Explanation of Metre of Mantra, Kar Nyasa, Anga Nyasa

August 27, 2009

Respected Gurubhais,

Jai Gurudev!

Can one of you please tell me what exactly you mean by the " metre " of a mantra?

And how is its knowledge useful for japa of that mantra?

Secondly, can someone please explain " how " exactly one should do Kar Nyasa and

Anga Nyasa? Do we need to use special mudras while doing these? Do we need to

" physically " touch the body parts or just " mentally " picture the same?

If you can be kind enough to explain some of the not-so-commonly known body

parts such as " tuft " , " crown " etc, it would be really very helpful...

Any additional information on the general preliminary procedures before

commencing on a particular sadhana is also very welcome.

Awaiting your enlightening answers.

Warm Regards,

Buddha

August 31, 2009

Shree Gurucharan Kamlebhyo Namah

I remember such question being asked before... and being answered before, so i

will suggest you go through these two posts, if you still have anymore queries,

then put them here.

1) Example of Maha Mrityunjaya Sadhna

http://www.siddhashram.org/s20001167.shtml

2) One of older posts regarding matter that inerests you

/message/12469

I hope that solves things.

Jay Gurudev

, " silver_rhine " <buddhadevpc wrote:

>

> Respected Gurubhais,

>

> Jai Gurudev!

>

> Can one of you please tell me what exactly you mean by the " metre " of a

mantra? And how is its knowledge useful for japa of that mantra?

>

> Secondly, can someone please explain " how " exactly one should do Kar Nyasa and

Anga Nyasa? Do we need to use special mudras while doing these? Do we need to

" physically " touch the body parts or just " mentally " picture the same?

>

> If you can be kind enough to explain some of the not-so-commonly known body

parts such as " tuft " , " crown " etc, it would be really very helpful...

>

> Any additional information on the general preliminary procedures before

commencing on a particular sadhana is also very welcome.

>

> Awaiting your enlightening answers.

>

> Warm Regards,

> Buddha

>

September 4, 2009

Dear Gurubhai/Bahan,

Jai Gurudev!

There is one "Utkeelan Vidhi" mentioned on page 208 of "Mantra Rahashya" book written by Gurudev. It is given in Sanskrit. Starts with Parvati Uvachya then Shiv Uvachya. Can any one of the group who knows Sanskrit explain it in Hindi/English. Further, there is "mool mantra" given but where it ends is not clear. There are few mantras marked as stanza 1, 2, ....10 is that also part of mool mantra. Again how many times to recite the mool mantra..

Please see the sanskrit text and explain if it is explained there.

Further, on page 203 something regarding Utkeelan written again in sanskrit please explain that too.

If desired, the explanation can be posted on group, if not, I request to send it to me on my mail id.Thanks in advance for the help.

Regards,

Lamber Singh--- On Mon, 31/8/09, scorpion_1112in <scorpion_1112in wrote:

scorpion_1112in <scorpion_1112in Re: Explanation of Metre of Mantra, Kar Nyasa, Anga Nyasa Date: Monday, 31 August, 2009, 2:10 PM

Shree Gurucharan Kamlebhyo NamahI remember such question being asked before... and being answered before, so i will suggest you go through these two posts, if you still have anymore queries, then put them here.1) Example of Maha Mrityunjaya Sadhnahttp://www.siddhash ram.org/s2000116 7.shtml2) One of older posts regarding matter that inerests youhttp://groups. / group// message/12469I hope that solves things.Jay Gurudev@ s.com, "silver_rhine" <buddhadevpc@ ...> wrote:>> Respected Gurubhais,>

> Jai Gurudev!> > Can one of you please tell me what exactly you mean by the "metre" of a mantra? And how is its knowledge useful for japa of that mantra?> > Secondly, can someone please explain "how" exactly one should do Kar Nyasa and Anga Nyasa? Do we need to use special mudras while doing these? Do we need to "physically" touch the body parts or just "mentally" picture the same? > > If you can be kind enough to explain some of the not-so-commonly known body parts such as "tuft", "crown" etc, it would be really very helpful...> > Any additional information on the general preliminary procedures before commencing on a particular sadhana is also very welcome.> > Awaiting your enlightening answers.> > Warm Regards,> Buddha>

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September 4, 2009

Shree Guru Charan Kamlebhyo Namah

Fine then, lets start with revision of general structure of a Mantrokt Sadhna

1) First of all, before any mantra chanting, you have to hold water in a

teaspoon or palm, announce these parts of a mantra, and then at end of it, let

water flow on earth, as symbolic of the resolution being absorbed by earth and

cosmos.

Parts of Viniyog are

a) Rishi (Seer who first attained or mastered the mantra)

b) Chhand (meter of mantra = pattern of pronunciation)

c) Devta (Deity)

d) Beej (seed, power source of mantra)

e) Shakti (enhancing power, like to mature the seed)

f) Keelak (unlocking password)

g) Abheesht Arth (your purpose of chanting)

After Viniyog Comes Nyas = Establishment of Divine Energies in body parts

2) Rishi Nyas (Divine Grace establishment of parts of viniyog)

3) Kar Nyas (Energy Establishment in Fingers)

4) Hridi/Shad-Anga Nyas (Energy Establishment in 6 Body parts)... Then other

types of Nyas if need be, especially Dig Nyas (10 direction locking by

establishing energies in 10 directions around you)

5) Then Comes Dhyan (Meditation on Image of Deity with apt dhyan mantra)

6) Then Comes Avahan (Invoking the main deity in corresponding idol or picture

or yantra of that particlular mantra)

7) Then Mudra (Hand or body posture to please the deity)

8) Then Shakti Peeth Puja and/or Yantra Avaran Puja if need be

9) Then Puja (making offerings, 5 or 16 or 18... 64)

10) Then Mantra Japa (Chanting)

11) Then Stotra (hymn to please deity)

12) Then kavach (wearing astral amour by special hymn)

13) Then Shama Prathna (ask for forgiveness)

14) Finally, jal or prasad Vitran (distributing water or offering left after

ritual)

-

Quick Points

Chhand or meter of mantra is the pattern of pronunciation, Knowledge of meter of

a mantra is of paramount importance, because unless you know the right

pronunciation of mantra, everything ahead of that, no matter how precise other

parts of ritual maybe, the whole ritual of mantra sadhna will be a failure.

And yes, nyas is a must, infact a double must when you add something in viniyog

as a specific purpose, because its well know fact, when you just say " to please

diety i chant " , then you may skip nyas and other procedure, but when you say " to

please this deity and get this wish fulfilled " , then it becomes Sakaam prathna

(prayer with desire), then sadhna becomes a kalisht and mantra becomes your

enemy, would even try to give you physical discomfort by the vibrations if you

dont have proper grace of your guru and nyas of seers, so one has to be very

careful.

