so roughly 3 rounds in an hour... that means 3 > hours for even 10 rounds (i am talking of tried and tested thing). > > And i am sure everyone adds atleast 1 hour of pre japa puja and post japa > puja as well... > > Now in your case, a beej mantra... it should take 1 to 2 minutes per rosary > depending on person. I mean if you do i rosary round of beej mantra in less > than 1 minute, you must be rushing through it. a person really wanting to do > it slow, will take long as 2 minutes. > > A true Mantrik should not scared of hardwork or tiredness... not be > concerned about rushing to get to end, he should rather be more concerned > about doing japa with a passion (i guess primarily applies to rajsik > sadhaks...) he should do it in such effort and depth that he himself becomes > mantra vibration, that's the kind of attitude you should hold. > > With this seeds in box technique, you can be totally tension free about > constantly remembering how many rounds you have done or not... you can put > all your attention on Mantra Chetna. and this will be great. > > And anyways always remember, i always repeat, the most important thing in > any Mantra Anushthan is " mantra chetna " that is > > Oneness of the person doing Mantra with > > 1) Mantra's physical Vibration + > (Physical body is stimulated, infact most important sensory organ ear is ear > as its related to the highest of 5 elements... Ether elements is stimulated) > > 2) Image of Deity on Third Eye + (if this is tough then watch the Idol) > (Astral Body is stimulated) > > 3) Mantra Arth (Meaning) > (Mental/Causal body is stimulated) > > All this may sound too much to do at once, but believe me, with practice it > very much possible. And even while practice, remember one thing, even if you > are not able to focus on deity image or able to feel mantra arth with very > mantra... the most important thing is right pronunciation. > > So in a way, Mantra is the tool for mind concentration... concentration is > not always the pre-requisite for mantra chanting... infact mantra was > created so that mind can be concentrated and its energy can be directed in > some particular manner to harness spiritual energy. > > Focus on means... end will come by itself. > So focus on mantras proper pronunciation first, it will lead to stimulation > of first astral and then mental/causal body. Starting from physical to > astral to mental/causal and then higher if he continues... so its from gross > to subtle. > > I hope this solves lot of things and opens up new thoughts for you. > > With Regards > Himanshu > > Gurudevo Maheshwaro Namo Namah > > , " Shobhit Verma " <shobhit.mail wrote: >> >> Its probably very obvious, but I would like to share a practical solution >> to a problem with some if not all of us have faced. >> If you have to say 100 malas of some small mantra like say one of the beej >> mantras (hrim, shreem, kleem etc). >> I can chant shreem mentally 4 times per second, but rotating the beads at >> that rate is impossible. Thus the rate becomes slow and I get tired after >> 20-30 rounds. >> Instead .. what works very well is .. rotate the bead not after one mantra >> but say 10 mantras. So the new mantra becomes " shreem shreem shreem ..... >> (10 times) " and then you rotate one bead. >> This way I get done much faster without losing count of malas. >> Ofcourse if I am required to do 100 malas, now I am doing only 10 malas .. >> but the process is easier on your fingers. >> >> I am not advocating that you get the same effect/results. But I definitely >> know that doing 100 mantras using this method is better than doing no mantra >> at all. >> Jai gurudev >> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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