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Namaste!

 

In the Mahabharat, only 3 people heard Gita live- Arjun, Sanjay, &

through him Dhritrashtra.

 

Arjun got Moksha, but why did it have no effect on Dhritrashtra ?

 

Also, does anyone know what happened to Sanjay- did he become enlightened?

 

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Shantnu

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, shanracer <no_reply wrote:

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> Namaste!

>

> In the Mahabharat, only 3 people heard Gita live- Arjun, Sanjay, &

> through him Dhritrashtra.

>

> Arjun got Moksha, but why did it have no effect on Dhritrashtra ?

>

> Also, does anyone know what happened to Sanjay- did he become

enlightened?

>

> love

> Shantnu

>

 

 

As far as I know Arjuna also did not get Moksha...he went to

heaven with other pandavas....donno i may be wrong

 

Dhritrashtra & sanjay did not actually see the Viraat swarup of

shri Krishna. Sanjay had lot of love for krishna, that would have

got him to heaven.

 

Dhritrashtra, did not actually listen to geeta, but just listened to

war scenes.... his future was certainly not bright.

 

aum

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RAM RAM

 

 

> In the Mahabharat, only 3 people heard Gita live- Arjun, Sanjay, &

> through him Dhritrashtra.

>

> Arjun got Moksha, but why did it have no effect on Dhritrashtra ?

>

> Also, does anyone know what happened to Sanjay- did he become

enlightened?

>

 

two karam yogi's got moksha in Mahabharatha

 

1. Angraj Karna

2. Bhisham Pitameh

 

Arjuna learned the concepts of karam yog in war , that time Karna

and Bhisham Pitameh were at the fianl stage of the Yoga ie union

with the God. these two were inborn(Kehne ka tatparya janam se hi)

Karam Yogi ie they started yoga from their childhood.

 

HARE KRISHNA ,HARE KRISHNA KRISHNA KRISHNA ,HARE HARE,HARE

RAMA ,HARE RAMA ,RAMA RAMA ,HARE HARE

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, " jitendra kumar " <jtin_ja

wrote:

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> RAM RAM

>

>

> > In the Mahabharat, only 3 people heard Gita live- Arjun, Sanjay,

&

> > through him Dhritrashtra.

> >

> > Arjun got Moksha, but why did it have no effect on Dhritrashtra ?

> >

> > Also, does anyone know what happened to Sanjay- did he become

> enlightened?

> >

>

> two karam yogi's got moksha in Mahabharatha

>

> 1. Angraj Karna

> 2. Bhisham Pitameh

>

> Arjuna learned the concepts of karam yog in war , that time Karna

> and Bhisham Pitameh were at the fianl stage of the Yoga ie union

> with the God. these two were inborn(Kehne ka tatparya janam se hi)

> Karam Yogi ie they started yoga from their childhood.

 

 

it is true that Arjuna was not aware with the concepts of the Yoga

before hearing the Srimad Bhagwad Geeta from God directly . before

that He was having attachment with relatives that how can i fight

with Bhism Pitameh , Guru ,................. the Lord said that "

Hey Paarth tumhein is asamay main moh kahan se prapt hua "

 

but my Sir's one thing i could not understand as pointed out by

Shantanu Sir and Senthil Sir that why the Lord Himself supported

Arjuna for everything . and what happened to Arjuna after the war .

because i have not read anything after the war .

 

secondaly the Lord showed His virat swaroop to Arjuna and Sanjay

only though may be to someone else too . Parmatma to usi ke

samaksha sakshat roop se darsan dete hain jo moksha ke yogya hota

hai "

>

How Arjuna was died ,.................could someone tell me

reference for the life of Pandavas after the war .

 

Though Lord himself said that only one person is responsible for the

war and everything that is Dhritrastra because He was the King and

all the decisions were taken by the King , ie the king could stop

everything .

 

Vidur had seen the Virat Swaroop of the God or not . If He had not

quitted the job ,then He could had seen the Virat Swaroop of the God

surely.

 

could you please add something ..............................

 

HARE KRISHNA ,HARE KRISHNA ,KRISHNA KRISHNA ,HARE HARE,HARE

RAMA ,HARE RAMA , RAMA RAMA,HARE HARE

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, " jitendra kumar " <jtin_ja wrote:

 

Dear Jitendra,

 

Namaste!

 