Thats why, even before Viniyog of main mantra, consider Guru, Ganesh and Kul

deva pujan a must, it may be very short but consider it a must.

Procedure and Mudra for doing nyas differs from mantra to mantra, but usually

the tip of five fingers like in " Shukri Mudra " is used to physically touch the

body parts and then imagine energy flow with the mantra vibration

Rishi Nyas is usually*

(Shir) Forehead for Seer (Rishi)

(Mukh) Mouth for Meter (Chhand)

(Hridi) Heart for Deity (Devta)

(Guhya) Genital for Seed (Beej)

(Padyo) Feet for Enhancing Power (Shakti)

(Nabho) navel for lynchpin or unlocking password (Keelak)

(Sarv Ang) Massage of all these in reverse order for Viniyog

Now again, remember i said " usually " , because for some mantra nyas for shakti is

done in genital and nyas for beej in feet... and so on, so it all varies from

mantra to mantra

Similarly, a general procedure for Anga Nyas or Varna Nyas etc cannot be given,

they vary...

If you want a precise procedure for certain mantra, then write it all, we will

all try to answer it to best of our knowledge

This should deal with Buddhas Question

-

Now coming to Lambers questions

The Sarva Mantra Tantra Yanta Utkeelan Vidhi on page 208 of book Mantra

Rahasya...

See, there are many great books on Mantra Shashtra available in market, may it

be Mantra Mahodadhi or Mantra Mahrnava or Mantra Chintamani... but that book by

Gurudev is still a stand alone book.

Lets first understand the terms correctly

Keelak = Lock n key

Keelan Vidhi = Procedure of Locking

Utkeelan Vidhi = Procedure of Unlocking

Basically you are interested in knowing the all applicable unlocking procedure,

well in that sense you fell on right spot on that page of that book, because

those 3 pages of that book are like the master key for opening any mantra,

yantra or tantra.

You want explanation or let me say the translation of sanskrit text, well

writing sanskrit part of it in english fonts here, then translating them to

hindi in english font and then translating them to english in english, that

would become quite an exercise for me or anyone!

And anyways, you need not be so curious about that sanskrti part because, like

every tantra treatise is, it always starts as a conversation between Shakti and

Shiva, where shakti asks shiva a question and shiva answers it as his master and

then tells her to keep it a secret.

Even for the sanskrit part on that page, basically mother parvati is saying all

the 7 parts of mantra are important (she names them in 2 paragraphs) , but the

keelak is most important and without is there is no siddhi (attainment) and only

shanshya (doubt), so please tell me all revealing method

Then Shiva tells method... and in the end, as always, promises this will work

for every mantra tantra and yantra.

Now coming on to the practical application of that Sarva Utkeelan Vidhi

Basically, it is recitation of a mool mantra followed by tripura stotra (thats

where you see the stanzas with numbering)

So yes, you have to read its

1) Viniyog... and especially add your purpose " like for unlocking xyz mantra

yantra "

2) Nyas (rishi, kar, anga)

3) Dhyan

4) Avahan and Sthapna

5) Mool Mantra**

This whole mantra is to be chanted once, but make sure you chant is properly, as

its written there... for example, if its written something like " " Soham (11

times), lam (11 times) " " , then dont proceed to lam till you have read soham 11

times, then finally mool mantra ends with a swaha.

6) As for the tripura stotra, reading that right after the mool mantra is a

must, as its complementary to it, it rises powers of all possible varnas

(syllables) of sanskrit, plus it does all shrap vimochan (curse removal).

Finally coming to your last point, actually what you are asking is written on

page 230 and not 203. Thats another procedure for unlocking a mantra. It

basically says

You have to write the mantra on bhoj patra with Asht Gandha ink 108 times, then

do its panchopchar puja, then offer food to brahman, then do tarpan (water

sprinkling for ancestors) in a copper plate or better in a river, that will

unlock the mantra.

-

Conclusion and Practical Hints

This depth of knowledge of parts of vinyog, nyas etc... all this required only

when you are doing some Mantrokt Sadhna.

Its not that a mantra just doesn't work without knowledge of all these parts,

because the most important point remains to be your procedure for attaining

these mantra, your purpose of using them and your procedure.

For example, many prayogs come in Mantra-Tantra-Yantra Magzine which has many

prayogs which often use many famous mantras which have their own unique viniyog

and nyas dhyan etc, but you are supposed to use those same mantras as per the

prayogs written there.

And even if you are going to do a mantrokt sadhna of some specific mantra, then

anyways you are supposed to take a diksha first, and you will be told all the

precise procedures relating to that mantra then and there itself.

Same is for lambers curiosity on keelak, because most of the times the prayogs

offered in MTY or even other books of gurudev, are usually tantrokt or sabar in

nature which do not require procedure or unlocking like in mantrokt sadhna. I am

pretty sure that in 99% cases, you wont need that all unlocking key if you are

following MTY or books or gurudev only, as techniques written there are complete

in themselves.

And even more so, a keelak is not always a one word, sometimes some special

series of words or special kriya can be a keelak or sometimes some special set

of mudras can also be a keelak, so best is to get this knowledge from Gurudev

himself.

That remains to be final word, to avoid any doubts and to get safe and sure shot

success, get it from Guru mukh.

With Regards

Himanshu

Gurudevo Maheshwaro Namo Namah

, lamber singh <vidyarthi_ls wrote:

>

> Dear Gurubhai/Bahan,

>

> Jai Gurudev!

>

> There is one " Utkeelan Vidhi " mentioned on page 208 of " Mantra Rahashya " book

written by Gurudev. It is given in Sanskrit. Starts with Parvati Uvachya then

Shiv Uvachya. Can any one of the group who knows Sanskrit explain it in

Hindi/English. Further, there is " mool mantra " given but where it ends is not

clear. There are few mantras marked as stanza 1, 2, ....10 is that also part of

mool mantra. Again how many times to recite the mool mantra.

>

> Please see the sanskrit text and explain if it is explained there.

>

> Further, on page 203 something regarding Utkeelan written again in sanskrit

please explain that too.

>

> If desired, the explanation can be posted on group, if not, I request to send

it to me on my mail id.

>

> Thanks in advance for the help.

>

> Regards,

>

> Lamber Singh

>

> --- On Mon, 31/8/09, scorpion_1112in <scorpion_1112in wrote:

>

> scorpion_1112in <scorpion_1112in

> Re: Explanation of Metre of Mantra, Kar Nyasa, Anga Nyasa

>

> Monday, 31 August, 2009, 2:10 PM

>

> Shree Gurucharan Kamlebhyo Namah

>

> I remember such question being asked before... and being answered before, so i

will suggest you go through these two posts, if you still have anymore queries,

then put them here.

>

> 1) Example of Maha Mrityunjaya Sadhna

> http://www.siddhash ram.org/s2000116 7.shtml

>

> 2) One of older posts regarding matter that inerests you

> http://groups. / group// message/12469

>

> I hope that solves things.

