Question-37 - A DIFFICULT QUESTION

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Dear Jitendra,

 

I agree with your point that " kisee kee niswartha bhav se madad karna Paramatma

se bhee prem karna hai " . Niswartha Bhava tab hee ho sakta hai jab uske output se

koi matlab naa ho. Hence " Unconditional help " never analyzes about the

consequences. If there is a doubt in that person's mind, it implies that his

love or his feeling to help that girl is not totally unconditional or selfless.

ONLY GOD HELPS and LOVES ALL OF US UNCONDITIONALLY. WE ARE ALL TRYING TO REACH

THE SAME STATE. But that state is only possible when we go beyond our body, mind

and ego. And this state is only attained jab " .......Paramatma se bhee prem

karna hai " changes to " Paramatma se hee prem karna hai " .

 

HARI OM TAT SAT...MAY ALL REST IN PEACE...

 

Regards,

Prabhat

 

 

--- On Thu, 21/8/08, jitendra kumar <jtin_ja wrote:

 

this question i had asked in messanger many times and in fact

[Guest guest]

HARE KRISHAN , HARE RAM

 

Niswartha Bhava tab hee ho sakta hai jab uske output se koi matlab

naa ho. Hence " Unconditional help " never analyzes about the

consequences.

 

Thanks Sir Ji for in depth explanation of the SELFLESS .

 

 

You are right Sir Ji

 

that the said person in the earlier postings , who was in confusion

for marriage is not slefless because of his own desires , karmic

debts and most importantly fear of losing the path of spirituality

which He has attained with the grace of the God himself .

Please do not take desires in negative sense .

 

But positive thing with Him is that He is also having the desire

to attain the SELFLESS state and for that He is seeking the Strong

Grace of the guidance from the Lord Sri Krishan as said by AUM Sir

Ji, that what path is suitable for His situation .

 

BHAGWAN USKA BHALA KARE

 

HARE KRISHAN , HARE KRISHAN ,KRISHAN KRISHAN ,HARE HARE , HARE

RAM ,HARE RAM ,RAM RAM , HARE HARE

[Guest guest]

Dear Jitendra,

 

Negativity and positivity are the results that emanate from the analysis of the

mind according to the accumulated experience of the Soul and is stored in the

subtle form in the causal body. I don't rate anything as negative neither I rate

anything as positive. Everything is just an expression of GOD Himself. Hence,

kindly don't mistake me. I never took anything in a negative way.

 

With Regards,

Prabhat

 

--- On Mon, 25/8/08, jitendra kumar <jtin_ja wrote:

jitendra kumar <jtin_ja

Thanks Sir Ji for in depth explanation of the SELFLESS .

 

 

 

You are right Sir Ji

 

 

 

that the said person in the earlier postings , who was in confusion

 

for marriage is not slefless because of his own desires , karmic

[Guest guest]

HARE KRISHAN , HARE RAM

 

 

> Negativity and positivity are the results that emanate from the

analysis of the mind according to the accumulated experience of the

Soul and is stored in the subtle form in the causal body. >

 

 

YES THAT IS GREAT , KEEP IT UP

 

 

But what is the truth ,

 

1.

 

negativity and positivity are stored in casual form in subtle body

 

or

 

what you have written as " in subtle form in casual body " .

 

 

 

2.

 

 

why do not you rate anything positive or negative . it means you

think that rating as positive or negative is not the expression of

the God. or what do you think

 

 

HARE KRISHAN , HARE KRISHAN ,KRISHAN KRISHAN ,HARE HARE ,HARE

RAM ,HARE RAM , RAM RAM, HARE HARE

[Guest guest]

Hi Jitender,

 

I meant that they are stored in subtle form in casual body OR the causal body is

a collection of such impressions.

 

For me, nothing is positive niether anything is negative. Everything is just an

expression of GOD. It's our past impressions stored in the causal body that

categorizes that this thing is good/positive or bad/negative. I try to be a

silent OBSERVER, as many great Sadhaks have used the term " Sakshi Bhava "

previously. GOD IS THE PERFECT " SILENT OBSERVER " . HE IS IN AN ETERNAL AND

COMPLETE SAKSHI BHAVA. We are just trying to attain that state.

