The Jiva is not the SELF

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The Jiva is not the SELF

 

bv: i caught u - wht time is it there

b: hi lalla

b: 5am

bv: ok its 1am here

bv:

b: 1am? - why are yu not asleep?

bv: i don't know how to tell u this but i am gettng more and more involved in

understanding my spiritual path i can't eat or sleep i am searchng and searchng

like once you did.

b: hmm

bv: i learnt an important lesson; that meditation just happens we cannot make it

happen; concentration contemplation then meditation.

b: excellent!

 

bv: i don't have to teach you all this but i am just happy to share with you; am

i right?

b: yes...

bv: i still have a lot to share with you when time permits.

 

 

b: The meditation that we could say is MANUFACTURED when we TRY to meditate is a

product of the mmind trying to create it; i.e it is the Jiva thinking HE is

meditating; whereas the moments of meditation that happens by themselves... are

glimpses of truth

 

bv: hmm: so actually speaking we medidate every moment.

 

b: Yes. think of smoke gradually merging with the air slowly it gets less and

less visible then is gone; like smoke there should just be a letting go of

i-ness and me-ness; there should be a letting go of the Jiva " AS " self.

 

bv: a letting go of the ego " AS " self..

 

b: yes. This letting go should be a constantly remembered and practiced

attitude.

 

bv: yes guru; Thankyou

 

b: it should be the natural state of merging and manifesting, like clouds coming

and going. There should be no preferred state of mind (no preferred mode of

consciousness) as all modes are HIS and HE plays in all rejecting none

 

bv: The Concept of spirituality is so beautiful if one understands.

 

b: mmm - it is not a mystery... there is nothing hidden .... it is right in

front of us. All beings are HIM existing " AS " that being ...(HE is existing as

that being in that mode of consciousness) and is free in all modes of that being

and of all beings " AS " all beings also.

 

b: There are no beings he prefers more than another ... not even gods and guru's

- all are equally HIS and HIM

b: yet when the Jiva sees HIS (the Self's) reflection in the mind, the jiva

thinks he has reached enlightenment

b: this is not so; the jiva has no self or consciousness of his own. The one who

is conscious in him is THE SELF even when HE (THE SELF ) chooses to be ignorant

of who HE IS ...

 

b: He (THE SELF) is said to be asleep as-to-who-he-is; when the Self awakens as

to who-he-is...

b: he (THE SELF) is said to be the awakened one ... i.e. HE is awake to

who-he-is.

 

bv: beautiful thankyou; i am glad you came at the right moment again to me.

 

b: so lalla ... as Jiva people think that THEY (THE JEEVA) must surrender to

this thinking and\or attitude of mind they think HE will then save them ....

they pray and pray for this and that... but HE won't!

 

bv: hmm

 

b: This is because the Jiva is not real....i.e if HE (THE SELF) acknowledges the

existence of Jiva as a REAL being ... who has a self of his own.... then he (THE

SELF) is validating the reality of the Jiva...

 

bv: hmm

 

b: Instead if the mind of the jiva is refined by constant rememberance of the

REALITY of THE SELF in him (IN The Jiva)

then that is a different thing altogether; then HE (THE SELF) has to acknowledge

himself and free HIMSELF

b: do you see the difference here?

 

bv: yes, we should let go the ego of the ego-as-self ... let go of Jiva-as-self.

and be universal love.

 

b: Yes this is an attitude of faith and trust (which means acceptance of THE

SELF " AS SELF) whereas the other attitude is the seeking of the validation of

the Jiva-as'self; when in reality the jiva has no self of his own at all.

 

bv: cool it take it slowwwwwwwwwwww

bv: hmmm

bv: now i bid u gudnght

b: mm.. __/|\_

b: good night :Lalla

bv: have a good day

b: sleep well

bv: and me a good sleep pranam with hugs

bv: hope to c u again online soon

b: bye now

bv: byeeeeeeeeeee

b: welcome

bv: and thnx