Guest guest Posted June 15, 2009 Report Share Posted June 15, 2009 there r many mantra of maa kaali. i will show u simple but very powerful mantra. kreem kreem kreem dakshin kaalikayey swaha it is small but a very pwoerful mantra. one must be pure vegetarian,no smoke,no drink, no lies,no stealing and no bad habits. do on white sphatik,or red mala.do pooja of mala also if possible beofre starting pooja first time. face east or south. use red asan if possible. before and after doing jap pray to mataji. also if possible do kaali kavach like jaganmangal-kavach and also tantroktam ratri suktam from sri durga saptashati. finally always end yr pooja with siddhkunjika stotram. offer some milk and dry fruit or some some fruit to mataji everyday morning and evening.and eat and also give to all family as prasad. if some lady in home is in menstruation cycle pls dont let them near to mataji sthan or near the altar. be very careful and maa will bless definately as we r all her humble loving and innocent children. om shakti gopal On 6/15/09, VISHAL THACKER <thackers_1 wrote: Dear Gopalji,can you kindly share the maa kali mantra with me.Being a bhakt of maa shakti i want to do the mantra chanting and have blessing of maa kali.RegardsVT From: sumanenthiran Sat, 13 Jun 2009 14:54:59 +0000 Re: Maha Kali Sadhana Dear Gopal,thanks for the reply, I feel the energy during & after the sadhana, also my feeling it is developing confidence and the mind power.Many thanksSuman , gopal narayan <gopalnarayan123 wrote: >> dear friend,> > > i am doing maa kaali mantra for meditation> and its very peace and love giving and> wonderful.> > i feel warm,loved and very energised.> > > om shakti> > gopal> > > > > On 6/11/09, sumanenthiran <sumanenthiran wrote:> >> >> >> > Dear Gurubhais, > >> > I was initiated by thirimoorty Gurudev N.K Shrimaliji on the Mahakali> > mahavidya. Now I started the Lahu-Anushtan of the Mahakali Sadhana, any> > brothers or sisters can you contribute your experience in this sadhana to > > me. I have a some questions to start this discussion.> > 1. what are the prayoga of the Mahakali Sadhana?> > 2. if any Gurubahi doing this Sadhana?> >> > hope your interesting feedbacks, > >> > Jai Ma!> >> > Jai Gurudev> >> > Suman> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2009 Report Share Posted June 16, 2009 Gopalji, could you please explain the reason in detail behind obstructing women near the altar during menstrual period? sreekumar On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 3:31 PM, gopal narayan <gopalnarayan123 wrote: there r many mantra of maa kaali. i will show u simple but very powerful mantra. kreem kreem kreem dakshin kaalikayey swaha it is small but a very pwoerful mantra. one must be pure vegetarian,no smoke,no drink, no lies,no stealing and no bad habits. do on white sphatik,or red mala.do pooja of mala also if possible beofre starting pooja first time. face east or south. use red asan if possible. before and after doing jap pray to mataji. also if possible do kaali kavach like jaganmangal-kavach and also tantroktam ratri suktam from sri durga saptashati. finally always end yr pooja with siddhkunjika stotram. offer some milk and dry fruit or some some fruit to mataji everyday morning and evening.and eat and also give to all family as prasad. if some lady in home is in menstruation cycle pls dont let them near to mataji sthan or near the altar. be very careful and maa will bless definately as we r all her humble loving and innocent children. om shakti gopal On 6/15/09, VISHAL THACKER <thackers_1 wrote: Dear Gopalji,can you kindly share the maa kali mantra with me.Being a bhakt of maa shakti i want to do the mantra chanting and have blessing of maa kali.RegardsVT From: sumanenthiranDate: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 14:54:59 +0000 Re: Maha Kali Sadhana Dear Gopal,thanks for the reply, I feel the energy during & after the sadhana, also my feeling it is developing confidence and the mind power.Many thanksSuman , gopal narayan <gopalnarayan123 wrote: >> dear friend,> > > i am doing maa kaali mantra for meditation> and its very peace and love giving and> wonderful.> > i feel warm,loved and very energised.> > > om shakti> > gopal> > > > > On 6/11/09, sumanenthiran <sumanenthiran wrote:> >> >> >> > Dear Gurubhais, > >> > I was initiated by thirimoorty Gurudev N.K Shrimaliji on the Mahakali> > mahavidya. Now I started the Lahu-Anushtan of the Mahakali Sadhana, any> > brothers or sisters can you contribute your experience in this sadhana to > > me. I have a some questions to start this discussion.> > 1. what are the prayoga of the Mahakali Sadhana?> > 2. if any Gurubahi doing this Sadhana?> >> > hope your interesting feedbacks, > >> > Jai Ma!> >> > Jai Gurudev> >> > Suman> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2009 Report Share Posted June 17, 2009 i said its preferred. i dont know why,it is passed on from elders to me,so i said it. in some vaam margi upasana,the yoni of a mentruating woman is worshipped and abhishek is done on it,i had participated in 1 such pooja long time ago.the mantras were some specific beej mantras which cant be openly discussed. the presiding deity being mother kaamyoni herself and it was a very powerful and unique experience. in all probability the word : rajaswala sheds some light on it. when woman is in her reproductive mode,her hormones maybe cause her to have a rajssic nature and her desire for mating may increase. maybe this cud be a reason why her aura-vibrations maybe changed thus she maybe not allowed near the altar. similarly when someone goes to cremation ground and returns he is not supposed to be near pooja area for 1-3 days. also when someone dies they do not do pooja etc form 11-13 days. maybe it cud be that some aura changes etc maybe occuring.but i have no real answer. i am sorry i cant reply properly. so it is not discrimination against women alone per se. beside this when a man is gruhasta,whe his wife is rajaswala,he is also not supposed to do entire pooja but can do naman to the god only. in my house itself we follow this. om shakti gopal On 6/16/09, Sreekumar <nairvps wrote: Gopalji, could you please explain the reason in detail behind obstructing women near the altar during menstrual period? sreekumar On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 3:31 PM, gopal narayan <gopalnarayan123 wrote: there r many mantra of maa kaali. i will show u simple but very powerful mantra. kreem kreem kreem dakshin kaalikayey swaha it is small but a very pwoerful mantra. one must be pure vegetarian,no smoke,no drink, no lies,no stealing and no bad habits. do on white sphatik,or red mala.do pooja of mala also if possible beofre starting pooja first time. face east or south. use red asan if possible. before and after doing jap pray to mataji. also if possible do kaali kavach like jaganmangal-kavach and also tantroktam ratri suktam from sri durga saptashati. finally always end yr pooja with siddhkunjika stotram. offer some milk and dry fruit or some some fruit to mataji everyday morning and evening.and eat and also give to all family as prasad. if some lady in home is in menstruation cycle pls dont let them near to mataji sthan or near the altar. be very careful and maa will bless definately as we r all her humble loving and innocent children. om shakti gopal On 6/15/09, VISHAL THACKER <thackers_1 wrote: Dear Gopalji,can you kindly share the maa kali mantra with me.Being a bhakt of maa shakti i want to do the mantra chanting and have blessing of maa kali.RegardsVT From: sumanenthiran Sat, 13 Jun 2009 14:54:59 +0000 Re: Maha Kali Sadhana Dear Gopal,thanks for the reply, I feel the energy during & after the sadhana, also my feeling it is developing confidence and the mind power.Many thanksSuman , gopal narayan <gopalnarayan123 wrote: >> dear friend,> > > i am doing maa kaali mantra for meditation> and its very peace and love giving and> wonderful.> > i feel warm,loved and very energised.> > > om shakti> > gopal> > > > > On 6/11/09, sumanenthiran <sumanenthiran wrote:> >> >> >> > Dear Gurubhais, > >> > I was initiated by thirimoorty Gurudev N.K Shrimaliji on the Mahakali> > mahavidya. Now I started the Lahu-Anushtan of the Mahakali Sadhana, any> > brothers or sisters can you contribute your experience in this sadhana to > > me. I have a some questions to start this discussion.> > 1. what are the prayoga of the Mahakali Sadhana?> > 2. if any Gurubahi doing this Sadhana?> >> > hope your interesting feedbacks, > >> > Jai Ma!