>

> Jay Gurudev

>

> @ s.com, " silver_rhine " <buddhadevpc@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Gurubhais,

> >

> > Jai Gurudev!

> >

> > Can one of you please tell me what exactly you mean by the " metre " of a

mantra? And how is its knowledge useful for japa of that mantra?

> >

> > Secondly, can someone please explain " how " exactly one should do Kar Nyasa

and Anga Nyasa? Do we need to use special mudras while doing these? Do we need

to " physically " touch the body parts or just " mentally " picture the same?

> >

> > If you can be kind enough to explain some of the not-so-commonly known body

parts such as " tuft " , " crown " etc, it would be really very helpful...

> >

> > Any additional information on the general preliminary procedures before

commencing on a particular sadhana is also very welcome.

> >

> > Awaiting your enlightening answers.

> >

> > Warm Regards,

> > Buddha

> >

>

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September 24, 2009

Shree Guru Charan Kamlebhyo Namah

Dear Himanshu ji,

Once again, an excellent post, very informative and did explain a lot of things

unknown to me so far. But let me come to the specific question I had in the

first place because of which I posted this query. I have read that for the

22-syllable MahaKali Mantra: " Kreem kreem kreem hum hum hreem hreem Dakshina

Kalike Kreem kreem kreem hum hum hreem hreem Svaha " , the nyasa has to be done

with the 51 letters of the Sanskrit alphabet. Because the book (Mantramahodadhi

of Mahidhara) doesn't give any more details on this. It then goes on to say how

to do the next set of nyasas. So, could you please give an idea about how this

is to be done? Or, you could perhaps detail the entire procedure for the

Mahakali sadhana?

Secondly, I have still have a doubt in my mind regarding the difference between

a " mantrokt sadhana " and a " tantrokt sadhana " . What I understand is that in the

former (mantrokt), it can be done without the use of ANY OTHER additional

materials like yantras etc, whereas for the latter (tantrokt), yantras and other

special sadhana samagri are required. Could you please correct me if I am

mistaken? Also, what are the other differences between the two? Which is easier

to gain in siddhi? And which is more powerful and effective? (though I guess

that tantrokt sadhana would be more powerful).

Thirdly, since this is the most auspicious time of Navaratri, what kind of

sadhanas are more duly effective now than at any other time of the year? Can one

do ANY kind of Shakti Sadhana now or should that be restricted only to Durga

sadhana?

Eagerly awaiting your quick reply. Wishing all Gurubhais a Very Happy Durga

Puja!

Om Shri Durgayei Namah!

Warm Regards,

Buddha

, " scorpion_1112in " <scorpion_1112in wrote:

>

> Shree Guru Charan Kamlebhyo Namah

>

> Fine then, lets start with revision of general structure of a Mantrokt Sadhna

>

> 1) First of all, before any mantra chanting, you have to hold water in a

teaspoon or palm, announce these parts of a mantra, and then at end of it, let

water flow on earth, as symbolic of the resolution being absorbed by earth and

cosmos.

>

> Parts of Viniyog are

>

> a) Rishi (Seer who first attained or mastered the mantra)

> b) Chhand (meter of mantra = pattern of pronunciation)

> c) Devta (Deity)

> d) Beej (seed, power source of mantra)

> e) Shakti (enhancing power, like to mature the seed)

> f) Keelak (unlocking password)

> g) Abheesht Arth (your purpose of chanting)

>

> After Viniyog Comes Nyas = Establishment of Divine Energies in body parts

>

> 2) Rishi Nyas (Divine Grace establishment of parts of viniyog)

>

> 3) Kar Nyas (Energy Establishment in Fingers)

>

> 4) Hridi/Shad-Anga Nyas (Energy Establishment in 6 Body parts)... Then other

types of Nyas if need be, especially Dig Nyas (10 direction locking by

establishing energies in 10 directions around you)

>

> 5) Then Comes Dhyan (Meditation on Image of Deity with apt dhyan mantra)

>

> 6) Then Comes Avahan (Invoking the main deity in corresponding idol or picture

or yantra of that particlular mantra)

>

> 7) Then Mudra (Hand or body posture to please the deity)

>

> 8) Then Shakti Peeth Puja and/or Yantra Avaran Puja if need be

>

> 9) Then Puja (making offerings, 5 or 16 or 18... 64)

>

> 10) Then Mantra Japa (Chanting)

>

> 11) Then Stotra (hymn to please deity)

>

> 12) Then kavach (wearing astral amour by special hymn)

>

> 13) Then Shama Prathna (ask for forgiveness)

>

> 14) Finally, jal or prasad Vitran (distributing water or offering left after

ritual)

>

> -

>

> Quick Points

>

> Chhand or meter of mantra is the pattern of pronunciation, Knowledge of meter

of a mantra is of paramount importance, because unless you know the right

pronunciation of mantra, everything ahead of that, no matter how precise other

parts of ritual maybe, the whole ritual of mantra sadhna will be a failure.

>

> And yes, nyas is a must, infact a double must when you add something in

viniyog as a specific purpose, because its well know fact, when you just say " to

please diety i chant " , then you may skip nyas and other procedure, but when you

say " to please this deity and get this wish fulfilled " , then it becomes Sakaam

prathna (prayer with desire), then sadhna becomes a kalisht and mantra becomes

your enemy, would even try to give you physical discomfort by the vibrations if

you dont have proper grace of your guru and nyas of seers, so one has to be very

careful.

>

> Thats why, even before Viniyog of main mantra, consider Guru, Ganesh and Kul

deva pujan a must, it may be very short but consider it a must.

>

> Procedure and Mudra for doing nyas differs from mantra to mantra, but usually

the tip of five fingers like in " Shukri Mudra " is used to physically touch the

body parts and then imagine energy flow with the mantra vibration

>

> Rishi Nyas is usually*

>

> (Shir) Forehead for Seer (Rishi)

> (Mukh) Mouth for Meter (Chhand)

> (Hridi) Heart for Deity (Devta)

> (Guhya) Genital for Seed (Beej)

> (Padyo) Feet for Enhancing Power (Shakti)

> (Nabho) navel for lynchpin or unlocking password (Keelak)

> (Sarv Ang) Massage of all these in reverse order for Viniyog

>

> Now again, remember i said " usually " , because for some mantra nyas for shakti

is done in genital and nyas for beej in feet... and so on, so it all varies from

mantra to mantra

>

> Similarly, a general procedure for Anga Nyas or Varna Nyas etc cannot be

given, they vary...

>

> If you want a precise procedure for certain mantra, then write it all, we will

all try to answer it to best of our knowledge

>

> This should deal with Buddhas Question

>

> -

>

> Now coming to Lambers questions

>

> The Sarva Mantra Tantra Yanta Utkeelan Vidhi on page 208 of book Mantra

Rahasya...

