Tantra's revival by Siddha Guru Gorakh Nathh.

[Guest guest]

Many take Tantra as Black Magic. Tantra is one of the greatest

philosophies. It has two parts Dakshin and Vaam Marga. Dakshin

Tantra Takes us towards truth Through Gyan and Vaam Marga takes via

path of Ananad.

 

Later, Vaam Marga was defamed by some people who in the name of

Tantra used vaam marga for sex, wine and wealth...and slowly it

reduced to black magic. Black magic makes makes just 0.5% of Vaam

Tantra.

 

When Tantra lost its original shape is not known. But its deformed

Vaam Marga flourished a lot. Mahabharata times had such Tantriks in

High mountains and later on in 1st and 2nd century these vaam margi

Tantrik had taken over India. People were Afraid of them because of

the black magic they performed with the help of wine, meat sex

etc....Tantra was the path hated becoz of them, and people avoided

them.

 

During 1st Century the kings of India were the 3rd/4th generation

of king Kanishka. It was during this regime that the correct Vaam

Marga of Tantra was revived by Tantrik Ashwaghosh. His main

disciple Nagarjuna (who was from south India..perhaps Andhra

Pradesh), carried the work of his guru forward. It is said that the

Mahayana sect of Budhism is actually based on the teachings of

Nagarjuna. Somewhre in Andhra Pradesh Nagarjuna established his

first Tantra Kendra and started teaching the Vaam Margi Tantra to

his disciples, most of whom were Budhists. in 800 ad a great centre

for Tantra was established in Bihar with the name VikramShila. In

1202 Muslim invaders destroyed VikramShila and killed all inmates,

but by then the centre had produced 84 Sidhhas (perfected

tantriks). Though common men hated those tantriks becuase they were

unable to understand their ways of wine, sex and meat.

 

Sir John woodroff's book " Shakti & Shakta " has a detailed

explanations of these path.

 

Now coming back to 84 sidhhas....Nagarjuna and other sidhhas (named

Sarhapa, shabrpa, tilopa etc) were all most perfect in Vaam Marga of

Tantra and were busy in enjoying lower sidhhis like Yakshini,

Dakini, Shava sadhna, Karnapishachini etc. One of the sidhha

JallundharPa had a great disciple named MatsyenderaPa (he became

Nath from Pa later).

 

So One day Matsyendra was visiting a village, and a woman

requested him to bless her for a son as she had no child and her

husband was angry with her. Matsyendra Nath gave her a mango and

told her to eat that mango, but also asked her to give her son to

him as disciple when he would be 12 years old. The woman,after

hearing many bad things about Tatriks threw the mango in a pit where

cow-dung was thrown. After 12 years, Matsayendra Nath came to her

and asked for her son. She was afraid and she told the story of

mango to him. Guru Matsyendra nath went near the pit and called, " O

my son it is 12 years...come out and be my disciple " Hearing this a

brilliant boy of 12 years came out of the pit. He was named

GorakshNath (called Gorakh Nath too). Gorakh Nath was a Sidhha by

birth and knew all the Tantra at that age.

 

Gorakh Nath was the only Sidhha who purged the Vaam Marga Tantra

of the impurities of 5 Ms. and created/revived another Marga called

Kriya Yoga or Dakshin Marga. This sect was called " Nath Panthh " and

the disciples of Gorakh Nath are called Naaths. They are also

called " Kanfatey yogi " becoz they wear big Kundals in their ears and

thus their ears have big holes lumping down.

 

Gorakh Nath was the only Human till then, who was taught Tantra by

Lord Shiva himself. Lord Shiva also blessed him to be alive till

Mahapralaya and spread the correct path of Tanta.

 

GOrakh Nath removed the ignorance of his guru Matsyendra Nath

who was hooked up by a woman Tantrika, who used him for lower

siddhis.

