Guest guest Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 Hello everybody, This is my first post in this group so my sadar pranam to all gurubhai and group members, and especially Khatri Anandji. I am already an astrologer so i like to add on to my knowledge wherever possible, always a student of life.... so I just went through the files section of the group as i was very much interested in knowing the Grah Shanti (Planet Pacification) methods. There are two things i noticed though 1) The numver, of Jaap, its different. From usually what i learnt, the jaap for a grah is same in thousand as the number of years for which its mahadasha goes on. (And in kal yuga, it may have to be done 4 times <= this is only because of lack of ability of people in kalyuga to remain pure, that is totally pure during anushthan). This means 1) Sun = 6 years => 6,000 * 4 = 24,000 2) Moon = 10 years => 10,000 * 4 = 40,000 3) Mars = 7 years => 7,000 * 4 = 28,000 4) Mercury = 17 years => 17,000 * 4 = 68,000 5) Jupiter = 16 Years => 16,000 * 4 = 64,000 6) Venus = 20 Years => 20,000 * 4 = 80,000 7) Saturn = 19 Years => 19,000 * 4 = 76,000 8) Rahu = 18 Years => 18,000 * 4 = 72,000 9) Ketu = 7 Years => 7,000 * 4 = 28,000 The mantras in that context are same as given in file section Also the havan samidha (wood)is Same And samagri for each ahuti aading swaha Til(white seasame seed)= x (u decide this depending on ahutis required) Rice = x/2 Yava = x/4 Sugar = x/8 Gud (Jaggery) = x/8 Dahi(Curd) = x/8 Ghee(Clarified Butter) = x/16 And the number and procedureof the havan = 1/10 Jaap tarpan,= 1/10 Havan marjan,= 1/10 Tarpan bhrahman bhojan = 1/10 Marjan This everyone knows... So my first qustion is, From which, which Samhita or puran are these Japa Quantity taken? Please, i dont contradict whats gives, but i need to know more in depth, i respect other systems and wish to know more of this system. 2) Secondly about yantra.. Well the shape and size of Yantra is same, except for 1) Absence of Beej Mantras on Yantra 2) Prepration on in different type of metal for amulet (taabeez) And MOST importantly Here Yantras are given for pacification of planet, while i have learnt them for strengthening of planets. Its like the same issues with gemstones... For example, Some people make you wear Gessonite (Gomedhak) to get better results from Rahu during Rahu Mahadasha while some people make you stay miles away from it... same for wearing Ble Sapphire (Neelam) during Shani Mahadadha and so on... While other people make you stay strictly away from these stones when rahu, saturn etc are being maleifc. Although from my experience over years, i found the second option to be better, gemstones and " even its tantrik yantra) are mean to stengthen a planet. If a person cannot afford quality yantra, atleast he can wear yantra as ring in precribed metal and finnger OR he can make amulet (taabeez) out of it. There is only one little twist in the story though The Vidhi Vidhan of wearing and treating a gemstone or Yantra I learnt that some system have a vidhi vidhan which reverses the procedure of rays absorbption in body... the same gemstone which was increasing rays of certain planet in body... or same yantra which was increasing nenergy of certain planet, can be used oppositely to decrease the effect and energy. If this is the case with the yantras given in the file section, i would like to know the asbolutely precise vidhan related to them. This knowledge can be seriously of great use/help for all. Waiting for more light on these 2 topics Regards Himanshu Gurudevo Maheshwaro Namo Namah! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 Hi Himanshu, You have raised a very pertinent question and am sure someone will soon answer you. After reading your post, few questions have arisen in my mind: 1) Regarding the ratio of the havan to jaap as 1:10, I would like to ask you that if it is possible in every case. Because, according to the file uploaded here (at least for the Shukra Graha Pida Nivaran) case, it doesn't really distinguish between the number of japa and number of homam. In fact, if I were to understand correctly, the number of homam (for Kali yug as they say its 64,000... its a different thing that your number is different - 80,000) corresponds to the number of mantra jaap... Is that right, or am I mistaken? 2) When you say ahuti, and for the samagri you say " Til(white seasame seed)= x (u decide this depending on ahutis required) " Do you mean that if number of japa to be done is 64,000 or 80,000 (whichever is the case), then number of tils should be 64,000 or 80,000 respectively or is it by weight? Because counting would really be a mammoth task!! Also, do you have to MIX all of the listed samagri in the given ratios and then for each ahuti take a pinch of that and put it in the fire and do it for 6400 or 8000 times (1/10 of japa)? 3) Is there a difference between 'pacification of planet' and 'strengthening of planet' even when it comes to homa? Or, is it that for homa both are valid at once? 4)What IS the difference between pacification and strengthening of planet? Which is more effective? I would really be very grateful if you could throw some light on the above queries... Jai Gurudev! - Buddha , " scorpion_1112in " <scorpion_1112in wrote: > > > Hello everybody, > > This is my first post in this group so my sadar pranam to all > gurubhai and group members, and especially Khatri Anandji. > > I am already an astrologer so i like to add on to my knowledge > wherever possible, always a student of life.... so I just went > through the files section of the group as i was very much interested > in knowing the Grah Shanti (Planet Pacification) methods. > > There are two things i noticed though > > 1) The numver, of Jaap, its different. > > From usually what i learnt, the jaap for a grah is same in thousand > as the number of years for which its mahadasha goes on. > > (And in kal yuga, it may have to be done 4 times <= this is only > because of lack of ability of people in kalyuga to remain pure, that > is totally pure during anushthan). > > This means > > 1) Sun = 6 years => 6,000 * 4 = 24,000 > 2) Moon = 10 years => 10,000 * 4 = 40,000 > 3) Mars = 7 years => 7,000 * 4 = 28,000 > 4) Mercury = 17 years => 17,000 * 4 = 68,000 > 5) Jupiter = 16 Years => 16,000 * 4 = 64,000 > 6) Venus = 20 Years => 20,000 * 4 = 80,000 > 7) Saturn = 19 Years => 19,000 * 4 = 76,000 > 8) Rahu = 18 Years => 18,000 * 4 = 72,000 > 9) Ketu = 7 Years => 7,000 * 4 = 28,000 > > The mantras in that context are same as given in file section > Also the havan samidha (wood)is Same > And samagri for each ahuti aading swaha > > Til(white seasame seed)= x (u decide this depending on ahutis > required) > Rice = x/2 > Yava = x/4 > Sugar = x/8 > Gud (Jaggery) = x/8 > Dahi(Curd) = x/8 > Ghee(Clarified Butter) = x/16 > > And the number and procedureof the > havan = 1/10 Jaap > tarpan,= 1/10 Havan > marjan,= 1/10 Tarpan > bhrahman bhojan = 1/10 Marjan > > This everyone knows... > > So my first qustion is, From which, which Samhita or puran are these > Japa Quantity taken? > > Please, i dont contradict whats gives, but i need to know more in > depth, i respect other systems and wish to know more of this system. > > > > 2) Secondly about yantra.. > > Well the shape and size of Yantra is same, except for > > 1) Absence of Beej Mantras on Yantra > 2) Prepration on in different type of metal for amulet (taabeez) > > And MOST importantly > > Here Yantras are given for pacification of planet, while i have > learnt them for strengthening of planets. > > Its like the same issues with gemstones... > > For example, Some people make you wear Gessonite (Gomedhak) to get > better results from Rahu during Rahu Mahadasha while some people make > you stay miles away from it... same for wearing Ble Sapphire (Neelam) > during Shani Mahadadha and so on... > > While other people make you stay strictly away from these stones when > rahu, saturn etc are being maleifc. > > Although from my experience over years, i found the second option to > be better, gemstones and " even its tantrik yantra) are mean to > stengthen a planet. If a person cannot afford quality yantra, atleast > he can wear yantra as ring in precribed metal and finnger OR he can > make amulet (taabeez) out of it. > > There is only one little twist in the story though > > The Vidhi Vidhan of wearing and treating a gemstone or Yantra > > I learnt that some system have a vidhi vidhan which reverses the > procedure of rays absorbption in body... the same gemstone which was > increasing rays of certain planet in body... or same yantra which was > increasing nenergy of certain planet, can be used oppositely to > decrease the effect and energy. > > If this is the case with the yantras given in the file section, i > would like to know the asbolutely precise vidhan related to them. > This knowledge can be seriously of great use/help for all. > > Waiting for more light on these 2 topics > > Regards > Himanshu > > Gurudevo Maheshwaro Namo Namah! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 Jai Gurudev, This is really interesting discussion guys !! I want to pull out you attention from numbers to something else now..... Let's take some overview here: People across the world are interested in sadhanas. Many of them get Guru, a large portion of them are deciples of Gurudev Nikhileshwarananda, and are our fellow Gurubhais. If you are member of MTYV magazine, must have attended shivirs, seen videos of Gurudev. Everywhere regarding success of sadhana, one thing which is always repeated.... if you do not get success in one try, repeat it second time, again failure, again repeat, continue till you get success. There are probably few thousand people taking Mahavidya Diksha every year. Generally for mahavidya 1.25 lacks of mantra japa is prescribed. If done well, can be finished in just 21 days. Even considering new entrants, finishing in 1.5 - 2 years is not difficult. Do we see those many Mahavidya Siddhas around?? What conclusions can you draw from this? If just chanting mantra can get me Mahavdya siddhi.... Graha Pida is a small problem to tackle. Then why waste time in doing graha shanti for each graha? Say on the current discussion of Just one graha shanti costs me 64000 - 80000 japa, why not do 1.25 lacks of Mahavidya japa, forget of all the navagraha issues for the lifetime, and you can use that Mahavidya power to do all the Shatakarma (Maran, Mohan, Vashikaran, Ucchatan, Stambhan, Shantikaran) ? Mahavidya can give much more than any graha can ever give. Where is the issue? We see people spending their whole life for getting siddhi of just one Mahavidya.... How many times they would have chanted the mantra? Our beloved Gurudev got all 10 Mahavidyas, and much more.... what is it that he has ?...one thing is sure, its not just the count...................... how could he get success in all the Tantra sadhanas he attempted? And not only success in one or two sadhana, he got many, and mastered the whole Tantra field including all branches. He knows everything about everything !! Even if we consider time to get siddhi, no other guru ever got any siddhi as fast as Guruji got, and as much as he got. Thats why is the the third chosen deciple of Param Gurudev Satchitanandji in past 15000 years. .... I do not want to quote my comments... let forum people discuss this, and we will get back to the count issue after this discussion. Anand's Knowledge Series: /Tantra Public chat room: http://xat.com/ISSP silver_rhine <buddhadevpc Sent: Sunday, 22 February, 2009 12:11:53 AM Re: Planetc Pacification (Grah Shanti) Hi Himanshu,You have raised a very pertinent question and am sure someone will soon answer you. After reading your post, few questions have arisen in my mind:1) Regarding the ratio of the havan to jaap as 1:10, I would like to ask you that if it is possible in every case. Because, according to the file uploaded here (at least for the Shukra Graha Pida Nivaran) case, it doesn't really distinguish between the number of japa and number of homam. In fact, if I were to understand correctly, the number of homam (for Kali yug as they say its 64,000... its a different thing that your number is different - 80,000) corresponds to the number of mantra jaap... Is that right, or am I mistaken?2) When you say ahuti, and for the samagri you say "Til(white seasame seed)= x (u decide this depending on ahutis required)"Do you mean that if number of japa to be done is 64,000 or 80,000 (whichever is the case), then number of tils should be 64,000 or 80,000 respectively or is it by weight? Because counting would really be a mammoth task!!Also, do you have to MIX all of the listed samagri in the given ratios and then for each ahuti take a pinch of that and put it in the fire and do it for 6400 or 8000 times (1/10 of japa)?3) Is there a difference between 'pacification of planet' and 'strengthening of planet' even when it comes to homa? Or, is it that for homa both are valid at once?4)What IS the difference between pacification and strengthening of planet? Which is more effective?I would really be very grateful if you could throw some light on the above queries...Jai Gurudev!- Buddha , "scorpion_1112in" <scorpion_1112in@ ...> wrote:>> > Hello everybody, > > This is my first post in this group so my sadar pranam to all > gurubhai and group members, and especially Khatri Anandji.> > I am already an astrologer so i like to add on to my knowledge > wherever possible, always a student of life.... so I just went > through the files section of the group as i was very much interested > in knowing the Grah Shanti (Planet Pacification) methods.> > There are two things i noticed though> > 1) The numver, of Jaap, its different.> > From usually what i learnt, the jaap for a grah is same in thousand > as the number of years for which its mahadasha goes on. > > (And in kal yuga, it may have to be done 4 times <= this is only > because of lack of ability of people in kalyuga to remain pure, that > is totally pure during anushthan). > > This means> > 1) Sun = 6 years => 6,000 * 4 = 24,000> 2) Moon = 10 years => 10,000 * 4 = 40,000> 3) Mars = 7 years => 7,000 * 4 = 28,000> 4) Mercury = 17 years => 17,000 * 4 = 68,000> 5) Jupiter = 16 Years => 16,000 * 4 = 64,000> 6) Venus = 20 Years => 20,000 * 4 = 80,000> 7) Saturn = 19 Years => 19,000 * 4 = 76,000> 8) Rahu = 18 Years => 18,000 * 4 = 72,000> 9) Ketu = 7 Years => 7,000 * 4 = 28,000> > The mantras in that context are same as given in file section> Also the havan samidha (wood)is Same> And samagri for each ahuti aading swaha> > Til(white seasame seed)= x (u decide this depending on ahutis > required)> Rice = x/2 > Yava = x/4> Sugar = x/8> Gud (Jaggery) = x/8> Dahi(Curd) = x/8> Ghee(Clarified Butter) = x/16> > And the number and procedureof the > havan = 1/10 Jaap> tarpan,= 1/10 Havan> marjan,= 1/10 Tarpan> bhrahman bhojan = 1/10 Marjan> > This everyone knows...> > So my first qustion is, From which, which Samhita or puran are these > Japa Quantity taken?> > Please, i dont contradict whats gives, but i need to know more in > depth, i respect other systems and wish to know more of this system.> > > > 2) Secondly about yantra..> > Well the shape and size of Yantra is same, except for> > 1) Absence of Beej Mantras on Yantra> 2) Prepration on in different type of metal for amulet (taabeez)> > And MOST importantly> > Here Yantras are given for pacification of planet, while i have > learnt them for strengthening of planets.> > Its like the same issues with gemstones...> > For example, Some people make you wear Gessonite (Gomedhak) to get > better results from Rahu during Rahu Mahadasha while some people make > you stay miles away from it... same for wearing Ble Sapphire (Neelam) > during Shani Mahadadha and so on...> > While other people make you stay strictly away from these stones when > rahu, saturn etc are being maleifc.> > Although from my experience over years, i found the second option to > be better, gemstones and "even its tantrik yantra) are mean to > stengthen a planet. If a person cannot afford quality yantra, atleast > he can wear yantra as ring in precribed metal and finnger OR he can > make amulet (taabeez) out of it.> > There is only one little twist in the story though> > The Vidhi Vidhan of wearing and treating a gemstone or Yantra> > I learnt that some system have a vidhi vidhan which reverses the > procedure of rays absorbption in body... the same gemstone which was > increasing rays of certain planet in body... or same yantra which was > increasing nenergy of certain planet, can be used oppositely to > decrease the effect and energy.> > If this is the case with the yantras given in the file section, i > would like to know the asbolutely precise vidhan related to them. > This knowledge can be seriously of great use/help for all.> > Waiting for more light on these 2 topics> > Regards> Himanshu> > Gurudevo Maheshwaro Namo Namah!> Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. 