 

Regards,

Prabhat

 

--- On Tue, 26/8/08, jitendra kumar <jtin_ja wrote:

jitendra kumar <jtin_ja

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HARE KRISHAN , HARE RAM

 

THANKS SIR JI FOR BEAUTIFULL RESPONSE

 

 

> I meant that they are stored in subtle form in casual body OR the

causal body is a collection of such impressions.

 

Sir ji WHAT is the basis of Casual body

 

 

2.

 

> I try to be a silent OBSERVER,

 

 

IS IT SPIRITUAL THAT YOU ARE SITTING LIKE AN OBSERVER WHILE AN

INNOCENT IS BEING TORTURED IN FRONT OF YOU .

 

HARE KRISHAN , HARE KRISHAN , KRISHAN KRISHAN , HARE HARE ,HARE

RAM ,HARE RAM ,RAM RAM ,HARE HARE

[Guest guest]

Hi Jitender,

 

The causal body as the name itself implies is the cause of our human existence.

It stores all our past experiences in human form. More light on it can be thrown

by our respected Sadhaks.

 

As regards to your second question, the question itself denotes that it has

risen from your mind and not from your Soul. OUR SOUL IN ITS PUREST FORM IS

UNAFFECTED BY IT'S SURROUNDINGS. OUR SOUL IN PUREST FORM CAN ONLY BE AN OBSERVER

WITH INFINITE COMPASSION AND LOVE BUT WITHOUT ANY REACTION. SOUL IN PUREST FORM

IS LIKE PARAMATMA (THE SUPREME SOUL). But a Soul in purest form can only be in

Sakshi Bhava. It cannot react to the happenings that is taking outside. In fact,

that state is only reached when you are undisturbed in any situation. Everything

happening outside has it's own cause and effect to the doer and the sufferer.

This thing can be understood only at very advanced levels of our Sadhana. Until

that time, we react to the external events. And most of the time, we only react

to the sufferings of the forms of existence which our senses can perceive, like

human beings and big animals. I would like to tell you that uncountable number

of living

organisms are being killed by us ourselves every second just while we take

breath, thousands of small insects are being killed by us while we walk and

there is a long list of such events occurring daily by us only. Don't those

organisms, small insects suffer because of us. Why don't you react to their

sufferings. The answer is that you cannot. Somethings are better being taken as

things for which nothing can be done. GOD also knows all this. And your Pure

Soul also knows this. THE REAL SOUL UNDERSTANDS THAT IT IS NIETHER A DOER, NOR

THE SUFFERER AND NEITHER THE SUFFERING.

 

BEING SPIRITUAL MEANS BEING YOUR PURE SPIRIT, YOUR SOUL. AND BEING PURE SPIRIT

HAS THE CHARACTERISTICS THAT I DESCRIBED ABOVE.

 

Hari Aum Tat Sat...May all Souls Rest In Peace...

 

With Regards,

Prabhat

 

--- On Tue, 26/8/08, jitendra kumar <jtin_ja wrote:

 

HARE KRISHAN , HARE RAM

THANKS SIR JI FOR BEAUTIFULL RESPONSE

Sir ji WHAT is the basis of Casual body

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, Prabhat Gupta <suprabhat_1999 wrote:

>

> Hi Jitender,

 

Jitendarji, Prabahat has given a good answer, there isnt much to add.

Except that, Sakshi Bhaav usually comes with Cosmic Conciousness- you

identify with the whole universe, where for everyone one person

suffering, there is another enjoying, so the overall effect is the

same. In fact, for the person in Cosmic Conciousness, everyone is

suffering, even those we think are enjoying, as it is only by becoming

one with the spirit can we find any true happiness.

 

> organisms are being killed by us ourselves every second just while

>we take breath, thousands of small insects are being killed by us

>while we walk and there is a long list of such events occurring daily

>by us only. Don't those organisms, small insects suffer because of

 

This is a good point. The difference with one who has Cosmic

Conciousness is that He knows not only who is suffering- plants,

animals, humans, even Devas, but why they are suffering, what steps

they can take to remove that suffering. Sometimes, bearing the pain

maybe a shorter path, as bad karma gets burnt faster. In that case,

the person in Sakshi Bhaav will actually laugh at a person being

tortured, as he can see his bad Karma burning, & good Karma coming up.