 

It is also said that when Goraksh Nath reached Jawalji Temple (In

himachal Pradesh - this temple was a great centre of Tantriks and we

still have Nagarjuna and gorakhnath temple there)...Mother Jawalaji

(which is a local name of Dhumavati, the seventh of 10 Mahavidyas),

appeared before him and asked for wine and meat as per Shakta

rituals. She insisted she will be only happy if he presented her

wine and meat. Guru Gorakh Nath understood that it was test from

Mother for him...and by his wits, he got her promise to take Sattvic

food as offerings. so Gorakh Nath made a fire out of nothing there

and asked mother to remain there till he comes back to offer her

prashad... It is said Mother is still waiting there, as gorakh nath

deliberately never went back so that the Shakti permanently resides

in Jwalaji.

 

Nathh sect do all the Tantric Sadhna without using 5 Ms i.e.

without meat, wine, sex,mudra,matsya. Their Sadhnas are centered

around Chakras, Nadis and Kundalini.. and many of them are great

sidhas...they have many psychic powers, but normally they do not

exhibhit their powers to common people.

 

Many say Gorakh Nath was re-incarnation of Patanjali....and it may

also be true that he may be no other than the " Babaji " mentioned by

Yogananda in " Autobiography of a Yogi "

 

They cry " Alakh Niranjan " as salutation or to ask for alms or to

call god.

 

 

Alakh Niranjan

[Guest guest]

Very nice Aum,

 

 

Can you tell me something more, about the basic principles of such a

sadhana, and what one has to do and what they achieve finally.

 

At a higher level it seems to be related to Lord, i want to know this

nature and potential of his. Because by my meditation i know that i

have some of the inherent techniques revolving around chakras, and

also There is another wya to Invoke each chakra, that is by invoking

sukshma chakras related to that main chakra.

 

But the knowledge about these sukshma chakra and how to find whcih

main chakra it is related is difficult, as it has almost flourished.

 

So i want to know, if your tantra and vaam Maarga, has anything

related to this. I have always

 

-- Deito

 

Harirnama Harirnama Harirnama Kevalam.

 

, " Aum " <beirut_ka_baba wrote:

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> Many take Tantra as Black Magic. Tantra is one of the greatest

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Aum,

 

My Dear Brother, you can help me, This has something to do with my

past, but do not know exactly what, Can you please tell me more about

this, as i do not know much.

 

Please let me know. Basically what is the basis of such a saadhana,

and what does one achieve , and what is the methods used, and why wine

, meat and something else you told are used. this post is full of

questions to me, but yes i do agree i know other way of achieving the

same siddhis.

 

 

But once one becomes a siddha, as yo utold there is always a

possibility of getting into material enjoyment, and also being a

kruri, because of the powers they have.

 

-- Deito

 

Harirnama Harirnama Harirnama Kevalam.

 

 

, " Aum " <beirut_ka_baba wrote:

>Tantra Takes us towards truth Through Gyan and Vaam Marga takes via

> path of Ananad.

[Guest guest]

, deito01 <no_reply wrote:

>

> Can you tell me something more, about the basic principles of such a

 

Dear Deito,

 

the Vaam marga Tantra has almost vanished from India and what is

left is a deformed version of black magic and cheating. Vaam Marga is

alive only as Aghoras in India, and we have at least one genuine

Aghora & one Naathh in this group. If they are reading these

messeages, may be he can throw some light.

 

Vaam Marga,is called the path of the bravest. Vaam Marga does not

reject anything in the world. they take the basic so called bad

habits (like drinking, sex etc)....and make it so divine that one can

reach the final enlightenment. Vaam Marga can not be done without

initiation by proper guru, which is impossible to find now. Vaam

marga is the fastest way to enlightenment.

 

The aim of Tantra is to merge into the supreme consciousness and this

they achieve not by rejecting any thing, but by accepting the whole

universe as body of Mother Shakti, in mating with Shiva.

 

Nathh Sect takes out the 5 Ms, and do Sattvic sadhna. their main

sadhna is awakening of kundalini, cleaning of chakras and anhad Naad.

 

This subject is very deep, and can be taken piece by

piece....Shanracer can suggest you some books to have a first hand

idea of the subject. Sir John woodroff is the authority on Tantra in

modern times... He was Judge in Bengal court in British times, and

learnt Tantra from the most authentic gurus.

