How do we know we are on right path?

July 18, 2008

, " M.S.Thimmappa. " <thimmappams wrote:

>

> Dear Venkatji,

>

> Happy to 'see' you after a long time! I agree with you that

Thimmappaji, in modern times, Sri Aurobindo, Kapali Shastry, Ganapati

Muni, & Dr David Frawley have interpreted the Vedas in ways which are

not ritualistic or sectarian. They have shown the hidden meaning of

Vedic versesm like Agni is the Power of conciousness, Indra is the

Divine Mind etc.

Aurobindos " Secret of the Vedas " is one of his greatest books & which

every Hindu shouls read. Also nice is " Wisdom of the Ancient Seers " by

Dr David Frawley. Both these books are easily available.

with love

shantnu

July 18, 2008

Dear Shantnuji,

Thanks for suggesting books on some modern rendering of Vedas. I had

read Swami Dayananda Saraswati ( of Arya Samaja fame) and was bowled

over by his narration. I have not seen Aurobindo's Secret of Vedas

which you recommend highly, although I have read a few other writings

of him. I will certainly go through the ones you have suggested.

Regards,

M.S.Thimmappa.

, shanracer <no_reply wrote:

> Thimmappaji, in modern times, Sri Aurobindo, Kapali Shastry,

July 18, 2008

Like everything else about life, trajectory and velocity are important.

Sometimes when you reach a low point and realize the futility of your

ways, your subsequent devotion and effort will take you far beyond a

similar person thats just putting in a mediocre effort. We can look to

the story of angulimala (the reformed criminal who came under Buddha's

sway). The same determination and effort that he put into robbery,

caused him to become an enlightened soul.

But, if your question is whether we should deliberately embrace the

wrong path, I think the answer is a resounding NO. The Karma associated

with evil deeds is hard to wash off, the Karma associated with evil

deeds that are clinically performed with full intent and knowledge is

10 times harder. Secondly not every criminal becomes enlightened. Most

take thousands of lifetimes to work their way up.

If your question was about the wrong spiritual path, I don't think any

spiritual path is 'wrong' as such, but its possible that some paths may

not be right for you. Exploration of alternative spiritual paths is

probably beneficial, as long as you don't spend years flitting from

path to path. I like to think of it in terms of travelling. Once a year

its nice to travel to a hill station. If you travel every week to

various corners of the country, it becomes tiresome and counter-

productive.

I think its important at the start of every day to spend 15 minutes

planning the day. Your frame of mind should be if I were to die

tonight, what would I do? Review your activities at the end of the day

as well. This should over time build an attitude of continuous

improvement. Ultimately, if you improve by 100m every day, you will

have improved 3.5Km in one year. I think this attitude improves

trajectory and velocity better than taking the wrong path.

Btw, my job makes it neccessary for me to be confident and outspoken.

That attitude comes out in my writing:). I'd love to hear the rest of

your thoughts, with stories and more about the science of spirituality

if possible:).

Rgds

, " janfarah_strongspirit "

<janfarah_strongspirit wrote:

>

> Dear Sadhakas

>

> I was thinking about this recently. In the long run, do you think it

> can be beneficial to spend some time on the 'wrong path?'

>

> With love

>

> Farah

>

July 18, 2008

Dear sadhakas,

Beautifull explanations shanji and thanks to Aum and Jitenderji and

everyone.

Aum, In the topic " obstacles in sadhna " , You have said about the

goutami story. In ancients days some people have use their power to

block the fate by following the words " fate can be win by our

intellegence "

While people does this, does this mean that this is adharmic? coz

nature force to them to die or give some trouble due to their karma.

When we block this doesn't mean that we behaved adharmic?

Sarvamaatha.

July 19, 2008

, sarvamaatha <no_reply wrote:

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> While people does this, does this mean that this is adharmic? coz

> nature force to them to die or give some trouble due to their karma.

> When we block this doesn't mean that we behaved adharmic?

Sarvamaathaji, people who have the power to change the forces of Karma

also have the intuitive intelligence to know when to do it: The system

has inbuilt safeguards to prevent misuse by anyone.

People who can affect the forces of Karma are usually gone beyond the

logical mind & the egoistical thinking. These people function from

Pure intuition(Pragya), & only perform those actions which are in

harmony with the Divine Will.

with love

Shantnu

July 21, 2008

, " jitendra kumar " <jtin_ja wrote:

> and Hence Sir ji if Sri Ramanujacharya and Lord Gautam Budhha had

> surrendered his Pati Dharma to the God and than they started Sadhana

.. AND THIS QUESTION IS VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION .

>

Dear Jitinder, The first thing is that what I said is about a common

sadhaka, and not those higher souls, who came to the world for

teaching millions of people.

Secondly, i can not question Budhha for leaving his family and child,

as i am too small a sadhaka before him, even if I do not approve of

his action.

In Mahabharat, Krishna told Arjuna to leave all Dharma & Karma to

him. No where did Krishna say that leave the battle field or leave

the brothers or Draupadi...and run away to some temple in jungles and

worship him.

What Krishna actually means is that leave the ego that you are doing

the karma and following a dharma... think that All is done by krishna

BUT do not leave anything... only place the results to god's disposle.

Shri Krishna Nowhere suggested to run away from responsiblities or

wars or be inactive even for a moment.

