How do we know it is not ego ?

[Guest guest]

A very important question on the path of sadhna is how to differentiate between

the desires of the ego and the desires of higher self.

 

We are a matrix of very complex energies working on us simultaneously viz.

 

1- The Energies of lower nature -always trying to bring us down to the dungeons

of Tamoguna

 

2- The energies of inertia - always trying to keep the status-quo...not allowing

us to deviate from the normal path and resisting any move, be it on the negative

side or positive side.

 

3- The energies around us of others - the energies of our family, friends,

society and nation also work on us expecting us to do certain karma, which we

may or may not be ready to go... thus keeping a pressure on us.

 

4- The energies of Higher shakti - this energy alwasy tries to take us fast on

the mental evolution, to understand things and to take us out of the loop we are

in. This energy is very interesting as it works in a very strange

ways...seemingly unconscious but strongly and silently working on our psyche.

Some times this energy seems to be working against us, hindering our way, our

desires and our goals...but when later its resistance is removed, we know how up

this storm has taken us. This energy is the real friend of our True self,

sometimes looking as an enemy to our physical and mental being

 

5- The Energies of the Lord - this energy always works on us in a very silent

way, not interfering into our desires or egoistic demands. Its final aim is to

awaken Love & compassion in us and take us slowly to god head.

 

Plus the energies of our past karma forcing us to do certain duties.

 

Now since we are a complex system of all these energies, each demanding its

share from us, we become so complex a character, unique in our own way that each

individual seems different.

 

Is there a way to find out if our desires are emanating from a particular

enrgy pattern or not ? how do we know what we desire is the need of the lord or

need of the limited ego wanting to manifest as a unique individual, thus harming

others' liberty?

 

Love

 

Aum

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, aumji <no_reply wrote:

>

 

> We are a matrix of very complex energies working on us >simultaneously viz.

 

Hmmm Aumji, this is very deep.....a question related to yours is- how do we know

if the decisions we make are due to our free will, or the effect of all these

energies?

 

I will need to meditate on this.

 

luv,

s

[Guest guest]

ji,

 

The question has complexity yet if we see the place of representation of these

all energies is mind.and a mind can handle only one influence at a time though

it will change repeatedly. Mind has to be controlled by intellect and intellect

has influence of chittasanskaras.Thats fundamental structure.

 

Now as far as other energies are concerned they act on us based on different

times that means they are external.and whenver they are stronger they act upon

us, and influence our decesions.

 

The meditation or looking inside and observing whats happening inside is the

only way to find our what our own nature , habit of thought is. When the inside

urges are found and elimited by discharging them.the inner influence reduces and

the true nature of pure ego is exposed.

 

When someone sticks to his pure ego, definately outer energies can not influence

his decesions, because he himself is witnessing his own thoughts. Hence the

thought will defiantely not partial and baised.

 

The pure ego exposure, itself demolishes false ego, and therefore it wont do

anything which will be harmfull for others.

 

 

--- On Tue, 26/5/09, aumji <no_reply > wrote:

 

aumji <no_reply >

How do we know it is not ego ?

 

Tuesday, 26 May, 2009, 10:09 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A very important question on the path of sadhna is how to differentiate

between the desires of the ego and the desires of higher self.

 

 

 

We are a matrix of very complex energies working on us simultaneously viz.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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, " udaykumar S.K. " <udaykumar001 wrote:

>

> ji,

>

> The question has complexity yet if we see the place of representation of these

all energies is mind.and a mind can handle

 

Thanks dear Udai,

 

for this beautiful elaboration. But i feel only energies of those around us

may attack us from outside. all other energies use our own faculties like mind,

intellect or chitta to work on our system.

 

what do you think ?

 

Aum

[Guest guest]

, " udaykumar S.K. " <udaykumar001 wrote:

>

> ji,

>

> The question has complexity yet if we see the place of representation >of

these all energies is mind.and a mind can handle only one influence >at a time

though it will change repeatedly. Mind has to be controlled >by intellect and

intellect has influence of chittasanskaras.Thats

 

Udaji, controlling the mind is hardly easy. Thats how the 9 planets work. These

planets corrupt even the minds of Great Gods & Rishis, so how can we mortals

stand a chance?

 

luv,

[Guest guest]

, aumji <no_reply wrote:

>

> A very important question on the path of sadhna is how to >differentiate

between the desires of the ego and the desires of higher >self. We are a matrix

of very complex energies working on us >simultaneously viz.

 

 

Aumji, it seems to me there is no way to way where a desire comes from - our own

karma, karma of friends/relatives/country, Gods desire, lower or highr natures

needs etc. But once we commit an act, we are bound to its results.

 

I think the only thing we can do is- only do positive actions, that help all

other living beings, to the best of our ability. This will increase Satoguna in

us. The other thing we can do is- try to silence our mind. We can only listen to

Higher Nature when our mind is silent. Only Higher Shakti can guide us how to

escape this maze.

 

luv,

s

[Guest guest]

ji,

 

In fact the mind is just like a square where roads meet, where thoughts come and

go.