 

Kundalini and chakras are very important as all sadhnas in the

world, done by any religion, finally lead to clearing of chakras and

awakening of kundalini. Tantriks do it directly.

 

Tantra is so deep and profound philosophy that if we understand Tantra

we can understand all religions and all paths of all

religions....where they stand what they achieve

 

The main philosophy of Tantra speaks of 36 elements which constitute

the Universe...understanding these Tattwas. So Tantra is basically

Shakti path+shaiva path + 36 tattwas.

 

A true Tantrik is a true Bhakta, a true gyani and a true Yogi.

 

i will write something more on this, as much is permitted by Mother

shakti

 

 

AUM

[Guest guest]

I suddenly got interested in this because i have seen in my visions of

the temple of Lord Hari, i usually keep describing , there is a vast

area, whcih are with ashrams, and there i see many saints teaching

this to students, but it has nothing to do with wine etc etc.. and

really in no way black or crooked.. it is just like a detailed study

whcih is being thought by grate looking saints, and i see students

practicing, i have also seen in my puja, one very charming boy assists

me while i try to place a Beautiful long Petaled lotus on Lords Bujha,

i am not able to reach , and this young charming boy form one of the

schools, Requests me the flower and using his siddis he places the

flower automatically without toughing it.

 

And he does the same thing s what all others do and goes back to his

school.

 

all these are not dreams, all these look to me like , some divine

place, whcih is present somewhere or will be established.

 

but i dunno how i am always there, as i have never witnessed. Also my

of hari in my heart is also influences by this place. i do not know

where this place is, and even do not know if it is existing or it will

be manifested.

 

 

But i am not that concerned, because everything happens at lords will,

so he would have wanted me to see this things and i would have seen,

and when he wants me to witness i may witness too.

 

-- Deito

 

 

Harirnama Harirnama Harirnama Kevalam.

 

, " Aum " <beirut_ka_baba wrote:

>

[Guest guest]

Dearest Deito...

 

In my opinion OSHO was a vaam Tantrik... there are many instances where he

guided people on this path...

 

I suggest you read his book " Tantra the supreme understanding " .

 

Great book...

 

Love

 

Bala...

 

 

On 9/16/07, Aum <beirut_ka_baba wrote:

>

> <%40>, deito01

> <no_reply wrote:

> >

> > Can you tell me something more, about the basic principles of such a

>

[Guest guest]

, deito01 <no_reply wrote:

>

> I suddenly got interested in this because i have seen in my visions

of

> the temple of Lord Hari, i usually keep describing , there is a vast

 

Dear Deito, These visions are an important part of sadhna, and they

confirm to us that we well attuned with the system. Like yr vision,

you soul is connected to the higher astral planes, where your Sukshma

sharir sees these scenes and transmits them to your brain, who

transliterate them according to his capacities.

 

Tantra is not necessariy wine and sex... Dakshin Marga tantra or Nathh

tantra are purely sattvic and are equally powerful. It is said there

is still a big Ashrama of Dakshin Tantriks somewhere in Tibet, but no

one can find it. Only those students who are ready to initiation are

taken there by sidhas.

 

Aum

[Guest guest]

yes you are correct, and i can verify the authenticity, because when i

experience these , these are very different from dreams, and my Self

will never be ready to agree that they are dream, but in case of

dreams, i can easily make out.

 

that is my place, where i guess i had been, or will be some time. All

mercy of Hari, he is often called Hariu, because he is the one who can

save the soul from merging into the ocean of pain. i am not able to

contemplate nor understand the reason for this love.

 

 

-- Deito

 

, " Aum " <beirut_ka_baba wrote:

[Guest guest]

Dear Aum,

 

As i have got intense desire to see my Lord, and also understand his

nature in more detail, I sat for meditation, and i got some signals

near eye brow, very strong signals, but i am unable to interpret

those, it seems like a door to a whole new world, and i donno i feel

like getting close to my happiness, feels like something which is

missing meets me there.

