When is it possible to help?...... synchronicity.

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Dear brothers & sisters

 

One thing I forgot to tell you about this & you may find it

interesting. Its quite incredible how I found out about this.

 

Last week I started a course in holistic therapies & a woman came up

to me saying she recognised my face. We chatted for a while &

discovered many things - she had seen me when I taught yoga at

another gym - and she lived on my street! Just round the corner from

me! " What a coincidence " she said. " Ha ha " I said " there is no such

thing as a coincidence. " I smiled to myself and wondered why the

universe had brought this woman to me.

 

The second time I saw her (on monday) we chatted about the other gym

& the name of the man who runs the gym came up in conversation. (Im

now referring to the man with the criminal record.) " Ive known of him

for about 5 years - what a coincidence " she said. " Ah well, Im sure

you can tell me all about him " I said " because I haven't known him

long. "

 

So she told me what little she knew & I found the rest out on the

internet.

 

Its wonderful to look back & realise (in hindsight) what was

definitely happening at the time. For that to come up in conversation

during only the second time I had spoken to her was...... well, there

is no such thing as a coincidence.

 

With love

 

Farah

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, " janfarah_strongspirit "

<janfarah_strongspirit wrote:

 

>I smiled to myself and wondered why the

> universe had brought this woman to me.

 

Dear Farha, I would see it that negativity had started woven its net

around you and the Kind Universal System arranged to send a woman to

you to warn you... leaving the choice to you... and further stressed

the warning through this group sadhna.

 

Just imagine, you had now known abt his past...and out of love and

compassion, fallen into the trap !!!!

 

The System is very kind and sends its warnings and suggestions...but

still leaving the choice to us to select or reject.

 

This petty free will of selection or rejection is the main cause

of future course... leaving infinite possiblities before Mother

Nature to test her energies.

 

somewhere in the world, a woman fell into his trap...and surely

system warned her too..and she did not listen.

 

Nature experiments like this...and progresses further with hits

and trials.

 

But certainly those who are advanced on spirituality, the signals

are clearer, warnings are more and chances of getting away from

negativity are more....as Mother Nature does not want a person to go

backwards on spiritual journey.

 

 

It is a beautiful, wonderful, loving, caring and strong Matrix of

Energies in which we are playing the game of world.

 

Aum

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, " Aum " <beirut_ka_baba wrote:

>

Universal System arranged to send a woman to

> you to warn you... leaving the choice to you... and further stressed

> the warning through this group sadhna.

>

 

Dear Aum

 

I see it clearly now - but this is where I get confused. I knew the

universe had sent this woman to me. I knew she was meant to tell me

ablout this man. But then I was stuck. I was asking myself, does the

universe want me to have compassion & help? Is this why I have been put

in this situation? Or is the universe warning me against him. My gut

instinct was telling me 90% to walk away, but I just dont get it 100%

clear until much later.

 

With love

 

Farah

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Farahji & Babaji, I have a question- how do we know whether something

we want to do(like help someone)- God wants us to do it, or we are

doing it to satisfy our own ego?

 

love

shantnu

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, shanracer <no_reply wrote:

>

> how do we know whether something

> we want to do(like help someone)- God wants us to do it, or we are

> doing it to satisfy our own ego?

>

>

Dear brother

 

This is exactly where I feel lost. Ive never thought of my helping

someone, as being something that comes from my ego, or could come

from my ego. If I help someone I dont want anything in return or in

exchange. They owe me nothing, thats not why Im doing it. If I can

say something, give something, do something - Im doing that because I

may be able to help that person in some way. Where I get confused is

where to draw the line, especially if I feel very strongly that the

universe is already conspiring to make things happen around me, I get

the messages mixed.

 

I'd be interested to hear what anyone thinks on this subject.

 

With love

 

Farah

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, shanracer <no_reply wrote:

how do we know whether something

> we want to do(like help someone)- God wants us to do it, or we are

> doing it to satisfy our own ego?

 

this question is not so easy to answer. While this is true that

Mother Shakti is working through us to run the universe... (As i dont

drag God in between..he is just " IS " ).

 

For an enlightened soul...this question does not arise, because

whatever he does is directly received from the System.... the prob is

for those who are on the path of sadhna, but not yet enlightened.