> >> > Jai Gurudev> >> > Suman> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 - Namaskaram Gopalji, I remember my aajaji who was Shiva bhakth would not allow the women in our temple who were going through their mensus until 9 days were over. This i personally couldn't understand when i was younger but i finally asked him for an explaination he then told me son our devi dewata's are pavitr sooth ke samaan and gandhgi or dirtiness will make them leave the temple and then we have to do a purification ritual by washing and sprinkling the whole temple with hardipani and then call back the devi dewatas asking for forgiveness. My aajaji used to put a flower on mata Durga before starting his puja and if mata durga didn't give him the flower as a asirvaad within 10 minutes he will know that someone in the temple was there having her mensus. He then would give a big lecture on purification and as coming to temple for darshan was considered doing an actual tirath yatra. So the logic is simple we cannot face our devi dewatas in unpure form and our basic health function is to take bath, put on clean clothes and eat sathvik bhojan before going to a temple. About returning from cremation ground though it is the purest place for sadhana once we reach home inour country the family members used to light fire with a few pieces of log and each of us were to flash our hands over the fire to purify ourselves and to send back any spirits which we unknowling may have picked up from the creamtion ground. We then have to discard our clothes and take a shower in the outside bathroom and wear new clothes to enter the house. The dead person's house in considered un pure for thirteen days because his rhu in hanging on a pepal tree awaiting the brahman bhooj day when after the havan then only his rhu is freed to go to chitragupt for a trial with god and thereafer, he goes to another yoni depending on his karma earned while on earth. That is the reason why the house is considered impure even during these 13 days we read Gita and do sankalap each day so that the departed soul can pass the veitarni easily. I hope this will clarify any doubts, though i am not an expert on this subject i am simply relating what my aajaji taught me. Remember we are so far away from India in the middle of the south pacfic ocean. We didn't have any rishies or yogis or learned vedic teachers in our country to teach us religion. So whatever we learnt is from our ancestors and we keep it very dear to our hearts.In my case my aajaji was my teacher and took place of a guru as well. SHIVADASA BHARADWAJ FIJI ISLANDS -- In , gopal narayan <gopalnarayan123 wrote: > > i said its preferred. > > i dont know why,it is passed on from elders to me,so > i said it. > > in some vaam margi upasana,the yoni of a mentruating woman > is worshipped and abhishek is done on it,i had participated > in 1 such pooja long time ago.the mantras were some > specific beej mantras which cant be openly discussed. > > the presiding deity being mother kaamyoni herself > and it was a very powerful and unique experience. > > in all probability the word : rajaswala sheds some > light on it. > > when woman is in her reproductive mode,her hormones > maybe cause her to have a rajssic nature and her > desire for mating may increase. > > maybe this cud be a reason why her aura-vibrations > maybe changed thus she maybe not allowed near > the altar. > > similarly when someone goes to cremation ground and returns > he is not supposed to be near pooja area for 1-3 days. > > also when someone dies they do not do pooja etc form 11-13 days. > > maybe it cud be that some aura changes > etc maybe occuring.but i have no real answer. > > i am sorry i cant reply properly. > > so it is not discrimination against women alone per se. > > beside this when a man is gruhasta,whe his wife is > rajaswala,he is also not supposed to do entire pooja but > can do naman to the god only. > > in my house itself we follow this. > > > om shakti > > gopal > > > > > On 6/16/09, Sreekumar <nairvps wrote: > > > > > > > > Gopalji, > > > > could you please explain the reason in detail behind obstructing women near > > the altar during menstrual period? > > > > sreekumar > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 3:31 PM, gopal narayan <gopalnarayan123 > > > wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> there r many mantra of maa kaali. > >> > >> i will show u simple but very powerful mantra. > >> > >> > >> kreem kreem kreem dakshin kaalikayey swaha > >> > >> > >> > >> it is small but a very pwoerful mantra. > >> > >> one must be pure vegetarian,no smoke,no drink, > >> no lies,no stealing and no bad habits. > >> > >> do on white sphatik,or red mala.do pooja > >> of mala also if possible beofre starting > >> pooja first time. > >> > >> > >> face east or south. > >> > >> use red asan if possible. > >> > >> before and after doing jap pray to mataji. > >> > >> also if possible do kaali kavach like jaganmangal-kavach > >> and also tantroktam ratri suktam from sri durga saptashati. > >> > >> finally always end yr pooja with siddhkunjika stotram. > >> > >> offer some milk and dry fruit or some some fruit to mataji > >> everyday morning and evening.and eat and also give to all family > >> as prasad. > >> > >> if some lady in home is in menstruation cycle pls dont let them near > >> to mataji sthan or near the altar. > >> > >> be very careful and maa will bless definately as we r all > >> her humble loving and innocent children. > >> > >> > >> > >> om shakti > >> > >> gopal > >> > >> > >> > >> On 6/15/09, VISHAL THACKER <thackers_1 wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Dear Gopalji, > >>> > >>> can you kindly share the maa kali mantra with me. > >>> > >>> Being a bhakt of maa shakti i want to do the mantra chanting and have > >>> blessing of maa kali. > >>> > >>> Regards > >>> > >>> VT > >>> > >>> ------------------------------ > >>> > >>> sumanenthiran > >>> Sat, 13 Jun 2009 14:54:59 +0000 > >>> Re: Maha Kali Sadhana > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Dear Gopal, > >>> thanks for the reply, I feel the energy during & after the sadhana, also > >>> my feeling it is developing confidence and the mind power. > >>> > >>> Many thanks > >>> > >>> Suman > >>> > >>> , gopal narayan <gopalnarayan123@> > >>> wrote: > >>> > > >>> > dear friend, > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > i am doing maa kaali mantra for meditation > >>> > and its very peace and love giving and > >>> > wonderful. > >>> > > >>> > i feel warm,loved and very energised. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > om shakti > >>> > > >>> > gopal > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > On 6/11/09, sumanenthiran <sumanenthiran@> wrote: > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > Dear Gurubhais, > >>> > > > >>> > > I was initiated by thirimoorty Gurudev N.K Shrimaliji on the Mahakali > >>> > > mahavidya. Now I started the Lahu-Anushtan of the Mahakali Sadhana, > >>> any > >>> > > brothers or sisters can you contribute your experience in this > >>> sadhana to > >>> > > me. I have a some questions to start this discussion. > >>> > > 1. what are the prayoga of the Mahakali Sadhana? > >>> > > 2. if any Gurubahi doing this Sadhana? > >>> > > > >>> > > hope your interesting feedbacks, > >>> > > > >>> > > Jai Ma! > >>> > > > >>> > > Jai Gurudev > >>> > > > >>> > > Suman > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2009 Report Share Posted June 19, 2009 Jai maa Jaya Durga, Well said.Actually there is lot of negative energy when a woman is in her periods and this can affect the power of deity.The yantras are written after a lot of recitals and pran prathisht is done.That is why even a man without taking bath and wearing clothes which he wore in his bed timeor whicis not pure is prohibited from entering the temple.In the sanctum Santoram only lamp with oil is allowed .no electric light is to be provided there though to day we do it all the time. The sabari malai temple in Kerala the ghee for abhisheka is carried in a coconut.The reason is in those days when no transport was availble and no facilities were there carrying the ghee in any other form will make it impure and the deity's power starts decreasing when anointed with ghee.so a method was found to kep it pure..In any temple more than the idol the pran pratishth yantra under the idol is what gives the power.same thing holds for dead person's house also.what he has said we still observe.The dead soul hangs around and starts moving after the 12 th day ceremony.13th day is purification and new clothes etc are given.the time plane is different.our one year is one day for them.So Shradh is giving a daily food and amavasya day the argya is water to quench the thirst.The soul may take some times more time to find a yoni where he can burn part of his accumulated karma.That is why we should strive to ensure atleast this birth we do right karma and do not add to back log which we are not aware.But all of us must have done some good karma to aleast engage in such thinking while millions still continue to do what they feel is happines. Really great that our friends in Fiji are following the tradions and procedures so well even though they are far away and only with their elders to guide them. Regards tonysinha91 <tsinha1 Sent: Friday, 19 June, 2009 5:35:58 AM Re: maa kaali mantra -Namaskaram Gopalji,I remember my aajaji who was Shiva bhakth would not allow the women in our temple who were going through their mensus until 9 days were over. This i personally couldn't understand when i was younger but i finally asked him for an explaination he then told me son our devi dewata's are pavitr sooth ke samaan and gandhgi or dirtiness will make them leave the temple and then we have to do a purification ritual by washing and sprinkling the whole temple with hardipani and then call back the devi dewatas asking for forgiveness. My aajaji used to put a flower on mata Durga before starting his puja and if mata durga didn't give him the flower as a asirvaad within 10 minuteshe will know that someone in the temple was there having her mensus.He then would give a big lecture on purification and as coming to temple for darshan was considered doing an actual tirath yatra. So the logic is simple we cannot face our devi dewatas in unpure formand our basic health function is to take bath, put on clean clothes and eat sathvik bhojan before going to a temple.About returning from cremation ground though it is the purest place for sadhana once we reach home inour country the family members used to light fire with a few pieces of log and each of us were to flash our hands over the fire to purify ourselves and to send back any spirits which we unknowling may have picked up from the creamtion ground. We then have to discard our clothes and take a shower in the outside bathroom and wear new clothes to enter the house.The dead person's house in considered un pure for thirteen days because his rhu in hanging on a pepal tree awaiting the brahman bhooj day when after the havan then only his rhu is freed to go to chitragupt for a trial with god and thereafer, he goes to another yoni depending on his karma earned while on earth. That is the reason why the house is considered impure even during these 13 days we read Gita and do sankalap each day so that the departed soul can pass the veitarni easily.I hope this will clarify any doubts, though i am not an expert on this subject i am simply relating what my aajaji taught me. Remember we are so far away from India in the middle of the south pacfic ocean. We didn't have any rishies or yogis or learned vedic teachers in our country to teach us religion. So whatever we learnt is from our ancestors and we keep it very dear to our hearts.In my case my aajaji was my teacher and took place of a guru as well.SHIVADASA BHARADWAJFIJI ISLANDS-- In @ s.com, gopal narayan <gopalnarayan123@ ...