 

Seems like someone calling me, seems like the pain in heart, as if i

have left someone who loves me lot, seems like someone waiting ..

seems like i have left someone and came here.. i donno i am getting

confused, and need to understand, i am going of meditating .. I may

not be available for some .. donno how much .. will be back .. donno

when .. salutes to all of you ..

 

I have always felt thins through out my life, someone trying to invade

my mind, pervade me, calling me, always, that pain i want to

understand, but the truth is , i was a coward, always i thought this

to be something like dangerous , and may hurt me. But as my lord is

there to protect me if i get in trouble, i feel there is no need to be

afraid anymore, i will get back, when i came back.

 

yours.

 

- Deito

 

Vaikunta Purusha, Prana namostuthe, Harirnama Harirnama Harirnama Kevalam.

 

 

, " Aum " <beirut_ka_baba wrote:

[Guest guest]

Dear Aum,

 

Read all yours and other participants post - must say very interesting only

regret you did not invite me earlier

Ofcourse you may say your time had not come and hence i was not

motivated to invite you.

 

Anyway re above article you have asked shanracer to recommend books. I

have read a recent book

 

TANTRA the cult of the Feminine by Andre Van Lysbeth who studied in

India and is the president of

 

Belgian school of Yoga. Thought if this could help.

 

Best wishes

 

Sudhakar

 

 

, " Aum " <beirut_ka_baba wrote:

gyani and a true Yogi.

>

> i will write something more on this, as much is permitted by Mother

> shakti

>

>

> AUM

>

[Guest guest]

, " Aum " <beirut_ka_baba wrote:

 

 

> Gorakh Nath was the only Sidhha who purged the Vaam Marga Tantra

 

My dear sweet baba Guru Gorakh Nath was an incarnation of Lord Shiva

Here is a chopai(from Guru Mahima) for you. He is my first Guruji who

started the Nath sect

 

man ko jeet jisne bas aana, dharat aakash paatal samana,

Shri Nath Machchindra sadha sthir jano,chela shri Gorakhnath pachchano

 

Shri Gorakh Guru jati kashtvo kahiye, naam let Amrapur lahiye

Gorakh Guru sabka hi jaano, Maahadev ka rup pahchano

 

naukhand prithvi key mahi, Gorakh jal thal beech samahi

ravi saman jag mein pragatyo, jagat mein Nath panth chalayo

 

Naam let hatya mit jaave, Gaurakh mukh se jabhi alave

Gorakh sou gau jin rakhi, kavi ne saanchi vaarta bakhi

 

Guru Gorakh jab sumer chadh gayo, alil purush chela dhar liyo

alil purush jab panth chalayo , nau khand mein chakkar firayo

 

alil purush tum jaano soi lin alin kahat hain joi

sabke parey sabkey saath, tinka chela Shri Ratan so Nath

 

Hope this solves your curiosity as to who Baba Guru Gorakh Nath ji is

Also the Nath Gurus do not wear those big ear lobes anymore lol

 

Baba I know nothing about tantra . Can you tell me some scripture

that will help me understand tantra and know about it?

 

love and prayers

[Guest guest]

, deito01 <no_reply wrote:

>

I sat for meditation, and i got some signals

> near eye brow, very strong signals, but i am unable to interpret

 

Dear Deito you are loved by god... follow these signals without any

resistance..

 

AUM

[Guest guest]

, deito01 <no_reply wrote:

>

>

> As i have got intense desire to see my Lord, and

> Seems like someone calling me, seems like the pain in heart someone

 

Dear Deito,

When you come back here you will be closer to God. Your great pain

is viraha /seperation. It means that God is calling you. Your pain is

a blessing. Hope to see you soon

 

Aradhna

[Guest guest]

Aum,

 

Where are you, i meditated till now, it is something like six hours,

out of which i donno what happened for over 4 hours.

 

But, i am still not able to comprehend, but now the feel of pull, at

the eyebrow is less, and i fee a bit relaxed, but more than this,

still i am not getting my answers,

 

something is pricking me, i am not able to interpret. Please help me

do you know anything about such a situation.