>

> See, there are many great books on Mantra Shashtra available in market, may it

be Mantra Mahodadhi or Mantra Mahrnava or Mantra Chintamani... but that book by

Gurudev is still a stand alone book.

>

> Lets first understand the terms correctly

>

> Keelak = Lock n key

> Keelan Vidhi = Procedure of Locking

> Utkeelan Vidhi = Procedure of Unlocking

>

> Basically you are interested in knowing the all applicable unlocking

procedure, well in that sense you fell on right spot on that page of that book,

because those 3 pages of that book are like the master key for opening any

mantra, yantra or tantra.

>

> You want explanation or let me say the translation of sanskrit text, well

writing sanskrit part of it in english fonts here, then translating them to

hindi in english font and then translating them to english in english, that

would become quite an exercise for me or anyone!

>

> And anyways, you need not be so curious about that sanskrti part because, like

every tantra treatise is, it always starts as a conversation between Shakti and

Shiva, where shakti asks shiva a question and shiva answers it as his master and

then tells her to keep it a secret.

>

> Even for the sanskrit part on that page, basically mother parvati is saying

all the 7 parts of mantra are important (she names them in 2 paragraphs) , but

the keelak is most important and without is there is no siddhi (attainment) and

only shanshya (doubt), so please tell me all revealing method

>

> Then Shiva tells method... and in the end, as always, promises this will work

for every mantra tantra and yantra.

>

> Now coming on to the practical application of that Sarva Utkeelan Vidhi

>

> Basically, it is recitation of a mool mantra followed by tripura stotra (thats

where you see the stanzas with numbering)

>

> So yes, you have to read its

>

> 1) Viniyog... and especially add your purpose " like for unlocking xyz mantra

yantra "

> 2) Nyas (rishi, kar, anga)

> 3) Dhyan

> 4) Avahan and Sthapna

>

> 5) Mool Mantra**

>

> This whole mantra is to be chanted once, but make sure you chant is properly,

as its written there... for example, if its written something like " " Soham (11

times), lam (11 times) " " , then dont proceed to lam till you have read soham 11

times, then finally mool mantra ends with a swaha.

>

> 6) As for the tripura stotra, reading that right after the mool mantra is a

must, as its complementary to it, it rises powers of all possible varnas

(syllables) of sanskrit, plus it does all shrap vimochan (curse removal).

>

> Finally coming to your last point, actually what you are asking is written on

page 230 and not 203. Thats another procedure for unlocking a mantra. It

basically says

>

> You have to write the mantra on bhoj patra with Asht Gandha ink 108 times,

then do its panchopchar puja, then offer food to brahman, then do tarpan (water

sprinkling for ancestors) in a copper plate or better in a river, that will

unlock the mantra.

>

> -

>

> Conclusion and Practical Hints

>

> This depth of knowledge of parts of vinyog, nyas etc... all this required only

when you are doing some Mantrokt Sadhna.

>

> Its not that a mantra just doesn't work without knowledge of all these parts,

because the most important point remains to be your procedure for attaining

these mantra, your purpose of using them and your procedure.

>

> For example, many prayogs come in Mantra-Tantra-Yantra Magzine which has many

prayogs which often use many famous mantras which have their own unique viniyog

and nyas dhyan etc, but you are supposed to use those same mantras as per the

prayogs written there.

>

> And even if you are going to do a mantrokt sadhna of some specific mantra,

then anyways you are supposed to take a diksha first, and you will be told all

the precise procedures relating to that mantra then and there itself.

>

> Same is for lambers curiosity on keelak, because most of the times the prayogs

offered in MTY or even other books of gurudev, are usually tantrokt or sabar in

nature which do not require procedure or unlocking like in mantrokt sadhna. I am

pretty sure that in 99% cases, you wont need that all unlocking key if you are

following MTY or books or gurudev only, as techniques written there are complete

in themselves.

>

> And even more so, a keelak is not always a one word, sometimes some special

series of words or special kriya can be a keelak or sometimes some special set

of mudras can also be a keelak, so best is to get this knowledge from Gurudev

himself.

>

> That remains to be final word, to avoid any doubts and to get safe and sure

shot success, get it from Guru mukh.

>

> With Regards

> Himanshu

>

> Gurudevo Maheshwaro Namo Namah

>

> , lamber singh <vidyarthi_ls@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Gurubhai/Bahan,

> >

> > Jai Gurudev!

> >

> > There is one " Utkeelan Vidhi " mentioned on page 208 of " Mantra Rahashya "

book written by Gurudev. It is given in Sanskrit. Starts with Parvati Uvachya

then Shiv Uvachya. Can any one of the group who knows Sanskrit explain it in

Hindi/English. Further, there is " mool mantra " given but where it ends is not

clear. There are few mantras marked as stanza 1, 2, ....10 is that also part of

mool mantra. Again how many times to recite the mool mantra.

> >

> > Please see the sanskrit text and explain if it is explained there.

> >

> > Further, on page 203 something regarding Utkeelan written again in sanskrit

please explain that too.

> >

> > If desired, the explanation can be posted on group, if not, I request to

send it to me on my mail id.

> >

> > Thanks in advance for the help.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Lamber Singh

> >

> > --- On Mon, 31/8/09, scorpion_1112in <scorpion_1112in@> wrote:

> >

> > scorpion_1112in <scorpion_1112in@>

> > Re: Explanation of Metre of Mantra, Kar Nyasa, Anga

Nyasa

> >

> > Monday, 31 August, 2009, 2:10 PM

> >

> > Shree Gurucharan Kamlebhyo Namah

> >

> > I remember such question being asked before... and being answered before, so

i will suggest you go through these two posts, if you still have anymore

queries, then put them here.

> >

> > 1) Example of Maha Mrityunjaya Sadhna

> > http://www.siddhash ram.org/s2000116 7.shtml

> >

> > 2) One of older posts regarding matter that inerests you

> > http://groups. / group// message/12469

> >

> > I hope that solves things.

> >

> > Jay Gurudev

> >

> > @ s.com, " silver_rhine " <buddhadevpc@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Gurubhais,

> > >

> > > Jai Gurudev!

> > >

> > > Can one of you please tell me what exactly you mean by the " metre " of a

mantra? And how is its knowledge useful for japa of that mantra?

> > >

> > > Secondly, can someone please explain " how " exactly one should do Kar Nyasa

and Anga Nyasa? Do we need to use special mudras while doing these? Do we need

to " physically " touch the body parts or just " mentally " picture the same?

> > >

> > > If you can be kind enough to explain some of the not-so-commonly known

body parts such as " tuft " , " crown " etc, it would be really very helpful...

> > >

> > > Any additional information on the general preliminary procedures before

commencing on a particular sadhana is also very welcome.

> > >

> > > Awaiting your enlightening answers.