> wrote:>> i said its preferred.> > i dont know why,it is passed on from elders to me,so> i said it.> > in some vaam margi upasana,the yoni of a mentruating woman> is worshipped and abhishek is done on it,i had participated> in 1 such pooja long time ago.the mantras were some> specific beej mantras which cant be openly discussed.> > the presiding deity being mother kaamyoni herself> and it was a very powerful and unique experience.> > in all probability the word : rajaswala sheds some> light on it.> > when woman is in her reproductive mode,her hormones> maybe cause her to have a rajssic nature and her> desire for mating may increase.> > maybe this cud be a reason why her aura-vibrations> maybe changed thus she maybe not allowed near> the altar.> > similarly when someone goes to cremation ground and returns> he is not supposed to be near pooja area for 1-3 days.> > also when someone dies they do not do pooja etc form 11-13 days.> > maybe it cud be that some aura changes> etc maybe occuring.but i have no real answer.> > i am sorry i cant reply properly.> > so it is not discrimination against women alone per se.> > beside this when a man is gruhasta,whe his wife is> rajaswala,he is also not supposed to do entire pooja but> can do naman to the god only.> > in my house itself we follow this.> > > om shakti> > gopal> > > > > On 6/16/09, Sreekumar <nairvps > wrote:> >> >> >> > Gopalji,> >> > could you please explain the reason in detail behind obstructing women near> > the altar during menstrual period?> >> > sreekumar> >> >> > On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 3:31 PM, gopal narayan <gopalnarayan123@ ....> > > wrote:> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> there r many mantra of maa kaali.> >>> >> i will show u simple but very powerful mantra.> >>> >>> >> kreem kreem kreem dakshin kaalikayey swaha> >>> >>> >>> >> it is small but a very pwoerful mantra.> >>> >> one must be pure vegetarian,no smoke,no drink,> >> no lies,no stealing and no bad habits.> >>> >> do on white sphatik,or red mala.do pooja> >> of mala also if possible beofre starting> >> pooja first time.> >>> >>> >> face east or south.> >>> >> use red asan if possible.> >>> >> before and after doing jap pray to mataji.> >>> >> also if possible do kaali kavach like jaganmangal- kavach> >> and also tantroktam ratri suktam from sri durga saptashati.> >>> >> finally always end yr pooja with siddhkunjika stotram.> >>> >> offer some milk and dry fruit or some some fruit to mataji> >> everyday morning and evening.and eat and also give to all family> >> as prasad.> >>> >> if some lady in home is in menstruation cycle pls dont let them near> >> to mataji sthan or near the altar.> >>> >> be very careful and maa will bless definately as we r all> >> her humble loving and innocent children.> >>> >>> >>> >> om shakti> >>> >> gopal> >>> >>> >>> >> On 6/15/09, VISHAL THACKER <thackers_1@ ...> wrote:> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> Dear Gopalji,> >>>> >>> can you kindly share the maa kali mantra with me.> >>>> >>> Being a bhakt of maa shakti i want to do the mantra chanting and have> >>> blessing of maa kali.> >>>> >>> Regards> >>>> >>> VT> >>>> >>> ------------ --------- ---------> >>> @ s.com> >>> sumanenthiran@ ...> >>> Sat, 13 Jun 2009 14:54:59 +0000> >>> Re: Maha Kali Sadhana> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> Dear Gopal,> >>> thanks for the reply, I feel the energy during & after the sadhana, also> >>> my feeling it is developing confidence and the mind power.> >>>> >>> Many thanks> >>>> >>> Suman> >>>> >>> @ s.com, gopal narayan <gopalnarayan123@ >> >>> wrote:> >>> >> >>> > dear friend,> >>> >> >>> >> >>> > i am doing maa kaali mantra for meditation> >>> > and its very peace and love giving and> >>> > wonderful.> >>> >> >>> > i feel warm,loved and very energised.> >>> >> >>> >> >>> > om shakti> >>> >> >>> > gopal> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> > On 6/11/09, sumanenthiran <sumanenthiran@ > wrote:> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > > Dear Gurubhais,> >>> > >> >>> > > I was initiated by thirimoorty Gurudev N.K Shrimaliji on the Mahakali> >>> > > mahavidya. Now I started the Lahu-Anushtan of the Mahakali Sadhana,> >>> any> >>> > > brothers or sisters can you contribute your experience in this> >>> sadhana to> >>> > > me. I have a some questions to start this discussion.> >>> > > 1. what are the prayoga of the Mahakali Sadhana?> >>> > > 2. if any Gurubahi doing this Sadhana?> >>> > >> >>> > > hope your interesting feedbacks,> >>> > >> >>> > > Jai Ma!> >>> > >> >>> > > Jai Gurudev> >>> > >> >>> > > Suman> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> >> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> > > >> ICC World Twenty20 England '09 exclusively on ! CRICKET Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2009 Report Share Posted June 20, 2009 hi, Would somebody explain the different parts of Temples and its corresponding names in sanskrit for eg. The sanctum Santoram is named as " Garbha Gruham " . I want to know the Temple's Sankalpa and the names of different parts in sanskrit. sreekumar On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 7:11 PM, N.E. Subhramaniyam <nes50 wrote: Jai maa Jaya Durga, Well said.Actually there is lot of negative energy when a woman is in her periods and this can affect the power of deity.The yantras are written after a lot of recitals and pran prathisht is done.That is why even a man without taking bath and wearing clothes which he wore in his bed timeor whicis not pure is prohibited from entering the temple.In the sanctum Santoram only lamp with oil is allowed .no electric light is to be provided there though to day we do it all the time. The sabari malai temple in Kerala the ghee for abhisheka is carried in a coconut.The reason is in those days when no transport was availble and no facilities were there carrying the ghee in any other form will make it impure and the deity's power starts decreasing when anointed with ghee.so a method was found to kep it pure..In any temple more than the idol the pran pratishth yantra under the idol is what gives the power.same thing holds for dead person's house also.what he has said we still observe.The dead soul hangs around and starts moving after the 12 th day ceremony.13th day is purification and new clothes etc are given.the time plane is different.our one year is one day for them.So Shradh is giving a daily food and amavasya day the argya is water to quench the thirst.The soul may take some times more time to find a yoni where he can burn part of his accumulated karma.That is why we should strive to ensure atleast this birth we do right karma and do not add to back log which we are not aware.But all of us must have done some good karma to aleast engage in such thinking while millions still continue to do what they feel is happines. Really great that our friends in Fiji are following the tradions and procedures so well even though they are far away and only with their elders to guide them. Regards tonysinha91 <tsinha1 Friday, 19 June, 2009 5:35:58 AM Re: maa kaali mantra -Namaskaram Gopalji,I remember my aajaji who was Shiva bhakth would not allow the women in our temple who were going through their mensus until 9 days were over. This i personally couldn't understand when i was younger but i finally asked him for an explaination he then told me son our devi dewata's are pavitr sooth ke samaan and gandhgi or dirtiness will make them leave the temple and then we have to do a purification ritual by washing and sprinkling the whole temple with hardipani and then call back the devi dewatas asking for forgiveness. My aajaji used to put a flower on mata Durga before starting his puja and if mata durga didn't give him the flower as a asirvaad within 10 minutes he will know that someone in the temple was there having her mensus.He then would give a big lecture on purification and as coming to temple for darshan was considered doing an actual tirath yatra. So the logic is simple we cannot face our devi dewatas in unpure form and our basic health function is to take bath, put on clean clothes and eat sathvik bhojan before going to a temple.About returning from cremation ground though it is the purest place for sadhana once we reach home inour country the family members used to light fire with a few pieces of log and each of us were to flash our hands over the fire to purify ourselves and to send back any spirits which we unknowling may have picked up from the creamtion ground. We then have to discard our clothes and take a shower in the outside bathroom and wear new clothes to enter the house. The dead person's house in considered un pure for thirteen days because his rhu in hanging on a pepal tree awaiting the brahman bhooj day when after the havan then only his rhu is freed to go to chitragupt for a trial with god and thereafer, he goes to another yoni depending on his karma earned while on earth. That is the reason why the house is considered impure even during these 13 days we read Gita and do sankalap each day so that the departed soul can pass the veitarni easily. I hope this will clarify any doubts, though i am not an expert on this subject i am simply relating what my aajaji taught me. Remember we are so far away from India in the middle of the south pacfic ocean. We didn't have any rishies or yogis or learned vedic teachers in our country to teach us religion. So whatever we learnt is from our ancestors and we keep it very dear to our hearts.In my case my aajaji was my teacher and took place of a guru as well. SHIVADASA BHARADWAJFIJI ISLANDS -- In @ s.com, gopal narayan <gopalnarayan123@ ...