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Guest guest Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 Hello everybody I see two posts as reply to my last post, and after reading them i feel like saying and explaining a few things, today is my offday and i have time so i will try to answer Buddha first and then Anand. First i am taking buddhas questions 1) Ratio of Japa Is to homa ( I am doing copy paste of something from my book, this will help) - - - The Mantra and its number, of Jaap, it's different for different planet. - - The Tantrik Mantras for Planet Pacification are (Most powerful and effective) 1) Sun = " Om Hraam Hreem Hraum Sah Suryay Namah " 2) Moon = " Om shraam Shreem Shraum Sah Chandra-masay Namah " 3) Mars = " Om Kraam Kreem Kraum Sah Bhomaay Namah " 4) Mercury = " Om Braam Breem Braum Sah Budhaay Namah " 5) Jupiter = " Om Graam Greem Graum Sah Guruvay Namah " 6) Venus = " Om Draam Dreem Draum Sah Shukraay Namah " 7) Saturn = " Om Praam Preem Praum Sah Shan-vay Namah " 8) Rahu = " Om Chhraam Chhreem Chhraum Sah Rahu-vay Namah " 9) Ketu = " Om Ayeim Hreem Ketvay Namah " The Short Tantrik Mantra for Planets are (Medium range, mostly used in Yantras and offerings) 1) Sun = " Om Ghrini Aadityaay Namah " 2) Moon = " Om Som Somaay Namah Namah " 3) Mars = " Om Ang Angaar-kaaray Namah " 4) Mercury = " Om Boom Budhaay Namah " 5) Jupiter = " Om Brim Brihaspat-yay Namah " 6) Venus = " Om Shoom Shukray Namah " 7) Saturn = " Om Sham Shanesh-charay Namah " 8) Rahu = " Om Raam Rahu-vay Namah " 9) Ketu = " Om Kaim Ketvay Namah " The jaap for a planet/grah is same in thousand as the number of years for which its mahadasha goes on. (And in kal yuga, it may have to be done 4 times <= this is only because of lack of ability of people in kalyuga to remain pure, that is totally pure during anushthan). This means 1) Sun = 6 years => 6,000 * 4 = 24,000 2) Moon = 10 years => 10,000 * 4 = 40,000 3) Mars = 7 years => 7,000 * 4 = 28,000 4) Mercury = 17 years => 17,000 * 4 = 68,000 5) Jupiter = 16 Years => 16,000 * 4 = 64,000 6) Venus = 20 Years => 20,000 * 4 = 80,000 7) Saturn = 19 Years => 19,000 * 4 = 76,000 8) Rahu = 18 Years => 18,000 * 4 = 72,000 9) Ketu = 7 Years => 7,000 * 4 = 28,000 - - - - - - Procedure of Following Jaap, Havan, Tarpan, Maarjan, Brahman Bhojan The number and procedure of the Havan = 1/10 Jaap Tarpan,= 1/10 Havan Marjan,= 1/10 Tarpan Brahman bhojan = 1/10 Marjan For example: Mantra Jaap = 1,00,000 (=> 1,000 Mala / Rounds of Rosary) => Havan = 10 % of Mantra Jaap = 10 % of 1,00,000 = 10,000 (=> 100 Mala) => Tarpan = 10 % of Havan = 10 % of 10,000 = 1,000 (=> 10 Mala) => Maarjan = 10 % of Tarpan = 10 % of 1,000 = 100 (=> 1 Mala) => Brahman Bhojan = 10 % of 100 = 10 - - - If one is not doing havan, tarpan, maarjan after Mantra Jaap then he can take sankalp for Tarpan and do twice jap for tarpan, sanaklp and twice jap for Maarjan, so the numbers it become Jap in lieu of Havan = 2 * 100 = 200 Mala Jap in lieu of Tarpan = 2 * 10 = 20 Mala Jap in lieu of Marjan = 2 * 1 = 2 Mala Jap in lieu of Brahman = 1 mala (if less than 108, we do atleast one 1 mala) - - - - - - - - - 2) Regarding Samidha (wood) and Samagri for Ahuti (I'll again copy paste from my book but explain more this time) Samidha (Wood Sticks) for various planets 1) Sun = Aak Wood 2) Moon = Palash Wood 3) Mars = khair Wood 4) Mercury = Apa-maarga Wood 5) Jupiter = Peepal Wood 6) Venus = Goolar Wood 7) Saturn = Shami Wood 8) Rahu = Druva 9) Ketu = Kusha And samagri for each ahuti aading swaha Til(white seasame seed)= x (u decide this depending on ahutis required) Rice = x/2 Yava = x/4 Sugar = x/8 Gud (Jaggery) = x/8 Dahi(Curd) = x/8 Ghee(Clarified Butter) = x/16 - - - Now specifically taking your example of Venus. Venus Jaap = 80,000 => Number of Ahutis required saying " Om Draam Dreem Draum Sah Shukray Namah Swaha " = 10 % of 80,00 = 8,000 (this means 80 rounds of rosary) But to be practical, i never put that many ahutis because it's very expensive, although it's ideal thing to do but it's expensive. Like what i will do is, Make 1000 Ahutis, => 10 Mala. (mala = rosary round), So i am left with 70 Mala, so i will do 140 more rounds in lieu of ideal 70 more mala havan that was required. But be careful, you will have to announce this in the sankalp for havan that you will give 1000 ahutis and then do double jap for remaining ahutis (offerings). Or you can completely skip homam and directly do 80*2 = 160 rounds of rosary by taking sankalp. But i usually prefer atleast some homa, because it mean what you are offering to fire, breaks up into subtle form and goes directly to the deity for whom you are doing the homam. - - - And further about the samagri for homam Lets say you have to do homam for 1,000 Ahutis. Lets say that takes 1600 grams of ahuti (=> x = 1600gm) (very rough example, but i am using this number 1600 for sheer ease of calculation) =>Til(white seasame seed)= 1600 gm =>Rice = 800 gm =>Yava = 400 gm =>Sugar = 200 gm =>Gud (Jaggery) = 200 gm =>Dahi(Curd) = 200 gm =>Ghee(Clarified Butter) = 100gm Total Weight of Misture = 3500 gm = 3.5 kg You have to offer the a mixture with this composition okay, " the mixture " for ahuti. Remember, take the Til amound as the mean. And to be precise, if you want to be very scientific about it, then calculate total amount of ahuti that you can put on a small teaspoon. Multiply that by the number of ahutis you want, then you will get the total weight of the mixture you need and then decide quantity of specific ingredient accordingly. Oh and one thing, remember this composition of mixture is for Navgrah Shanti, for homam of other purpose, samidha (wood) Ingredient of Ahut and basically whole procedure is different. So if this is your first homam, then remember this composition applies to Navgrah Shanti only. - - - - - - - 3) Difference Between Planet Pacification and Strengthening... and application of Homam if required. Well ofcourse there IS difference between Pacification and strengthening (will explain in answer to your next question) About Homa, well from my learning and experience, its done after certain jap and you decide for what purpose you are doing a Jaap. That basically applies to any sort of Mantra Anushthan in general. Homa is after jap. But for strengthening, jaap is not always required. There are other methods for that like gemstones, yantras, prayogs of the yantra, storas, kavachas etc. - - - - - 4) Which is better, Planet Pacification or Strengthening Well this is an absolute basic question of astrology; if you don't know the precise answer for this question then you are not in a situation for remedies as such. Lets take example of any Healing Science, Doctor Job (as i am) You need to be master of 4 things help someone 1) Anatomy (Structure of Body) 2) Physiology (Working of Structure) 3) Pathology (how structure gets infected/diseases/injured) 4) Medicine (how to overcome infection, diseases, injury) Taking this in astrological sense, you should know 1) Precise placement of planets in different charts, 2) Their working (exactly what +ve or -ve phal/result they are yeilding), 3) Which planets are causing suffering? 4) Which remedies for those planets? Basically all astrological (and i mean classical astrological ones as from purans) remedies work on a) Strengthening of Benefic Planet b) Pacification of Malefic Planet Actually explaining this one point may as well mean explaining whole of astrology to you, ha ha.... so i will wrap it short and say Yes, both these can be... should be applied together, but as you know, medicine should only be given by an expert, wrong medicine could aggravate the problem, so be careful. - - - - - - - - - - Now coming on to Anandas point... First, plz let me numerate various ways of Planet Pacification Grah Shanti 1) Wearing Gemstones Strengthening a benefic planet also protects from malefic ones. 2) Puja (Worship) Simple worship of unfavorable planet.. shodashupchar, panchopchar.. with their viniyog, shyan, path.. etc 3) Kavach Paath (wearing astral armor) Tantrokt Kavach path of the favorable planets protects from malefic effect of unfavorable ones. 4) Japa This is like more advanced and rigorous form of Puja where you do thousand of chants for pacifying malefic planet. 5) Donation Daan of malefic planet is also one way of pacifying it 6) Vrat (Fasting) Fasting on specific days of malefic planet, with sankalp and systematic worship of malefic planet is way to pacify them. 7) Yantra Getting a banefic planets Yantra from a Tantrik (common men cannot make it, only initialized tantrik knows how) is also one way of protection from malefic planet. 8) Tantrik Totka This simple way of messing (yes practically interfering and messing) with working of malefic planet by getting control on their kaark Tatvas (causal elements) Like Kaark Tatva as Rasa (taste) for Mars is Sweet, so you donate sweet naan on tuesday, this doesn't let a malefic mars play it game, on contrary is reverses. Causal colours of mars is red, day for mars is Tuesday... colors for Jupiter is yellow, day is Thursday... and so on. Causal taste of venus is sour, for saturn is salty.. and so on. These totaks are very simple, very quick to apply and still very effective. 9) *** Tantrik Mantra Sadhna *** (Spiritual Practice) If the person suffering from malefic planet, opts to get diksha for a Tantrik Mantra from a Sadguru and does Sadhna, or gets it done by some tantrik, then also he can get his those wishes fulfilled which were not being fulfilled because of malefic planets. Lets discuss one of the practical example which i took Lets say someone has Rahu (Dragons Head) and Saturn in 7th house on Aries (Maish rashi) of their enemy Mars, their total enemy, and on top of that the lord of 7th house, Mars falls in 8th house and is totally dibilited on Taurus sign of Venus... plus Ketu is having full negative aspect on Aries sign of Mars in 7th house In such a case, such a person's marital life and money situation life will be totally disturbed, or let me say destroyed Now the severity of the situation is such, that even complete application of the traditional planet pacification procedures, will give only a little success. Come on, lets be serious and honest... as an astrologer i know exactly " how much " of a difference which remedy can make in someone's life and i know the limits of traditional astrological solutions. But if he opts for a Tantrik Sadhna, then he will be able to overcome ill effect of malefic planet. Like in this case, if he manages to get succes in a Matangi Mahavidya, no matter what his thousand past lives bad karmas may have been... that lead to such a bad placement of planet in his chart... his power of sadhna will overcome that karma and still give him wonderful marital life and loads of wealth. 10) *** Rudraksh *** Ruraksh (scientifically known as Utrasum seeds) also actually come in Tantrik Category. They are tears and jewels of lord Shiva. And well what can i say about power of lord shiva... whatever i say will be less and sound more of an insult to him... but still i will try, Ruraksh are not gemstone but they can be thousand times more powerful than any gemstone, but that totally depends on the person wearing it. A gemstone is more of one time effort, you can do pran pratishtha and wear it forever... if it gives say 10 units goodness, then it will keep giving that till its life (although recharging them after 3-4 years if good way of cleansing any negativity they gain) But a ruraksh, needs more attention and care, and if its treated properly, it can give you 1000 units of goodness, but still, observing how common men treat them, they effectiveness is reduced to same as gemstone or little more. One must know tantrik procedure associated for them and follow rules of wearing them (like don't wear at night, especially not if you have sex at night, no way!) Still for basic purpose, one can do sankar of ruraksh (initialize and energies) and wear it. The number of facets of rudraksh is the most critical thing. Although some people associate different number of facet to different planet, but i have found out the number of facet corresponds to number of houses in a birth chart Like in the above example, 7th house is badly inflicted, so he can wear a 7 facet rudraksh for that. - - - - - - The last two remedies are actually " beyond " planet pacification... Infact Tantrik Sadhna can be called a cheat code to fate itself! Anand bhai, its true i agree, but the point is... extremely few people are ready to take up that kind of task. Even to do sadhna some character is required, a dedication to Guru is required, in reality this is rare! Infact if someone is willing to go higher, i can tell him ways to completely alter his birth char itself! Yes, its possible! Even without Tantrik Sadhna, but when i tell this to someone... they think of me as fool. Because their minds are so closed with what they know and believe right now... These techniques, even beyond tantra, that i am talking right now are very rare and known to very few human beings on this planet. Only about 4000 people out of 6 Billion. Think of it... doing a Maha Anushthan of 24,00,000 Gayatri month... in just 6 hours! Sounds illogical right? When even one mantra takes 10 seconds, 3 -4 mala take one house... then how can someone chant 24 00 000 mantra within 6 hours? Well that's one of the secrets of higher planes, and siddhashram is also such place of secret high level sadhnas, the land of masters. And with these techniques, the phal/result you get from that, you can gain that in just 3 hours! Anyhow, i will stop this extremely high level point here and come back to more ground reality point of Mahavidya. - - - - - - - Anand bhai, there is a saying " Raheeman dekh Badhein ko... lagu naa dijay daari... Jahan Kaam aaye suyi... kaha karay tarwari! " (Never under estimate small after looking at big... the place where you need need... what will you do with a sword!?) Same is true for various sadhnas, their levels. Because peoples level should match a Sadhaks level! Actually this is a big topic, i will try to wrap it short. - - - " " " Concept of True Isht and Sure Short Sadhna Siddhi " " " Success in sadhna largely depends on your aptitude for certain deities Sadhna... if as an astrologer you know how to find Isht Deva of a person out of 33 crore deities, then you would know what i am saying. Usually people make a deity of their liking as their Isht Deva but thats not wise... that's like a patient deciding which medicine he should take. Right way is to consult a guru or good astrologer. A guru or good astrologer can find that out for you... and know this, you may worship other deities for 20 years and still be waiting... while you worship your Isht deva as told to you by your guru, then you can gain astonishing success in 2 years itself. This finding of Isht Deva is directly related to Tattva Gyan. A guru has enlightened vision, he can see through your soul and in an instance decide which tattva in your physical and subtle body needs to be corrected and which deity corresponding to that Tattva will yield fastest result for you... while an astrologer can use his knowledge and intellect as his this eye to guide someone on right sadhna. Its like although wealth luxury (aishwarya dhan laabh) is Maha Lakshmi's department... but in reality any other deity if worshiped properly, can grant you all that. So sometimes worshiping your Isht deva and asking for things not related to genric department of your Isht deva, will still yield you faster results, sure shot results. Like you can say why worship kul deva when Shiva is the supreme... but stil kul deva has is importance! People come to astrologers for problems in material life... you can just tell them why run after pain pleasure and happiness of this physical world... why not directly do Kundalini Sadhna and go beyond even happiness to bliss... But do you think that is practical? Ofcourse not, hence every sadhna, even grah shanti at its level has its prime importance. - - - - - - And now taking case of our Guruji... First thing, he wasn't an ordinary human being, even before being born he was already a Siddha in his past life. This actually applies to almost any spiritual master you may see anywhere in world, they had gone beyond the point of no return, no fall back Like : Jesus was already enlightened under Essenes group from master Mosses. Same is true for Sai Baba, or Mahavira... Infact in Gautam Buddhas case, the legends have it written, the moment he gained devine realization under that bodhi tree... All the gods and goddesses of heaven, even Brahma Vishnu Mahesha came to his feet and said " Array bhagwan yeh kya kiya... aapne to wo prapt kar liya jo aaj tak kisi ne prapt nahin kiya " (you have attained what no one has attained till today in this kalpa) He totally deciphered the damn coding of the universe itself! In reality, our Guru had done Sadhnas for thousands of year before, so you can imagine the purity of his mind and level of his consciousness. Masters take a human birth for specific purposes. Although they are masters but its rule of physical realm that they still have to again do all the sadhnas, again rise kundli, but they are able to do this because their consciousness is already at an high level and their minds are pure. And actually this will also explain to you " why the thousands of people taking dikshas for Mahavidya Sadhnas are not Siddhas " But this does not mean that we cannot succeed in them hence we should not even think of them, its just that we have to move in different ways, directly doing those sadhna is not one of those ways. One has to work on deeper purification, correcting of Tattvas in his body and soul to be ready for all sadhna (guru mantra is base for that purpose) There is a famous example, " How can a metal ring float in water? " Answer " Well it can float if the ring is put around a light stick " In this case, light stick is the master. Although he will not leave you there, a master's true aim is always to make his disciple a master, so more training. - - - Getting back to use of classical astrological solutions Think about it... even Dashrath, father of Lord Rama, the king of Aayodhya! He had to do pacification of Saturn, He could have asked the Raaj Guru Kashyap to do certain tantrik sadhna but even his guru told him other way. On top of that, he had to get done a Putra Kaameshti Homam, Even kashyap, guru of Rama had to direct dashrath somewhere as because that time only one rishi was expert of Atharveda Putra Kaameshthi Yagya hence Dashratha had to beg with tears in front of him, wash rishi's feet with his tears... And later, he actually had to ask Saturn to stop in his path so that his sons may have good birth chart. So please, i hope you understand Astrology is no joke. Its a great tool for knowing the precise problem coming due to results of past life karma and events. Infact even if you classify this as a tool, then saamudrik gyan and jyotish is Sthool (Gross) while things like karnpishachni, vaartal devi siddhi, Panchanguli Sadhna, Agyra Chakra Siddhi (complete psychic sense) these are subtle sciences. While astrology can give you blue print of someons life, these subtle sciences can give you fine details. STILL, Astrology has its own place and importance. Some places, infact most places a Sthool (gross) but quick and easy to use sceince is required. And being a true sadhak, you would know, that almost all tantrik sadhna require certain muhrat. You cannot imagine sadhna success without right muhrat. - - - - And finally, the purpose of remedies Everything in universe has three levels 1) Physical --(Matter) 2) Mental ----(Energy) 3) Spiritual -(Consciousness) Finally, lord shiva, cause of the three causes, lord of Maha Maya Shakti. More than 70% of problems in life arise due to a mental or spiritual cause, infact let me say purely spiritual cause, and " " " A Spiritual level problem asks for a Spiritual level Solution! " " " Birth chart tell you your destiny... and your destiny is nothing but what you carry from last lives, your mentality and karma account. And when it comes to using Spiritual Level Solution, Sadhna, it basically deals with correcting the problems in ones destiny (result of past karma and events). Astrology is a wonderful tool in quickly determining the severity of a problem nd if you are very good astrologer, you can know cause of it in past life. 1) A Mild problem due to destiny can be solved by moderate spiritual practice (like sadhna which may include Tantrik Prayog demanding 5-6 hours a day from person) 2) A Moderate problem due to destiny can be solved by intense Sadhna (this may be like an Anushthan that demands 12-14 hours a day) 3) A Severe problem due to destiny, cannot be solved by even expert level sadhna which goes for 16+ hours a day, it can only be solved by Gurus grace where Guru will have to use some of his spiritual power to uplift a person from that misery. But mind you, no guru will readily do that, its not good. Even if you have that much spiritual power, it's not wise to take this step. Most of suffering in life, no matter how unfair and extreme they look to a person, are meant to teach them a lesson... and if you solve the problem, then that person does not get suffering and deep down doesn't change himself, you actually inhibit his growth. Although these days. as you can see on TV, it has become a market to offer best spiritual solution to help people get of their suffering due to fate! None of them is a true master; hence their results are also minimal A true guru never does that... but if he can see doing that leads to your spiritual growth, then he might do it. Mind you, spiritual growth does not mean material growth... Spiritual growth means dissolution of mind, merging with god But still, he might help in material growth only if he sees that will lead to spiritual growth. Like if a person is so frustrated about no money situation in life that he is too busy making his and other peoples life hell... not even thinking about spiritual growth, then he might solve it so that atleast then he will look at spiritual growth, but even then, first he will try to advise that person a sadhna so he can do it himself, A master by himself has far more spiritual energy than even deities, but his job is not to provide you material luxuries that trap you more in this physical dimension... that job is left to devi/devtas (deities) His job is to help you become a master, move to bliss. Take you to Siddhashram, land of Masters. Deities reside only in third loka.. Swarga (heaven) but there are places universe far more superior to even heaven. Master plane (loka) is the highest, closest to the formless OM. One precaution thought, even if someone becomes a master of Tantra for material gains by overcoming even destiny… he will be like a man who learnt to master the horses of his chariot (ratha) but forgot where he was supposed to go. So always remember that as aim, when you do " any " sadhna or even advise someone else a Sadhna. Love, light and joy! Peace and Abundance! Dr Himanshu Gurudevo Maheshwaro Namo Namah , Khatri Anand <khatrianand wrote: > > Jai Gurudev, > > This is really interesting discussion guys !! > > I want to pull out you attention from numbers to something else now..... > > > Let's take some overview here: > > 1. People across the world are interested in sadhanas. Many of them get Guru, a large portion of them are deciples of Gurudev Nikhileshwarananda, and are our fellow Gurubhais. If you are member of MTYV magazine, must have attended shivirs, seen videos of Gurudev. Everywhere regarding success of sadhana, one thing which is always repeated.... if you do not get success in one try, repeat it second time, again failure, again repeat, continue till you get success. > 2. There are probably few thousand people taking Mahavidya Diksha every year. Generally for mahavidya 1.25 lacks of mantra japa is prescribed. If done well, can be finished in just 21 days. Even considering new entrants, finishing in 1..5 - 2 years is not difficult. Do we see those many Mahavidya Siddhas around?? > > What conclusions can you draw from this? > > If just chanting mantra can get me Mahavdya siddhi.... Graha Pida is a small problem to tackle. > > Then why waste time in doing graha shanti for each graha? > > Say on the current discussion of Just one graha shanti costs me 64000 - 80000 japa, why not do 1.25 lacks of Mahavidya japa, forget of all the navagraha issues for the lifetime, and you can use that Mahavidya power to do all the Shatakarma (Maran, Mohan, Vashikaran, Ucchatan, Stambhan, Shantikaran) ? Mahavidya can give much more than any graha can ever give. > > Where is the issue? We see people spending their whole life for getting siddhi of just one Mahavidya.... How many times they would have chanted the mantra? > > Our beloved Gurudev got all 10 Mahavidyas, and much more..... what is it that he has ?...one thing is sure, its not just the count...................... how could he get success in all the Tantra sadhanas he attempted? > > And not only success in one or two sadhana, he got many, and mastered the whole Tantra field including all branches. He knows everything about everything !! > > Even if we consider time to get siddhi, no other guru ever got any siddhi as fast as Guruji got, and as much as he got. Thats why is the the third chosen deciple of Param Gurudev Satchitanandji in past 15000 years. > > > ... I do not want to quote my comments.... let forum people discuss this, and we will get back to the count issue after this discussion. > > Anand's Knowledge Series: > > > / > Tantra Public chat room: http://xat.com/ISSP > > > > > ________________________________ > silver_rhine <buddhadevpc > > Sunday, 22 February, 2009 12:11:53 AM > Re: Planetc Pacification (Grah Shanti) > > > Hi Himanshu, > > You have raised a very pertinent question and am sure someone will > soon answer you. After reading your post, few questions have arisen > in my mind: > > 1) Regarding the ratio of the havan to jaap as 1:10, I would like to > ask you that if it is possible in every case. Because, according to > the file uploaded here (at least for the Shukra Graha Pida Nivaran) > case, it doesn't really distinguish between the number of japa and > number of homam. In fact, if I were to understand correctly, the > number of homam (for Kali yug as they say its 64,000... its a > different thing that your number is different - 80,000) corresponds > to the number of mantra jaap... Is that right, or am I mistaken? > > 2) When you say ahuti, and for the samagri you say > " Til(white seasame seed)= x (u decide this depending on ahutis > required) " > > Do you mean that if number of japa to be done is 64,000 or 80,000 > (whichever is the case), then number of tils should be 64,000 or > 80,000 respectively or is it by weight? Because counting would really > be a mammoth task!! > > Also, do you have to MIX all of the listed samagri in the given > ratios and then for each ahuti take a pinch of that and put it in the > fire and do it for 6400 or 8000 times (1/10 of japa)? > > 3) Is there a difference between 'pacification of planet' > and 'strengthening of planet' even when it comes to homa? Or, is it > that for homa both are valid at once? > > 4)What IS the difference between pacification and strengthening of > planet? Which is more effective? > > I would really be very grateful if you could throw some light on the > above queries... > > Jai Gurudev! > > - Buddha > > , " scorpion_1112in " > <scorpion_1112in@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Hello everybody, > > > > This is my first post in this group so my sadar pranam to all > > gurubhai and group members, and especially Khatri Anandji. > > > > I am already an astrologer so i like to add on to my knowledge > > wherever possible, always a student of life.... so I just went > > through the files section of the group as i was very much > interested > > in knowing the Grah Shanti (Planet Pacification) methods. > > > > There are two things i noticed though > > > > 1) The numver, of Jaap, its different. > > > > From usually what i learnt, the jaap for a grah is same in thousand > > as the number of years for which its mahadasha goes on. > > > > (And in kal yuga, it may have to be done 4 times <= this is only > > because of lack of ability of people in kalyuga to remain pure, > that > > is totally pure during anushthan). > > > > This means > > > > 1) Sun = 6 years => 6,000 * 4 = 24,000 > > 2) Moon = 10 years => 10,000 * 4 = 40,000 > > 3) Mars = 7 years => 7,000 * 4 = 28,000 > > 4) Mercury = 17 years => 17,000 * 4 = 68,000 > > 5) Jupiter = 16 Years => 16,000 * 4 = 64,000 > > 6) Venus = 20 Years => 20,000 * 4 = 80,000 > > 7) Saturn = 19 Years => 19,000 * 4 = 76,000 > > 8) Rahu = 18 Years => 18,000 * 4 = 72,000 > > 9) Ketu = 7 Years => 7,000 * 4 = 28,000 > > > > The mantras in that context are same as given in file section > > Also the havan samidha (wood)is Same > > And samagri for each ahuti aading swaha > > > > Til(white seasame seed)= x (u decide this depending on ahutis > > required) > > Rice = x/2 > > Yava = x/4 > > Sugar = x/8 > > Gud (Jaggery) = x/8 > > Dahi(Curd) = x/8 > > Ghee(Clarified Butter) = x/16 > > > > And the number and procedureof the > > havan = 1/10 Jaap > > tarpan,= 1/10 Havan > > marjan,= 1/10 Tarpan > > bhrahman bhojan = 1/10 Marjan > > > > This everyone knows... > > > > So my first qustion is, From which, which Samhita or puran are > these > > Japa Quantity taken? > > > > Please, i dont contradict whats gives, but i need to know more in > > depth, i respect other systems and wish to know more of this system. > > > > > > > > 2) Secondly about yantra.. > > > > Well the shape and size of Yantra is same, except for > > > > 1) Absence of Beej Mantras on Yantra > > 2) Prepration on in different type of metal for amulet (taabeez) > > > > And MOST importantly > > > > Here Yantras are given for pacification of planet, while i have > > learnt them for strengthening of planets. > > > > Its like the same issues with gemstones... > > > > For example, Some people make you wear Gessonite (Gomedhak) to get > > better results from Rahu during Rahu Mahadasha while some people > make > > you stay miles away from it.... same for wearing Ble Sapphire > (Neelam) > > during Shani Mahadadha and so on... > > > > While other people make you stay strictly away from these stones > when > > rahu, saturn etc are being maleifc. > > > > Although from my experience over years, i found the second option > to > > be better, gemstones and " even its tantrik yantra) are mean to > > stengthen a planet. If a person cannot afford quality yantra, > atleast > > he can wear yantra as ring in precribed metal and finnger OR he can > > make amulet (taabeez) out of it. > > > > There is only one little twist in the story though > > > > The Vidhi Vidhan of wearing and treating a gemstone or Yantra > > > > I learnt that some system have a vidhi vidhan which reverses the > > procedure of rays absorbption in body... the same gemstone which > was > > increasing rays of certain planet in body... or same yantra which > was > > increasing nenergy of certain planet, can be used oppositely to > > decrease the effect and energy. > > > > If this is the case with the yantras given in the file section, i > > would like to know the asbolutely precise vidhan related to them. > > This knowledge can be seriously of great use/help for all. > > > > Waiting for more light on these 2 topics > > > > Regards > > Himanshu > > > > Gurudevo Maheshwaro Namo Namah! > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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Guest guest Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 Jai Gurudev, Himanshu Bhai, Aaapka ye mail hamesha ke liya preserve karane layak hai, excellent way you have put it down. Infact I was actually triggering such kind of discussions on this group, as you could see, I had shared graha shanti prayogs, and now put a question, why not mahavidya instead of graha shanti?. Your mail addresses many issues to great detail. I am very happy to have you on this group !! Warm regards, Anand Anand's Knowledge Series: /Tantra Public chat room: http://xat.com/ISSP scorpion_1112in <scorpion_1112in Sent: Monday, 23 February, 2009 4:23:15 PM Re: Planetc Pacification (Grah Shanti) Hello everybodyI see two posts as reply to my last post, and after reading them i feel like saying and explaining a few things, today is my offday and i have time so i will try to answer Buddha first and then Anand.First i am taking buddhas questions1) Ratio of Japa Is to homa( I am doing copy paste of something from my book, this will help)---The Mantra and its number, of Jaap, it's different for different planet.--The Tantrik Mantras for Planet Pacification are (Most powerful and effective)1) Sun = "Om Hraam Hreem Hraum Sah Suryay Namah"2) Moon = "Om shraam Shreem Shraum Sah Chandra-masay Namah"3) Mars = "Om Kraam Kreem Kraum Sah Bhomaay Namah"4) Mercury = "Om Braam Breem Braum Sah Budhaay Namah"5) Jupiter = "Om Graam Greem Graum Sah Guruvay Namah"6) Venus = "Om Draam Dreem Draum Sah Shukraay Namah"7) Saturn = "Om Praam Preem Praum Sah Shan-vay Namah"8) Rahu = "Om Chhraam Chhreem Chhraum Sah Rahu-vay Namah"9) Ketu = "Om Ayeim Hreem Ketvay Namah"The Short Tantrik Mantra for Planets are (Medium range, mostly used in Yantras and offerings)1) Sun = "Om Ghrini Aadityaay Namah"2) Moon = "Om Som Somaay Namah Namah"3) Mars = "Om Ang Angaar-kaaray Namah"4) Mercury = "Om Boom Budhaay Namah"5) Jupiter = "Om Brim Brihaspat-yay Namah"6) Venus = "Om Shoom Shukray Namah"7) Saturn = "Om Sham Shanesh-charay Namah"8) Rahu = "Om Raam Rahu-vay Namah"9) Ketu = "Om Kaim Ketvay Namah"The jaap for a planet/grah is same in thousand as the number of years for which its mahadasha goes on.. (And in kal yuga, it may have to be done 4 times <= this is only because of lack of ability of people in kalyuga to remain pure, that is totally pure during anushthan). This means1) Sun = 6 years => 6,000 * 4 = 24,0002) Moon = 10 years => 10,000 * 4 = 40,0003) Mars = 7 years => 7,000 * 4 = 28,0004) Mercury = 17 years => 17,000 * 4 = 68,0005) Jupiter = 16 Years => 16,000 * 4 = 64,0006) Venus = 20 Years => 20,000 * 4 = 80,0007) Saturn = 19 Years => 19,000 * 4 = 76,0008) Rahu = 18 Years => 18,000 * 4 = 72,0009) Ketu = 7 Years => 7,000 * 4 = 28,000------Procedure of Following Jaap, Havan, Tarpan, Maarjan, Brahman BhojanThe number and procedure of the Havan = 1/10 JaapTarpan,= 1/10 HavanMarjan,= 1/10 TarpanBrahman bhojan = 1/10 MarjanFor example:Mantra Jaap = 1,00,000 (=> 1,000 Mala / Rounds of Rosary) => Havan = 10 % of Mantra Jaap = 10 % of 1,00,000 = 10,000 (=> 100 Mala)=> Tarpan = 10 % of Havan = 10 % of 10,000 = 1,000 (=> 10 Mala)=> Maarjan = 10 % of Tarpan = 10 % of 1,000 = 100 (=> 1 Mala)=> Brahman Bhojan = 10 % of 100 = 10---If one is not doing havan, tarpan, maarjan after Mantra Jaap then he can take sankalp for Tarpan and do twice jap for tarpan, sanaklp and twice jap for Maarjan, so the numbers it becomeJap in lieu of Havan = 2 * 100 = 200 MalaJap in lieu of Tarpan = 2 * 10 = 20 MalaJap in lieu of Marjan = 2 * 1 = 2 MalaJap in lieu of Brahman = 1 mala (if less than 108, we do atleast one 1 mala)---------2) Regarding Samidha (wood) and Samagri for Ahuti (I'll again copy paste from my book but explain more this time)Samidha (Wood Sticks) for various planets 1) Sun = Aak Wood2) Moon = Palash Wood3) Mars = khair Wood4) Mercury = Apa-maarga Wood5) Jupiter = Peepal Wood6) Venus = Goolar Wood7) Saturn = Shami Wood8) Rahu = Druva9) Ketu = KushaAnd samagri for each ahuti aading swahaTil(white seasame seed)= x (u decide this depending on ahutis required)Rice = x/2 Yava = x/4Sugar = x/8Gud (Jaggery) = x/8Dahi(Curd) = x/8Ghee(Clarified Butter) = x/16---Now specifically taking your example of Venus.Venus Jaap = 80,000=> Number of Ahutis required saying "Om Draam Dreem Draum Sah Shukray Namah Swaha" = 10 % of 80,00 = 8,000 (this means 80 rounds of rosary)But to be practical, i never put that many ahutis because it's very expensive, although it's ideal thing to do but it's expensive.Like what i will do is, Make 1000 Ahutis, => 10 Mala. (mala = rosary round), So i am left with 70 Mala, so i will do 140 more rounds in lieu of ideal 70 more mala havan that was required.But be careful, you will have to announce this in the sankalp for havan that you will give 1000 ahutis and then do double jap for remaining ahutis (offerings).Or you can completely skip homam and directly do 80*2 = 160 rounds of rosary by taking sankalp. But i usually prefer atleast some homa, because it mean what you are offering to fire, breaks up into subtle form and goes directly to the deity for whom you are doing the homam. ---And further about the samagri for homamLets say you have to do homam for 1,000 Ahutis.Lets say that takes 1600 grams of ahuti (=> x = 1600gm)(very rough example, but i am using this number 1600 for sheer ease of calculation)=>Til(white seasame seed)= 1600 gm =>Rice = 800 gm =>Yava = 400 gm=>Sugar = 200 gm=>Gud (Jaggery) = 200 gm=>Dahi(Curd) = 200 gm=>Ghee(Clarified Butter) = 100gmTotal Weight of Misture = 3500 gm = 3.5 kgYou have to offer the a mixture with this composition okay, "the mixture" for ahuti.Remember, take the Til amound as the mean.And to be precise, if you want to be very scientific about it, then calculate total amount of ahuti that you can put on a small teaspoon. Multiply that by the number of ahutis you want, then you will get the total weight of the mixture you need and then decide quantity of specific ingredient accordingly.Oh and one thing, remember this composition of mixture is for Navgrah Shanti, for homam of other purpose, samidha (wood) Ingredient of Ahut and basically whole procedure is different. So if this is your first homam, then remember this composition applies to Navgrah Shanti only.