> > >

> > > Warm Regards,

> > > Buddha

> > >

> >

> > Looking for local information? Find it on Local

http://in.local./

> >

>

October 1, 2009

Shree Guru Charan Kamlebhyo Namah

Hi there

I did see your post... after Dushera (that means after Navratri!) but only today

I get time to answer any mails.

So in Order

1) About Maha Kali Sadhna

Firstly, the Mantra that you have quoted from Mantra Mahodadhi, is mantra for

" Dakshin Kali " , mantra for " Maha Kali " is different.

There are many forms of kali like " Bhadra Kali, Guhya Kali, Shamshan Kali... so

you need to be precise about it. As for most famous form, Dakshin Kali, although

all forms look kind of similar, but distinct feature is she is " Vara Abhaya

Prada " , that is, out of her 4 hands, she shows " fear dispelling mudra " in the

right lower hand, plus she is totally black standing on Shiva's chest in

Shamshan (cremation ground).

Secondly, there are many mantras for appeasing Dakshin Kalika alone (and you

cannot say one is better than another, that depends on what guru sees is best

for " you " ), and same sadhna of even same mantra can be done in many ways,

dakshin marga or vaam marga, hence the practical application/use of mantra is

different. (The site of sadhna, time, and colours of article... even type of

rosary used may vary... like from Black Hakeek to Quartz Crystal)

Thirdly, being associated to our Guruji, you should refer to the book " Maha Kali

Sadhna " , it's a small booklet with a small but yet very active technique of Kali

Sadhna. You can find all the precise nyas and yantra avaran puja technique

there.

Mantra used there is the same in book " Shakt Pramod " , I call that as one of the

only authentic book on Shakti Sadhna, but mind you, that book is totally in

Sanskrit and has a very technical language, only for people who have very good

base of tantra knowledge. And by the way, same mantra is given in book Mantra

Rahasya, strange how you missed it...

Lastly, on this point, I would like to strongly suggest that you take utmost

care in Kali Sadhna, as it is, it is a Maha Vidya Sadhna and that too of Kali

Kula, Ugra Sadhna (especially if done by vaam marga), kalisht Sadhna. Unless you

are crazy, its better to strictly stick to diksha in this one, or else losses

can be there.

-

2) Tantrokt Sadhna and Mantrokt Sadhna

Oh well, this question can be answered in one page or even a book of thousand

pages!

To keep it simple and light, let's start with basic what's a Sadhna?

Sadhna = A Technique of Spiritual Practice

Sadhan = Means (here for spiritual practice)

Sadhya = The Desired Result as self spiritual growth (which would mean rise of

consciousness, hence closeness to god and increase in instinctive Sattvikta)

and/or material gain

Tantra = A systematic form of worship and meditation, for harnessing energies of

higher realms (spiritual world) for spiritual and/or material growth.

Still, in literal sense

Tantra = Tan ka Tran (protection by expansion of body)

Mantra = Man ka Tran (protection by expansion of Mind)

Tantrokt = Tantra se ukt / Tantra Pradhan Sadhna (Tantra Oriented )

Mantrokt = Mantra se ukt / Mantra Pradhan Sadhna (Mantra Oriented )

Basically, in a Tantrokt Sadhna, a mantra or a yantra or even articles, may or

may not be used, but there is always a " kriyatmak paksha " (active action

aspect), hence the timing and technique is more elaborate and more important.

There can be a tantrokt Sadhna with a mantra and yantra and articles

There can be a tantrokt sadhna with only a yantra

There can be a tantrokt sadhna with only specific Articles

There can be a tantrokt sadhna with just mudra or kriya

For understanding science of Tantrokt Sadhna, knowledge of Tatvas upto physical

realm of universe is essential.

Like knowing kali til (black seasme) is kark tattva (causal element) of Shani

(Saturn). So for Tantrik totka of reducing Saturn's effect on a person, he

simply donates black seasme on Saturday (causal day of Saturn). Salt is kark ras

(taste) for Saturn, Black is causal colour.

Or like ting thread 108 times around a Peepal Tree, or offering milk 108 times

to shiva lingam (which may be with or without a mantra), or doing visargan of

certain articles like 108 coal for pacifying saturn... and so on.

That's why no totka is blind superstitions... there is science behind every one

of them. And if done in right manner, they can be equally effective as long

mantrokt sadhna.

Although there is both way of looking at it... the heart oriented bhakti person

will like to think that these are favorite things of Saturn, while a head

oriented, tantrik will see it as necessary residence of Saturn. That's why

sometimes misguided/evil tantrik can force even good energies to work for them

(although the Law of karma supercedes all, sooner or later they pay for it)

See you must know the 36 Tatva Table, which starts from Parbhram or Shiva-Shakti

Union at top, and then comes down to Panch Tanmatra (receptions of senses) ,

Gyanendri (sense organs), karmendri (action organs)....

Similarly, one has to know which shakti (spiritual energy of higher realm,

energy of even deities) resides in which tavta (element) of physical world. Once

you have that knowledge, then you can make them bound to come.

That's why all this planning of a Sadhna, is best done by Siddhas. They can

create new patterns of fast and sure shot sadhnas for us as they know everything

from the Highest Layer of Metaphysical World to the Lowest Layer of Physical

World... and they know how to make the highest layer energies work for you by

working with lowest layer of physical realm as well!

-

Mantrokt Sadhna requires lesser external things... but much more of character,

pre requisites from a Sadhak. Like a stronger body for longer meditative periods

and more stable mind. He has to be a stubborn/gritty customer sort.

In a mantrokt sadhna, the mental focus and will power of a Sadhak is at test.

Also the karma-kand (rituals) associated with a Mantrokt Sadhna are different,

as they relate more to the subtle realms. Use of yantra and articles can be

there, but differently.

Since mental focus is used, hence japa is mostly Upanshu or Manas only (not

Vachik). Try it...

Chanting something like " Om Namah Shivay " , first chant one rosary in Vachik

where you orally and loudly say it 108 times

Then do it Upanshu, where your lips and tongue may move but there is not voice

Then do it Manas, where you Chant with without moving your lips or even tongue

It becomes increasingly subtle, plus the type of focus you attain is also more

subtle, so such a sadhna is for people who are more comfortable in subtle.

From this little experiment, even you might have liked the Manas one most but

don't let that deceive you, because in reality, to do Manas Japa constantly is

more difficult than doing upnashu or Vachik.

Doing Vachik is easiest, as your tongue and lip, the physical body becomes

mechanical. Even if your mind hovers around in patches and you are not able to

land 100% focus on each mantra, or in worst case out of 100 you totally focus on

only 2-3, still atleast the chant is continuous. and even that meeting of mind

with deity for maybe 10 proper mantra may pay off.

While in Upnashu, especially in Manas (Mental Chanting), there is greater chance

of you loosing a mantra all together in between when some other thought comes.

You may get lost in other thoughts as the focus, the consciousness may not

remain alert for longer periods or continuously.