 

When we start on the path of sadhna, the lower nature in us remains

and demands her share of energies. This lower nature is very cunning

and shrewed and forces us to think in higher terms. It tells us big

names like LOVE, Compassion etc etc. and makes us believe we are doing

good job.... whereas our ahankaar is nourished through these jobs.

 

So the best way from my own experience (which i got after so many

shocks and economic/emotional/spiritual loses ), I would say that a

sadhaka should always refrain from the " Idea of changing others "

or " Helping Others spiritually/emotionally /economically " ....as in 99%

of cases these are game plans of lower nature... either our lower

nature or the other party's. If god wishes to change some one

spiritually, he does not need us and will never put a desire in us to

change someone....that much is pretty sure. He would send him to an

enlighetened soul... or will deal directly.

 

Those who have matured to Wake up spiritually....even fall of a dead

leaf will wake them up. Lao Tzu becamed enlightened when he saw a

dead leaf falling from the tree. King Janak became enlightened by

just riding his horse.

 

If someone comes to us and ask for spiritual guidance give it

freely, but not with a Mission to " Change that person " .

 

so in the beginning such thoughts should always be avoided..these

are surely a cry of Ahankaar, who wishes to prove he is superior.

 

It is like if you are going on the way a begger comes to you and

ask for a pence, you just give it without much thought

 

the problem comes, when we see a begger and try to make him

rich.... WHY should we ?

 

I invite more questions on this.. as the subject is deep and cant be

really explained so easily.

 

AUM

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, " Aum " <beirut_ka_baba wrote:

 

 

Does it mean, a sadhaka should not help any one spiritually or

emotionally ?

 

ansuya

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, ansuya80 <no_reply wrote:

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> , " Aum " <beirut_ka_baba@> wrote:

>

>

> Does it mean, a sadhaka should not help any one spiritually or

> emotionally ?

>

> ansuya

 

 

NO it certainly does not mean that, rather a sadhaka should be more

helpful and loving.

 

Like I said we give alms to the begger... but we do not try to make

him rich.

 

or if we are crossing the road and someone needs help, we

should... but we can not roam the streets and look for people

needing to cross the road.

 

If someone asks for spiritual guidance give it...but if there is

a feeling of " I am helping " or " He needs me " then we should just

stop and see. It is not easy, but once we understand the game of

mind, it will be little easier to find out. Like 10 years before i

could not distinguish...but with continued sadhna i can at least

find out 50% of my desires as games of ego and mind...it will

improve more with more sadhna

 

Sending positive energy to the person is the best thing for a

sadhaka to do for others... in the beginning

 

Aum

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Babaji, can you pls post King Janaks story, how Ashtavakra made him

enlightened before he got on his horse? I heard it some time ago, but

have forgotten it.

 

love

Shantnu

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, " Aum " <beirut_ka_baba wrote:

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>

> Sending positive energy to the person is the best thing for a

> sadhaka to do for others... in the beginning

>

>

Dear brothers & sisters

 

Wow, I think the penny just dropped for me on this one. See what you

think.

 

If I give money to a beggar Im not really helping him am I? He may

spend the money on food for today, but tomorrow he will starve. He

may spend the money on drink or drugs & so I have played a part in

perpetuating that cycle of addiction & ill health. How can I really

help people like this? By donating to the organisations that help

them get off the streets - the people who will really help them get

out of that situation & give them hope for a better tomorrow. (What's

that saying - 'don't give me fish, teach me how to fish for myself?'

Something like that.)

 

Anyway, thats not where the penny dropped for me just now! About 3

weeks ago I 'put myself out' shall we say, just to help someone. The

person I helped had been a problem to me in the past, but I thought

this was my way of showing myself I had no bad feelings & wasnt

holding on to any old resentment - so I did something I didn't have

to do, just for them, with an open heart, asking nothing in return.

At the time I remember thinking 'I hope this negative person doesnt

bring any negativity back into my life, I will have to be careful.'

Well bingo! This person has just become the negative, angry person

they always were & I felt this hostility in the pit of my stomach.

This person has tried to suck me into their web of darkness, like

water being sucked down a plug hole. But I am strong. I have learned

my lesson & my lesson is this...