-------3) Difference Between Planet Pacification and Strengthening. .. and application of Homam if required.Well ofcourse there IS difference between Pacification and strengthening (will explain in answer to your next question)About Homa, well from my learning and experience, its done after certain jap and you decide for what purpose you are doing a Jaap. That basically applies to any sort of Mantra Anushthan in general. Homa is after jap.But for strengthening, jaap is not always required.There are other methods for that like gemstones, yantras, prayogs of the yantra, storas, kavachas etc.-----4) Which is better, Planet Pacification or StrengtheningWell this is an absolute basic question of astrology; if you don't know the precise answer for this question then you are not in a situation for remedies as such.Lets take example of any Healing Science, Doctor Job (as i am)You need to be master of 4 things help someone1) Anatomy (Structure of Body)2) Physiology (Working of Structure)3) Pathology (how structure gets infected/diseases/ injured)4) Medicine (how to overcome infection, diseases, injury)Taking this in astrological sense, you should know 1) Precise placement of planets in different charts, 2) Their working (exactly what +ve or -ve phal/result they are yeilding), 3) Which planets are causing suffering?4) Which remedies for those planets?Basically all astrological (and i mean classical astrological ones as from purans) remedies work on a) Strengthening of Benefic Planetb) Pacification of Malefic PlanetActually explaining this one point may as well mean explaining whole of astrology to you, ha ha.... so i will wrap it short and sayYes, both these can be... should be applied together, but as you know, medicine should only be given by an expert, wrong medicine could aggravate the problem, so be careful.----------Now coming on to Anandas point...First, plz let me numerate various ways of Planet Pacification Grah Shanti1) Wearing GemstonesStrengthening a benefic planet also protects from malefic ones.2) Puja (Worship)Simple worship of unfavorable planet.. shodashupchar, panchopchar. . with their viniyog, shyan, path.. etc3) Kavach Paath (wearing astral armor)Tantrokt Kavach path of the favorable planets protects from malefic effect of unfavorable ones..4) JapaThis is like more advanced and rigorous form of Puja where you do thousand of chants for pacifying malefic planet.5) Donation Daan of malefic planet is also one way of pacifying it6) Vrat (Fasting)Fasting on specific days of malefic planet, with sankalp and systematic worship of malefic planet is way to pacify them.7) YantraGetting a banefic planets Yantra from a Tantrik (common men cannot make it, only initialized tantrik knows how) is also one way of protection from malefic planet.8) Tantrik TotkaThis simple way of messing (yes practically interfering and messing) with working of malefic planet by getting control on their kaark Tatvas (causal elements)Like Kaark Tatva as Rasa (taste) for Mars is Sweet, so you donate sweet naan on tuesday, this doesn't let a malefic mars play it game, on contrary is reverses.Causal colours of mars is red, day for mars is Tuesday... colors for Jupiter is yellow, day is Thursday... and so on.Causal taste of venus is sour, for saturn is salty... and so on.These totaks are very simple, very quick to apply and still very effective.9) *** Tantrik Mantra Sadhna *** (Spiritual Practice)If the person suffering from malefic planet, opts to get diksha for a Tantrik Mantra from a Sadguru and does Sadhna, or gets it done by some tantrik, then also he can get his those wishes fulfilled which were not being fulfilled because of malefic planets.Lets discuss one of the practical example which i tookLets say someone has Rahu (Dragons Head) and Saturn in 7th house on Aries (Maish rashi) of their enemy Mars, their total enemy, and on top of that the lord of 7th house, Mars falls in 8th house and is totally dibilited on Taurus sign of Venus... plus Ketu is having full negative aspect on Aries sign of Mars in 7th houseIn such a case, such a person's marital life and money situation life will be totally disturbed, or let me say destroyedNow the severity of the situation is such, that even complete application of the traditional planet pacification procedures, will give only a little success.Come on, lets be serious and honest... as an astrologer i know exactly "how much" of a difference which remedy can make in someone's life and i know the limits of traditional astrological solutions.But if he opts for a Tantrik Sadhna, then he will be able to overcome ill effect of malefic planet.Like in this case, if he manages to get succes in a Matangi Mahavidya, no matter what his thousand past lives bad karmas may have been... that lead to such a bad placement of planet in his chart... his power of sadhna will overcome that karma and still give him wonderful marital life and loads of wealth.10) *** Rudraksh ***Ruraksh (scientifically known as Utrasum seeds) also actually come in Tantrik Category. They are tears and jewels of lord Shiva.And well what can i say about power of lord shiva... whatever i say will be less and sound more of an insult to him... but still i will try, Ruraksh are not gemstone but they can be thousand times more powerful than any gemstone, but that totally depends on the person wearing it. A gemstone is more of one time effort, you can do pran pratishtha and wear it forever... if it gives say 10 units goodness, then it will keep giving that till its life (although recharging them after 3-4 years if good way of cleansing any negativity they gain)But a ruraksh, needs more attention and care, and if its treated properly, it can give you 1000 units of goodness, but still, observing how common men treat them, they effectiveness is reduced to same as gemstone or little more.One must know tantrik procedure associated for them and follow rules of wearing them (like don't wear at night, especially not if you have sex at night, no way!)Still for basic purpose, one can do sankar of ruraksh (initialize and energies) and wear it. The number of facets of rudraksh is the most critical thing. Although some people associate different number of facet to different planet, but i have found out the number of facet corresponds to number of houses in a birth chartLike in the above example, 7th house is badly inflicted, so he can wear a 7 facet rudraksh for that.------The last two remedies are actually "beyond" planet pacification.. ..Infact Tantrik Sadhna can be called a cheat code to fate itself!Anand bhai, its true i agree, but the point is... extremely few people are ready to take up that kind of task. Even to do sadhna some character is required, a dedication to Guru is required, in reality this is rare!Infact if someone is willing to go higher, i can tell him ways to completely alter his birth char itself! Yes, its possible!Even without Tantrik Sadhna, but when i tell this to someone... they think of me as fool. Because their minds are so closed with what they know and believe right now...These techniques, even beyond tantra, that i am talking right now are very rare and known to very few human beings on this planet. Only about 4000 people out of 6 Billion.Think of it... doing a Maha Anushthan of 24,00,000 Gayatri month... in just 6 hours!Sounds illogical right? When even one mantra takes 10 seconds, 3 -4 mala take one house... then how can someone chant 24 00 000 mantra within 6 hours?Well that's one of the secrets of higher planes, and siddhashram is also such place of secret high level sadhnas, the land of masters.And with these techniques, the phal/result you get from that, you can gain that in just 3 hours!Anyhow, i will stop this extremely high level point here and come back to more ground reality point of Mahavidya.-------Anand bhai, there is a saying"Raheeman dekh Badhein ko.... lagu naa dijay daari...Jahan Kaam aaye suyi... kaha karay tarwari!"(Never under estimate small after looking at big... the place where you need need... what will you do with a sword!?)Same is true for various sadhnas, their levels.Because peoples level should match a Sadhaks level!Actually this is a big topic, i will try to wrap it short.---"""Concept of True Isht and Sure Short Sadhna Siddhi"""Success in sadhna largely depends on your aptitude for certain deities Sadhna... if as an astrologer you know how to find Isht Deva of a person out of 33 crore deities, then you would know what i am saying.Usually people make a deity of their liking as their Isht Deva but thats not wise... that's like a patient deciding which medicine he should take. Right way is to consult a guru or good astrologer.A guru or good astrologer can find that out for you... and know this, you may worship other deities for 20 years and still be waiting... while you worship your Isht deva as told to you by your guru, then you can gain astonishing success in 2 years itself. This finding of Isht Deva is directly related to Tattva Gyan. A guru has enlightened vision, he can see through your soul and in an instance decide which tattva in your physical and subtle body needs to be corrected and which deity corresponding to that Tattva will yield fastest result for you... while an astrologer can use his knowledge and intellect as his this eye to guide someone on right sadhna.Its like although wealth luxury (aishwarya dhan laabh) is Maha Lakshmi's department.. .. but in reality any other deity if worshiped properly, can grant you all that. So sometimes worshiping your Isht deva and asking for things not related to genric department of your Isht deva, will still yield you faster results, sure shot results.Like you can say why worship kul deva when Shiva is the supreme... but stil kul deva has is importance!People come to astrologers for problems in material life... you can just tell them why run after pain pleasure and happiness of this physical world... why not directly do Kundalini Sadhna and go beyond even happiness to bliss...But do you think that is practical? Ofcourse not, hence every sadhna, even grah shanti at its level has its prime importance.------And now taking case of our Guruji... First thing, he wasn't an ordinary human being, even before being born he was already a Siddha in his past life. This actually applies to almost any spiritual master you may see anywhere in world, they had gone beyond the point of no return, no fall backLike :Jesus was already enlightened under Essenes group from master Mosses.Same is true for Sai Baba, or Mahavira...Infact in Gautam Buddhas case, the legends have it written, the moment he gained devine realization under that bodhi tree...All the gods and goddesses of heaven, even Brahma Vishnu Maheshacame to his feet and said "Array bhagwan yeh kya kiya... aapne to wo prapt kar liya jo aaj tak kisi ne prapt nahin kiya" (you have attained what no one has attained till today in this kalpa)He totally deciphered the damn coding of the universe itself!In reality, our Guru had done Sadhnas for thousands of year before, so you can imagine the purity of his mind and level of his consciousness.Masters take a human birth for specific purposes. Although they are masters but its rule of physical realm that they still have to again do all the sadhnas, again rise kundli, but they are able to do this because their consciousness is already at an high level and their minds are pure.And actually this will also explain to you "why the thousands of people taking dikshas for Mahavidya Sadhnas are not Siddhas"But this does not mean that we cannot succeed in them hence we should not even think of them, its just that we have to move in different ways, directly doing those sadhna is not one of those ways.One has to work on deeper purification, correcting of Tattvas in his body and soul to be ready for all sadhna (guru mantra is base for that purpose)There is a famous example, "How can a metal ring float in water?"Answer "Well it can float if the ring is put around a light stick"In this case, light stick is the master.Although he will not leave you there, a master's true aim is always to make his disciple a master, so more training.---Getting back to use of classical astrological solutionsThink about it... even Dashrath, father of Lord Rama, the king of Aayodhya! He had to do pacification of Saturn,He could have asked the Raaj Guru Kashyap to do certain tantrik sadhna but even his guru told him other way.On top of that, he had to get done a Putra Kaameshti Homam, Even kashyap, guru of Rama had to direct dashrath somewhere as because that time only one rishi was expert of Atharveda Putra Kaameshthi Yagya hence Dashratha had to beg with tears in front of him, wash rishi's feet with his tears...And later, he actually had to ask Saturn to stop in his path so that his sons may have good birth chart.So please, i hope you understand Astrology is no joke. Its a great tool for knowing the precise problem coming due to results of past life karma and events.Infact even if you classify this as a tool, then saamudrik gyan and jyotish is Sthool (Gross) while things like karnpishachni, vaartal devi siddhi, Panchanguli Sadhna, Agyra Chakra Siddhi (complete psychic sense) these are subtle sciences.While astrology can give you blue print of someons life, these subtle sciences can give you fine details.STILL, Astrology has its own place and importance. Some places, infact most places a Sthool (gross) but quick and easy to use sceince is required.And being a true sadhak, you would know, that almost all tantrik sadhna require certain muhrat. You cannot imagine sadhna success without right muhrat.----And finally, the purpose of remediesEverything in universe has three levels1) Physical --(Matter)2) Mental ----(Energy)3) Spiritual -(Consciousness)Finally, lord shiva, cause of the three causes, lord of Maha Maya Shakti.More than 70% of problems in life arise due to a mental or spiritual cause, infact let me say purely spiritual cause, and """A Spiritual level problem asks for a Spiritual level Solution!"""Birth chart tell you your destiny... and your destiny is nothing but what you carry from last lives, your mentality and karma account.And when it comes to using Spiritual Level Solution, Sadhna, it basically deals with correcting the problems in ones destiny (result of past karma and events).Astrology is a wonderful tool in quickly determining the severity of a problem nd if you are very good astrologer, you can know cause of it in past life.1) A Mild problem due to destiny can be solved by moderate spiritual practice (like sadhna which may include Tantrik Prayog demanding 5-6 hours a day from person)2) A Moderate problem due to destiny can be solved by intense Sadhna (this may be like an Anushthan that demands 12-14 hours a day)3) A Severe problem due to destiny, cannot be solved by even expert level sadhna which goes for 16+ hours a day, it can only be solved by Gurus grace where Guru will have to use some of his spiritual power to uplift a person from that misery.But mind you, no guru will readily do that, its not good. Even if you have that much spiritual power, it's not wise to take this step.Most of suffering in life, no matter how unfair and extreme they look to a person, are meant to teach them a lesson... and if you solve the problem, then that person does not get suffering and deep down doesn't change himself, you actually inhibit his growth.Although these days. as you can see on TV, it has become a market to offer best spiritual solution to help people get of their suffering due to fate! None of them is a true master; hence their results are also minimalA true guru never does that... but if he can see doing that leads to your spiritual growth, then he might do it.Mind you, spiritual growth does not mean material growth... Spiritual growth means dissolution of mind, merging with godBut still, he might help in material growth only if he sees that will lead to spiritual growth. Like if a person is so frustrated about no money situation in life that he is too busy making his and other peoples life hell... not even thinking about spiritual growth, then he might solve it so that atleast then he will look at spiritual growth, but even then, first he will try to advise that person a sadhna so he can do it himself,A master by himself has far more spiritual energy than even deities, but his job is not to provide you material luxuries that trap you more in this physical dimension... that job is left to devi/devtas (deities)His job is to help you become a master, move to bliss. Take you to Siddhashram, land of Masters. Deities reside only in third loka.. Swarga (heaven) but there are places universe far more superior to even heaven. Master plane (loka) is the highest, closest to the formless OM.One precaution thought, even if someone becomes a master of Tantra for material gains by overcoming even destiny… he will be like a man who learnt to master the horses of his chariot (ratha) but forgot where he was supposed to go.So always remember that as aim, when you do "any" sadhna or even advise someone else a Sadhna.Love, light and joy!Peace and Abundance!Dr HimanshuGurudevo Maheshwaro Namo Namah, Khatri Anand <khatrianand@ ...> wrote:>> Jai Gurudev,> > This is really interesting discussion guys !!> > I want to pull out you attention from numbers to something else now.....