Guest guest Posted August 26, 2008 Report Share Posted August 26, 2008 Isn't Sadhna or meditation a sort of self-hypnotism ? Like in hypnotism we hypnotise ourselves into some fake realities, are we not similarly hypnotising ourselves in Meditation that there is a God and there are hells & heavens. How far is it possible that we just self hupnotise ourselves that we have reached some fake higher worlds or have got enlightenment and thus we die peacefully. Even if this is true, it is not bad to have a peaceful death and a good life vishnu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2008 Report Share Posted August 26, 2008 Ah Ha, Namaste Vishni ji, By meditation you must be meaning the sitting and closing eyes for sometime and imagining something ! Meditation is, per se, not a straightforward act. Before we start it, we need to cross many stages. They are six as per Patanjali.(yama, Niyama, Asana, Pranayama, Pratyahara,and Dharana) Only after one completes the first six levels, one is even qualified for the seventh stage of Dhyana. Let me analyze your post : You wrote: > Like in hypnotism we hypnotise ourselves into some fake realities, > are we not similarly hypnotising ourselves in Meditation that there is > a God and there are hells & heavens. Meditation is not thinking or imagining. It is in fact release from thought. Thought is the bondage. You wrote: How far is it possible that we just self hupnotise ourselves that > we have reached some fake higher worlds or have got enlightenment and > thus we die peacefully. Hypnotism is in fact reaching deeper levels of MIND. That is all. Meditation is, at least as per Gita, just watching your thoughts go by .. Ideally this process is a cleansing. That is why many commentators who wrote on Gita , while explaining the Dhyana Yoga part, write that what Krishna means here is just to sit still and keep watching your thoughts go by and NEVER GET INVOLVED IN THEM. This explains that in meditation we showel out the thoughts( good and bad) out of the mind. Meditation is complete when there is no mind. But whereas in Hypnotism, we actually do not tamper with our mind and its thought structure. We simply dig deeper to access some deep corner and plant or replace a thought at that level. (correct me if I'm wrong). Hypnotism is at best a therapeutic tool. if you make yourself believe by hypnotizing that you have reached a higher world it is your own thought. In fact, these higher and lower worlds may even be an imagination of some others. What is certain is that we have been given a life with an intellect which controls the mind.Then, through self enquiry, it was found that the owner of the quartet of body, senses, mind and intellect was the real PERSON. The rishis went from there and cognized the Vedas and later emerged the Upanishads. They dwell on emancipation. NEVER ON FALSE BELIEFS. I wonder whether I touched the core of your questions. But I believe this helps. Venkat , kalyugivishnu5 <no_reply wrote: > > Isn't Sadhna or meditation a sort of self-hypnotism ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2008 Report Share Posted August 26, 2008 > , kalyugivishnu5 <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > Isn't Sadhna or meditation a sort of self-hypnotism ? > LOL rather Sadhna is De-hypnotising ourselves from the world around us to the Ultimate Truth Aum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2008 Report Share Posted August 26, 2008 Totally agree with Respected Aum ji... Regards, Prabhat --- On Tue, 26/8/08, aumji <no_reply > wrote: aumji <no_reply > Re: Meditation and Hypnotism Tuesday, 26 August, 2008, 3:29 PM > @ s.com, kalyugivishnu5 <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > Isn't Sadhna or meditation a sort of self-hypnotism ? > LOL rather Sadhna is De-hypnotising ourselves from the world around us to the Ultimate Truth Aum Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on http://help./l/in//mail/mail/tools/tools-08.html/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2008 Report Share Posted August 26, 2008 My dear friend, No Eastern Spirituality speaks of Heaven, Hell or God to attain out of Sadhana or Meditation. Meditation is entering into the realm that is beyond any thoughts, relationships, position, possessions,virtues and sins. Sadhanas is an attempt to hone ourselves to reality as it is so that our perception and action in this world is perfect and in tune with the Order with which the Creation runs. Heaven and Hell are all in the realm of thoughts, word and worldly, that causes us the misery of life. Meditation is to go beyond these falsities and be in our true state. Best wishes, M.S.Thimmappa. , kalyugivishnu5 <no_reply wrote: > > Isn't Sadhna or meditation a sort of self-hypnotism ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2008 Report Share Posted August 26, 2008 My dear friend, This is in continuation of my earlier mail where I forgot to touch on the other issue you had raised, hypnotism. Hypnotism is a suggestion given to the mind when mind is in semi- or limited/focused conscious state of mind whereas Meditation takes place in a fully conscious state leading eventually to a super conscious state as evidenced by life, work and teachings of Ramana, Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, Aurobindo, to quote a few in the last hundred years or so. Effect of hypnotism is short lived or effects wear off in time needing more and more of hypnotic suggestion to maintain the effect, it develops dependency and blind obedience. Often, hypnotism is phony and silly, undermining the dignity and grace of human life, like making the client feel hot or cold when none exist or pumping(fooling!)words such as 'quit smoking'!!Meditation is opposite of all that hypnotism stands for and practiced. Regards, M.S.Thimmappa , kalyugivishnu5 <no_reply wrote: > > Isn't Sadhna or meditation a sort of self-hypnotism ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2008 Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 , aumji <no_reply wrote: > LOL rather Sadhna is De-hypnotising ourselves from the world around > us to