 

If I am crossing a road anyway, you can come with me by all means. If

I have some food, then you can share it with me no problem. If I can

show you how to fish for yourself, then I am happy to do that with an

open heart. But if you ask me to do something I really cannot do, or

dont feel happy doing, then I shouldnt be doing it in the first place

& the answer will be no. It is good karma for me to give what I can,

but I also have to think of my own well being in the long run.

 

With love

 

Farah

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, " janfarah_strongspirit "

<janfarah_strongspirit wrote:

 

My Dear strong-spirit

 

It is not necessarily our ego which forces us to do

charity...sometimes we are really serious without ego to help

someone out of love and compassion....but the other party being a

strong negative force... in fact plays with us.

 

I will cite an incident which happened in 1997, and that incident

will further elaborate this wonderful topic going on.

 

I had started my sadhna and was treading fast on the path. I was

sent to a department where many purchases were made and was full of

corruption. I being a sadhka, brought corruption under control and

made the purchases transparent...hence was not liked by my bosses

and juniors :0

 

One of the businessman who was supplying goods to our department,

one day came to me and asked me - sir I heard you do sadhna. Can

you help me ? I am into business and I always have my mind

disturbed... so show me the path to truth.

 

I was very happy...that my sadhna will help a real sinner. I

asked him to stop eating non-veg and stop drinking alcohol and start

certain pranayama for about 3 months. He readily agreed...and when

ever he would come to office, he would tell others...how he was

helped by me.

 

I really felt flattered and happy. One can learn to digest

insults...but it is the most difficult not to be moved by

appreciations.

 

He would come to me and tell sir now it is so much time i have

left non-veg and left alcohol....he would narrate some of his

experiences, which I felt were similar as mine....so i encouraged

him further. also to help him economically gave him many orders

from the office, so that he is not troubled for money.

 

I narrated this incident proudly to another businessman...who

gave me the shock of my life. He revealed - Sir that man is real

crook. He has not left anything. He takes chicken daily and drinks

daily..many times with me. Just yesterday night he was all drunk in

a party. He is simply fooling you, to get orders from you.

 

I was really shocked...then in the evening after my meditation I

sat and concentrated on this incident....and everything became

clear. That man was reading from my web-page, which i had given

him...all the visions etc and was telling them to me saying that he

was seeing them. He was simply using me for getting more and more

orders. I calculated, he had increased his business 200% by this

trick...

 

and I was happy that my sadhna is helping a person.

 

This incident showed to me that positive energies are soft,

compassionate and are easily moved by others problems

 

Negative energies are strong, piercing, manipulating and

ruthless...and they use positivity for their benefit.

 

We need a lot of protection from such manipulating energies till we

are very high on the path.

 

What do you think ???

 

AUM

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, " Aum " <beirut_ka_baba wrote:

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> , " janfarah_strongspirit "

> <janfarah_strongspirit@> wrote:

>

> My Dear strong-spirit

>

> It is not necessarily our ego which forces us to do

> charity...sometimes we are really serious without ego to help

> someone out of love and compassion....but the other party being a

> strong negative force... in fact plays with us.

>

>

> What do you think ???

>

> AUM

>

 

Dearest Aum

 

This is an interesting story, but there are elements in your post

that I agree with & elements that I would like to give feedback on.

 

I agree that positive energy is softer than negative - bright like

sunlight & very giving & sharing to others regardless of any gains

for the ego. This is why a positive spirit must be a strong spirit

indeed! Otherwise the negative energies will feed off you like

mosquitoes sucking your blood.

 

But 'giving' to me, is giving regardless of anything whatsoever

coming back. I dont want the favour returned, I dont want you to keep

a check on how many times I help you, I dont even need a thankyou.

Once its given, its forgotten.

 

The relationship you had with the businessman - dearest Aum, do you

not think it was set up in such a way that he was feeding your ego?

Yes, he was a negative energy - but you said you increased his orders

by 200% - it sounds like an 'exchange' was going on to me - " I feed

you with more orders & you feed my ego... " Surely this kind

of 'giving' must be avoided as it is surely something else in

disguise...

 

What do you think dear Aum?

 

With much love

 

Farah

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Yess dear Farah, this is the point i wished to convey. Now I can

see that it was feeding of ego...but then ? when it was happening?