According to what i know little of mahabharata Krishna tells Arjuna

to take care of the older and women folk and move them towards the

city and krishna leaves. Arjuna with all his pride as Dhanurveer

leads the group and on the way somewhere near kathiawad modern

Gujerat the dacoits attack and Arjuna with all his bravado and

Gandeeva Dhanush could not protect and save the group. I think all

were killed accept Arjuna and he is rendered unconscious by the blow

of one of the dacoits. When he regains consciousness he feels so

weak and helpless and keeps wondering what happened to all his

strength and power and that time krishna comes and tells him that

everything has a time duration and that all his strength has gone

and he has become old and should retire to forest. He then reaches

the city and meets his other brothers. They discuss amongst

themselves and decide to go in human form to Swarga - heaven. As

they are leaving towards himalayas Yuddhistra leads the pack

accompanied by a dog,

followed by Bheema then Arjuna then Draupadi followed by Nakul and

Sahadev. As they are walking towards the steep ravines in the

himalayas Draupadi falls down dead but no body bothers and continue

walking at which Bheema screams and asks Yuddhistra why she died

and he replies she was partial to Arjuna. They walk further and

then Nakul (I think) dies and again Bheema ask and is told that

Nakul was proud of his profession i.e. tending of the horses and

cattles, then Sahadev collapses and again Bheema screams while all

continuing to tread the path and Yuddhistra says he was also proud

of his looks and his knowledge of Astrology (I think), Further

walking then Arjuna collapses and again Bheema asks and Yuddhistra

says Arjuna was proud of his Dhanur Vidya and then Bheema and

Yuddhistra continue walking along with the dog when Bheema senses

he is going to die and wants to know why he is dying and Yuddhistra

without looking back says you were greedy for food that is why you

are dying. Yuddhistra along with the dog continues and then Astral

ruler comes in person to take Yuddhistra in physical body but he puts

condition that his dog also be allowed which is refused by the astral

ruler to which Yuddhistra refuses to accompany the astral being

(ruler) to the heaven and then suddenly the dog turns into Yama Raj

and blesses Yuddhistra for his steadfastness in sticking to Dharma

principles and the three move towards heaven and there a shocking

site awaits him. He sees all Kauravas enjoying in heaven while none

of his brothers are there and when told they are in hell he prefers

to move there then be in heaven and again he is blessed for his

Dharma principles. There is still plenty to go but i remember upto

this only.

 

Hope this will wet your appetite to know what happened after the war.

 

With warm wishes

 

Sudhakar

HARI OM TAT SAT Cheers! :o)

> How Arjuna was died ,.................could someone tell me

> reference for the life of Pandavas after the war .

>

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, " spbyoga9 " <spbyoga9 wrote:

.. He sees all Kauravas enjoying in heaven while none

> of his brothers are there and when told they are in hell he prefers

> to move there then be in heaven and again he is blessed for his

>

Thanks Sudhakarji, this is correctly the story of end journey of

Pandavas. But will you please elaborate the last portion... why

kauravas were in heaven and pandavas in hell ??

 

Aum

 

ansuyaji.. we are listening.. i will soon reply to your question.

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> Pandavas. But will you please elaborate the last portion... why

> kauravas were in heaven and pandavas in hell ??

 

 

I think this was another test-he was given option of living in heaven

forever with Kauravs, but he refused, saying that such a place would

be hell itself.

 

Then he found out that Kauravs had been allowed 1 day in heaven for

few good deeds they had one(also, Karna had asked for a boon that

everyone who died in Mahabharat would goto heaven- which Krishna gave

him, but not forver).

 

Pandavs had to live in hell for 1 day for few sins they had done.

 

After Yudhistras decision, Pandavs were sent to heaven, & Kauravs to hell.

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, shanracer <no_reply wrote:

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> > Pandavas. But will you please elaborate the last portion...

 

Dear Aumji,

 

Namaste!

 

After Shantanuji's reply i need not answer your question as he

has explained everything. Why Yuddhistra had to see hell for a

short time because of the lie that Ashwatama man or elephant is

dead. For saying this he had a glimpse of hell they say further

after this episode of telling Dronacharya Yuddhistra's chariot which

was always moving few inches above the earth because he was a

truthful person started touching the earth because of this half lie.

 

With warm wishes,

Sudhakar

HARI OM TAT SAT! Cheers! :o)

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, " spbyoga9 " <spbyoga9 wrote:

> after this episode of telling Dronacharya Yuddhistra's chariot which

> was always moving few inches above the earth because he was a

> truthful person started touching the earth because of this half lie.

 

 

thanks shanracer and sudhakar, it clears many things. I sometimes

surprise as to why Arjuna did not get Moksha and had to be satisfied

with heaven. Arjuna had seen the Viraat Swarup of god...and after

seeing the Truth... one is free from any illusions...and thus moves on

to Moksha... But this did not happen with Arjuna, the dearest friend

and lover of Krishna...not getting Moksha is not a little bit

surprising ??

 

Do you have some explanation for this....

 

 

Aum

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RAM RAM

 

Thanks to all for beautifull answers for the life of the pandavas

after the war.

 

why Pandavas refused to live in heaven . if you say because of

Kauravas ,it means they were hating with kauravas . why .

 

i think pandavas were not like that ,and after Mahabharat they might

be of the yogic in nature and yoga does not allow to hate

someone .there is nothing to hate in this world , as everything is the

God.

 

 

Karna lost the feeling of hate with Arjun when Lord Sri Krishna said

that they are your brothers. Karna said to the Lord Sri Krishna Why

you have snached my hate for pandavas now when i am going to fight in

the war .how i will fight with Pandavas . still He said that i will

fight for the sake of friendship Dharma without pain and pleasure.even

if the God will say to me that " Karna do not fight " then also i will

not obey the order of the God.

 

or what was the problem with pandavas to live in heaven . please

express your views.

 

and why you could not see Maan Draupadi there in heaven . also you

could not see Vidur there . Karna might be there to welcome and for

meeting pandavas for some time , there is no doubt in it . because He

was free to move anywhere .

 

 

HARE KRISHNA ,HARE KRISHNA ,KRISHNA KRISHNA ,HARE HARE,HARE RAMA ,HARE

RAMA ,RAMA RAMA ,HARE HARE

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> to Moksha... But this did not happen with Arjuna, the dearest friend

> and lover of Krishna...not getting Moksha is not a little bit

> surprising ??

> Do you have some explanation for this....

 

I think that even after living with Krishna, Arjun never really became

fully Divine. The Pandavas were Sattwic in nature, but Satogun leads

one to heaven, not Moksha. For Moksha, one has to go beyond the gunas

& prakriti, & live in the pure spirit- Brahm, Shiv or Narayan.

 

In the whole of Mahabharat, no one really lived perfectly except for

Krishna. Bhishm & Vidur came close, thats why they could see viraat

form of Krishna. Arjuna needed Krishnas help to see that, which shows

he wasnt that advanced.

 

It also shows that just being close to God isnt enough, one still has

to do the work to get moksha.

 

love

shantnu

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