 

Waiting to listen form you. My voice has changed, and i did not make

our this change, my sister asked " did you speak liek that " and told,

it was strange . I am confused by this feel.

 

-- Deito

 

Harirnama Harirnama Harirnama Kevalam. Ananthaya Namostute.

[Guest guest]

Did i do some mistake, i donno i am disturbed , and i dont feel good.

I used to be VERY VERY undisturbed, liek a pleasant water, clear with

its visibility.

 

I used to just know and remember about my Lord, i used to Just say to

myself about his various past , and his various nature and attributes,

his greatness, and his attributes. I used to be so pleasant.

 

Even now i am the same, but feels like some itch near my eyebrow, and

feel like going back to meditation. But i don't want to go again. am i

getting addicted to this meditation ?.

 

I fell, i will get addicted and sit for days and i wont even know how

days passed by, i am scared.. i have many things to do, and today was

sunday , and i could spare some hours.. i donno .. but no worries... I

will sleep at my Lords feet for some time.. he will cure me.. IF

something i wrong.

 

meanwhile, if someone knows anything like this and how to overcome

this desire to go back to that itch... let me know please.

 

-- Deito

 

Krsnaya , Mukundaya, Govindaya, Narayanaaya, Keshavaaya Namaha.

Namo Harihi. Harirnama Harirnama Harirnama Kevalam.

 

 

, " i_free_spirit " <i_free_spirit

wrote:

>

> , deito01 <no_reply@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > As i have got intense desire to see my Lord, and

> > Seems like someone calling me, seems like the pain in heart someone

>

> Dear Deito,

> When you come back here you will be closer to God. Your great pain

> is viraha /seperation. It means that God is calling you. Your pain is

> a blessing. Hope to see you soon

>

> Aradhna

>

[Guest guest]

, deito01 <no_reply wrote:

> But, i am still not able to comprehend, but now the feel of pull, at

 

 

Dear Deito,

 

What you are feeling is very normal in Sadhna. It is the burst

of energy released by the Kundalini, which creates such situations.

 

The energy when not properly dissipated, creates pulls, itchings,

heating sensations or tingling on particular chakras.

 

the best way to distribute this energy is free dancing, do some

sankirtan, do some sam pranayama....or cry before Krishna.. all are

equally good...as i have tried all and found best

 

Aum

[Guest guest]

Aum,

 

Is this really normal.. lol .. . i don't think any energy bursted

Aum.. Just i am feeling un-pleasant.. and nothing else, but a severe

itch from my eyebrows.. as if the chicken inside the egg is trying to

break its shell and come out.

 

 

Btu one thing surprising is that i don't remember anything for some

time in my meditating.. i can remember initially it was tough and i

was not able to sit and was trying hard.. but later i sat and i got my

senses just like some time back i got up and i see that i have covered

6 hours.. this was the only thing surprising.. but i am feeling

unstable.. i am not able to cry also .. as you suggested.. any other

method.. ?

 

-- Deito

 

Harirnama Harirnama Harirnama Kevalam .

[Guest guest]

, deito01 <no_reply wrote:

 

> Is this really normal.. lol .. . i don't think any energy bursted

> Aum.. Just i am feeling un-pleasant.. and nothing else, but a

severe

 

Un-pleasent ???? or not attuned with the material world.. i think

you got a love letter from your beloved..!!!!

 

I woke and found his letter with the morning.

I do not know what it says, for I cannot read.

I shall leave the wise man alone with his books,

I shall not trouble him,

for who knows if he can read what the letter says.

Let me hold it to my forehead and press it to my heart.

When the night grows still and stars come out one by one

I will spread it on my lap and stay silent.

The rustling leaves will read it aloud to me,

the rushing stream will chant it,

and the seven wise stars will sing it to me from the sky.

I cannot find what I seek, I cannot understand what I would learn;

but this unread letter has lightened my burdens and turned my

thoughts into songs.

(Peom by Rabindra Nathh Tagore)

 

AUM

[Guest guest]

But i am remembering some thing form my childhood and all, which i

thought , i will never remember and are lost in memories.. but this

can be normal..