the Ultimate Truth > > Aum > Laughing will not do aumji, because i am serious. What people see as visions in sadhna can be felt by drugs too. For example those who take LSD claim of having seen strange colors and a feeling of flying in the air and the same is claimed by those doing meditations. so my question is how you can be sure that what you are taking as " Achievement " in sadhna may be a game of mind Our mind is strange and its working are still not discovered by scientists. So Sir, how you can be sure that there is God and the visions seen in sadhna are real and not fooling of mind vishnu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2008 Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 Hello Vishnu ji, Existence of GOD doesn't require any proof. We all know that we can't see air, but still are alive because of it only. We all know that we can't see the planet Pluto with our naked eyes, but it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. It can be seen by advanced Telescopes. In the same way, GOD cannot be felt by our normal and cheap sensory perceptions that we have. HE can be seen through special " telescopes " which has to be developed by our own efforts. But the journey doesn't end up there. Ultimately, we will come to know that " WE ACTUALLY ARE WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO SEE OUTSIDE OURSELVES. " The Soul which does Sadhana just for the sake of visions is still progressing. So, it is useless to talk about visions because it is nothing worth for. The real goal is something much above that that. We can easily believe what we see, hear, touch in the external world because we assume that they are real. But my friend, believing only what we see through physical eyes as real is actually fooling oneself, because they are real as well as unreal. The visions that we may see of the internal world during Sadhana are also likewise. They are real as well as unreal. The only thing that is real is " YOU ARE THAT " . Regards, Prabhat --- On Wed, 27/8/08, kalyugivishnu5 <no_reply > wrote: kalyugivishnu5 <no_reply > Re: Meditation and Hypnotism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2008 Report Share Posted August 28, 2008 , kalyugivishnu5 <no_reply wrote: > Laughing will not do aumji, because i am serious. What people see as > visions in sadhna can be felt by drugs too. > I am serious too and was laughing seriously. Our present state of awakening may look like awakened state in physical world but it is a hypnotised state in comparison to spiritual plane. The visions seen by drugs and the visions seen by a sadhaka, can be compared to " A begger sleeping peacefully by the side of the road and an enlightened soul/higher soul/ sleeping in the dust " both are peacefully sleeping, but we know whose peace is real. I invite you to do serious meditation see the visions and then take the drugs and see the visions and see the difference yourself These things cant be explained logically, but have to be felt/seen by one himself. love Aum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 As you take narcotics, you kill off your brain cells. Alcohol and drugs produce the 'high' because the dying brain cells leave you with a lessened capacity to function. However, the brain is able to reconnect pathways and function normally within a few hours... so you are not permanently impaired. The visions we see in an LSD trip are the result of severe (if limited) brain damage. Visions through meditation are caused by our brains exceeding their limitations. You can quench your thirst using water or poison. There was a study on meditation where they hooked up electrodes to the skull of various test subjects - to detect mental activity. The brain of the person meditating was significantly more active. The visions are not caused by any 'damage', quite the opposite. But its hard to scientifically prove any spiritual process. Science is limited. In any case the visions we see are just distractions and must be ignored. Not treated as something to hanker after. Rgds , kalyugivishnu5 <no_reply wrote: > For example those who take LSD claim of having seen strange colors > and a feeling of flying in the air and the same is claimed by those > doing meditations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2008 Report Share Posted September 5, 2008 OMNAMONARAYANAYA Dear venerable sadhaks , Please permit me to write about ONE BASIC DIFFERENCE between Meditation and Hypnotism/drugs/alcohol etc Human brain performs the following functions like 1)Higher functions =discrimination between good and evil,differentiation between truth and falsehood ,inhibiting from public performance of natural physiological functions like urination, defecation and sex in public. These functions are not performed by animal brain. 2)Speech = includes comprehension and speaking writing and reading of spoken or written word and also understanding the three dimensional nature of things seen and stereo perception of sound Animals can only make a vague sound specific for each species ,see two dimensional and perceive no stereo sound 3)Basic responses of self defense for preserving life or limb and 4)Several other functions Narcotics, drugs and alcohol ELIMINATE the first higher function. So it is not called stimulation but depression of brain . Humans under these influences lose human and gain animal instincts Meditation does not eliminate the higher functions. So meditation is STIMULATION and permits us to stay HUMAN and may work to make us SUPER HUMAN. Thanks JAI HANUMAN ijswamy ~SWAMY http://gjnanaswarup.spaces.live.com/blog/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2008 Report Share Posted September 6, 2008 , " J.SWAMY IRAGAVARAPU " <jiragavarapu wrote: > > OMNAMONARAYANAYA > Dear venerable sadhaks , Please permit me to write about ONE BASIC These are very good points Swamiji. Meditation makes our mind clearere & brighter, while drugs make it dull. So the fact both that may give visions is besides the point. with love Shantnu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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