 

Then it did not look like feeding the ego-- i was thinking i am

helping that person spiritually and economically both... and i was

doing it as a noble cause...thinking this is what god wants... and

at that time i did not want any thanks or gratitudes...and i often

told him god is helping you through me... what a noble feeling !!!

 

But on awakening, i could see it clearly as a game of my own

ego..and play of his manipulative energies.

 

When it happens with us...most of the times we dont recognise when

it is happening....only afterwards we know

 

also in other's case we can see the game of ego..not in our own

case...this is how mind works.

 

So after that incidents (and 3 more like that)... i learnt that even

the noble thoughts of compassion and love are sometimes our ego

playing tricks or the other's energies manipulating our emotions.

 

SO Now i do not teach anyone how to catch a fish... if someone comes

to me hungry...i just give him fish to eat and forget ....LOL

 

As you beautifully wrote a great thing in yr older post... if there

is a chapter in his life, i dont wish to be a part of that chapter "

 

AUM

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Revered Shantnuji, Humble Obeisances! Your point is correct. We help others or

God gets such tasks done through us and it satisfies our ego. This ego is Satvik

/ pious one and we must develop it, as it is not harmful. We should aspire to be

the best devotee / sadhaka by helping others. Heartful regards.

 

 

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Revered Farah ji, Humble obeisances! It makes no difference whether we feel or

don't. Directly or indirectly, knowlingly or unknowingly it happens. Dormant Ego

is satisfied and it is real sublimation of this pious ego. It is turned in right

direction as desired by God. It is his direction and the whole credit goes to

him. He uses us as instrument in his hand and we are doing instrumentsl

devotion. In my earlier post, date forgotten, I have said that at the end of

day, when we retire to bed, just within one minute we should submit all

activities of the day to God. " Oh God! whatever is done by me bodily, mindly,

intellectually, vocally, physically, knowingly, unknowingly, purposely, without

any purpose, all and all is submitted to your lotus feet. Kindly accept and

forgive me for my faults. " Here the ego, we are talking about its satisfaction,

is automatically and daily sublimed. Just do actions with pure and pious mind

and submit it to Him. Heartful Regards.

 

 

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Revered Anusuya ji, Humble Obeisances! The intention of Revered Aum is not like

that. We should not desire or try to mend others means we should not take

wholehearted initiative. " OK follow me I'll guide you, I'll tell you, i'll do it

for you. and so on.. " Whenever a real needy one humbly approaches and begs for

help earnestly, do help as per your capacity considering the contingency, of

course previous acquittance with such person is must. If not possible, we can

direct such one to any able person. If we start taking initiative, our sadhana

becomes slow because of diversion of mind. Heartful regards.

 

 

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> by 200% - it sounds like an 'exchange' was going on to me - " I feed

> you with more orders & you feed my ego... " Surely this kind

> of 'giving' must be avoided as it is surely something else in

> disguise...

 

 

Its very easy to see the fault of others, the ego of others. This is

how ego/mind works- it always looks outside to others, to the outside

world, never inside.

 

Babaji is very brave to accept his mistakes, & the lessons he learnt

from them- his is hard earned wisdom- not stuff he read in books. If his

wisdom effects us, it becomes our wisdom, else it remains information,

the sort of easily found in books.

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, keshav daund <keshav_daund wrote:

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> Revered Anusuya ji, Humble Obeisances! The intention of Revered Aum

Thanks respected Keshav ji,

 

This is what i meant. if a begger comes to us we give him alms, but

we dont go out searching beggers to make them rich.

 

any desire to change anybody's life is ego's demand. If god wishes so

he will do it without our egoistic help

 

Aum

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, shanracer <no_reply wrote:

>

>

> Babaji is very brave to accept his mistakes, & the lessons he learnt

> from them- his is hard earned wisdom- not stuff he read in books. If

his

> wisdom effects us, it becomes our wisdom, else it remains information,

> the sort of easily found in books.

>

 

Dear brother

 

I agree wholeheartedly & I have learnt so much from the wisdom &

openness of this man. He is brave & wise indeed. It is also true that

it is easier to see someone else's predicament when we are an outsider.

But also true that others are mirrors for ourself - so when I see

something in you, I also acknowledge it in me. I may see your flaws,

but they are also mine.

 

With love

 

Farah