> > > Let's take some overview here:> > 1. People across the world are interested in sadhanas. Many of them get Guru, a large portion of them are deciples of Gurudev Nikhileshwarananda, and are our fellow Gurubhais. If you are member of MTYV magazine, must have attended shivirs, seen videos of Gurudev. Everywhere regarding success of sadhana, one thing which is always repeated.... if you do not get success in one try, repeat it second time, again failure, again repeat, continue till you get success.> 2. There are probably few thousand people taking Mahavidya Diksha every year. Generally for mahavidya 1.25 lacks of mantra japa is prescribed. If done well, can be finished in just 21 days. Even considering new entrants, finishing in 1..5 - 2 years is not difficult. Do we see those many Mahavidya Siddhas around??> > What conclusions can you draw from this? > > If just chanting mantra can get me Mahavdya siddhi.... Graha Pida is a small problem to tackle. > > Then why waste time in doing graha shanti for each graha? > > Say on the current discussion of Just one graha shanti costs me 64000 - 80000 japa, why not do 1.25 lacks of Mahavidya japa, forget of all the navagraha issues for the lifetime, and you can use that Mahavidya power to do all the Shatakarma (Maran, Mohan, Vashikaran, Ucchatan, Stambhan, Shantikaran) ? Mahavidya can give much more than any graha can ever give.> > Where is the issue? We see people spending their whole life for getting siddhi of just one Mahavidya... . How many times they would have chanted the mantra?> > Our beloved Gurudev got all 10 Mahavidyas, and much more..... what is it that he has ?...one thing is sure, its not just the count....... ......... ...... how could he get success in all the Tantra sadhanas he attempted? > > And not only success in one or two sadhana, he got many, and mastered the whole Tantra field including all branches. He knows everything about everything !!> > Even if we consider time to get siddhi, no other guru ever got any siddhi as fast as Guruji got, and as much as he got. Thats why is the the third chosen deciple of Param Gurudev Satchitanandji in past 15000 years.> > > ... I do not want to quote my comments.... let forum people discuss this, and we will get back to the count issue after this discussion.> > Anand's Knowledge Series: > > > http://groups. / group/guru- nikhil/> Tantra Public chat room: http://xat.com/ ISSP > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> silver_rhine <buddhadevpc@ ...>> > Sunday, 22 February, 2009 12:11:53 AM> Re: Planetc Pacification (Grah Shanti)> > > Hi Himanshu,> > You have raised a very pertinent question and am sure someone will > soon answer you. After reading your post, few questions have arisen > in my mind:> > 1) Regarding the ratio of the havan to jaap as 1:10, I would like to > ask you that if it is possible in every case. Because, according to > the file uploaded here (at least for the Shukra Graha Pida Nivaran) > case, it doesn't really distinguish between the number of japa and > number of homam. In fact, if I were to understand correctly, the > number of homam (for Kali yug as they say its 64,000... its a > different thing that your number is different - 80,000) corresponds > to the number of mantra jaap... Is that right, or am I mistaken?> > 2) When you say ahuti, and for the samagri you say > "Til(white seasame seed)= x (u decide this depending on ahutis > required)"> > Do you mean that if number of japa to be done is 64,000 or 80,000 > (whichever is the case), then number of tils should be 64,000 or > 80,000 respectively or is it by weight? Because counting would really > be a mammoth task!!> > Also, do you have to MIX all of the listed samagri in the given > ratios and then for each ahuti take a pinch of that and put it in the > fire and do it for 6400 or 8000 times (1/10 of japa)?> > 3) Is there a difference between 'pacification of planet' > and 'strengthening of planet' even when it comes to homa? Or, is it > that for homa both are valid at once?> > 4)What IS the difference between pacification and strengthening of > planet? Which is more effective?> > I would really be very grateful if you could throw some light on the > above queries...> > Jai Gurudev!> > - Buddha > > , "scorpion_1112in" > <scorpion_1112in@ ...> wrote:> >> > > > Hello everybody, > > > > This is my first post in this group so my sadar pranam to all > > gurubhai and group members, and especially Khatri Anandji.> > > > I am already an astrologer so i like to add on to my knowledge > > wherever possible, always a student of life.... so I just went > > through the files section of the group as i was very much > interested > > in knowing the Grah Shanti (Planet Pacification) methods.> > > > There are two things i noticed though> > > > 1) The numver, of Jaap, its different.> > > > From usually what i learnt, the jaap for a grah is same in thousand > > as the number of years for which its mahadasha goes on. > > > > (And in kal yuga, it may have to be done 4 times <= this is only > > because of lack of ability of people in kalyuga to remain pure, > that > > is totally pure during anushthan). > > > > This means> > > > 1) Sun = 6 years => 6,000 * 4 = 24,000> > 2) Moon = 10 years => 10,000 * 4 = 40,000> > 3) Mars = 7 years => 7,000 * 4 = 28,000> > 4) Mercury = 17 years => 17,000 * 4 = 68,000> > 5) Jupiter = 16 Years => 16,000 * 4 = 64,000> > 6) Venus = 20 Years => 20,000 * 4 = 80,000> > 7) Saturn = 19 Years => 19,000 * 4 = 76,000> > 8) Rahu = 18 Years => 18,000 * 4 = 72,000> > 9) Ketu = 7 Years => 7,000 * 4 = 28,000> > > > The mantras in that context are same as given in file section> > Also the havan samidha (wood)is Same> > And samagri for each ahuti aading swaha> > > > Til(white seasame seed)= x (u decide this depending on ahutis > > required)> > Rice = x/2 > > Yava = x/4> > Sugar = x/8> > Gud (Jaggery) = x/8> > Dahi(Curd) = x/8> > Ghee(Clarified Butter) = x/16> > > > And the number and procedureof the > > havan = 1/10 Jaap> > tarpan,= 1/10 Havan> > marjan,= 1/10 Tarpan> > bhrahman bhojan = 1/10 Marjan> > > > This everyone knows...> > > > So my first qustion is, From which, which Samhita or puran are > these > > Japa Quantity taken?> > > > Please, i dont contradict whats gives, but i need to know more in > > depth, i respect other systems and wish to know more of this system.> > > > > > > > 2) Secondly about yantra..> > > > Well the shape and size of Yantra is same, except for> > > > 1) Absence of Beej Mantras on Yantra> > 2) Prepration on in different type of metal for amulet (taabeez)> > > > And MOST importantly> > > > Here Yantras are given for pacification of planet, while i have > > learnt them for strengthening of planets.> > > > Its like the same issues with gemstones...> > > > For example, Some people make you wear Gessonite (Gomedhak) to get > > better results from Rahu during Rahu Mahadasha while some people > make > > you stay miles away from it.... same for wearing Ble Sapphire > (Neelam) > > during Shani Mahadadha and so on...> > > > While other people make you stay strictly away from these stones > when > > rahu, saturn etc are being maleifc..> > > > Although from my experience over years, i found the second option > to > > be better, gemstones and "even its tantrik yantra) are mean to > > stengthen a planet. If a person cannot afford quality yantra, > atleast > > he can wear yantra as ring in precribed metal and finnger OR he can > > make amulet (taabeez) out of it.> > > > There is only one little twist in the story though> > > > The Vidhi Vidhan of wearing and treating a gemstone or Yantra> > > > I learnt that some system have a vidhi vidhan which reverses the > > procedure of rays absorbption in body... the same gemstone which > was > > increasing rays of certain planet in body.... or same yantra which > was > > increasing nenergy of certain planet, can be used oppositely to > > decrease the effect and energy.> > > > If this is the case with the yantras given in the file section, i > > would like to know the asbolutely precise vidhan related to them. > > This knowledge can be seriously of great use/help for all.> > > > Waiting for more light on these 2 topics> > > > Regards> > Himanshu> > > > Gurudevo Maheshwaro Namo Namah!> >> > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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Guest guest Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 Thanks.An excellent and informative post.Thanks for sharing such wealth of informationregdsscorpion_1112in <scorpion_1112in Sent: Monday, 23 February, 2009 4:23:15 PM Re: Planetc Pacification (Grah Shanti) Hello everybody I see two posts as reply to my last post, and after reading them i feel like saying and explaining a few things, today is my offday and i have time so i will try to answer Buddha first and then Anand. First i am taking buddhas questions 1) Ratio of Japa Is to homa ( I am doing copy paste of something from my book, this will help) - - - The Mantra and its number, of Jaap, it's different for different planet. - - The Tantrik Mantras for Planet Pacification are (Most powerful and effective) 1) Sun = "Om Hraam Hreem Hraum Sah Suryay Namah" 2) Moon = "Om shraam Shreem Shraum Sah Chandra-masay Namah" 3) Mars = "Om Kraam Kreem Kraum Sah Bhomaay Namah" 4) Mercury = "Om Braam Breem Braum Sah Budhaay Namah" 5) Jupiter = "Om Graam Greem Graum Sah Guruvay Namah" 6) Venus = "Om Draam Dreem Draum Sah Shukraay Namah" 7) Saturn = "Om Praam Preem Praum Sah Shan-vay Namah" 8) Rahu = "Om Chhraam Chhreem Chhraum Sah Rahu-vay Namah" 9) Ketu = "Om Ayeim Hreem Ketvay Namah" The Short Tantrik Mantra for Planets are (Medium range, mostly used in Yantras and offerings) 1) Sun = "Om Ghrini Aadityaay Namah" 2) Moon = "Om Som Somaay Namah Namah" 3) Mars = "Om Ang Angaar-kaaray Namah" 4) Mercury = "Om Boom Budhaay Namah" 5) Jupiter = "Om Brim Brihaspat-yay Namah" 6) Venus = "Om Shoom Shukray Namah" 7) Saturn = "Om Sham Shanesh-charay Namah" 8) Rahu = "Om Raam Rahu-vay Namah" 9) Ketu = "Om Kaim Ketvay Namah" The jaap for a planet/grah is same in thousand as the number of years for which its mahadasha goes on. (And in kal yuga, it may have to be done 4 times <= this is only because of lack of ability of people in kalyuga to remain pure, that is totally pure during anushthan). This means 1) Sun = 6 years => 6,000 * 4 = 24,000 2) Moon = 10 years => 10,000 * 4 = 40,000 3) Mars = 7 years => 7,000 * 4 = 28,000 4) Mercury = 17 years => 17,000 * 4 = 68,000 5) Jupiter = 16 Years => 16,000 * 4 = 64,000 6) Venus = 20 Years => 20,000 * 4 = 80,000 7) Saturn = 19 Years => 19,000 * 4 = 76,000 8) Rahu = 18 Years => 18,000 * 4 = 72,000 9) Ketu = 7 Years => 7,000 * 4 = 28,000 - - - - - - Procedure of Following Jaap, Havan, Tarpan, Maarjan, Brahman Bhojan The number and procedure of the Havan = 1/10 Jaap Tarpan,= 1/10 Havan Marjan,= 1/10 Tarpan Brahman bhojan = 1/10 Marjan For example: Mantra Jaap = 1,00,000 (=> 1,000 Mala / Rounds of Rosary) => Havan = 10 % of Mantra Jaap = 10 % of 1,00,000 = 10,000 (=> 100 Mala) => Tarpan = 10 % of Havan = 10 % of 10,000 = 1,000 (=> 10 Mala) => Maarjan = 10 % of Tarpan = 10 % of 1,000 = 100 (=> 1 Mala) => Brahman Bhojan = 10 % of 100 = 10 - - - If one is not doing havan, tarpan, maarjan after Mantra Jaap then he can take sankalp for Tarpan and do twice jap for tarpan, sanaklp and twice jap for Maarjan, so the numbers it become Jap in lieu of Havan = 2 * 100 = 200 Mala Jap in lieu of Tarpan = 2 * 10 = 20 Mala Jap in lieu of Marjan = 2 * 1 = 2 Mala Jap in lieu of Brahman = 1 mala (if less than 108, we do atleast one 1 mala) - - - - - - - - - 2) Regarding Samidha (wood) and Samagri for Ahuti (I'll again copy paste from my book but explain more this time) Samidha (Wood Sticks) for various planets 1) Sun = Aak Wood 2) Moon = Palash Wood 3) Mars = khair Wood 4) Mercury = Apa-maarga Wood 5) Jupiter = Peepal Wood 6) Venus = Goolar Wood 7) Saturn = Shami Wood 8) Rahu = Druva 9) Ketu = Kusha And samagri for each ahuti aading swaha Til(white seasame seed)= x (u decide this depending on ahutis required) Rice = x/2 Yava = x/4 Sugar = x/8 Gud (Jaggery) = x/8 Dahi(Curd) = x/8 Ghee(Clarified Butter) = x/16 - - - Now specifically taking your example of Venus. Venus Jaap = 80,000 => Number of Ahutis required saying "Om Draam Dreem Draum Sah Shukray Namah Swaha" = 10 % of 80,00 = 8,000 (this means 80 rounds of rosary) But to be practical, i never put that many ahutis because it's very expensive, although it's ideal thing to do but it's expensive. Like what i will do is, Make 1000 Ahutis, => 10 Mala. (mala = rosary round), So i am left with 70 Mala, so i will do 140 more rounds in lieu of ideal 70 more mala havan that was required. But be careful, you will have to announce this in the sankalp for havan that you will give 1000 ahutis and then do double jap for remaining ahutis (offerings). Or you can completely skip homam and directly do 80*2 = 160 rounds of rosary by taking sankalp. But i usually prefer atleast some homa, because it mean what you are offering to fire, breaks up into subtle form and goes directly to the deity for whom you are doing the homam. - - - And further about the samagri for homam Lets say you have to do homam for 1,000 Ahutis. Lets say that takes 1600 grams of ahuti (=> x = 1600gm) (very rough example, but i am using this number 1600 for sheer ease of calculation) =>Til(white seasame seed)= 1600 gm =>Rice = 800 gm =>Yava = 400 gm =>Sugar = 200 gm =>Gud (Jaggery) = 200 gm =>Dahi(Curd) = 200 gm =>Ghee(Clarified Butter) = 100gm Total Weight of Misture = 3500 gm = 3.5 kg You have to offer the a mixture with this composition okay, "the mixture" for ahuti. Remember, take the Til amound as the mean. And to be precise, if you want to be very scientific about it, then calculate total amount of ahuti that you can put on a small teaspoon. Multiply that by the number of ahutis you want, then you will get the total weight of the mixture you need and then decide quantity of specific ingredient accordingly. Oh and one thing, remember this composition of mixture is for Navgrah Shanti, for homam of other purpose, samidha (wood) Ingredient of Ahut and basically whole procedure is different. So if this is your first homam, then remember this composition applies to Navgrah Shanti only. - - - - - - - 3) Difference Between Planet Pacification and Strengthening. .. and application of Homam if required. Well ofcourse there IS difference between Pacification and strengthening (will explain in answer to your next question) About Homa, well from my learning and experience, its done after certain jap and you decide for what purpose you are doing a Jaap.. That basically applies to any sort of Mantra Anushthan in general. Homa is after jap. But for strengthening, jaap is not always required. There are other methods for that like gemstones, yantras, prayogs of the yantra, storas, kavachas etc. - - - - - 4) Which is better, Planet Pacification or Strengthening Well this is an absolute basic question of astrology; if you don't know the precise answer for this question then you are not in a situation for remedies as such. Lets take example of any Healing Science, Doctor Job (as i am) You need to be master of 4 things help someone 1) Anatomy (Structure of Body) 2) Physiology (Working of Structure) 3) Pathology (how structure gets infected/diseases/ injured) 4) Medicine (how to overcome infection, diseases, injury) Taking this in astrological sense, you should know 1) Precise placement of planets in different charts, 2) Their working (exactly what +ve or -ve phal/result they are yeilding), 3) Which planets are causing suffering? 4) Which remedies for those planets? Basically all astrological (and i mean classical astrological ones as from purans) remedies work on a) Strengthening of Benefic Planet b) Pacification of Malefic Planet Actually explaining this one point may as well mean explaining whole of astrology to you, ha ha.... so i will wrap it short and say Yes, both these can be.... should be applied together, but as you know, medicine should only be given by an expert, wrong medicine could aggravate the problem, so be careful. - - - - - - - - - - Now coming on to Anandas point... First, plz let me numerate various ways of Planet Pacification Grah Shanti 1) Wearing Gemstones Strengthening a benefic planet also protects from malefic ones. 2) Puja (Worship) Simple worship of unfavorable planet.. shodashupchar, panchopchar. . with their viniyog, shyan, path.. etc 3) Kavach Paath (wearing astral armor) Tantrokt Kavach path of the favorable planets protects from malefic effect of unfavorable ones. 4) Japa This is like more advanced and rigorous form of Puja where you do thousand of chants for pacifying malefic planet. 5) Donation Daan of malefic planet is also one way of pacifying it 6) Vrat (Fasting) Fasting on specific days of malefic planet, with sankalp and systematic worship of malefic planet is way to pacify them. 7) Yantra Getting a banefic planets Yantra from a Tantrik (common men cannot make it, only initialized tantrik knows how) is also one way of protection from malefic planet. 8) Tantrik Totka This simple way of messing (yes practically interfering and messing) with working of malefic planet by getting control on their kaark Tatvas (causal elements) Like Kaark Tatva as Rasa (taste) for Mars is Sweet, so you donate sweet naan on tuesday, this doesn't let a malefic mars play it game, on contrary is reverses. Causal colours of mars is red, day for mars is Tuesday... colors for Jupiter is yellow, day is Thursday... and so on. Causal taste of venus is sour, for saturn is salty.. and so on. These totaks are very simple, very quick to apply and still very effective. 