Shri Krishna also told that if he stop doing karma even for a

minute the whole nature will drown into death....so he does karma but

he is unattached to those karmas.

Shri Aurobindo has commented on Buddha like this " Siddharth left

his family and went out in search of truth...had he seen Mother shakti

and little Krishna at home, he would have got Moksha there and then.

There was no need to waste time in penance in jungles. "

Love

Aum

July 21, 2008

, sarvamaatha <no_reply wrote:

> Aum, In the topic " obstacles in sadhna " , You have said about the

> goutami story. In ancients days some people have use their power

to

> block the fate by following the words " fate can be win by our

> intellegence "

No .....

fate or the results of Karma( this life or last lives) can not be

destroyed and one has to face the results even if he has reached

very high on spiritual path.

Like Bhishma he was such a great soul still he had to undergo pains

of arrows before death due to his last birth's karmas.

The only way to get rid of old karma is to be established in Sakshi

Bhava by Nirvikalapa samadhi, by which all the old karmas, be it

good or bad are burnt.

The other longer way is Pranayama and correct meditation technique,

which weakens the old bad karmas and kill them slow death...still

while dying they give little pains in dreams or some illnesses.

Love

Aum

July 21, 2008

, aumji <no_reply wrote:

Dear Aumji,

Namaste!

That was appropriate explanation to Jeetu Bhai's question. Now

my question is, you quote Aurobindo, stating, " had he seen mother

shakti and little krishna at home, he would have got moksha there

and then " .

Does this sentence refer symbolically to Buddha's wife and kid?

If so, when Buddha left, his wife was pregnant and no child was

born then. Could you please clarify a bit more on this please?

Thanks

With warm wishes,

Sudhakar

HARI OM TAT SAT! Cheers! )

July 21, 2008

Repected sudhakar ji,

yes it may be symbolical or perhaps Aurobindo meant that sidhartha

should have known his coming chind as krishna and wife as shakti.

My limitation is that i can not comment on Aurobindo nor on

Buddha... because i am not even a spec of dust on their feet...so just

inferencing

Aum

July 21, 2008

HARE KRISHAN ,HARE RAM

THANKS SIR JI

> Shri Krishna also told that if he stop doing karma even for a

> minute the whole nature will drown into death....so he does karma

but

> he is unattached to those karmas.

BUT DO THE LORD SRI KRISHAN ( NOT AVATAR ) ALSO FIGHTS WITH SOMEONE ,

HOW .

HARE KRISHAN ,HARE KRISHAN ,KRISHAN KRISHAN ,HARE HARE ,HARE RAM ,HARE

RAM , RAM RAM ,HARE HARE

July 21, 2008

, " jitendra kumar " <jtin_ja wrote:

>

> BUT DO THE LORD SRI KRISHAN ( NOT AVATAR ) ALSO FIGHTS WITH SOMEONE ,

> HOW .

Jitendarji, Krishna was called the Maha Yogi, the Great Yogi, the

greatest of all Yogis. He could fight, kill, dance with girls, yet he

was free from all Karma. Like Aumji has written, Krishna identified

himself not with the physical body only, but Ishwar(as

Creator-Preserver-Destroyer of the World), & also as the unmanifest

Spirit- Brahm.

As such, he was not bound by any Law- Karmic, spiritual or Shastric.

Like he says " I have nothing to gain in the 3 worlds, yet I work " .

Since he was not bound, he could act as he wished, or rather, act the

way that would best be suitable for the situation. When violence was

required, he was violent. When negotiations were required, he was a

master negotiator. When running away was required, he was also the

best coward!

Truly Krishna was a great man, one who is born just once. We can never

hope to comprehend, let alone emulate, his actions.

with love

Shantnu

July 22, 2008

OM NAMO NARAYANAYA

Venerable Sadhaks , When we are talking and discussing about " how do we know we

are on right path? " Arabindoji,Buddha,Krishna and Rama ( named in alphabetical

order only) can not be drawn into the discussion. This is because they are not

like ordinary mortals like " me " who need " my " clarification whether they

followed the right path or not.

These greatest souls SHOWED US ALL A SEPARATE PATH EACH that we try to emulate

with limited success.Can " I " leave " my " family even now ie after showing enough

financial and other security to family members? No . Now " I " have become a child

like helpless person needing constant attention.God is doing a marvelous duty of

looking after " me " where ever " I " go . " I " still dare not leave for Himalayas

..At present " I " can go on a pilgrimage to hill stations for brief periods. " I "

go and ego also goes along.

Going to Himalayas is not equal to " my " running away from karmic duties. It is

going out of " my " (please see how " I " still use " I " and " my " ) house to learn

about the NATURE and the TRUTH.

A forest,a desert, a lake,a water fall, a rivulet ,a river,an ocean a mountain

and hither to unseen wild life opens " my " mind to BRAHMAN

Great souls (as AUMJI said can give us asylum and refuse as a dust particle on

their feet,) show us a path that most suits us .

One of our AZWARS is known as THONDAR ADI PODI (particle on the feet of sages)

AZWAR.

Typing on a computer here how can " I " ask why did Lord Rama discard his

pregnant wife into forest? If " I " ask " I " become spiritually less than a frog

in a well !

May Lord bless " me " to become more advanced ! Losing ego is " my " most preferred

path.

your co sadhak seeking your guidance

ijswamy