> wrote:>> i said its preferred.> > i dont know why,it is passed on from elders to me,so> i said it.> > in some vaam margi upasana,the yoni of a mentruating woman> is worshipped and abhishek is done on it,i had participated > in 1 such pooja long time ago.the mantras were some> specific beej mantras which cant be openly discussed.> > the presiding deity being mother kaamyoni herself> and it was a very powerful and unique experience. > > in all probability the word : rajaswala sheds some> light on it.> > when woman is in her reproductive mode,her hormones> maybe cause her to have a rajssic nature and her> desire for mating may increase. > > maybe this cud be a reason why her aura-vibrations> maybe changed thus she maybe not allowed near> the altar.> > similarly when someone goes to cremation ground and returns> he is not supposed to be near pooja area for 1-3 days. > > also when someone dies they do not do pooja etc form 11-13 days.> > maybe it cud be that some aura changes> etc maybe occuring.but i have no real answer.> > i am sorry i cant reply properly. > > so it is not discrimination against women alone per se.> > beside this when a man is gruhasta,whe his wife is> rajaswala,he is also not supposed to do entire pooja but> can do naman to the god only. > > in my house itself we follow this.> > > om shakti> > gopal> > > > > On 6/16/09, Sreekumar <nairvps > wrote:> >> > > >> > Gopalji,> >> > could you please explain the reason in detail behind obstructing women near> > the altar during menstrual period?> >> > sreekumar > >> >> > On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 3:31 PM, gopal narayan <gopalnarayan123@ ....> > > wrote:> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> there r many mantra of maa kaali. > >>> >> i will show u simple but very powerful mantra.> >>> >>> >> kreem kreem kreem dakshin kaalikayey swaha> >>> >>> >> > >> it is small but a very pwoerful mantra.> >>> >> one must be pure vegetarian,no smoke,no drink,> >> no lies,no stealing and no bad habits.> >>> >> do on white sphatik,or red mala.do pooja > >> of mala also if possible beofre starting> >> pooja first time.> >>> >>> >> face east or south.> >>> >> use red asan if possible. > >>> >> before and after doing jap pray to mataji.> >>> >> also if possible do kaali kavach like jaganmangal- kavach> >> and also tantroktam ratri suktam from sri durga saptashati. > >>> >> finally always end yr pooja with siddhkunjika stotram.> >>> >> offer some milk and dry fruit or some some fruit to mataji> >> everyday morning and evening.and eat and also give to all family > >> as prasad.> >>> >> if some lady in home is in menstruation cycle pls dont let them near> >> to mataji sthan or near the altar.> >>> >> be very careful and maa will bless definately as we r all > >> her humble loving and innocent children.> >>> >>> >>> >> om shakti> >>> >> gopal> >>> >>> >> > >> On 6/15/09, VISHAL THACKER <thackers_1@ ...> wrote:> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> Dear Gopalji,> >>>> >>> can you kindly share the maa kali mantra with me. > >>>> >>> Being a bhakt of maa shakti i want to do the mantra chanting and have> >>> blessing of maa kali.> >>>> >>> Regards> >>> > >>> VT> >>>> >>> ------------ --------- ---------> >>> @ s.com > >>> sumanenthiran@ ...> >>> Sat, 13 Jun 2009 14:54:59 +0000> >>> Re: Maha Kali Sadhana> >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> Dear Gopal,> >>> thanks for the reply, I feel the energy during & after the sadhana, also> >>> my feeling it is developing confidence and the mind power. > >>>> >>> Many thanks> >>>> >>> Suman> >>>> >>> @ s.com, gopal narayan <gopalnarayan123@ > > >>> wrote:> >>> >> >>> > dear friend,> >>> >> >>> >> >>> > i am doing maa kaali mantra for meditation > >>> > and its very peace and love giving and> >>> > wonderful.> >>> >> >>> > i feel warm,loved and very energised.> >>> >> >>> > > >>> > om shakti> >>> >> >>> > gopal> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> > On 6/11/09, sumanenthiran <sumanenthiran@ > wrote: > >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > > Dear Gurubhais,> >>> > >> >>> > > I was initiated by thirimoorty Gurudev N.K Shrimaliji on the Mahakali > >>> > > mahavidya. Now I started the Lahu-Anushtan of the Mahakali Sadhana,> >>> any> >>> > > brothers or sisters can you contribute your experience in this> >>> sadhana to > >>> > > me. I have a some questions to start this discussion.> >>> > > 1. what are the prayoga of the Mahakali Sadhana?> >>> > > 2. if any Gurubahi doing this Sadhana? > >>> > >> >>> > > hope your interesting feedbacks,> >>> > >> >>> > > Jai Ma!> >>> > >> >>> > > Jai Gurudev > >>> > >> >>> > > Suman> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> >> >>>> >>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> > > >> ICC World Twenty20 England '09 exclusively on ! CRICKET Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2009 Report Share Posted June 21, 2009 Jay Gurudev Hi there I have seen a few replies to your questions... but when i feel a satisfactory enough answer is not given or an incomplete answer is given or in worst cases a wrong answer is given that detriments true meaning of Tantra, then sometimes i like to break my observer mode silence and indulge in explaining a few things. Actually answering this question would have been lot more easier if the true meaning and application of " Tattva Gyan " (knowledge of Elements) was known to all. Hence its almost my request to all people trying to go into details and depths of Tantra-Mantra-Yantra to first know the formation of 24 Elements and then 36 elements. (Even knowledge of each syllable for Mantras and knowledge of each figure of Yantra comes after that only.) Those who do that study, will also realize Tantra ideally deals more with spiritual growth than material growth... while in reality even material growth it provides is meant to be mere stepping stone to spiritual growth. This is the absolutely most basic thing, Plus one should know the 7 Spiritual Bodies and the 7 Spiritual Planes to get the precise answer for his questions. Really, if you want to be serious, then you should have the guts to be a " Spiritual Scientist " . And yes, tantra does become a total science once you have that level of knowledge... that is why Tantra is such a precise science, although people do add bhakti to it but Tantra in itself is very precise " spiritual science " . I see most people failing in Tantra not so much because of lack of faith in sadhna or because of past life bad karmas etc... but more so because of lack precise knowledge! There are little things they do wrong which have big effects. Tantra is there to help one get over lack of belief and past life karma only, to get spiritual level help for material or spiritual gains. We will try to understand your question comprehensively, but first, I would me repeat what i always repeat. Everything in universe and life has three Levels This universe has three layers of causes 1) Physical 2) Mental 3) Spiritual And finally cause of the three causes is Lord Shiva (pure consciousness), lord of maha maya shakti (energy). So now we understand all the layers of causes of menstruation process in a structured and spiritually scientific way - - - 1) At Physical Level (This means Physical and Energy body in the Physical Realm) ------- Changes in Physical Body (Sthool shareer = Annamaya Kosh) Describing this is like describing female Anatomy and Physiology relating to the Lower Limb. Basically, menstruation occurs when a sperm does not attach itself to the walls of uterus after the ovulation period of a woman... in that case all the required food in blood and energy requirement for possible Zygote (combination of sperm and ovum which later forms Embryo, a human child), all that had pilled up inside the walls of uterus, now tries to flow out. That blood which comes out is the hitherto accumulated blood and not the ones which circulated in body throughout, this was meant to be stored food but even stored stuff is liable to become waste after a while. Hence its not fresh either, infact its most nourishing qualities expire their time and this time reverse its nature. Actually on the absolute physical level, you can test what it feels by 5 sensory organs as Ear for Sound, this relates to Sky Element Skin for Touch, this relates to Air Element Shape for Sight, this relates to Fire Element Taste for Tongue, this relates to Water Element Smell for Nose, this relates to Earth Element As for sound related to menstruation, well this is a subtle topic and may look rather erotic if i discuss it here, so i will not but those who know they know... Same is for touch and shape of it... For taste, again please be scientific about this, as its ph is acidic in nature, and that amount of acidity is not good for body intake (all students of naturopathy will also know what i mean by intake of Alakli and Acidic Food in right quantities) For Smell, well those of you who might have been near such a woman (in natural state, without the so called pads used these days), are well aware what its like, not good most of times. At physical level, that