Although, after practice, like physical body became mechanical in vachik japa,

the mental body (precisely, a center in subconscious mind) also tends to become

mechanical in Manas Japa (that accounts for Ajapa Jap too), but this takes time,

patience and character to work upto building that center within oneself.

See, thinking is always from past or future... thinking is always talking

within... if you notice your mind, there are thoughts, and you sense them

primarily by sound (later by vision, still sound is most subtle), and when you

truly start to become Mantra Chaitanya, then there is only one sound in mind,

that of mantra.

So chanting gives mental silence and focus! That is true " Tran of Man " !

So your own success in chanting you can asses by the nature of thoughts, like in

mind other thoughts hover 95% while real chanting only 5%... later with practice

reverse happen, the chanting hovers 95% and other thoughts little, that sound of

mantra starts to absorb everything else and with such focus you accost the

deities energy.

Again, this takes practice... extreme hard work, and even more importantly let

me say it takes belief on ones part, because unless one has total belief in his

guru, his technique, he will never be able to put his full effort in any sadhna

either. And you know, more than anything it's your totality of effort that

counts! And belief is the base of it.

Mantrokt Sadhna is not for doubtful or half minded pretenders; such a person may

succeed in Tantrokt, but never in Mantrokt, because here you have to give

yourself! You have to offer your mental body to the deity! You mind body and

soul have to come in one line in totality.

So these things are for him, who wants to put full faith in his sadhna and then

give it his absolute, everything while doing sadhna. Not worried about

technique, not worried about any other extreme thoughts coming in mind, not even

worried about doubts of failure or success in sadhna, but just giving his all,

full passion and energy... he is a true Mantrik.

-

Q. Which is easier to gain in siddhi?

This depends on the Sadhaks Prakriti and Pra-vritti(soul nature and mindset)

A sadhak who's soul's nature is to do a mantrokt sadhnas, will not like tantrokt

ones too much... he will be like " why do so much drama of getting so many

physical things and movements, I can rather use mind as my prime instrument to

directly harness spiritual energies "

While a sadhak who's soul's nature is to do a tantrokt Sadhna, will not really

feel attuned into relentless mantra chanting, he will not be able to become one

with it, will not get experience from it, and even after effort fail, rather he

will be more single minded and attuned when doing the " kriyatmak paksha " , he

will actually feel it.

In Kali Yuga, most people have higher chance of success with Tantrokt Sadhna, as

the level of consciousness has come down from primarily staying in Mental

body... down to Physical Body. Even preferred paths to Moksha itself have

changed from " Gyan Yoga " as fastest in earliest stage of Satyuga, to Japa Yoga

in Kali Yuga.

In Satyuga Vedic mantra and rituals may have been best... but in Kali Yuga,

tantra and especially that of Agam Marga are best suited for most souls, hence

many Tantras were specially designed by Shiva especially for material and

simultaneously spiritual growth in Kali Yuga.

So in general a vedic mantra based Mantrokt Sadhna maybe most arduous... while a

sabar mantra based Aghort prayog maybe shortest. But this does not mean that

sabar mantra or aghor prayogs are more powerful than vedic mantras, it's just

that for some kind of people these are easy to get success in Kali Yuga.

(Also another reason why physical comforts are so very important now, earlier

the emotional bodies and intellectual bodies comforts were most important, now

the physical comfort have become more important, although, with time as these

people grow spiritually and their level of consciousness rises to more subtle

realms, for them also higher bodies need become more important, a distinct

priority over physical needs)

-

Q. which is more powerful and effective?

Again simple rule, " jo tum se sadhey, wo shresth " (that which you can work out,

is best for you).

See comparison of power has to be on some basis... lets say person A did a

Mantrokt Sadhna for getting a son while Person B did a Tantrokt Sadhna for

getting a Son, lets say both succeeded in their respective Sadhnas, so which one

will you call better?

Same can be said for comparison of success in " ShreeM " based mantrokt sadhna Vs

a " ShreenG " based Tantrokt sadhna... result can be same, then why meaningless

comparison?

Still in technical sense, some people might not agree with me and there

suggestions are welcome... I would have to say that a Mantrokt Sadhna is

slightly more powerful for the sheer fact that it is more subtle and independent

upto physical world, as then it's your Mantra alone that does the work.

While a Tantrokt Sadhna maybe faster and easier to get Siddhi... and a mantrokt

sadhna may take more time and effort, but still in the sense of being more

subtle and independent in manner of working after getting success in mantrokt

sadhna, I would put this one above.

Plus another factor is spiritual growth, a mantrokt sadhna even for material

gains, builds ability of higher mental focus which can be used for self

purification. Persons Mental Body becomes more illuminated, change is not just

in situations outside him but inside him, he undergoes a change himself.

When a person grows spiritually, he moves from gross to subtle, even the types

of Sadhnas become subtle. Like Japa changes from Vachik to Upanshu to Manas...

even the yantra move from physical yantras to set imaginative tools in Mental

Plane, and kriya is minimized to within your mental body (no more need of the

physical or ethric or even astral body later). And even the object of Dhyan is

no lower spiritual energies, its directly Parbhram and Paratpar Guru, so you can

get an idea of what happens in Siddhashram.

Anyhow, these are very high level things, to be fair, beyond me too, I was just

taught so I shared.

-

3) Sadhnas for Navratri

It's strange you put up this question here, because if you read the MTY

regularly, then you would have already seen bunch of short prayogs. Where have

you been?

So yes, lot of other shakt sadhnas apart from Durga Sadhna can be done.

Especially mahavidya prayogs… or even lakshmi prayogs.

-

In end I would like to make a quite note which I may have like to expand for all

group members, but will wrap it short.

I always tried to analyze everything from

Physical >> Mental >> Spiritual depths...

But there is something very beautiful I learnt from Deepak Chopra regarding

learning as well

1) Information

2) Knowledge

3) Wisdom

First, a person receives thoughts as information only... later he learns use it

himself, then it become his knowledge. And when masters it, then he knows the

subtle aspects of it and it gets stored in him as short points of Wisdom.

Information can come from a person your level

Knowledge can come from a teacher

Wisdom comes from a master

We are all guru-bhai behans here, so I think this should be common information

sharing platform. Although the Sadhna world has its own rules regarding

Spiritual Secrecy of knowledge or even information, which I very much respect as

it has deeper logics behind it.

As for spiritual secrecy, it not as if we want to keep something a secret so

that only we can benefit from it... no way, it just that we can ask such person

(new comer) to get it from the source which gave it to us! That way our own

maryada can be kept and other person can be helped.

Apart from that, I think a greater information sharing can be done as for a new

comer, more " Prakat Gyan " (manifest knowledge as information) is important these

days. So let's not make the mistake which Brahmans and mean tantriks did in

medieval ages, our guruji had to work tirelessly to illuminate the darkness put

by them.

