Dear Self -- What is purity -- what is impurity

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Dear Self please hear your own voice here in these words...

 

with love and respect binduji

 

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Dear Self -- What is purity -- what is impurity

 

 

 

Dear one why do you see other than The Self? (Siva) since HE is ALL?

 

what is anava mala to the one who knows The Self? Since he does not

see

any impure thing (he sees all as the self and\or existence as the body

of the self).... how can anything be said to be impure to him?

 

On the other hand for he who does not see the Self in all AS ALL then

impure and pure also applies.. To That one who says thusly...

it is true though when HIS self realises HIM..purity starts ... else

the self is lost in prakrithi..

 

The above means... If a person sees other than the self in shape or

form (including his own) then he will be subject to the parkrti (the

results of his thought that THE SELF is impure)he will via this be

limited in himself to the Jiva... His saying that this is pure and

that

is impure, means he is seeing other then the self.... <--- for this to

come about or be applied... he (The Jiva) must see himself in

comparison to others hence he is in bondage also even though he cries

about purity.

..

 

To quote a friend..

 

SB.

For those who live in Self as the beauty Devoid of thought, there is

nothing, which should be thought of. That which should be adhered to

is

only the experience of silence, because in that supreme state nothing

exists to be attained other than oneself. (THE REAL SELF).

 

Stillness or peace is realization. There is no moment when the

Self is not. So long as there is doubt or the feeling of non-

realization, the attempt should be made to rid oneself of these

thoughts. They are due to the identification of the Self with the not-

self. When the not-self disappears, the Self alone remains.

 

 

That state which transcends speech and thought is mouna. That

which is, is mouna. How can mouna be explained in words?

 

end quote..

 

I asked him then how one should conduct oneself in silence...

 

 

Quote:

 

SB: Sages say that the state in which the thought " I " (the ego) does

not rise even in the least, THAT alone is Self (swarupa) which is

silence(mouna). That silent Self alone is God; Self alone is the jiva

(individual soul). Self alone is this ancient world. BUt The JIva is

NOT The Self!

 

For those who live in Self as the beauty devoid of thought, there is

nothing, which should be thought of. That which should be adhered to

is only the experience of silence, because in that supreme state

nothing exists to be attained other than oneself. Silence alone is

the real and perfect knowledge.

 

We have simply to throw out all the age-long Samskaras (innate

tendencies) which are inside us. When all of them have been given up,

the Self will shine alone.

 

Dear this also you have to realize in silence. Yes, because.

Self is you only, you can't describe Self. There is no goal to be

reached. There is nothing to be attained. You are The Self. You exist

always. Nothing more can be predicated of the Self than that it

exists. Seeing God or the Self is only being the Self or yourself.

Seeing is being.

 

b: So then even when the waves of consciousness ebb and flow one

should not think of anything like descriptions.

 

 

SB: if there is no " you " , only Self then there will not be any

movement in the consciousness. because. consciousness is Self only

and you are that;. : in relative terms , one can say the state of

thoughtless thought; consciousness at rest in itself.

 

b: Jai Jai Ram.... so then ..... the moving arrow moves in a space

equal to itself .. hence it does not and cannot move at all. In the

same way the universe (existence) though it appears to move does not

move at all, hence it does not exist in any separate way from HIM

 

SB: yes, right.

 

So i asked another question:

 

b: I see. Dear here is a question: When the small light of the jiva

is lost in the great light of The Self... who will know he is free?

 

SB: no one ji, u see ji, there is no jiva separate from the Great

Light; all are just illusions only.

 

b: yes,: so then who will be free? What is freedom to or for he who is

already free?

 

SB: no one will be free because. now also no one is in bondage; free

from what? Is there any bondage, no, not at all. We only think that

there is a bondage and we try to get free from that bondage; mind

itself creates the bondage and then cries to be free.

 

 

b: Yes. Here is something from Avadhuta Gita Chapter One--- >>

 

13. You are not born nor do you die. At no time do you have a body.

The scripture declares in many different ways - the well-known

dictum: " All is Brahman. "

 

14. You are He who is exterior and

interior. You are the auspicious One existing everywhere at all

times. Why are you running hither and thither deluded, like an

unclean spirit?

 

15. Union and separation exist in regard neither to

you nor to me. There is no you, no me, nor is there this universe.

All is verily the Self alone.

 

bindu: 19. You verily are Truth, devoid of change, motionless, one, of

the

nature of freedom. You have neither attachment nor aversion . Why do

you suffer, seeking the objects of desires?

 

20. All the scriptures say that the Truth is without attributes,

pure, immutable, bodiless, and existing equally everywhere. Know me

to be That. 21. Know that which has form to be false, that which is

formless to be eternal. Through the instruction of this truth there

is no longer rebirth into this world.

 

 

SB: The jnani (self-realised) is not conscious of mukti or bandha

(bondage). Bondage, liberation and orders of mukti are all said for

an ajnani (ignorant) in order that ignorance might be shaken off.

There is only mukti or liberation and nothing else.

 

It is the human mind that creates its own difficulties and then cries

for help.

 

b: Jai Jai Ram ... it is true!!

 

b: Jai Jai Ram ... it is true!!

 

SB: It is true that we are not bound and that the real Self has no

bondage. It is true that you will eventually go back to your source.

 

Liberation is our very nature. We are that. The very fact that we

wish for liberation shows that freedom from all bondage is our real

nature. It is not to be freshly acquired. All that is necessary is to

get rid of the false notion that we are bound. When we achieve that,

there will be no desire or thought of any sort. So long as one

desires liberation, so long, you may take it, one is in bondage.

 

 

b: Where Can I Go? Oh Krishna, where can I go but into the heart of

you? where does anywhere exist but in you? who am I ... but for you ?

it is only because of you that I exist I am yours . of myself ..... I

am not

 

Oh Krishna what was I before this ? before I knew you before my heart

who am I? When the over-bright wonder of my soul shines forth who

will deny you?

 

Oh Krishna You are my very self of myself ..... I am not I reach the

soul of you and find - not myself but you ,,,,,, nothing but you

everywhere, everywhere -.nothing but you OM!

 

Oh Krishna, fair sun of truth this soul which you have given me is

nothing but your own through it I live, through it I love by it am I

lifted to you oh Krishna Dear Krishna OM!

 

b: So long as one desires liberation, so long, you may take it, one

is in bondage. yes!!