9) *** Tantrik Mantra Sadhna *** (Spiritual Practice) If the person suffering from malefic planet, opts to get diksha for a Tantrik Mantra from a Sadguru and does Sadhna, or gets it done by some tantrik, then also he can get his those wishes fulfilled which were not being fulfilled because of malefic planets. Lets discuss one of the practical example which i took Lets say someone has Rahu (Dragons Head) and Saturn in 7th house on Aries (Maish rashi) of their enemy Mars, their total enemy, and on top of that the lord of 7th house, Mars falls in 8th house and is totally dibilited on Taurus sign of Venus... plus Ketu is having full negative aspect on Aries sign of Mars in 7th house In such a case, such a person's marital life and money situation life will be totally disturbed, or let me say destroyed Now the severity of the situation is such, that even complete application of the traditional planet pacification procedures, will give only a little success. Come on, lets be serious and honest... as an astrologer i know exactly "how much" of a difference which remedy can make in someone's life and i know the limits of traditional astrological solutions. But if he opts for a Tantrik Sadhna, then he will be able to overcome ill effect of malefic planet. Like in this case, if he manages to get succes in a Matangi Mahavidya, no matter what his thousand past lives bad karmas may have been.... that lead to such a bad placement of planet in his chart... his power of sadhna will overcome that karma and still give him wonderful marital life and loads of wealth. 10) *** Rudraksh *** Ruraksh (scientifically known as Utrasum seeds) also actually come in Tantrik Category. They are tears and jewels of lord Shiva. And well what can i say about power of lord shiva... whatever i say will be less and sound more of an insult to him... but still i will try, Ruraksh are not gemstone but they can be thousand times more powerful than any gemstone, but that totally depends on the person wearing it. A gemstone is more of one time effort, you can do pran pratishtha and wear it forever... if it gives say 10 units goodness, then it will keep giving that till its life (although recharging them after 3-4 years if good way of cleansing any negativity they gain) But a ruraksh, needs more attention and care, and if its treated properly, it can give you 1000 units of goodness, but still, observing how common men treat them, they effectiveness is reduced to same as gemstone or little more. One must know tantrik procedure associated for them and follow rules of wearing them (like don't wear at night, especially not if you have sex at night, no way!) Still for basic purpose, one can do sankar of ruraksh (initialize and energies) and wear it. The number of facets of rudraksh is the most critical thing. Although some people associate different number of facet to different planet, but i have found out the number of facet corresponds to number of houses in a birth chart Like in the above example, 7th house is badly inflicted, so he can wear a 7 facet rudraksh for that. - - - - - - The last two remedies are actually "beyond" planet pacification. .. Infact Tantrik Sadhna can be called a cheat code to fate itself! Anand bhai, its true i agree, but the point is... extremely few people are ready to take up that kind of task. Even to do sadhna some character is required, a dedication to Guru is required, in reality this is rare! Infact if someone is willing to go higher, i can tell him ways to completely alter his birth char itself! Yes, its possible! Even without Tantrik Sadhna, but when i tell this to someone.... they think of me as fool. Because their minds are so closed with what they know and believe right now... These techniques, even beyond tantra, that i am talking right now are very rare and known to very few human beings on this planet. Only about 4000 people out of 6 Billion. Think of it... doing a Maha Anushthan of 24,00,000 Gayatri month... in just 6 hours! Sounds illogical right? When even one mantra takes 10 seconds, 3 -4 mala take one house... then how can someone chant 24 00 000 mantra within 6 hours? Well that's one of the secrets of higher planes, and siddhashram is also such place of secret high level sadhnas, the land of masters. And with these techniques, the phal/result you get from that, you can gain that in just 3 hours! Anyhow, i will stop this extremely high level point here and come back to more ground reality point of Mahavidya. - - - - - - - Anand bhai, there is a saying "Raheeman dekh Badhein ko... lagu naa dijay daari... Jahan Kaam aaye suyi... kaha karay tarwari!" (Never under estimate small after looking at big... the place where you need need... what will you do with a sword!?) Same is true for various sadhnas, their levels. Because peoples level should match a Sadhaks level! Actually this is a big topic, i will try to wrap it short. - - - """Concept of True Isht and Sure Short Sadhna Siddhi""" Success in sadhna largely depends on your aptitude for certain deities Sadhna... if as an astrologer you know how to find Isht Deva of a person out of 33 crore deities, then you would know what i am saying. Usually people make a deity of their liking as their Isht Deva but thats not wise... that's like a patient deciding which medicine he should take. Right way is to consult a guru or good astrologer. A guru or good astrologer can find that out for you... and know this, you may worship other deities for 20 years and still be waiting... while you worship your Isht deva as told to you by your guru, then you can gain astonishing success in 2 years itself. This finding of Isht Deva is directly related to Tattva Gyan. A guru has enlightened vision, he can see through your soul and in an instance decide which tattva in your physical and subtle body needs to be corrected and which deity corresponding to that Tattva will yield fastest result for you... while an astrologer can use his knowledge and intellect as his this eye to guide someone on right sadhna. Its like although wealth luxury (aishwarya dhan laabh) is Maha Lakshmi's department.. . but in reality any other deity if worshiped properly, can grant you all that. So sometimes worshiping your Isht deva and asking for things not related to genric department of your Isht deva, will still yield you faster results, sure shot results. Like you can say why worship kul deva when Shiva is the supreme... but stil kul deva has is importance! People come to astrologers for problems in material life... you can just tell them why run after pain pleasure and happiness of this physical world... why not directly do Kundalini Sadhna and go beyond even happiness to bliss... But do you think that is practical? Ofcourse not, hence every sadhna, even grah shanti at its level has its prime importance. - - - - - - And now taking case of our Guruji... First thing, he wasn't an ordinary human being, even before being born he was already a Siddha in his past life. This actually applies to almost any spiritual master you may see anywhere in world, they had gone beyond the point of no return, no fall back Like : Jesus was already enlightened under Essenes group from master Mosses.. Same is true for Sai Baba, or Mahavira... Infact in Gautam Buddhas case, the legends have it written, the moment he gained devine realization under that bodhi tree... All the gods and goddesses of heaven, even Brahma Vishnu Mahesha came to his feet and said "Array bhagwan yeh kya kiya... aapne to wo prapt kar liya jo aaj tak kisi ne prapt nahin kiya" (you have attained what no one has attained till today in this kalpa) He totally deciphered the damn coding of the universe itself! In reality, our Guru had done Sadhnas for thousands of year before, so you can imagine the purity of his mind and level of his consciousness. Masters take a human birth for specific purposes. Although they are masters but its rule of physical realm that they still have to again do all the sadhnas, again rise kundli, but they are able to do this because their consciousness is already at an high level and their minds are pure. And actually this will also explain to you "why the thousands of people taking dikshas for Mahavidya Sadhnas are not Siddhas" But this does not mean that we cannot succeed in them hence we should not even think of them, its just that we have to move in different ways, directly doing those sadhna is not one of those ways. One has to work on deeper purification, correcting of Tattvas in his body and soul to be ready for all sadhna (guru mantra is base for that purpose) There is a famous example, "How can a metal ring float in water?" Answer "Well it can float if the ring is put around a light stick" In this case, light stick is the master. Although he will not leave you there, a master's true aim is always to make his disciple a master, so more training. - - - Getting back to use of classical astrological solutions Think about it... even Dashrath, father of Lord Rama, the king of Aayodhya! He had to do pacification of Saturn, He could have asked the Raaj Guru Kashyap to do certain tantrik sadhna but even his guru told him other way. On top of that, he had to get done a Putra Kaameshti Homam, Even kashyap, guru of Rama had to direct dashrath somewhere as because that time only one rishi was expert of Atharveda Putra Kaameshthi Yagya hence Dashratha had to beg with tears in front of him, wash rishi's feet with his tears... And later, he actually had to ask Saturn to stop in his path so that his sons may have good birth chart. So please, i hope you understand Astrology is no joke. Its a great tool for knowing the precise problem coming due to results of past life karma and events. Infact even if you classify this as a tool, then saamudrik gyan and jyotish is Sthool (Gross) while things like karnpishachni, vaartal devi siddhi, Panchanguli Sadhna, Agyra Chakra Siddhi (complete psychic sense) these are subtle sciences. While astrology can give you blue print of someons life, these subtle sciences can give you fine details. STILL, Astrology has its own place and importance. Some places, infact most places a Sthool (gross) but quick and easy to use sceince is required. And being a true sadhak, you would know, that almost all tantrik sadhna require certain muhrat. You cannot imagine sadhna success without right muhrat. - - - - And finally, the purpose of remedies Everything in universe has three levels 1) Physical --(Matter) 2) Mental ----(Energy) 3) Spiritual -(Consciousness) Finally, lord shiva, cause of the three causes, lord of Maha Maya Shakti. More than 70% of problems in life arise due to a mental or spiritual cause, infact let me say purely spiritual cause, and """A Spiritual level problem asks for a Spiritual level Solution!""" Birth chart tell you your destiny... and your destiny is nothing but what you carry from last lives, your mentality and karma account. And when it comes to using Spiritual Level Solution, Sadhna, it basically deals with correcting the problems in ones destiny (result of past karma and events). Astrology is a wonderful tool in quickly determining the severity of a problem nd if you are very good astrologer, you can know cause of it in past life.. 1) A Mild problem due to destiny can be solved by moderate spiritual practice (like sadhna which may include Tantrik Prayog demanding 5-6 hours a day from person) 2) A Moderate problem due to destiny can be solved by intense Sadhna (this may be like an Anushthan that demands 12-14 hours a day) 3) A Severe problem due to destiny, cannot be solved by even expert level sadhna which goes for 16+ hours a day, it can only be solved by Gurus grace where Guru will have to use some of his spiritual power to uplift a person from that misery. But mind you, no guru will readily do that, its not good. Even if you have that much spiritual power, it's not wise to take this step. Most of suffering in life, no matter how unfair and extreme they look to a person, are meant to teach them a lesson... and if you solve the problem, then that person does not get suffering and deep down doesn't change himself, you actually inhibit his growth. Although these days. as you can see on TV, it has become a market to offer best spiritual solution to help people get of their suffering due to fate! None of them is a true master; hence their results are also minimal A true guru never does that... but if he can see doing that leads to your spiritual growth, then he might do it. Mind you, spiritual growth does not mean material growth... Spiritual growth means dissolution of mind, merging with god But still, he might help in material growth only if he sees that will lead to spiritual growth. Like if a person is so frustrated about no money situation in life that he is too busy making his and other peoples life hell... not even thinking about spiritual growth, then he might solve it so that atleast then he will look at spiritual growth, but even then, first he will try to advise that person a sadhna so he can do it himself, A master by himself has far more spiritual energy than even deities, but his job is not to provide you material luxuries that trap you more in this physical dimension... that job is left to devi/devtas (deities) His job is to help you become a master, move to bliss. Take you to Siddhashram, land of Masters. Deities reside only in third loka.. Swarga (heaven) but there are places universe far more superior to even heaven. Master plane (loka) is the highest, closest to the formless OM. One precaution thought, even if someone becomes a master of Tantra for material gains by overcoming even destiny… he will be like a man who learnt to master the horses of his chariot (ratha) but forgot where he was supposed to go. So always remember that as aim, when you do "any" sadhna or even advise someone else a Sadhna. Love, light and joy! Peace and Abundance! Dr Himanshu Gurudevo Maheshwaro Namo Namah , Khatri Anand <khatrianand@ ...> wrote: > > Jai Gurudev, > > This is really interesting discussion guys !! > > I want to pull out you attention from numbers to something else now..... > > > Let's take some overview here: > > 1. People across the world are interested in sadhanas. Many of them get Guru, a large portion of them are deciples of Gurudev Nikhileshwarananda, and are our fellow Gurubhais. If you are member of MTYV magazine, must have attended shivirs, seen videos of Gurudev. Everywhere regarding success of sadhana, one thing which is always repeated.... if you do not get success in one try, repeat it second time, again failure, again repeat, continue till you get success. > 2. There are probably few thousand people taking Mahavidya Diksha every year. Generally for mahavidya 1.25 lacks of mantra japa is prescribed. If done well, can be finished in just 21 days. Even considering new entrants, finishing in 1..5 - 2 years is not difficult. Do we see those many Mahavidya Siddhas around?? > > What conclusions can you draw from this? > > If just chanting mantra can get me Mahavdya siddhi.... Graha Pida is a small problem to tackle. > > Then why waste time in doing graha shanti for each graha? > > Say on the current discussion of Just one graha shanti costs me 64000 - 80000 japa, why not do 1.25 lacks of Mahavidya japa, forget of all the navagraha issues for the lifetime, and you can use that Mahavidya power to do all the Shatakarma (Maran, Mohan, Vashikaran, Ucchatan, Stambhan, Shantikaran) ? Mahavidya can give much more than any graha can ever give. > > Where is the issue? We see people spending their whole life for getting siddhi of just one Mahavidya... . How many times they would have chanted the mantra? > > Our beloved Gurudev got all 10 Mahavidyas, and much more..... what is it that he has ?...one thing is sure, its not just the count....... ......... ...... how could he get success in all the Tantra sadhanas he attempted? > > And not only success in one or two sadhana, he got many, and mastered the whole Tantra field including all branches. He knows everything about everything !! > > Even if we consider time to get siddhi, no other guru ever got any siddhi as fast as Guruji got, and as much as he got. Thats why is the the third chosen deciple of Param Gurudev Satchitanandji in past 15000 years. > > > ... I do not want to quote my comments.... let forum people discuss this, and we will get back to the count issue after this discussion. > > Anand's Knowledge Series: > > > http://groups. / group/guru- nikhil/ > Tantra Public chat room: http://xat.com/ ISSP > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > silver_rhine <buddhadevpc@ ...