Some 3rd person may think the Yogi is very cruel to laugh at someones

misery.

 

We cannot judge how an enlightened person will behave, until we become

enlightened ourself.

 

This touches on another topic we have discussed many times- you cannot

help others till you have reached enlightenment yourself- as how do

you know who is suffering, & who is not? Its better not to spend too

much time about other peoples suffering, but worry about your own

spiritual progress.

 

with love

Shantnu

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, shanracer <no_reply wrote:

 

Dear Shantanuji,

 

Namaste!

 

Well said, Shantanuji - i agree many times its better not to spend

too much time about other peoples suffering but worry about your own

spiritual progress. Ofcourse this does not imply that we should not

help others - it is, just help out and move on.

 

Dear Prabhataji,

 

Namaste!

 

Thanks to you too for your lucid explanation.

 

 

Dear Aumji,

 

Your one line answer on meditation and hypnotism was icing on the

cake with cherry on the top. Thanks.

 

 

 

With warm wishes,

 

Sudhakar

HARI OM TAT SAT! Cheers! )

 

> Jitendarji, Prabahat has given a good answer, there isnt much to

[Guest guest]

HARE KRISHAN , HARE RAM

 

IT IS VERY GOOD THAT YOU HAVE STRONG DESIRE TO BE SPIRITUAL MY DEAR

FRIEND ( I THINK YOU ARE YOUNGER TO ME I AM 33 )

 

THANKS SHANTANU SIR JI , SUDHAKAR SIR JI FOR SATSANG . REALLY IT IS

GREAT WHEN WE GET SO MANY VIEWS FOR THE SAME TOPIC.

 

 

 

OUR SOUL IN ITS PUREST FORM IS UNAFFECTED BY IT'S SURROUNDINGS. OUR

SOUL IN PUREST FORM CAN ONLY BE AN OBSERVER WITH INFINITE COMPASSION

AND LOVE BUT WITHOUT ANY REACTION. SOUL IN PUREST FORM IS LIKE

PARAMATMA (THE SUPREME SOUL).

 

The above state you are talking is TURIA State .

 

and Turia state is for for away from Sakshi Bhav in my opinion .

 

could you please write what exactly do you understand by the

term " SAKSHI BHAV " .

 

How cause and effect law is related with TIME(SAMAY).

 

WHO IS SAMAY OR WHAT IS SAMAY

 

 

HARE KRISHAN ,HARE KRISHAN , KRISHAN KRISHAN , HARE HARE , HARE

RAM ,HARE RAM, RAM RAM ,HARE HARE

[Guest guest]

Jitender jee,

 

Sadar Charan Sparsh...

 

I don't talk in terms of age. Our Soul is ageless, was never born nor shall it

ever die. You might be talking about the age of your physical body in this human

incarnation. I don't talk in those terms. And the _1999 in my email id is the

year in which I created this email address...just for your info...

 

Everyone who has a Soul is Spiritual. Spirituality doesn't come from anywhere

else, it is there in each and every one us. For me, even a murderer is spiritual

and so is a Saint.

 

I am talking about the final state and not intermediate states. What do you

think, GOD is in Turiya State and not in Sakshi Bhava. For me, Turiya State and

Sakshi Bhava are the same, same as the ultimate state in which a Soul can be.

 

As far as I know, cause and effect has no relation with time. If there is some

action, there will be some reaction. And since this process is going on since

infinite time and it will carry on for infinite time, I don't see any relation

of time with the cause and effect process. The only thing that remains constant

is the impact involved.

 

Samay for me is the just the present moment.

 

With Regards,

 

Prabhat

 

--- On Wed, 27/8/08, jitendra kumar <jtin_ja wrote:

jitendra kumar <jtin_ja

Re: Question-37 - A DIFFICULT QUESTION

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HARE KRISHAN , HARE RAM

 

DEAR PRABHAT JI

 

Sadar Charan Sparsh to You too

>

> You said

>> " As far as I know, cause and effect has no relation with time. If

there is some action, there will be some reaction. And since this

process is going on since infinite time and it will carry on for

infinite time, I don't see any relation of time with the cause and

effect process. The only thing that remains constant is the impact

involved. "

 

1.

 

If there is no relation of time with cause and effect than How the

time of life is decided ie time of one life of a human being ,

someone dies at 14 someone at 50 someone at 91 .... what decides the

life span of human being ..............................