blood a body's biological waste and menstruation is a time for even physical purification. ------- Changes in Energy Body (Praanmaya Kosh) The energy body or the Praanmaya Kosha, the source of body vitality, during menstruation undergoes a low. If you consider the states of energy level in a woman, then there are highs and lows (scientifically you call them Crests and Troughs of wave). For those who are clairvoyant and can actually see auras, they can see lots of grey and dullness in a womans aura during those days. Try cleansing her with a Aura stick (its a special type of Quart crystal with mixture of 7 other small crystals) and you will see almost no effect. Or you can use other means like Krillian Photography. And apart from that, you talk to the women themseleves to get the answer about their energy level, most feel weak during that period... some even feel hurt at certain body parts. For example: As doctor, i remember one woman telling me she feels as if someone has hit her with a hammer on her head during the first two days. On physical level i would answer this something like lack of proper diet or exercise or hereditary thing... but at energy level, one knows its because of too much loss of energy from the higher chakra (agya chakra near brain in her case). Energy Body deals with the 7 Chakras (Energy Ganglions/Centers) and the Nadi Tantrika (Venular System) (Note : Most of the Nadi as taught in Nadi System are actually not physical Nadis, they dont have physical existence rather they serve as energy paths, this is true for even the 14 Nadis for passing Kundalini, out of which Ida Pingla and Sushmana is main... and being at level of Etheric Body, they are directly related to the Bio-magnetism of each bipolar cell and hence whole body) Basically there is outward movement of negative prana during this period, this outwards flow doesnt aid more prana/vitality in one of those 14 nadis, doesnt aid spiritual growth. Thats why its best time for women to rest. 2) At Mental Level (This means Astral and Mental Body) ------- Changes in Astral Body (Manomaya Kosh) Astral Body means the Emotional Body, the emotional self of a woman... no matter how well placed she may be in life, does undergo a turmoil during this time. I am not saying all of them become sad and depressed, but the " tendency " is far greater. I give you very practical example: I am hypnotherapist and Past Life Therapist also, I deal with clients, and most of them tend to be female clients, and when they come to me, people come with their issues... First a note, although on surface people may come with problems like lack of money success respect etc in life, but deep down every ones sadness comes from some or other emotional issue. Getting back to the female clients, i see many burst up in tears as they talk to me while even describing their problems. Well most people here with average level of understanding of human mind will say women are like that... soft and emotional... (the truth is, in reality half men are more woman in a mans skin.... and half women turn out to be men in womans skin!) but that crap apart, real point i want impress upon here is, i am usually able to tell if a woman is undergoing her menses or not. Now Note : Try and see this, take any woman as sample and make notes of her emotional highs and lows, you WILLL find that at the 3rd day of her menses, her emotional extremes are at all time highs. And i deal with them differently during those days, hence my success rate is much higher than even other doctors. (This 3 day thing is actually a very secret thing as it also deals with sex cycle of people but thats out of scope of this article for now. ) Basically, during the menses, if all other external factor are kept constant, then a woman undergoes highest emotional extreme for same memory or stimuli. This emotional instability is not conducive for concentrated spiritual growth. ------- Changes in Mental Body (Causal body = Kaaran Deh) Mental Body means the Thought structure, and one should remember thoughts are the creators of Emotions. This is an aspect of the Higher Mental body (Manas Tatva). So what happens to womens thought structure during menstruation? From a clairvoyant point of view, each body is healthy when it seen as with clear shape, clear boundary and shiny surface, more shiny white the better. The practical implication of this state for mental body means that the thought structure is organized and tightly held, its like if you have an office drawer, then all the files are kept in right place and are arranged properly according to their alphabets. But during menstrual period, there occurs irregularity in the boundary of the Mental Body (becomes something like an Amoeba) Implication of this change in state is that the arrangement of thought structure goes haywire a little and hence this could lead to a self lost and forgetful self. Plus since the boundary becomes loose, its more prone to external attack. Think of this situation as something like a space ship traveling in space, it faces many meteors, asteroids... mostly small ones, hence the outer surface of the space ships needs to be strong enough to avoid damage to internal structure.... similarly, traveling in the mental plane such loose mental body comes across many thoughts, and its liable to be impacted by them lot more. And mind you, there are many advanced evil sources in universe who keep waiting to take advantage of people with loose auras and mental body. So what can it be like forgetting something during your ritual kriya and being distracted by some foreign negative thoughts? Ofcoz not good, chances of success are reduced. 3) At Spiritual Level (This Means Free Will Body And Super-Causal Body) ------- Changes in Free Will Body (Vigyanmaya Kosh) Free Will Body primarily deals with ones ability to Choose... because free will is to choose and stick to something. This is an aspect of the Intellect (Buddhi Tatava). By free will people choose their beliefs, thoughts, and even emotions hence its very important. So what happens to women's decision making ability during menstruation? Firstly, they tend to slow down in decision making process. Secondly, because of low energy, they even try to avoid doing critical decision making and hence are liable to more mistakes... as they can be in a haste to avoid loss of even more energy in an attempt to concentrate. Again, these two factors are not conducive for choosing right spiritual path or sticking to it. ------- Changes in Super Causal Body (Maha Kaaran Deh) The Super causal body means the Subtle Ego of the " I " ness in a person. It is the most subtle body but most important one as this is the first one to even seprate your identity from supreme Spirit (god / brahma/ shiva/ consciousness). When one says " I " then its subtle ego, infact he doesnt say he only gets a feeling, when one can say " I am " then its Gross Ego When one can say " I am .. great, best... blah blah " then that is Super Ego So please understand, here we are talking of the most subtle part of ones being, not the gross or the inflated ego as people usually understand by word Ego. This is the absolute core nature of a soul which even determines the nature of that souls free will body... and by understanding this you can even get an answer to the question " " Why his/her free will was to choose to " that " thing and stick to " that or other " thing.. " . This body comprises of the 3 absolute basic Tatvas (components/elements) of Prakriti (the Shakti of Shiva, Mother Nature or scientifically you can say divine feminine energy surrounding pure consciousness) Sattva = Purity of Divine (Godly) Knowlege and Light Raja = Action and Passion energy, the fuel Tama = The Slowness, grossness, heaviness Actually examining these three is difficult, a common man just cannot comprehend this idea in practicality as there is no way to see these Tatvas with these two eyes. Infact even with the sutble third eye, its not easy. So being a clairvoyant is also not a gaurantee of having ability to read things at this level. That is why the spirituality in the rest of world is little different than ours because they could never go beyond the mental body or atmost just touched the free will body at times... but they could not go beyond to the more subtle super casual body. There maybe heads of different religions or Shamans or pagans or witches who have had clairvoyance to actively cath even ghosts or find lost items/person and do those kind of things... but their level of the Sixth sense is not high enough to understand things at the depth of Tri-Guna. So basically its the most subtle topic and explaining this so called " rationally " to someone with even clairvoyance is very difficult... and explaining to a physical level atheist is most difficult, almost impossible unless a master chooses to do it by force by focing off effect of maya from his all 7 bodies. Its simply the most difficult to explain rationally as its beyond the Intellect (Buddhi Tatva) Itself, and the fact is, deep down till a person Intellect doesn't approve of something, its not believed in, so some rational intellectual understand to some level is must for real happy understanding and following. For example, telling someone why a banana is Satvik while why an Onion is Rajsik is difficult... when a master will tell to change diet like this, for most part such rules will only feel like forceful blind following Still most of us can " Infer " this by our intellect... actually inferences can be made right from Energy Body upwards as beyond the physical level itself people dont see physical changes and dont believe... hence have to infer logically someway to ascertain themselves, but at this level even inferring is difficult. See, most of the times, the intellect and knowledge