The beauty devoid of thought.

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The beauty devoid of thought.

 

For those who live in Self as , there is nothing, which should be

thought of. That which should be adhered to is only the experience of

silence, because in that supreme state nothing exists to be attained

other than oneself.

 

SB: hello friend, hope u r doing well

b: i am well and how are you?

SB: i am well

 

b: dear, please speak about silence?

 

SB: Stillness or peace is realization. There is no moment when the

Self is not. So long as there is doubt or the feeling of non-

realization, the attempt should be made to rid oneself of these

thoughts. They are due to the identification of the Self with the not-

self. When the not-self disappears, the Self alone remains.

 

b: mm

 

SB: That state which transcends speech and thought is mouna. That

which is, is mouna. How can mouna be explained in words?

 

b: How should we conduct ourselves in silence?

 

SB: Sages say that the state in which the thought " I " (the ego) does

not rise even in the least, alone is Self (swarupa) which is silence

(mouna). That silent Self alone is God; Self alone is the jiva

(individual soul). Self alone is this ancient world.

 

For those who live in Self as the beauty devoid of thought, there is

nothing, which should be thought of. That which should be adhered to

is only the experience of silence, because in that supreme state

nothing exists to be attained other than oneself. Silence alone is

the real and perfect knowledge.

 

We have simply to throw out all the age-long Samskaras (innate

tendencies) which are inside us. When all of them have been given up,

the Self will shine alone.

 

b: Very well put my dear;: this--->> " For those who live in Self as

the beauty devoid of thought, there is nothing, which should be

thought of. " . A beautiful sentence

 

SB: no, dear this also u have to realize in silence. Yes, because.

Self is you only, you can't describe Self. There is no goal to be

reached. There is nothing to be attained. You are The Self. You exist

always. Nothing more can be predicated of the Self than that it

exists. Seeing God or the Self is only being the Self or yourself.

Seeing is being.

 

b: So then even when the waves of consciousness ebb and flow one

should not think of anything like descriptions.

 

SB: if there is no " you " , only Self then there will not be any

movement in the consciousness. because. consciousness is Self only

and you are that;. : in relative terms , one can say the state of

thoughtless thought; consciousness at rest in itself.

 

b: Jai Jai Ram.... so then ..... the moving arrow moves in a space

equal to itself .. hence it does not and cannot move at all. In the

same way the universe (existence) though it appears to move does not

move at all, hence it does not exist in any separate way from HIM

 

SB: yes, right.

 

SB: dear, i am thinking to quit the computer forever and be only with

myself and to concentrate more; i am realizing that i am somewhat

addicted to it.

 

b: i see but my dear where can you be? Here or there or not?

 

SB: i am everywhere but in the relative term, i am telling you there

is only " I " , NO ONE ELSE

 

b: yes, the PC can be a mental addiction so who will quit or not

quit? Well dear,. before you go off ... i would like to tell you that

it has been an honor to become friends with you. __/|\__

 

SB: me too; i will be available when u call me but ji, one thing,

don't think this is my promise; there is no me to give promise and

who is giving promise to whom.

 

b: yes, in the same way who will think anything?

 

SB: I am just thinking to say good bye to comp. and nothing else.

 

b: hohoh i will not forget this sentence... For those who live in

Self as the beauty devoid of thought, there is nothing, which should

be thought of.

 

SB: While there is this body and mind, i have to do some unnecessary

things to keep the body and mind, because. i think still i have some

attachment with this body when that will not be there, i will be

totally free. Yes, For those who live in Self as the beauty devoid of

thought, there is nothing, which should be thought of.

 

b: I see. Dear here is a question: When the small light of the jiva

is lost in the great light of The Self... who will know he is free?

 

SB: no one ji, u see ji, there is no jiva separate from the Great

Light; all are just illusions only.

 

b: yes,: so then who will be free? What is freedom to he who is

already free?

 

SB: no one will be free because. now also no one is in bondage; free

from what?

Is there any bondage, no, not at all. We only think that there is a

bondage and we try to get free from that bondage; mind itself creates

the bondage and then cries to be free

 

b: Yes. Here is something from Avadhuta Gita Chapter One--- >>

 

13. You are not born nor do you die. At no time do you have a body.

The scripture declares in many different ways - the well-known

dictum: " All is Brahman. " 14. You are He who is exterior and

interior. You are the auspicious One existing everywhere at all

times. Why are you running hither and thither deluded, like an

unclean spirit? 15. Union and separation exist in regard neither to

you nor to me. There is no you, no me, nor is there this universe.

All is verily the Self alone.

