Guest guest Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 Yes,it is easier to understand the world as false than experience the Truth,because,the material world - para - can be understood by using the methodology adopted by modern science to study the matter such as so called logic and reason and come to conclusion that the world is illusory. Whereas the spiritual - para - can not be experienced by using the same methodology, it has to be wholly non- rational/intuitive/wholesomely experiential ( jnanam vijnana sahitam / knowledge with experience or wisdom ) and what is more,it is not 'knowing' in the usual sense of the term,here,knowing is becoming,one has to become that to experience it - Brahmavid Brahmaiva bhavati / know Brahman is to be Brahman ! , so hum <jigyaasuu wrote: > > dear all sadhaks, > > i have one question for discussion, hope you would participate > > for a sadhak it is comparatively easy to experience and understand that this world is a myth than to experience the supreme truth i.e. vasudev sarvam > > why? > > hari om > > > > Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a click away. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 Dear Sadhaks I have of late been attending Sathsangs of Brahmakumaris. I have come to differentiate between the " unreal " body and the " real " soul. I have not become perfect but now I am learning that it`s possible to stay detached from materials without going to forests/Himalayas The method is mere tution and collective meditation. It may take some more time but I am optimistic to learn the difference in toto .. May this type of teaching help all. yours sincerely ijswamy " Dr.M.S.Thimmappa,PhD " <thimmappams wrote: Yes,it is easier to understand the world as false than experience the Truth,because,the material world - para - can be understood by using the methodology adopted by modern science to study the matter such as so called logic and reason and come to conclusion that the world is illusory. Whereas the spiritual - para - can not be experienced by using the same methodology, it has to be wholly non- rational/intuitive/wholesomely experiential ( jnanam vijnana sahitam / knowledge with experience or wisdom ) and what is more,it is not 'knowing' in the usual sense of the term,here,knowing is becoming,one has to become that to experience it - Brahmavid Brahmaiva bhavati / know Brahman is to be Brahman ! , so hum <jigyaasuu wrote: > > dear all sadhaks, > > i have one question for discussion, hope you would participate > > for a sadhak it is comparatively easy to experience and understand that this world is a myth than to experience the supreme truth i.e. vasudev sarvam > > why? > > hari om > > > > Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a click away. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 , " Dr.M.S.Thimmappa,PhD " I am resending with one correction,it should be apara in place of para,unnoticed error is regreted. <thimmappams wrote: > > Yes,it is easier to understand the world as false than experience the > Truth,because,the material world - apara - can be understood by using > the methodology adopted by modern science to study the matter such as > so called logic and reason and come to conclusion that the world is > illusory. Whereas the spiritual - para - can not be experienced by > using the same methodology, it has to be wholly non- > rational/intuitive/wholesomely experiential ( jnanam vijnana > sahitam / knowledge with experience or wisdom ) and what is more,it > is not 'knowing' in the usual sense of the term,here,knowing is > becoming,one has to become that to experience it - Brahmavid > Brahmaiva bhavati / know Brahman is to be Brahman ! M.S.Thimmappa > > > > > , so hum <jigyaasuu@> wrote: > > > > dear all sadhaks, > > > > i have one question for discussion, hope you would participate > > > > for a sadhak it is comparatively easy to experience and > understand that this world is a myth than to experience the supreme > truth i.e. vasudev sarvam > > > > why? > > > > hari om > > > > > > > > Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a click away. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 , so hum <jigyaasuu wrote: > > dear all sadhaks, > > i have one question for discussion, hope you would participate > > for a sadhak it is comparatively easy to experience and understand that this world is a myth than to experience the supreme truth i.e. vasudev sarvam > > why? > > hari om > I think these two situations (realizing world as Maya and experiencing the Suprme) are two sides of the same coin. By achieving one we get the other automatically Jai Gurudev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 Jai Gurudevji has illumined us splendidly.At least it hit me like a thunderbolt! If we really realise experientially that world is maya we are automatically in the spiritual.Great! Thanks and pranamam Guruji. , pradeep8_56 <no_reply wrote: > > , so hum jigyaasuu@ wrote: > > > > dear all sadhaks, > > > > i have one question for discussion, hope you would participate > > > > for a sadhak it is comparatively easy to experience and understand > that this world is a myth than to experience the supreme truth i.e. > vasudev sarvam > > > > why? > > > > hari om > > > I think these two situations (realizing world as Maya and experiencing > the Suprme) are two sides of the same coin. By achieving one we get > the other automatically > > Jai Gurudev > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2008 Report Share Posted March 1, 2008 dear pradeep ji, thats what my question was: these two things are not two sides of same coin. As realising maya is comparatively easier to understand and experience than to experience the supreme. If a sadhak realize this universe as maya it cannot be a truth to say that he has experience the supreme. is not it? pradeep8_56 <no_reply > wrote: , so hum <jigyaasuu wrote: > > dear all sadhaks, > > i have one question for discussion, hope you would participate > > for a sadhak it is comparatively easy to experience and understand that this world is a myth than to experience the supreme truth i.e. vasudev sarvam > > why? > > hari om > I think these two situations (realizing world as Maya and experiencing the Suprme) are two sides of the same coin. By achieving one we get the other automatically Jai Gurudev Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2008 Report Share Posted March 1, 2008 Dr Thinnappa and pradeep ji, thanks for sharing knowledge but still i think experiencing this world as maya is just able to experience the spirituality but not the super truth. plz enlighten Recent Activity 1 New Members Visit Your Group Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. Special K Challenge Join others who are losing pounds. Popular Y! Groups Is your group one? Check it out and see. . Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Click here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2008 Report Share Posted March 1, 2008 It is true that it is not enough to realize that this world is mithya or illusion to realize the ultimate Truth. Let us look at an analogy in this connection. Often, the vedantins liken the God and nature to Bimba and pratibimba- the object and its image. When you see the moon in water and realize that it is not real moon that you are seeing would not be sufficient to realize the true nature of the moon . On the other hand, that you have realized that what you are seeing is unreal will propel your thoughts and energies to raise your head and look at the real moon. Thus realizing that this world is unreal will only help you start a new quest for the ultimate reality. This is very clear in BS, which starts with the sutra " athato brahma jijnasa' - After you are infested with a quest for the Brahman, the reality. Unless you have realized that this world is mere illusion, you would not be craving to look at the ultimate reality, which is sadhana all about. Hope that helps, Kishore patnaik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2008 Report Share Posted March 1, 2008 Dear Sir, I feel sprituality is a firm foundation on which ' super truth ' gets realised and hence,don't you think that the right track is established and one is bound to get there.Total/true experiencing of matter as maya exposes not only the myth of matter but its truth hidden in it as well! Regards, M.S.Thimmappa. , so hum <jigyaasuu wrote: > > Dr Thinnappa and pradeep ji, > thanks for sharing knowledge but still i think experiencing this world as maya is just able to experience the spirituality but not the super truth. plz enlighten > > > > > Recent Activity > > 1 > New Members > > Visit Your Group > Finance > It's Now Personal > Guides, news, > advice & more. > > > Special K Challenge > Join others who > are losing pounds. > > Popular Y! Groups > Is your group one? > Check it out and > see. > > > > . > > Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Click here > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 yes dr. thimmappa " TOTAL & TRUE " experience of maya could lead to experience of super truth. we cannot say we have experienced this maya totally and truly. thnks and regards Why delete messages? Unlimited storage is just a click away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 Dear Sadhaks , I meditated a lot on how recognising maya equals attaining the true spiritual realm. If we see but do not visualise,hear but do not listen to,touch but do not feel,smell and taste but do not relish, our mind stops perceiving the material quality of this worldly issues That means we know the world as maya . That takes us very near the realm of divinity. ijswamy so hum <jigyaasuu wrote: Dr Thinnappa and pradeep ji, thanks for sharing knowledge but still i think experiencing this world as maya is just able to experience the spirituality but not the super truth. plz enlighten Recent Activity 1 New Members Visit Your Group Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. Special K Challenge Join others who are losing pounds. Popular Y! Groups Is your group one? Check it out and see. .. Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Click here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2008 Report Share Posted March 2, 2008 yes swamy ji we b'coz of our sense organs percieve this world and that is maya. and you say if perception is not interpretd as it is usually done by all human beings, than we can cease perceiving and reality will be witnessed. swamy ji, donot you think by virtue of all thesesense organs we become capable to spiritual and it helps also to experience the supreme truth....if not directly...still indirectly..? " J.SWAMY IRAGAVARAPU " <jiragavarapu wrote: Dear Sadhaks , I meditated a lot on how recognising maya equals attaining the true spiritual realm. If we see but do not visualise,hear but do not listen to,touch but do not feel,smell and taste but do not relish, our mind stops perceiving the material quality of this worldly issues That means we know the world as maya . That takes us very near the realm of divinity. ijswamy so hum <jigyaasuu wrote: Dr Thinnappa and pradeep ji, thanks for sharing knowledge but still i think experiencing this world as maya is just able to experience the spirituality but not the super truth. plz enlighten Recent Activity 1 New Members Visit Your Group Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. Special K Challenge Join others who are losing pounds. Popular Y! Groups Is your group one? Check it out and see. ... Did you know? You can CHAT without downloading messenger. Click here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 HARE KRISHNA ,HARE RAMA > i have one question for discussion, hope you would participate > > for a sadhak it is comparatively easy to experience and understand that this world is a myth than to experience the supreme truth i.e. vasudev sarvam > i think there is no question of easy of difficult for " experience and understand that this world is myth " . because it is also one part of the superme truth that this world is myth. and once you will realising this truth ..your journey would start in the direction of spiritualism .... though not necessary that you will continue this journey because of the free will .... Shantanu Sir ji ... where are you . NOT SEEN SINCE LONG ON THIS SITE . WHAT HAPPENED HARE KRISHNA ,HARE KRISHNA ,KRISHNA KRISHNA ,HARE HARE ,HARE RAMA ,HARE RAMA ,RAMA RAMA ,HARE HARE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2008 Report Share Posted March 3, 2008 , so hum <jigyaasuu wrote: > Dear So Hum That's what I think. May be I am wrong. But until now this my view and is open to change if I am convinced otherwise. Jai Gurudev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 NO SIR YOU ARE NOT WRONG ANY WAY. AND ALSO NO NEED TO CHANGE YOUR VIEWS, WHICH SHOWS LIGHT TO THOSE HAVING LITTILE KNOWLEDGE pradeep8_56 <no_reply > wrote: , so hum <jigyaasuu wrote: > Dear So Hum That's what I think. May be I am wrong. But until now this my view and is open to change if I am convinced otherwise. Jai Gurudev Meet people who discuss and share your passions. Join them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 I advise you to read a chapter of Sri Aurobindo's " The Life Divine. " It is called " Reality and the Cosmic Illusion. " He discusses the reality of the world and deconstructs the Maya of Shankara. The only illusion is our individual selves because in the end, all is in us and we are in all, for all is Brahman. As Aurobindo proclaimed, " A theory of Maya in the sense of illusion or the unreality of cosmic existence creates more difficulties than it solves; it does not really solve the problem of existence, but rather renders it for ever insoluble. " (pg. 485) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2008 Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 Here are two answers. I hope they help. J'ai namah shivay'aum One: The sadhaka chooses to find that experience which is not full of misery and limited; so, the sadhaka experiences all things of misery and limitation until they become exhausted. At that point, the sadhaka is then able to see all of that which is unlimited. After experiencing the limited and unlimited the sadhaka merges into all experiences and the false self of the ego is dissolved into nothingness, where it has always been. Two: We must know that what is around us is illusionary before experiencing Shiva, because until we understand that this world is false, we will still be lost in the dark with our eyes closed. To understand maya is to open our eyes. After we open our eyes then we can see the light (i.e. experience mukti). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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