> > > Sunday, 22 February, 2009 12:11:53 AM > Re: Planetc Pacification (Grah Shanti) > > > Hi Himanshu, > > You have raised a very pertinent question and am sure someone will > soon answer you. After reading your post, few questions have arisen > in my mind: > > 1) Regarding the ratio of the havan to jaap as 1:10, I would like to > ask you that if it is possible in every case. Because, according to > the file uploaded here (at least for the Shukra Graha Pida Nivaran) > case, it doesn't really distinguish between the number of japa and > number of homam. In fact, if I were to understand correctly, the > number of homam (for Kali yug as they say its 64,000... its a > different thing that your number is different - 80,000) corresponds > to the number of mantra jaap... Is that right, or am I mistaken? > > 2) When you say ahuti, and for the samagri you say > "Til(white seasame seed)= x (u decide this depending on ahutis > required)" > > Do you mean that if number of japa to be done is 64,000 or 80,000 > (whichever is the case), then number of tils should be 64,000 or > 80,000 respectively or is it by weight? Because counting would really > be a mammoth task!! > > Also, do you have to MIX all of the listed samagri in the given > ratios and then for each ahuti take a pinch of that and put it in the > fire and do it for 6400 or 8000 times (1/10 of japa)? > > 3) Is there a difference between 'pacification of planet' > and 'strengthening of planet' even when it comes to homa? Or, is it > that for homa both are valid at once? > > 4)What IS the difference between pacification and strengthening of > planet? Which is more effective? > > I would really be very grateful if you could throw some light on the > above queries... > > Jai Gurudev! > > - Buddha > > , "scorpion_1112in" > <scorpion_1112in@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Hello everybody, > > > > This is my first post in this group so my sadar pranam to all > > gurubhai and group members, and especially Khatri Anandji. > > > > I am already an astrologer so i like to add on to my knowledge > > wherever possible, always a student of life.... so I just went > > through the files section of the group as i was very much > interested > > in knowing the Grah Shanti (Planet Pacification) methods. > > > > There are two things i noticed though > > > > 1) The numver, of Jaap, its different. > > > > From usually what i learnt, the jaap for a grah is same in thousand > > as the number of years for which its mahadasha goes on. > > > > (And in kal yuga, it may have to be done 4 times <= this is only > > because of lack of ability of people in kalyuga to remain pure, > that > > is totally pure during anushthan). > > > > This means > > > > 1) Sun = 6 years => 6,000 * 4 = 24,000 > > 2) Moon = 10 years => 10,000 * 4 = 40,000 > > 3) Mars = 7 years => 7,000 * 4 = 28,000 > > 4) Mercury = 17 years => 17,000 * 4 = 68,000 > > 5) Jupiter = 16 Years => 16,000 * 4 = 64,000 > > 6) Venus = 20 Years => 20,000 * 4 = 80,000 > > 7) Saturn = 19 Years => 19,000 * 4 = 76,000 > > 8) Rahu = 18 Years => 18,000 * 4 = 72,000 > > 9) Ketu = 7 Years => 7,000 * 4 = 28,000 > > > > The mantras in that context are same as given in file section > > Also the havan samidha (wood)is Same > > And samagri for each ahuti aading swaha > > > > Til(white seasame seed)= x (u decide this depending on ahutis > > required) > > Rice = x/2 > > Yava = x/4 > > Sugar = x/8 > > Gud (Jaggery) = x/8 > > Dahi(Curd) = x/8 > > Ghee(Clarified Butter) = x/16 > > > > And the number and procedureof the > > havan = 1/10 Jaap > > tarpan,= 1/10 Havan > > marjan,= 1/10 Tarpan > > bhrahman bhojan = 1/10 Marjan > > > > This everyone knows... > > > > So my first qustion is, From which, which Samhita or puran are > these > > Japa Quantity taken? > > > > Please, i dont contradict whats gives, but i need to know more in > > depth, i respect other systems and wish to know more of this system. > > > > > > > > 2) Secondly about yantra.. > > > > Well the shape and size of Yantra is same, except for > > > > 1) Absence of Beej Mantras on Yantra > > 2) Prepration on in different type of metal for amulet (taabeez) > > > > And MOST importantly > > > > Here Yantras are given for pacification of planet, while i have > > learnt them for strengthening of planets. > > > > Its like the same issues with gemstones... > > > > For example, Some people make you wear Gessonite (Gomedhak) to get > > better results from Rahu during Rahu Mahadasha while some people > make > > you stay miles away from it.... same for wearing Ble Sapphire > (Neelam) > > during Shani Mahadadha and so on.... > > > > While other people make you stay strictly away from these stones > when > > rahu, saturn etc are being maleifc. > > > > Although from my experience over years, i found the second option > to > > be better, gemstones and "even its tantrik yantra) are mean to > > stengthen a planet. If a person cannot afford quality yantra, > atleast > > he can wear yantra as ring in precribed metal and finnger OR he can > > make amulet (taabeez) out of it. > > > > There is only one little twist in the story though > > > > The Vidhi Vidhan of wearing and treating a gemstone or Yantra > > > > I learnt that some system have a vidhi vidhan which reverses the > > procedure of rays absorbption in body... the same gemstone which > was > > increasing rays of certain planet in body... or same yantra which > was > > increasing nenergy of certain planet, can be used oppositely to > > decrease the effect and energy. > > > > If this is the case with the yantras given in the file section, i > > would like to know the asbolutely precise vidhan related to them. > > This knowledge can be seriously of great use/help for all. > > > > Waiting for more light on these 2 topics > > > > Regards > > Himanshu > > > > Gurudevo Maheshwaro Namo Namah! > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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Guest guest Posted April 16, 2009 Report Share Posted April 16, 2009 Respected Himanshu jiI read ur posting very late.Your effort in making understand the group was really nice. Worth saving and reading again again to understand it bit by bit.NavinSent from BlackBerry® on Airtel"scorpion_1112in" Mon, 23 Feb 2009 10:53:15 -0000 Re: Planetc Pacification (Grah Shanti) Hello everybody I see two posts as reply to my last post, and after reading them i feel like saying and explaining a few things, today is my offday and i have time so i will try to answer Buddha first and then Anand. First i am taking buddhas questions 1) Ratio of Japa Is to homa ( I am doing copy paste of something from my book, this will help) - - - The Mantra and its number, of Jaap, it's different for different planet. - - The Tantrik Mantras for Planet Pacification are (Most powerful and effective) 1) Sun = " Om Hraam Hreem Hraum Sah Suryay Namah " 2) Moon = " Om shraam Shreem Shraum Sah Chandra-masay Namah " 3) Mars = " Om Kraam Kreem Kraum Sah Bhomaay Namah " 4) Mercury = " Om Braam Breem Braum Sah Budhaay Namah " 5) Jupiter = " Om Graam Greem Graum Sah Guruvay Namah " 6) Venus = " Om Draam Dreem Draum Sah Shukraay Namah " 7) Saturn = " Om Praam Preem Praum Sah Shan-vay Namah " 8) Rahu = " Om Chhraam Chhreem Chhraum Sah Rahu-vay Namah " 9) Ketu = " Om Ayeim Hreem Ketvay Namah " The Short Tantrik Mantra for Planets are (Medium range, mostly used in Yantras and offerings) 1) Sun = " Om Ghrini Aadityaay Namah " 2) Moon = " Om Som Somaay Namah Namah " 3) Mars = " Om Ang Angaar-kaaray Namah " 4) Mercury = " Om Boom Budhaay Namah " 5) Jupiter = " Om Brim Brihaspat-yay Namah " 6) Venus = " Om Shoom Shukray Namah " 7) Saturn = " Om Sham Shanesh-charay Namah " 8) Rahu = " Om Raam Rahu-vay Namah " 9) Ketu = " Om Kaim Ketvay Namah " The jaap for a planet/grah is same in thousand as the number of years for which its mahadasha goes on. (And in kal yuga, it may have to be done 4 times <= this is only because of lack of ability of people in kalyuga to remain pure, that is totally pure during anushthan). This means 1) Sun = 6 years => 6,000 * 4 = 24,000 2) Moon = 10 years => 10,000 * 4 = 40,000 3) Mars = 7 years => 7,000 * 4 = 28,000 4) Mercury = 17 years => 17,000 * 4 = 68,000 5) Jupiter = 16 Years => 16,000 * 4 = 64,000 6) Venus = 20 Years => 20,000 * 4 = 80,000 7) Saturn = 19 Years => 19,000 * 4 = 76,000 8) Rahu = 18 Years => 18,000 * 4 = 72,000 9) Ketu = 7 Years => 7,000 * 4 = 28,000 - - - - - - Procedure of Following Jaap, Havan, Tarpan, Maarjan, Brahman Bhojan The number and procedure of the Havan = 1/10 Jaap Tarpan,= 1/10 Havan Marjan,= 1/10 Tarpan Brahman bhojan = 1/10 Marjan For example: Mantra Jaap = 1,00,000 (=> 1,000 Mala / Rounds of Rosary) => Havan = 10 % of Mantra Jaap = 10 % of 1,00,000 = 10,000 (=> 100 Mala) => Tarpan = 10 % of Havan = 10 % of 10,000 = 1,000 (=> 10 Mala) => Maarjan = 10 % of Tarpan = 10 % of 1,000 = 100 (=> 1 Mala) => Brahman Bhojan = 10 % of 100 = 10 - - - If one is not doing havan, tarpan, maarjan after Mantra Jaap then he can take sankalp for Tarpan and do twice jap for tarpan, sanaklp and twice jap for Maarjan, so the numbers it become Jap in lieu of Havan = 2 * 100 = 200 Mala Jap in lieu of Tarpan = 2 * 10 = 20 Mala Jap in lieu of Marjan = 2 * 1 = 2 Mala Jap in lieu of Brahman = 1 mala (if less than 108, we do atleast one 1 mala) - - - - - - - - - 2) Regarding Samidha (wood) and Samagri for Ahuti (I'll again copy paste from my book but explain more this time) Samidha (Wood Sticks) for various planets 1) Sun = Aak Wood 2) Moon = Palash Wood 3) Mars = khair Wood 4) Mercury = Apa-maarga Wood 5) Jupiter = Peepal Wood 6) Venus = Goolar Wood 7) Saturn = Shami Wood 8) Rahu = Druva 9) Ketu = Kusha And samagri for each ahuti aading swaha Til(white seasame seed)= x (u decide this depending on ahutis required) Rice = x/2 Yava = x/4 Sugar = x/8 Gud (Jaggery) = x/8 Dahi(Curd) = x/8 Ghee(Clarified Butter) = x/16 - - - Now specifically taking your example of Venus. Venus Jaap = 80,000 => Number of Ahutis required saying " Om Draam Dreem Draum Sah Shukray Namah Swaha " = 10 % of 80,00 = 8,000 (this means 80 rounds of rosary) But to be practical, i never put that many ahutis because it's very expensive, although it's ideal thing to do but it's expensive. Like what i will do is, Make 1000 Ahutis, => 10 Mala. (mala = rosary round), So i am left with 70 Mala, so i will do 140 more rounds in lieu of ideal 70 more mala havan that was required. But be careful, you will have to announce this in the sankalp for havan that you will give 1000 ahutis and then do double jap for remaining ahutis (offerings). Or you can completely skip homam and directly do 80*2 = 160 rounds of rosary by taking sankalp. But i usually prefer atleast some homa, because it mean what you are offering to fire, breaks up into subtle form and goes directly to the deity for whom you are doing the homam. - - - And further about the samagri for homam Lets say you have to do homam for 1,000 Ahutis. Lets say that takes 1600 grams of ahuti (=> x = 1600gm) (very rough example, but i am using this number 1600 for sheer ease of calculation) =>Til(white seasame seed)= 1600 gm =>Rice = 800 gm =>Yava = 400 gm =>Sugar = 200 gm =>Gud (Jaggery) = 200 gm =>Dahi(Curd) = 200 gm =>Ghee(Clarified Butter) = 100gm Total Weight of Misture = 3500 gm = 3.5 kg You have to offer the a mixture with this composition okay, " the mixture " for ahuti. Remember, take the Til amound as the mean. And to be precise, if you want to be very scientific about it, then calculate total amount of ahuti that you can put on a small teaspoon. Multiply that by the number of ahutis you want, then you will get the total weight of the mixture you need and then decide quantity of specific ingredient accordingly. Oh and one thing, remember this composition of mixture is for Navgrah Shanti, for homam of other purpose, samidha (wood) Ingredient of Ahut and basically whole procedure is different. So if this is your first homam, then remember this composition applies to Navgrah Shanti only. - - - - - - - 3) Difference Between Planet Pacification and Strengthening... and application of Homam if required. Well ofcourse there IS difference between Pacification and strengthening (will explain in answer to your next question) About Homa, well from my learning and experience, its done after certain jap and you decide for what purpose you are doing a Jaap. That basically applies to any sort of Mantra Anushthan in general. Homa is after jap. But for strengthening, jaap is not always required. There are other methods for that like gemstones, yantras, prayogs of the yantra, storas, kavachas etc. - - - - - 4) Which is better, Planet Pacification or Strengthening Well this is an absolute basic question of astrology; if you don't know the precise answer for this question then you are not in a situation for remedies as such. Lets take example of any Healing Science, Doctor Job (as i am) You need to be master of 4 things help someone 1) Anatomy (Structure of Body) 2) Physiology (Working of Structure) 3) Pathology (how structure gets infected/diseases/injured) 4) Medicine (how to overcome infection, diseases, injury) Taking this in astrological sense, you should know 1) Precise placement of planets in different charts, 2) Their working (exactly what +ve or -ve phal/result they are yeilding), 3) Which planets are causing suffering? 4) Which remedies for those planets? Basically all astrological (and i mean classical astrological ones as from purans) remedies work on a) Strengthening of Benefic Planet b) Pacification of Malefic Planet Actually explaining this one point may as well mean explaining whole of astrology to you, ha ha.... so i will wrap it short and say Yes, both these can be... should be applied together, but as you know, medicine should only be given by an expert, wrong medicine could aggravate the problem, so be careful. - - - - - - - - - - Now coming on to Anandas point... First, plz let me numerate various ways of Planet Pacification Grah Shanti 1) Wearing Gemstones Strengthening a benefic planet also protects from malefic ones. 2) Puja (Worship) Simple worship of unfavorable planet.. shodashupchar, panchopchar.. with their viniyog, shyan, path.. etc 3) Kavach Paath (wearing astral armor) Tantrokt Kavach path of the favorable planets protects from malefic effect of unfavorable ones. 4) Japa This is like more advanced and rigorous form of Puja where you do thousand of chants for pacifying malefic planet. 5) Donation Daan of malefic planet is also one way of pacifying it 6) Vrat (Fasting) Fasting on specific days of malefic planet, with sankalp and systematic worship of malefic planet is way to pacify them. 7) Yantra Getting a banefic planets Yantra from a Tantrik (common men cannot make it, only initialized tantrik knows how) is also one way of protection from malefic planet. 8) Tantrik Totka This simple way of messing (yes practically interfering and messing) with working of malefic planet by getting control on their kaark Tatvas (causal elements) Like Kaark Tatva as Rasa (taste) for Mars is Sweet, so you donate sweet naan on tuesday, this doesn't let a malefic mars play it game, on contrary is reverses. Causal colours of mars is red, day for mars is Tuesday... colors for Jupiter is yellow, day is Thursday... and so on. Causal taste of venus is sour, for saturn is salty.. and so on. These totaks are very simple, very quick to apply and still very effective. 9) *** Tantrik Mantra Sadhna *** (Spiritual Practice) If the person suffering from malefic planet, opts to get diksha for a Tantrik Mantra from a Sadguru and does Sadhna, or gets it done by some tantrik, then also he can get his those wishes fulfilled which were not being fulfilled because of malefic planets. Lets discuss one of the practical example which i took Lets say someone has Rahu (Dragons Head) and Saturn in 7th house on Aries (Maish rashi) of their enemy Mars, their total enemy, and on top of that the lord of 7th house, Mars falls in 8th house and is totally dibilited on Taurus sign of Venus... plus Ketu is having full negative aspect on Aries sign of Mars in 7th house In such a case, such a person's marital life and money situation life will be totally disturbed, or let me say destroyed Now the severity of the situation is such, that even complete application of the traditional planet pacification procedures, will give only a little success. Come on, lets be serious and honest... as an astrologer i know exactly " how much " of a difference which remedy can make in someone's life and i know the limits of traditional astrological solutions. But if he opts for a Tantrik Sadhna, then he will be able to overcome ill effect of malefic planet. Like in this case, if he manages to get succes in a Matangi Mahavidya, no matter what his thousand past lives bad karmas may have been... that lead to such a bad placement of planet in his chart... his power of sadhna will overcome that karma and still give him wonderful marital life and loads of wealth. 10) *** Rudraksh *** Ruraksh (scientifically known as Utrasum seeds) also actually come in Tantrik Category. They are tears and jewels of lord Shiva. And well what can i say about power of lord shiva... whatever i say will be less and sound more of an insult to him... but still i will try, Ruraksh are not gemstone but they can be thousand times more powerful than any gemstone, but that totally depends on the person wearing it. A gemstone is more of one time effort, you can do pran pratishtha and wear it forever... if it gives say 10 units goodness, then it will keep giving that till its life (although recharging them after 3-4 years if good way of cleansing any negativity they gain) But a ruraksh, needs more attention and care, and if its treated properly, it can give you 1000 units of goodness, but still, observing how common men treat them, they effectiveness is reduced to same as gemstone or little more. One must know tantrik procedure associated for them and follow rules of wearing them (like don't wear at night, especially not if you have sex at night, no way!) Still for basic purpose, one can do sankar of ruraksh (initialize and energies) and wear it. The number of facets of rudraksh is the most critical thing. Although some people associate different number of facet to different planet, but i have found out the number of facet corresponds to number of houses in a birth chart Like in the above example, 7th house is badly inflicted, so he can wear a 7 facet rudraksh for that. - - - - - - The last two remedies are actually " beyond " planet pacification... Infact Tantrik Sadhna can be called a cheat code to fate itself! Anand bhai, its true i agree, but the point is... extremely few people are ready to take up that kind of task. Even to do sadhna some character is required, a dedication to Guru is required, in reality this is rare! Infact if someone is willing to go higher, i can tell him ways to completely alter his birth char itself! Yes, its possible! Even without Tantrik Sadhna, but when i tell this to someone... they think of me as fool. Because their minds are so closed with what they know and believe right now... These techniques, even beyond tantra, that i am talking right now are very rare and known to very few human beings on this planet. Only about 4000 people out of 6 Billion. Think of it... doing a Maha Anushthan of 24,00,000 Gayatri month... in just 6 hours! Sounds illogical right? When even one mantra takes 10 seconds, 3 -4 mala take one house... then how can someone chant 24 00 000 mantra within 6 hours? Well that's one of the secrets of higher planes, and siddhashram is also such place of secret high level sadhnas, the land of masters. And with these techniques, the phal/result you get from that, you can gain that in just 3 hours! Anyhow, i will stop this extremely high level point here and come back to more