 

 

 

 

> Samay for me is the just the present moment.

>

 

2. what do you want to do WITH present . Do you want to make present

as slave or you want to be the slave of the present or something

else whatever ..................

 

but the question is " do the time make us slave or what is the duty

of the time "

 

HARE KRISHAN , HARE KRISHAN , KRISHAN KRISHAN , HARE HARE , HARE

RAM ,HARE RAM ,RAM RAM, HARE HARE

>

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, " jitendra kumar " <jtin_ja wrote:

>> but the question is " do the time make us slave or what is the duty

> of the time "

 

 

Neither time is our slave nor are we slaves of time. Our soul chose

to unfold the universe in the Akash(space), and this gradual unfolding

is called Time.

 

Mahakaal is the controller of the universe and kaal is his smaller

manifestation to unfold the happenings in a sequence, which we call

time.

 

However there are mental planes where Time does not exist...there is

no future no past... everything in present before us.

 

love always

 

Aum

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Jitender ji,

 

Maa Prakriti is helping each Soul move forward on it's journey towards GODhood.

According to the past karmic impressions stored in the causal body , a Soul

takes a life form. Maa Prakriti knows as to how much time will this life form be

useful for that Soul. Once the usefulness of that physical form is over, Maa

Prakriti moves that Soul to another life form. Human life form is considered to

be at a higher level of Conciousness and is considered to be good for spiritual

advancement, although it cannot be rejected that animals and plants too can

progress spiritually (though they might not be that much aware about it). This

is due to the unconditional Seva Bhav in some animals and plants or like an

animal can take birth in such environment that is very much suitable for

spiritual advancement, the examples of such can be like the ducks swimming in

Mansarovar or the minutest insects found in Mansarovar. Plants give their

support for sustaining life on Earth

by releasing life-supporting Oxygen. This is a good example of unconditional

service by the plants. They might be unaware about it, but they are still

progressing, sometimes even more faster than human beings. So, age is immaterial

and is not much under the control of a Soul. But yes, on very advanced spiritual

levels, a Soul can still possess a life form, but in that case, again Maa

Prakriti is helping It to maintain that form as She might conclude that if this

Soul is given this much more time in this life term, It might reach it's final

destination.

 

Time has been given to a Soul to clear off the karmic impressions that is

carrying along with it. If one becomes the slave of time, it's like cruising

along with the flowing river without putting own efforts (something similar to a

log of wood). If one leaves everything on time, spiritual progress is still

there, but at a slow pace as time is not a matter of bother for GOD. GOD is

beyond Time and Space, HE has infinite time. That's why Lord Krishna has

stressed so much on one's own Karmas (don't confuse it with material Karmas).

 

With Regards,

 

Prabhat

 

--- On Thu, 28/8/08, jitendra kumar <jtin_ja wrote:

jitendra kumar <jtin_ja

Re: Question-37 - A DIFFICULT QUESTION

 

Thursday, 28 August, 2008, 10:00 AM

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HARE KRISHAN ,HARE RAM,

 

THANKS AUM SIR JI , AND PRABHAT JI FOR ANSWERING

 

REALLY THAT IS A GREAT SATSANG

 

 

 

> Mahakaal is the controller of the universe and kaal is his smaller

> manifestation to unfold the happenings in a sequence, which we call

> time.

>

> However there are mental planes where Time does not exist...there

is

> no future no past... everything in present before us.

>

 

That is what absolutely great Sir Ji ,

 

i had one question in my mind once You had asked in this forum , but

could not be discussed further .

 

WHAT IS THE ROLE OF MAHAKALI AND HOW MAHAKALI ARE RELATED WITH LORD

SRI KRISHAN(LORD SRI KRISHAN ARE ALSO KNOWN AS MAHAKAAL) .

 

 

MAHAKAAL ARE WITHIN TIME FRAME , BUT WHOSE TIME PERIOD IS LARGER IN

MAHAKAAL AND KAAL AND WHY SIR JI

 

 

i am sorry Prabhat Ji today i was busy the whole day i could not get

time even to read the mail throughly .

 

our discussion would be continued .................

 

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RAM ,HARE RAM ,RAM RAM, HARE HARE