of a person also can serve as a third eye. Anyhow, i had to give this extended prelude to this body because peoples practical knowledge at this level is slim to none and these things may be hard to digest and believe at one go. So what happens to a woman's Super Causal Body during her mestural Period? There is increase in the Raja and Tama Gunas. Now increase in Raja and Tama is inversely proportionate to the Spiritual Growth of a soul. And whats the Spiritual Growth? Spiritual Growth is basically rise of level of conscious, that means moving towards the " Spirit " (the pure consciousness, the god within thats actually universal) as a result of which knowledge and purity is gained. So spiritual growth gives increase in Sattvikta and increase in Sattvikta aids spiritual growth. (Please note: Acting sattvik by forcing sattvik rules on oneself can be aiding increase of sattvikta but not increase in sattvikta itself... and this forcing of sattvik rules can work only if energy (prakriti)is given new route and direction like doing kriya.... but if there is no kriya, then it can become repression. Increase in sattvikta is inferred by the change at the instinct level, not just at knowledge or intellect level of a person... infact a very Tamsik evil person can be very spiritually knowledgeable and intelligent person with lot of control on mind and even intellect body but his ego will be super inflated causing farthest distance from spirit (God) giving unhappiness, hence low ego and pure instincts over a time is real test of sattvikta) So basically, this period of menstruation is not conducive for spiritual growth of a woman. At this point, few important points need to be cleared And Please remember, changes ALWAYS start from higher plane (having higher body) to lower ones, thats the law of universe A change in Super Casual Induces Change in Free Will Body A change in Free Will Body Induces Change in Mental Body A change in Mental Body Induces Change in Astral body A Change in Astral Body Induces Change In Etheric Body A change in Ehteric Body Induces Change in Physical Body In this article i have started explaining things from the Physical body and then moved upwards, but that's only for the sake of explaining things in a better way. Moving from a gross physical level that is easily believable to subtle level of understanding which is lesser believable... Or else, even in case of menstruation, First there will be increase in Tama and Raja in Super Causal That will lead to slowness and bipolarism in decision making of free will body That will lead to lack arrangement and looseness in mental body That will lead to emotional extremes That will lead to low energy (as it is most will be consumed in controlling the extremes) That will lead to physical lowness or illness if any (like cramps hot flush in old age) And having a male or a female body is in itself something at the level Super-causal body because it is chosen in the higher spiritual realm after every death. So please also understand Brain (Physical Level thing) does not control the mind... Mind controls the Brain. Hormones dont control the emotions... emotions control the Hormones. At even deeper level, genes dont decide the nature of soul... the nature of soul decides the gene and heredity for its purpose in this life. These are just one of the many things which our so called new age doctors/scientists will learn in a while. It is only when people see physical level changes that they become aware, and if changes are negative... like a disease originating in physical body or problem of money marriage etc in physical life, that they get alarmed and start to panic. See although one can start from Physical side also, trying to induce changes upto the higher bodies... but from my shere experience and teaching of many masters, i can assure you that in more than 70% cases that doesnt work because more than 70% health problems also have root in astral or higher bodies. If disease or injury was only due to physical level root cause then it can be cured or else it will only be repressed to show up in a new and more horrible way soon after. For example, see result of any anti depressant medicine. After a while their effect starts diminishing... same is for most heart medicines... or insulin for diabetes... the list is endless as number of repressed diseases is countless. Until and unless the root cause in higher bodies is solved, the physical body will remain ill! Atmost people can control these at the physical level with physical medicine, but never be relieved of them, higher bodies will keep finding new ways of physically manifesting their problems. Even Hath Yoga is seemingly an attempt to start from physical level but it has some hidden subtle aspects that directly deal with Shiva Tatava as well, thats why hath yoga may work as a path for someone with more gross physical level consciousness, but that is because of its conjugation with higher bodies allingment procedure on the Hara line (spinal cord you can say). Like Controlling body to control self is Gross (totally voluntary) Controlling breath to control self is mild cross (breathing is voluntary and involuntary) Controlling eye to control self is subtle (as eye blinking is deep involuntary than breathing) Controlling directly thoughts to control self is more subtle. But even while trying to concentrate on controlling body through asana, focus is kept on breath hence on mind and thought, thats why it works more than a mere gymnasium exercise. ------- Changes in Seventh Spirit Body = The Spirit No Changes, this body never changes. Infact its not someone's body... its the universal body, god itself. Its the universe itself, its at point of unity. There is no " I' at this point. It never changes, this is the supreme brahma or Shiva tatva or pure conscious, it was same since creation of universe and will always remain a same truth even during life of universe and even after its dissolution. - - So that's it for the Journey through the introduction of 7 spiritual bodies and about facts/impacts on changes that women undergo during mensturation in not just physical but all 7 spiritual bodies (actually 7th one remains constant, ) Okay getting back to spritual level understanding of Mensturation I will copy paste some parts from Vigyran Bhairav Tantra's Osho Illustration (Chapter 22) (Note : In this paragraph, wherever the word Tantra is written, it is meant to denote Agam Tantra... Vaam Marga type of Tantra) - - - ------- For example, Buddha resisted the temptation to initiate women for many years. So much pressure was put upon him; still he would reject this. Ultimately he agreed to initiate women, but then he said, " Now my religion will not be alive after five hundred years; I have compromised. But because you are forcing me, I will initiate women. " (And so it happened! Buddhism did spread all over the world even after 500 years but lost its ground in its home India... although normal human mind will see that as because of Indian history where hindus again became alive and all... but in reality, a mind understanding the spiritual root cause will know how such a wide spread change is possible, Lord buddha was not ordinary soul, he could foresee, he is still the Master of Kaal Chakra in Siddhashram/Shangreela/Gyan Ganj... and frankly speaking, highest master i have known) What was the reason why he would not initiate women? One basic reason was this: with man, sexual energy can be regulated very easily. A man can become a celibate very easily. With a woman's body it is difficult because menses is a regular phenomenon -- unconscious, uncontrollable, non-voluntary. Semen ejaculation can be controlled, but menses cannot be controlled. Or, if one tries to control it, then it will have very bad effects on the body. The moment a woman enters her period of menses, her aura changes completely: it becomes sexual, aggressive, depressed, all that is negative surrounds the woman, and this happens every month. Only because of this Buddha was not ready to initiate women. He said that it was difficult because every month the menses moves in a circle, periodically, and nothing can be done voluntarily. Something can be done, but it was difficult to do that in Buddha's time. Now it can be done. Mahavir completely denied any possibility of a woman being liberated from a woman's body. He said that a woman has to be born again as a man, and only then can she be liberated. So all the effort should be channeled for a woman to enter a new birth as a man. Why? It was a problem of the aura. If you initiate a woman, every month she will fall down and the whole effort will be lost. There was no discrimination, no evaluation about whether or not woman and man are equal; that was not the question. But for Mahavir the question was this: how to help? So he found an easier way: to help a woman to be reborn as a man. That was easier. It meant that a woman had to wait for another life, and the whole effort had to be directed toward the goal that she should be born in a male body. This appeared easier to Mahavir than to initiate a woman, because every month she comes back down to the original state and all effort is lost. But these two thousand years have done much. Particularly, tantra has done much. Tantra has found different doors, and tantra is the only system in the world which makes no differentiation between man and woman. Rather, on the contrary, it says that a woman can become easily liberated, and the reason is the same, only looked at from a different angle. Tantra says that because a woman's body is periodically regulated, she can detach herself from her body more easily than man. Because man's mind is more involved in the body, that is why he can regulate it. Man's mind is more involved in the body; that is why