 

but yes i am not able to understand anything, and still something is

waiting near my eyebrows .. i donno hwy i am speaking so much . i was

always silent.. i am feeling like not sleeping tonight and going back

to meditation.. why am i attracted to that so much ..

 

 

Hope i am not troubling you.. i wont ask you more.. just this is last

thing.. you go to sleep .. i have become unstable.. if i sleep i guess

it should be normal by morning..srry srry

-- Deito

 

Jagajjalapalam kachad kanda malam,

Sarahandraphalam mahadaithyakalam,

Nabho neelakayam duravaramayam,

Supadmasahayam Bajeham Bajeham.

 

Harirnama Harirnama Harirnama Kevalam.

[Guest guest]

Dearest Deito....

 

I have a suggestion....

Try to keep your mind open.. accept all that comes.. joyfully like a baby in

your lord's lap...

 

He will take care...

 

The Agna chakra is the center for thought.. the last frontier....beyond is

the akasha... the ether....

 

If you tie one end of the rope to the pillar... the other end to your

waist..., but an infinite current is pulling you...How would you feel...

 

Surrender fully to Krsna...he know what to do....Just open your mind like a

baby and welcome him...

 

The itching is the energy trying to break free.... Just allow it....

 

Drop me a mail....

 

Love

 

Bala...

[Guest guest]

, " spbyoga9 " <spbyoga9 wrote:

>

 

Dear sudhakar,

 

Welcome to our Satsang and thanks for recommending the book. Please

feel free and put your questions/answers/views on the beautiful

threads going on.

 

Aum

[Guest guest]

> is still a big Ashrama of Dakshin Tantriks somewhere in Tibet, but no

> one can find it. Only those students who are ready to initiation are

> taken there by sidhas.

>

> Aum

>

 

Babaji is this ashram which is refered in the book called " The Monk

who sold his Ferrari " by Robin sharma??

Shivaya Namah Aum.

Thiruchitambalam.

Senthil.

[Guest guest]

Senthilji, I dont think its an Ashram of people who write books....

as if it was, everybody would be running there now to make gurus, & it

would no longer be secret!

 

Such an Ashram does exists. It is said Masters of all religons

converge there & decide big question of Earth. They act as link b/w

Heaven & Earth.

 

The interesting thing I read was, even though its in Tibet, most

Tibetans dont know about it, & most of its inhabitants are not

Buddhists, but Hindus, Pagans, Shamans from all over world.

 

You must be a very high level Sadhak, almost near Moksha, or even

attained it, to be invited there.

 

If you have read any books by Alice Bailey, she talked to a very high

level Tibetan. But that Tibetan used Hindu terminology, which makes me

think he was once Hindu, but moved to Tibet.

 

The Tibetan calls the Ashram Shamballa(not to be confused with city of

same name), & describes it as a place where high level Gurus routinely

contact Astral & Causal World Rishis to see how Humanity is to be

progressed(which may include how & where Avtaars will be born etc).

 

Thats all I know. When I am near Moksha, & if they invite me, I'll be

sure to tell you!

[Guest guest]

ShanJi,

Thanks.

Robin sharma in his book also says something similar to what you said.

A famous lawyer from UK suddenly leaves the country and after several

years returns back to his native, even his assistants do not recogonise

him. at this juncture he narrates what happened. in this he states that

he was in search of truth, and accidentally he ends up in himalayas and

there after a lot of toil a siddha take him to that ashram refered in

your/babaji's post where he is tested again and taught several things.

thanks for your reference, will look for those books aswell.

Shivaya Namah Aum.

Thiruchitrambalam.

Senthil.

[Guest guest]

, " Senthil " <senthil_sym wrote:

 

Senthil dear i have not read that book.. but the ashram may be same,

or there may be more than one ashram. It is also possible the Ashram

does not have a material presence and is in Astral world, which

correspondes with Mount Kailash.

 

But great siddhas like Babaji (Auotibiography of a Yogi) and many

other like Gorakhnath talk of this ashram...and certainly it is not to

be found...as only invited sadhakas can go there. I read this

description in various books.

 

Aum