Most of us may fear accruing karma, or ego or even failure in own sadhnas by

being open like this here... but still, there is sharing which can be done

within boundaries of spiritual secrecy too. So lets keep the light alive!

Love Light and Peace!

Himanshu

Gurudevo Maheshwaro Namo Namah!

, " silver_rhine " <buddhadevpc wrote:

>

> Shree Guru Charan Kamlebhyo Namah

>

> Dear Himanshu ji,

>

> Once again, an excellent post, very informative and did explain a lot of

things unknown to me so far. But let me come to the specific question I had in

the first place because of which I posted this query. I have read that for the

22-syllable MahaKali Mantra: " Kreem kreem kreem hum hum hreem hreem Dakshina

Kalike Kreem kreem kreem hum hum hreem hreem Svaha " , the nyasa has to be done

with the 51 letters of the Sanskrit alphabet. Because the book (Mantramahodadhi

of Mahidhara) doesn't give any more details on this. It then goes on to say how

to do the next set of nyasas. So, could you please give an idea about how this

is to be done? Or, you could perhaps detail the entire procedure for the

Mahakali sadhana?

>

> Secondly, I have still have a doubt in my mind regarding the difference

between a " mantrokt sadhana " and a " tantrokt sadhana " . What I understand is that

in the former (mantrokt), it can be done without the use of ANY OTHER additional

materials like yantras etc, whereas for the latter (tantrokt), yantras and other

special sadhana samagri are required. Could you please correct me if I am

mistaken? Also, what are the other differences between the two? Which is easier

to gain in siddhi? And which is more powerful and effective? (though I guess

that tantrokt sadhana would be more powerful).

>

> Thirdly, since this is the most auspicious time of Navaratri, what kind of

sadhanas are more duly effective now than at any other time of the year? Can one

do ANY kind of Shakti Sadhana now or should that be restricted only to Durga

sadhana?

>

> Eagerly awaiting your quick reply. Wishing all Gurubhais a Very Happy Durga

Puja!

>

> Om Shri Durgayei Namah!

>

> Warm Regards,

> Buddha

>

> , " scorpion_1112in " <scorpion_1112in@> wrote:

> >

> > Shree Guru Charan Kamlebhyo Namah

> >

> > Fine then, lets start with revision of general structure of a Mantrokt

Sadhna

> >

> > 1) First of all, before any mantra chanting, you have to hold water in a

teaspoon or palm, announce these parts of a mantra, and then at end of it, let

water flow on earth, as symbolic of the resolution being absorbed by earth and

cosmos.

> >

> > Parts of Viniyog are

> >

> > a) Rishi (Seer who first attained or mastered the mantra)

> > b) Chhand (meter of mantra = pattern of pronunciation)

> > c) Devta (Deity)

> > d) Beej (seed, power source of mantra)

> > e) Shakti (enhancing power, like to mature the seed)

> > f) Keelak (unlocking password)

> > g) Abheesht Arth (your purpose of chanting)

> >

> > After Viniyog Comes Nyas = Establishment of Divine Energies in body parts

> >

> > 2) Rishi Nyas (Divine Grace establishment of parts of viniyog)

> >

> > 3) Kar Nyas (Energy Establishment in Fingers)

> >

> > 4) Hridi/Shad-Anga Nyas (Energy Establishment in 6 Body parts)... Then other

types of Nyas if need be, especially Dig Nyas (10 direction locking by

establishing energies in 10 directions around you)

> >

> > 5) Then Comes Dhyan (Meditation on Image of Deity with apt dhyan mantra)

> >

> > 6) Then Comes Avahan (Invoking the main deity in corresponding idol or

picture or yantra of that particlular mantra)

> >

> > 7) Then Mudra (Hand or body posture to please the deity)

> >

> > 8) Then Shakti Peeth Puja and/or Yantra Avaran Puja if need be

> >

> > 9) Then Puja (making offerings, 5 or 16 or 18... 64)

> >

> > 10) Then Mantra Japa (Chanting)

> >

> > 11) Then Stotra (hymn to please deity)

> >

> > 12) Then kavach (wearing astral amour by special hymn)

> >

> > 13) Then Shama Prathna (ask for forgiveness)

> >

> > 14) Finally, jal or prasad Vitran (distributing water or offering left after

ritual)

> >

> > -

> >

> > Quick Points

> >

> > Chhand or meter of mantra is the pattern of pronunciation, Knowledge of

meter of a mantra is of paramount importance, because unless you know the right

pronunciation of mantra, everything ahead of that, no matter how precise other

parts of ritual maybe, the whole ritual of mantra sadhna will be a failure.

> >

> > And yes, nyas is a must, infact a double must when you add something in

viniyog as a specific purpose, because its well know fact, when you just say " to

please diety i chant " , then you may skip nyas and other procedure, but when you

say " to please this deity and get this wish fulfilled " , then it becomes Sakaam

prathna (prayer with desire), then sadhna becomes a kalisht and mantra becomes

your enemy, would even try to give you physical discomfort by the vibrations if

you dont have proper grace of your guru and nyas of seers, so one has to be very

careful.

> >

> > Thats why, even before Viniyog of main mantra, consider Guru, Ganesh and Kul

deva pujan a must, it may be very short but consider it a must.

> >

> > Procedure and Mudra for doing nyas differs from mantra to mantra, but

usually the tip of five fingers like in " Shukri Mudra " is used to physically

touch the body parts and then imagine energy flow with the mantra vibration

> >

> > Rishi Nyas is usually*

> >

> > (Shir) Forehead for Seer (Rishi)

> > (Mukh) Mouth for Meter (Chhand)

> > (Hridi) Heart for Deity (Devta)

> > (Guhya) Genital for Seed (Beej)

> > (Padyo) Feet for Enhancing Power (Shakti)

> > (Nabho) navel for lynchpin or unlocking password (Keelak)

> > (Sarv Ang) Massage of all these in reverse order for Viniyog

> >

> > Now again, remember i said " usually " , because for some mantra nyas for

shakti is done in genital and nyas for beej in feet... and so on, so it all

varies from mantra to mantra

> >

> > Similarly, a general procedure for Anga Nyas or Varna Nyas etc cannot be

given, they vary...

> >

> > If you want a precise procedure for certain mantra, then write it all, we

will all try to answer it to best of our knowledge

> >

> > This should deal with Buddhas Question

> >

> > -

> >

> > Now coming to Lambers questions

> >

> > The Sarva Mantra Tantra Yanta Utkeelan Vidhi on page 208 of book Mantra

Rahasya...

> >

> > See, there are many great books on Mantra Shashtra available in market, may

it be Mantra Mahodadhi or Mantra Mahrnava or Mantra Chintamani... but that book

by Gurudev is still a stand alone book.