he can control his sex. Woman's mind is not so involved in the body. The body functions as an automata -- different, on a different layer, and the woman cannot do anything about it. It is like an automatic mechanism; it goes on. Tantra says that because of this woman can detach herself from her body very easily. And if this becomes possible -- this detachment, this gap -- then there is no problem. So it is a very paradoxical thing: if a woman decides to be celibate and to detach herself from her body, she can maintain her purity more easily than a man. Once the detachment is there, then she can forget the body completely. Man can detach himself very easily, can control very easily, but his mind is more involved in the body. That is why he can control, but then he will have to control every day, continuously. And because feminine sex is passive, it is very easy for a woman to be relaxed about sex. Man's sex is active. It is easy for him to control it, but difficult for him to relax about it. So tantra has been trying to find many, many ways, and tantra is the only system which says there is no difference, that even a feminine structure can be used. So tantra is the only path which gives women equal status. Otherwise, every religion, whatsoever it may say, deep down feels that women are inferior. It may be Christianity, it may be Islam, it may be Jainism, it may be Buddhism, but deep down it feels this, and the reason is the diagnosis through the third eye, the aura -- the forming of the aura every month at the time of menses. ----------- - - Now after the copy paste, i will have to talk ahead... and practically explain a little about the Vaam Marga Impact People have morality ideas related everything in life... but mostly they are stupid borrowed ideas, borrowed from society and others, not from self acquired wisdom and rationalizing. At this depth Tantra will ask " How do you define and classify Good Vs Bad " " How do you define and classiy holy vs unholy " Well the usual answer will be, that which is Sattvik is good and that which is Tamsik is bad... and this answer is still vague and mostly a borrowed knowledge, because most people cannot even tell why exactly Satvikta is good, they havent even thought about it themselves... only learnt in books. The very basic philosophy of Vaam Maarga Tantra (Left hand Path of Tantra) propogates that everything is created by god (even so called Tamsikta), eveything is positive and can be used for spiritual growth. One has to use what one has with least mouldings or none at times. Vaam Marga Tantra emphasizes on using what one has... best way to use available resources and even mindset. Even the so called Tamsikta and evil instincts can be used. Actualy the real teachings of Vaam Marga Tantra are strictly kept secrect, very very secret and its is so because of few reasons 1) To Avoid Misuse of this knowledge (especially easy to use Shatkarma) 2) Even Masters fear that due to grip of Maya (Great Illusion), disciples may end up becoming more Tamsik and lost in maya while practicing Rajasik-Tamsik type rituals without masters direct guidance. This in result will increae more Tamsikta in the environment.. and it will be like chain reaction, something like uranium 238 nuclear fission reaction. One misguided disciple will misguide three other... and each one of the three other will misguide three more... so it becomes a dangerous cycle which is difficult to control. The place of menstruation period of a woman is of prime important in the Vaam Tantra. From a tantra masters point of view, even the Tamas and Rajas generated during this time can be used positively. A point to remember, since spiritual journey is from Tama to Sattva, there does come phase of Raja in between... and infact Rajas (passion) is the fuel for both directions... it is the fuel for changing direction also. So even if one wants change direction from Tama to Sattva, he will have to live through Raja in a proper manner. The menstural period also provides such opportunity. To emphasize on this fact, i would like to directly give example of 51 Shakti Peeth out of which the main is Kaamroop Kamakhya Peeth in Guwahati city in Assam, India I think most people here know something about it, and especially that this the place where the Yoni part of Devti Sati fell when she was cut in 51 peices. Infact this is the oldest shakti peeth and believed to precede even the event of Devi Sati burning herself up in Yog-Agni as she could not hear insult of her husband Shiva from her father Daksha and then she being get cut in 51 pieces by Shiva to relieve her misery. Infact the main worship in the Kamakhya happens when the mother is supposed to be undergoing her menstrual Period in summer... during that period greatest of Vaam Marhi Sadhnas are done and at the end of her menstruation, the red cloth having her blood is considered most holy and auspicious for providing countless sidhis, infact all sidhis. (At level of physical science, that red water is ferous oxide, like in rusting red iron, but it happens naturally that during that time of year in summer that ferrous oxide flows there) For those wanting to know indepth secrets should read Kamakhya Rahsya There under the headings of vaam-achar or Kula-achar, you can read more about Yaamal Tantra (techniques for Raja Predominant person) Damar Tantra (Techniques for Tama Predominant person) And even Aghore Pantha at places... At this point, let me also clarify point related to Purity in temples... well the point is, basically in most temples a dakshin margi (right hand path) tradition is followed... Its not that the deity itself discriminates or somewhere deep down feels that a menstruating woman is lower... it is just that if you are following a dakshin marga approach and then do something against rules of that path, then that agitates the deity. You should stick one path and not be confused with different rules of two different paths. If you go to the real site of Vaam Margi worship, then instead of being a burden such a woman is boon. Thats why for some Vaam Margi rituals specifically a mensturating woman is required. And same is true for your house also, you have to decide which path you are following which way and then set rules accordingly. So remember, like for everything else in life, being good or bad , it all depends on your choice of spiritual path and choice thoughts, but you must make one clear choice after all considerations and then stick to it! This is a situation which most of us men cannot neglect as except for alone living renunciates, rest of us will encounter it in someway or other, either your mother or sister or wife or daughter can be the one undergoing her period in a house... How do you deal with them? I personally dont like the idea of treating women almost as untouchables during that time... or them feeling like inferior like that. I firmly believe, even in those times all due respects and love should be shown even if you are following a dakshin marga sadhna as purity is in the mind... and so is for showing respect and love. And now coming to most refined point, coming to the female spiritual aspirants themselves (sadhikas), how do they deal with their periods?, Again it first depends upon the path they have chosen for themselves see most of the men practicing tantra also would also atmost try to respect women because they can be someway or other be " used " as a stepping stone to spiritual success... it may be normal earth woman or Bhairvi or Kinnari or Yakshani or angels like Apsara... the attitude remains to get their help, atmost in a bit more respectful way. But very few men would actually consider making this so called " stepping stone " a real spiritual partner... to make sure she also gets as much spiritual progress in her life as the man himself. I have encountered this question especially while dealing with western women or women with western impact as they tend to live alone and independent, and they also want their own spiritual upliftment. If they go by yogic method alone, then definitely at one point they get stuck. At this point mind you, female aspirants using Tantra for material gains like in society, relationships for money wealth fame etc is one thing... that way they can also follow most dakshin marga rules and become great adepts of many types tantras and mantras... but a female aspirant using Tantra for the purpose of spiritual growth, mental cleansing and rise of kundalini, that is other thing. A very deep and subtle change needs to happens in a female structure to allow spiritual progress, and in their case is doest not... cannot happen by " controlled direction " itself, it is more of a surrender thing. And there are tantras that teach those techniques which make them go to a point of easy surrender, after all that surrendering is the final thing in any path, the cleansing of supercausal body, loss of I. So while a man practices his spiritual practice, he can also encourage and help her in her own spiritual path. A man and woman are supposed to be other halves of each other, spiritual partners (going in same or similar direction, same spiritual path), best friends for life. If that's not so, not they are burden to each other. I hope i have made the spiritual science behind menstruation clear... And how it can be negative and how it can positive for men And how it can be positive for female aspirants. I tired to answer from my level of knowledge, sorry i missed something somewhere, feel free to ask anything more related to this. Light and Love With Regards Dr Himanshu Gurudevo Maheshwaro Namo Namah , " N.E. Subhramaniyam " <nes50 wrote: > > Jai maa Jaya Durga, > Well said.Actually there is lot of negative energy when a woman is in her periods and this can affect the power of deity.The yantras are