 

19. You verily are Truth, devoid of change, motionless, one, of the

nature of freedom. You have neither attachment nor aversion . Why do

you suffer, seeking the objects of desires?

 

20. All the scriptures say that the Truth is without attributes,

pure, immutable, bodiless, and existing equally everywhere. Know me

to be That. 21. Know that which has form to be false, that which is

formless to be eternal. Through the instruction of this truth there

is no longer rebirth into this world.

 

SB: The jnani (self-realised) is not conscious of mukti or bandha

(bondage). Bondage, liberation and orders of mukti are all said for

an ajnani (ignorant) in order that ignorance might be shaken off.

There is only mukti or liberation and nothing else.

 

It is the human mind that creates its own difficulties and then cries

for help.

 

b: Jai Jai Ram ... it is true!!

 

SB: It is true that we are not bound and that the real Self has no

bondage. It is true that you will eventually go back to your source.

 

Liberation is our very nature. We are that. The very fact that we

wish for liberation shows that freedom from all bondage is our real

nature. It is not to be freshly acquired. All that is necessary is to

get rid of the false notion that we are bound. When we achieve that,

there will be no desire or thought of any sort. So long as one

desires liberation, so long, you may take it, one is in bondage.

 

 

 

b: Where Can I Go? Oh Krishna, where can I go but into the heart of

you? where does anywhere exist but in you? who am I ... but for you ?

it is only because of you that I exist I am yours . of myself ..... I

am not

 

Oh Krishna what was I before this ? before I knew you before my heart

who am I? When the over-bright wonder of my soul shines forth who

will deny you?

 

Oh Krishna You are my very self of myself ..... I am not I reach the

soul of you and find - not myself but you ,,,,,, nothing but you

everywhere, everywhere -.nothing but you OM!

 

Oh Krishna, fair sun of truth this soul which you have given me is

nothing but your own through it I live, through it I love by it am I

lifted to you oh Krishna Dear Krishna OM!

 

b: So long as one desires liberation, so long, you may take it, one

is in bondage. << --- yes!!

 

SB: yes ji

 

b: today dear one i will call you jnani.

 

SB: no, no, ji, there is jnani and no ajnani, there is only THAT just

playing with ITSELF! or may be dreaming

 

b: hohohoho; he who knows that he does not know --- he knows .... he

who says he knows .. he knows not

 

SB: It is false to speak of realization. What is there to realize?

The real is as it is always. We have simply to throw out all the age-

long samskaras (innate tendencies) which are inside us. When all of

them have been given up, the Self will shine alone.

even this is also in relative terms only;: just BE THAT

 

b: mmm. How can it be said that he does not shine? does he not shine

forth as all this?

 

SB: when the ignorance goes , the Self shines alone

 

b: yes, it is true.

 

SB: If the idea `I am the body' is accepted, the selves are multiple.

The state in which this idea vanishes is the Self since in that state

there are no other objects. It is for this reason that the Self is

regarded as one only.

 

The world does not exist without the body, the body never exists

without the mind, the mind never exists without consciousness and

consciousness never exists without the reality.

 

b: Siv om Siv OM!

 

SB: For the wise one who has known Self by divining within himself,

there is nothing other than Self to be known. Why? Because since the

ego which identifies the form of a body as `I' has perished, he (the

wise one) is the formless existence-consciousness.

 

Realization is nothing to be gained afresh; it is already there. All

that is necessary is to get rid of the thought `I have not realized'.

This means that as soon as one ceases to imagine that one is an

individual person, inhabiting a particular body, the whole

superstructure of wrong ideas collapse and is replaced by a conscious

and permanent awareness of the real Self.

 

b: __/|\__ thank you dear

 

SB: Namaste ji. Be only Be nothing else; there is no question of

effort or practice. All that is required is an understanding that the

Self is not a goal to be attained; it is merely the awareness that

prevails when all the limiting ideas about the not-Self have been

discarded.

 

Stillness or peace is realization. There is no moment when the Self

is not. So long as there is doubt or the feeling of non-realization,

the attempt should be made to rid oneself of these thoughts. They are

due to the identification of the Self with the not-Self. When the not-

Self disappears, the Self alone remains. To make room, it is enough

that objects be removed. Room is not brought in from elsewhere.

 

b: Simply remain in the clear light of THAT.... as you say there is

nothing to think....

 

b: Ramana...

 

SB: yes. Maharshi Ramana; You don't bring space you just remove the

soil while digging a well; space is always there; in the same way,

remove the not-self, Self will shine itself.

 

b: hohohj ... !!! very good

 

b: so i will go now thank you ji .... Namaste dear __/|\__

 

SB: yes ji. Namaskaar -- Be and Be only