> >

> > Lets first understand the terms correctly

> >

> > Keelak = Lock n key

> > Keelan Vidhi = Procedure of Locking

> > Utkeelan Vidhi = Procedure of Unlocking

> >

> > Basically you are interested in knowing the all applicable unlocking

procedure, well in that sense you fell on right spot on that page of that book,

because those 3 pages of that book are like the master key for opening any

mantra, yantra or tantra.

> >

> > You want explanation or let me say the translation of sanskrit text, well

writing sanskrit part of it in english fonts here, then translating them to

hindi in english font and then translating them to english in english, that

would become quite an exercise for me or anyone!

> >

> > And anyways, you need not be so curious about that sanskrti part because,

like every tantra treatise is, it always starts as a conversation between Shakti

and Shiva, where shakti asks shiva a question and shiva answers it as his master

and then tells her to keep it a secret.

> >

> > Even for the sanskrit part on that page, basically mother parvati is saying

all the 7 parts of mantra are important (she names them in 2 paragraphs) , but

the keelak is most important and without is there is no siddhi (attainment) and

only shanshya (doubt), so please tell me all revealing method

> >

> > Then Shiva tells method... and in the end, as always, promises this will

work for every mantra tantra and yantra.

> >

> > Now coming on to the practical application of that Sarva Utkeelan Vidhi

> >

> > Basically, it is recitation of a mool mantra followed by tripura stotra

(thats where you see the stanzas with numbering)

> >

> > So yes, you have to read its

> >

> > 1) Viniyog... and especially add your purpose " like for unlocking xyz mantra

yantra "

> > 2) Nyas (rishi, kar, anga)

> > 3) Dhyan

> > 4) Avahan and Sthapna

> >

> > 5) Mool Mantra**

> >

> > This whole mantra is to be chanted once, but make sure you chant is

properly, as its written there... for example, if its written something like

" " Soham (11 times), lam (11 times) " " , then dont proceed to lam till you have

read soham 11 times, then finally mool mantra ends with a swaha.

> >

> > 6) As for the tripura stotra, reading that right after the mool mantra is a

must, as its complementary to it, it rises powers of all possible varnas

(syllables) of sanskrit, plus it does all shrap vimochan (curse removal).

> >

> > Finally coming to your last point, actually what you are asking is written

on page 230 and not 203. Thats another procedure for unlocking a mantra. It

basically says

> >

> > You have to write the mantra on bhoj patra with Asht Gandha ink 108 times,

then do its panchopchar puja, then offer food to brahman, then do tarpan (water

sprinkling for ancestors) in a copper plate or better in a river, that will

unlock the mantra.

> >

> > -

> >

> > Conclusion and Practical Hints

> >

> > This depth of knowledge of parts of vinyog, nyas etc... all this required

only when you are doing some Mantrokt Sadhna.

> >

> > Its not that a mantra just doesn't work without knowledge of all these

parts, because the most important point remains to be your procedure for

attaining these mantra, your purpose of using them and your procedure.

> >

> > For example, many prayogs come in Mantra-Tantra-Yantra Magzine which has

many prayogs which often use many famous mantras which have their own unique

viniyog and nyas dhyan etc, but you are supposed to use those same mantras as

per the prayogs written there.

> >

> > And even if you are going to do a mantrokt sadhna of some specific mantra,

then anyways you are supposed to take a diksha first, and you will be told all

the precise procedures relating to that mantra then and there itself.

> >

> > Same is for lambers curiosity on keelak, because most of the times the

prayogs offered in MTY or even other books of gurudev, are usually tantrokt or

sabar in nature which do not require procedure or unlocking like in mantrokt

sadhna. I am pretty sure that in 99% cases, you wont need that all unlocking key

if you are following MTY or books or gurudev only, as techniques written there

are complete in themselves.

> >

> > And even more so, a keelak is not always a one word, sometimes some special

series of words or special kriya can be a keelak or sometimes some special set

of mudras can also be a keelak, so best is to get this knowledge from Gurudev

himself.

> >

> > That remains to be final word, to avoid any doubts and to get safe and sure

shot success, get it from Guru mukh.

> >

> > With Regards

> > Himanshu

> >

> > Gurudevo Maheshwaro Namo Namah

> >

> > , lamber singh <vidyarthi_ls@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Gurubhai/Bahan,

> > >

> > > Jai Gurudev!

> > >

> > > There is one " Utkeelan Vidhi " mentioned on page 208 of " Mantra Rahashya "

book written by Gurudev. It is given in Sanskrit. Starts with Parvati Uvachya

then Shiv Uvachya. Can any one of the group who knows Sanskrit explain it in

Hindi/English. Further, there is " mool mantra " given but where it ends is not

clear. There are few mantras marked as stanza 1, 2, ....10 is that also part of

mool mantra. Again how many times to recite the mool mantra.

> > >

> > > Please see the sanskrit text and explain if it is explained there.

> > >

> > > Further, on page 203 something regarding Utkeelan written again in

sanskrit please explain that too.

> > >

> > > If desired, the explanation can be posted on group, if not, I request to

send it to me on my mail id.

> > >

> > > Thanks in advance for the help.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Lamber Singh

> > >

> > > --- On Mon, 31/8/09, scorpion_1112in <scorpion_1112in@> wrote:

> > >

> > > scorpion_1112in <scorpion_1112in@>

> > > Re: Explanation of Metre of Mantra, Kar Nyasa, Anga

Nyasa

> > >

> > > Monday, 31 August, 2009, 2:10 PM

> > >

> > > Shree Gurucharan Kamlebhyo Namah

> > >

> > > I remember such question being asked before... and being answered before,

so i will suggest you go through these two posts, if you still have anymore

queries, then put them here.

> > >

> > > 1) Example of Maha Mrityunjaya Sadhna

> > > http://www.siddhash ram.org/s2000116 7.shtml

> > >

> > > 2) One of older posts regarding matter that inerests you

> > > http://groups. / group// message/12469

> > >

> > > I hope that solves things.

> > >

> > > Jay Gurudev

> > >

> > > @ s.com, " silver_rhine " <buddhadevpc@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Respected Gurubhais,

> > > >

> > > > Jai Gurudev!

> > > >

> > > > Can one of you please tell me what exactly you mean by the " metre " of a

mantra? And how is its knowledge useful for japa of that mantra?

> > > >

> > > > Secondly, can someone please explain " how " exactly one should do Kar

Nyasa and Anga Nyasa? Do we need to use special mudras while doing these? Do we

need to " physically " touch the body parts or just " mentally " picture the same?

> > > >

> > > > If you can be kind enough to explain some of the not-so-commonly known

body parts such as " tuft " , " crown " etc, it would be really very helpful...

> > > >

> > > > Any additional information on the general preliminary procedures before

commencing on a particular sadhana is also very welcome.

> > > >

> > > > Awaiting your enlightening answers.

> > > >

> > > > Warm Regards,

> > > > Buddha

> > > >

> > >

> > > Looking for local information? Find it on Local

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> > >

> >

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