written after a lot of recitals and pran prathisht is done.That is why even a man without taking bath and wearing clothes which he wore in his bed timeor whicis not pure is prohibited from entering the temple.In the sanctum Santoram only lamp with oil is allowed .no electric light is to be provided there though to day we do it all the time. > The sabari malai temple in Kerala the ghee for abhisheka is carried in a coconut.The reason is in those days when no transport was availble and no facilities were there carrying the ghee in any other form will make it impure and the deity's power starts decreasing when anointed with ghee.so a method was found to kep it pure..In any temple more than the idol the pran pratishth yantra under the idol is what gives the power.same thing holds for dead person's house also.what he has said we still observe.The dead soul hangs around and starts moving after the 12 th day ceremony.13th day is purification and new clothes etc are given.the time plane is different.our one year is one day for them.So Shradh is giving a daily food and amavasya day the argya is water to quench the thirst.The soul may take some times more time to find a yoni where he can burn part of his accumulated karma.That is why we should strive to ensure atleast this birth we do right karma and > do not add to back log which we are not aware.But all of us must have done some good karma to aleast engage in such thinking while millions still continue to do what they feel is happines. > Really great that our friends in Fiji are following the tradions and procedures so well even though they are far away and only with their elders to guide them. > Regards > > > ________________________________ > tonysinha91 <tsinha1 > > Friday, 19 June, 2009 5:35:58 AM > Re: maa kaali mantra > > > > > > - > Namaskaram Gopalji, > > I remember my aajaji who was Shiva bhakth would not allow the women in our temple who were going through their mensus until 9 days were over. This i personally couldn't understand when i was younger but i finally asked him for an explaination he then told me son our devi dewata's are pavitr sooth ke samaan and gandhgi or dirtiness will make them leave the temple and then we have to do a purification ritual by washing and sprinkling the whole temple with hardipani and then call back the devi dewatas asking for forgiveness. My aajaji used to put a flower on mata Durga before starting his puja and if mata durga didn't give him the flower as a asirvaad within 10 minutes > he will know that someone in the temple was there having her mensus. > > He then would give a big lecture on purification and as coming to temple for darshan was considered doing an actual tirath yatra. > > So the logic is simple we cannot face our devi dewatas in unpure form > and our basic health function is to take bath, put on clean clothes and eat sathvik bhojan before going to a temple. > > About returning from cremation ground though it is the purest place > for sadhana once we reach home inour country the family members used to light fire with a few pieces of log and each of us were to flash our hands over the fire to purify ourselves and to send back any spirits which we unknowling may have picked up from the creamtion ground. We then have to discard our clothes and take a shower in the outside bathroom and wear new clothes to enter the house. > > The dead person's house in considered un pure for thirteen days because his rhu in hanging on a pepal tree awaiting the brahman bhooj day when after the havan then only his rhu is freed to go to chitragupt for a trial with god and thereafer, he goes to another yoni depending on his karma earned while on earth. That is the reason why the house is considered impure even during these 13 days we read Gita and do sankalap each day so that the departed soul can pass the veitarni easily. > > I hope this will clarify any doubts, though i am not an expert on this subject i am simply relating what my aajaji taught me. Remember we are so far away from India in the middle of the south pacfic ocean. We didn't have any rishies or yogis or learned vedic teachers in our country to teach us religion. So whatever we learnt is from our ancestors and we keep it very dear to our hearts.In my case my aajaji was my teacher and took place of a guru as well. > > SHIVADASA BHARADWAJ > FIJI ISLANDS > > -- In @ s.com, gopal narayan <gopalnarayan123@ ...> wrote: > > > > i said its preferred. > > > > i dont know why,it is passed on from elders to me,so > > i said it. > > > > in some vaam margi upasana,the yoni of a mentruating woman > > is worshipped and abhishek is done on it,i had participated > > in 1 such pooja long time ago.the mantras were some > > specific beej mantras which cant be openly discussed. > > > > the presiding deity being mother kaamyoni herself > > and it was a very powerful and unique experience. > > > > in all probability the word : rajaswala sheds some > > light on it. > > > > when woman is in her reproductive mode,her hormones > > maybe cause her to have a rajssic nature and her > > desire for mating may increase. > > > > maybe this cud be a reason why her aura-vibrations > > maybe changed thus she maybe not allowed near > > the altar. > > > > similarly when someone goes to cremation ground and returns > > he is not supposed to be near pooja area for 1-3 days. > > > > also when someone dies they do not do pooja etc form 11-13 days. > > > > maybe it cud be that some aura changes > > etc maybe occuring.but i have no real answer. > > > > i am sorry i cant reply properly. > > > > so it is not discrimination against women alone per se. > > > > beside this when a man is gruhasta,whe his wife is > > rajaswala,he is also not supposed to do entire pooja but > > can do naman to the god only. > > > > in my house itself we follow this. > > > > > > om shakti > > > > gopal > > > > > > > > > > On 6/16/09, Sreekumar <nairvps@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Gopalji, > > > > > > could you please explain the reason in detail behind obstructing women near > > > the altar during menstrual period? > > > > > > sreekumar > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 3:31 PM, gopal narayan <gopalnarayan123@ ... > > > > wrote: > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> there r many mantra of maa kaali. > > >> > > >> i will show u simple but very powerful mantra. > > >> > > >> > > >> kreem kreem kreem dakshin kaalikayey swaha > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> it is small but a very pwoerful mantra. > > >> > > >> one must be pure vegetarian,no smoke,no drink, > > >> no lies,no stealing and no bad habits. > > >> > > >> do on white sphatik,or red mala.do pooja > > >> of mala also if possible beofre starting > > >> pooja first time. > > >> > > >> > > >> face east or south. > > >> > > >> use red asan if possible. > > >> > > >> before and after doing jap pray to mataji. > > >> > > >> also if possible do kaali kavach like jaganmangal- kavach > > >> and also tantroktam ratri suktam from sri durga saptashati. > > >> > > >> finally always end yr pooja with siddhkunjika stotram. > > >> > > >> offer some milk and dry fruit or some some fruit to mataji > > >> everyday morning and evening.and eat and also give to all family > > >> as prasad. > > >> > > >> if some lady in home is in menstruation cycle pls dont let them near > > >> to mataji sthan or near the altar. > > >> > > >> be very careful and maa will bless definately as we r all > > >> her humble loving and innocent children. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> om shakti > > >> > > >> gopal > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> On 6/15/09, VISHAL THACKER <thackers_1@ ...> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Dear Gopalji, > > >>> > > >>> can you kindly share the maa kali mantra with me. > > >>> > > >>> Being a bhakt of maa shakti i want to do the mantra chanting and have > > >>> blessing of maa kali. > > >>> > > >>> Regards > > >>> > > >>> VT > > >>> > > >>> ------------ --------- --------- > > >>> @ s.com > > >>> sumanenthiran@ ... > > >>> Sat, 13 Jun 2009 14:54:59 +0000 > > >>> Re: Maha Kali Sadhana > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Dear Gopal, > > >>> thanks for the reply, I feel the energy during & after the sadhana, also > > >>> my feeling it is developing confidence and the mind power. > > >>> > > >>> Many thanks > > >>> > > >>> Suman > > >>> > > >>> @ s.com, gopal narayan <gopalnarayan123@ > > > >>> wrote: > > >>> > > > >>> > dear friend, > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > i am doing maa kaali mantra for meditation > > >>> > and its very peace and love giving and > > >>> > wonderful. > > >>> > > > >>> > i feel warm,loved and very energised. > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > om shakti > > >>> > > > >>> > gopal > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > On 6/11/09, sumanenthiran <sumanenthiran@ > wrote: > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > Dear Gurubhais, > > >>> > > > > >>> > > I was initiated by thirimoorty Gurudev N.K Shrimaliji on the Mahakali > > >>> > > mahavidya. Now I started the Lahu-Anushtan of the Mahakali Sadhana, > > >>> any > > >>> > > brothers or sisters can you contribute your experience in this > > >>> sadhana to > > >>> > > me. I have a some questions to start this discussion. > > >>> > > 1. what are the prayoga of the Mahakali Sadhana? > > >>> > > 2. if any Gurubahi doing this Sadhana? > > >>> > > > > >>> > > hope your interesting feedbacks, > > >>> > > > > >>> > > Jai Ma! > > >>> > > > > >>> > > Jai Gurudev > > >>> > > > > >>> > > Suman > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website. Enter http://cricket. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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