ground reality point of Mahavidya. - - - - - - - Anand bhai, there is a saying " Raheeman dekh Badhein ko... lagu naa dijay daari... Jahan Kaam aaye suyi... kaha karay tarwari! " (Never under estimate small after looking at big... the place where you need need... what will you do with a sword!?) Same is true for various sadhnas, their levels. Because peoples level should match a Sadhaks level! Actually this is a big topic, i will try to wrap it short. - - - " " " Concept of True Isht and Sure Short Sadhna Siddhi " " " Success in sadhna largely depends on your aptitude for certain deities Sadhna... if as an astrologer you know how to find Isht Deva of a person out of 33 crore deities, then you would know what i am saying. Usually people make a deity of their liking as their Isht Deva but thats not wise... that's like a patient deciding which medicine he should take. Right way is to consult a guru or good astrologer. A guru or good astrologer can find that out for you... and know this, you may worship other deities for 20 years and still be waiting... while you worship your Isht deva as told to you by your guru, then you can gain astonishing success in 2 years itself. This finding of Isht Deva is directly related to Tattva Gyan. A guru has enlightened vision, he can see through your soul and in an instance decide which tattva in your physical and subtle body needs to be corrected and which deity corresponding to that Tattva will yield fastest result for you... while an astrologer can use his knowledge and intellect as his this eye to guide someone on right sadhna. Its like although wealth luxury (aishwarya dhan laabh) is Maha Lakshmi's department... but in reality any other deity if worshiped properly, can grant you all that. So sometimes worshiping your Isht deva and asking for things not related to genric department of your Isht deva, will still yield you faster results, sure shot results. Like you can say why worship kul deva when Shiva is the supreme... but stil kul deva has is importance! People come to astrologers for problems in material life... you can just tell them why run after pain pleasure and happiness of this physical world... why not directly do Kundalini Sadhna and go beyond even happiness to bliss... But do you think that is practical? Ofcourse not, hence every sadhna, even grah shanti at its level has its prime importance. - - - - - - And now taking case of our Guruji... First thing, he wasn't an ordinary human being, even before being born he was already a Siddha in his past life. This actually applies to almost any spiritual master you may see anywhere in world, they had gone beyond the point of no return, no fall back Like : Jesus was already enlightened under Essenes group from master Mosses. Same is true for Sai Baba, or Mahavira... Infact in Gautam Buddhas case, the legends have it written, the moment he gained devine realization under that bodhi tree... All the gods and goddesses of heaven, even Brahma Vishnu Mahesha came to his feet and said " Array bhagwan yeh kya kiya... aapne to wo prapt kar liya jo aaj tak kisi ne prapt nahin kiya " (you have attained what no one has attained till today in this kalpa) He totally deciphered the damn coding of the universe itself! In reality, our Guru had done Sadhnas for thousands of year before, so you can imagine the purity of his mind and level of his consciousness. Masters take a human birth for specific purposes. Although they are masters but its rule of physical realm that they still have to again do all the sadhnas, again rise kundli, but they are able to do this because their consciousness is already at an high level and their minds are pure. And actually this will also explain to you " why the thousands of people taking dikshas for Mahavidya Sadhnas are not Siddhas " But this does not mean that we cannot succeed in them hence we should not even think of them, its just that we have to move in different ways, directly doing those sadhna is not one of those ways. One has to work on deeper purification, correcting of Tattvas in his body and soul to be ready for all sadhna (guru mantra is base for that purpose) There is a famous example, " How can a metal ring float in water? " Answer " Well it can float if the ring is put around a light stick " In this case, light stick is the master. Although he will not leave you there, a master's true aim is always to make his disciple a master, so more training. - - - Getting back to use of classical astrological solutions Think about it... even Dashrath, father of Lord Rama, the king of Aayodhya! He had to do pacification of Saturn, He could have asked the Raaj Guru Kashyap to do certain tantrik sadhna but even his guru told him other way. On top of that, he had to get done a Putra Kaameshti Homam, Even kashyap, guru of Rama had to direct dashrath somewhere as because that time only one rishi was expert of Atharveda Putra Kaameshthi Yagya hence Dashratha had to beg with tears in front of him, wash rishi's feet with his tears... And later, he actually had to ask Saturn to stop in his path so that his sons may have good birth chart. So please, i hope you understand Astrology is no joke. Its a great tool for knowing the precise problem coming due to results of past life karma and events. Infact even if you classify this as a tool, then saamudrik gyan and jyotish is Sthool (Gross) while things like karnpishachni, vaartal devi siddhi, Panchanguli Sadhna, Agyra Chakra Siddhi (complete psychic sense) these are subtle sciences. While astrology can give you blue print of someons life, these subtle sciences can give you fine details. STILL, Astrology has its own place and importance. Some places, infact most places a Sthool (gross) but quick and easy to use sceince is required. And being a true sadhak, you would know, that almost all tantrik sadhna require certain muhrat. You cannot imagine sadhna success without right muhrat. - - - - And finally, the purpose of remedies Everything in universe has three levels 1) Physical --(Matter) 2) Mental ----(Energy) 3) Spiritual -(Consciousness) Finally, lord shiva, cause of the three causes, lord of Maha Maya Shakti. More than 70% of problems in life arise due to a mental or spiritual cause, infact let me say purely spiritual cause, and " " " A Spiritual level problem asks for a Spiritual level Solution! " " " Birth chart tell you your destiny... and your destiny is nothing but what you carry from last lives, your mentality and karma account. And when it comes to using Spiritual Level Solution, Sadhna, it basically deals with correcting the problems in ones destiny (result of past karma and events). Astrology is a wonderful tool in quickly determining the severity of a problem nd if you are very good astrologer, you can know cause of it in past life. 1) A Mild problem due to destiny can be solved by moderate spiritual practice (like sadhna which may include Tantrik Prayog demanding 5-6 hours a day from person) 2) A Moderate problem due to destiny can be solved by intense Sadhna (this may be like an Anushthan that demands 12-14 hours a day) 3) A Severe problem due to destiny, cannot be solved by even expert level sadhna which goes for 16+ hours a day, it can only be solved by Gurus grace where Guru will have to use some of his spiritual power to uplift a person from that misery. But mind you, no guru will readily do that, its not good. Even if you have that much spiritual power, it's not wise to take this step. Most of suffering in life, no matter how unfair and extreme they look to a person, are meant to teach them a lesson... and if you solve the problem, then that person does not get suffering and deep down doesn't change himself, you actually inhibit his growth. Although these days. as you can see on TV, it has become a market to offer best spiritual solution to help people get of their suffering due to fate! None of them is a true master; hence their results are also minimal A true guru never does that... but if he can see doing that leads to your spiritual growth, then he might do it. Mind you, spiritual growth does not mean material growth... Spiritual growth means dissolution of mind, merging with god But still, he might help in material growth only if he sees that will lead to spiritual growth. Like if a person is so frustrated about no money situation in life that he is too busy making his and other peoples life hell... not even thinking about spiritual growth, then he might solve it so that atleast then he will look at spiritual growth, but even then, first he will try to advise that person a sadhna so he can do it himself, A master by himself has far more spiritual energy than even deities, but his job is not to provide you material luxuries that trap you more in this physical dimension... that job is left to devi/devtas (deities) His job is to help you become a master, move to bliss. Take you to Siddhashram, land of Masters. Deities reside only in third loka.. Swarga (heaven) but there are places universe far more superior to even heaven. Master plane (loka) is the highest, closest to the formless OM. One precaution thought, even if someone becomes a master of Tantra for material gains by overcoming even destiny… he will be like a man who learnt to master the horses of his chariot (ratha) but forgot where he was supposed to go. So always remember that as aim, when you do " any " sadhna or even advise someone else a Sadhna. Love, light and joy! Peace and Abundance! Dr Himanshu Gurudevo Maheshwaro Namo Namah , Khatri Anand <khatrianand wrote: > > Jai Gurudev, > > This is really interesting discussion guys !! > > I want to pull out you attention from numbers to something else now..... > > > Let's take some overview here: > > 1. People across the world are interested in sadhanas. Many of them get Guru, a large portion of them are deciples of Gurudev Nikhileshwarananda, and are our fellow Gurubhais. If you are member of MTYV magazine, must have attended shivirs, seen videos of Gurudev. Everywhere regarding success of sadhana, one thing which is always repeated.... if you do not get success in one try, repeat it second time, again failure, again repeat, continue till you get success. > 2. There are probably few thousand people taking Mahavidya Diksha every year. Generally for mahavidya 1.25 lacks of mantra japa is prescribed. If done well, can be finished in just 21 days. Even considering new entrants, finishing in 1..5 - 2 years is not difficult. Do we see those many Mahavidya Siddhas around?? > > What conclusions can you draw from this? > > If just chanting mantra can get me Mahavdya siddhi.... Graha Pida is a small problem to tackle. > > Then why waste time in doing graha shanti for each graha? > > Say on the current discussion of Just one graha shanti costs me 64000 - 80000 japa, why not do 1.25 lacks of Mahavidya japa, forget of all the navagraha issues for the lifetime, and you can use that Mahavidya power to do all the Shatakarma (Maran, Mohan, Vashikaran, Ucchatan, Stambhan, Shantikaran) ? Mahavidya can give much more than any graha can ever give. > > Where is the issue? We see people spending their whole life for getting siddhi of just one Mahavidya.... How many times they would have chanted the mantra? > > Our beloved Gurudev got all 10 Mahavidyas, and much more..... what is it that he has ?...one thing is sure, its not just the count...................... how could he get success in all the Tantra sadhanas he attempted? > > And not only success in one or two sadhana, he got many, and mastered the whole Tantra field including all branches. He knows everything about everything !! > > Even if we consider time to get siddhi, no other guru ever got any siddhi as fast as Guruji got, and as much as he got. Thats why is the the third chosen deciple of Param Gurudev Satchitanandji in past 15000 years. > > > ... I do not want to quote my comments.... let forum people discuss this, and we will get back to the count issue after this discussion. > > Anand's Knowledge Series: > > > / > Tantra Public chat room: http://xat.com/ISSP > > > > >________________________________ > silver_rhine <buddhadevpc > > Sunday, 22 February, 2009 12:11:53 AM > Re: Planetc Pacification (Grah Shanti) > > > Hi Himanshu, > > You have raised a very pertinent question and am sure someone will > soon answer you. After reading your post, few questions have arisen > in my mind: > > 1) Regarding the ratio of the havan to jaap as 1:10, I would like to > ask you that if it is possible in every case. Because, according to > the file uploaded here (at least for the Shukra Graha Pida Nivaran) > case, it doesn't really distinguish between the number of japa and > number of homam. In fact, if I were to understand correctly, the > number of homam (for Kali yug as they say its 64,000... its a > different thing that your number is different - 80,000) corresponds > to the number of mantra jaap... Is that right, or am I mistaken? > > 2) When you say ahuti, and for the samagri you say > " Til(white seasame seed)= x (u decide this depending on ahutis > required) " > > Do you mean that if number of japa to be done is 64,000 or 80,000 > (whichever is the case), then number of tils should be 64,000 or > 80,000 respectively or is it by weight? Because counting would really > be a mammoth task!! > > Also, do you have to MIX all of the listed samagri in the given > ratios and then for each ahuti take a pinch of that and put it in the > fire and do it for 6400 or 8000 times (1/10 of japa)? > > 3) Is there a difference between 'pacification of planet' > and 'strengthening of planet' even when it comes to homa? Or, is it > that for homa both are valid at once? > > 4)What IS the difference between pacification and strengthening of > planet? Which is more effective? > > I would really be very grateful if you could throw some light on the > above queries... > > Jai Gurudev! > > - Buddha > > , " scorpion_1112in " > <scorpion_1112in@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Hello everybody, > > > > This is my first post in this group so my sadar pranam to all > > gurubhai and group members, and especially Khatri Anandji. > > > > I am already an astrologer so i like to add on to my knowledge > > wherever possible, always a student of life.... so I just went > > through the files section of the group as i was very much > interested > > in knowing the Grah Shanti (Planet Pacification) methods. > > > > There are two things i noticed though > > > > 1) The numver, of Jaap, its different. > > > > From usually what i learnt, the jaap for a grah is same in thousand > > as the number of years for which its mahadasha goes on. > > > > (And in kal yuga, it may have to be done 4 times <= this is only > > because of lack of ability of people in kalyuga to remain pure, > that > > is totally pure during anushthan). > > > > This means > > > > 1) Sun = 6 years => 6,000 * 4 = 24,000 > > 2) Moon = 10 years => 10,000 * 4 = 40,000 > > 3) Mars = 7 years => 7,000 * 4 = 28,000 > > 4) Mercury = 17 years => 17,000 * 4 = 68,000 > > 5) Jupiter = 16 Years => 16,000 * 4 = 64,000 > > 6) Venus = 20 Years => 20,000 * 4 = 80,000 > > 7) Saturn = 19 Years => 19,000 * 4 = 76,000 > > 8) Rahu = 18 Years => 18,000 * 4 = 72,000 > > 9) Ketu = 7 Years => 7,000 * 4 = 28,000 > > > > The mantras in that context are same as given in file section > > Also the havan samidha (wood)is Same > > And samagri for each ahuti aading swaha > > > > Til(white seasame seed)= x (u decide this depending on ahutis > > required) > > Rice = x/2 > > Yava = x/4 > > Sugar = x/8 > > Gud (Jaggery) = x/8 > > Dahi(Curd) = x/8 > > Ghee(Clarified Butter) = x/16 > > > > And the number and procedureof the > > havan = 1/10 Jaap > > tarpan,= 1/10 Havan > > marjan,= 1/10 Tarpan > > bhrahman bhojan = 1/10 Marjan > > > > This everyone knows... > > > > So my first qustion is, From which, which Samhita or puran are > these > > Japa Quantity taken? > > > > Please, i dont contradict whats gives, but i need to know more in > > depth, i respect other systems and wish to know more of this system. > > > > > > > > 2) Secondly about yantra.. > > > > Well the shape and size of Yantra is same, except for > > > > 1) Absence of Beej Mantras on Yantra > > 2) Prepration on in different type of metal for amulet (taabeez) > > > > And MOST importantly > > > > Here Yantras are given for pacification of planet, while i have > > learnt them for strengthening of planets. > > > > Its like the same issues with gemstones... > > > > For example, Some people make you wear Gessonite (Gomedhak) to get > > better results from Rahu during Rahu Mahadasha while some people > make > > you stay miles away from it.... same for wearing Ble Sapphire > (Neelam) > > during Shani Mahadadha and so on... > > > > While other people make you stay strictly away from these stones > when > > rahu, saturn etc are being maleifc. > > > > Although from my experience over years, i found the second option > to > > be better, gemstones and " even its tantrik yantra) are mean to > > stengthen a planet. If a person cannot afford quality yantra, > atleast > > he can wear yantra as ring in precribed metal and finnger OR he can > > make amulet (taabeez) out of it. > > > > There is only one little twist in the story though > > > > The Vidhi Vidhan of wearing and treating a gemstone or Yantra > > > > I learnt that some system have a vidhi vidhan which reverses the > > procedure of rays absorbption in body... the same gemstone which > was > > increasing rays of certain planet in body... or same yantra which > was > > increasing nenergy of certain planet, can be used oppositely to > > decrease the effect and energy. > > > > If this is the case with the yantras given in the file section, i > > would like to know the asbolutely precise vidhan related to them. > > This knowledge can be seriously of great use/help for all. > > > > Waiting for more light on these 2 topics > > > > Regards > > Himanshu > > > > Gurudevo Maheshwaro Namo Namah! > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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