 

When some one stands at the square and evaluates where the trafic is comming

from, he can get the direction from where the main source of the trafic comming

from. But he will never succeed to eliminate the trafic by stopping then at the

square. The square is the way to pass the trafic , either in useful direction,

or useless direction, or towards no specific direction.

 

The thoughts are powered by our own pure ego and hence when the pure ego gets

separated from the thoughts appearing in the mind, they looses their power and

gets eliminated.

 

Now the attachment itself is cause of failure for many rishis. The attachment is

obviously chittasanskaras uncleared, and urges overcome the enlightened

intellect.There must be some very very tiny desire left and when the object

triggers the desire, the desire uses the power of pure ego, intellct is

overpowered by the urge and chances of failure for the sadhak is more.

 

Hence whoever tries to control the mind, has over taken by the mind itself.we

only power it to fight with us.It becomes more and more strong, since the

resistance has gone up with self, such person may look having a strong will

power, but the more complex one too.

 

The influence of nine planets, other surrounding personalities, the nature

surrounding , the feelings in the physical body below eye level etc appear first

of all, at the mind centre only. If the same is considered as acceptable by our

intellect it enters inside and gets impressed into our chittasanskaras. But when

the same thought is trated with neutral attitude, it makes no any new impression

and so no new sanskara.

 

Hence definately everybody has chance to choose the influence acceptable or

uunacceptable.

 

The corruption of self personality is again choice.

 

 

--- On Tue, 26/5/09, shanracer <no_reply > wrote:

 

 

 

 

Udaji, controlling the mind is hardly easy. Thats how the 9 planets work.. These

planets corrupt even the minds of Great Gods & Rishis, so how can we mortals

stand a chance?

 

 

 

luv,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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ji,

 

Think the inner energies are always influencing us in every direction they have.

 

When all the energies multi directed, the streamlines power is not available

within inside the physical body

The energy must be streamlined by observing them and bringing them forefront at

the stage of mind.When the flow of energy within a person is unidirectional, it

cause a flow power energy, and is very useful.

 

The inside energies definitely influence our own decisions.

 

When a thought appears at the mind, similar thought in the chitta gets charged,

the hidden urge of thought in chitta rapidly synchronizes with the thought in

mind, it seems the thought was our only, intellect analyses the favorabilty and

deceides to go away with it or resist the same.both way either going with it and

resisting it gives power to the thought and it makes its impression on our

chitta Treating the thought as an outsided one, makes no change in the internal

state.

 

To keep the thought away from new impressions, one has to make distance from it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Tue, 26/5/09, aumji <no_reply > wrote:

 

aumji <no_reply >

Re: How do we know it is not ego ?

 

Tuesday, 26 May, 2009, 2:48 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i feel only energies of those around us may attack us from outside. all other

energies use our own faculties like mind, intellect or chitta to work on our

system.

 

 

 

what do you think ?

 

 

 

Aum

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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The best way to control the mind is by enquiry, the method propounded by Sri

Ramana Maharshi.When we sit in meditation and the thoughts rush in,we must ask

ourselves - 'Who is thinking?.The line of enquiry takes the mind inwards towards

the core. We must make a habit of enquiring within.Like - 'Who am I ?' 'Am I

this body which is moving towards destruction?' I personally use this method and

have found it wonderfully effective.

Regards

Rwitoja

 

--- On Tue, 26/5/09, udaykumar S.K. <udaykumar001 wrote:

 

 

In fact the mind is just like a square where roads meet, where thoughts come and

go.

[Guest guest]

ji,

 

Methods are always effective, like a tool is used by a skillfull one, and

unskilled one.

 

The user makes the proper use of a tool. Many a times when someone sits for

meditation, asks himself " who am i " , and the intelect answers " i am the soul or

pure ego " etc. If the answer is known, the user wont be able to extract it from

the intelect.

 

In my views Gyanis need the lowest time to attain realisation, next one is

tantric, next to them is yogi and Bhakta the last.

 

But do to ignorant of the techiniques to be used, the same sequence reverses,

Bhakta takes the lowest time, next yogi, next to them Tantric, and last the

gyani.

 

we only make ourself the process complex.But if we see Ramana Maharshi, he was

simplest of the simplest person.

 

Difenetly as said by you, a question , a tiny desire to get answer, and a

question without word, makes one watchfull who seeks an answer to experince who

he is, might get an answer in pure manner.

 

--- On Wed, 27/5/09, rwitoja mukherjee <r_mukherj wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The best way to control the mind is by enquiry, the method propounded by

Sri Ramana Maharshi.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Any desire emanated from

 

> Now since we are a complex system of all these energies, each demanding

its share from us, we become so complex a character, unique in our own way that

each individual seems different.

>

> Is there a way to find out if our desires are emanating from a particular

enrgy pattern or not ? how do we know what we desire is the need of the lord or

need of the limited ego wanting to manifest as a unique individual, thus harming

others' liberty?

>

 

--

 

>--HARE RAM, HARE KRISHAN

 

Any desire which is for the welfare of others is the desire from the God,which

is emanated from Love and compassion and any desire which is used for the

welfare of ownself is desire emanated from ego.

 

IT IS NEEDLESS TO SAY THAT PREM KARNE WALE KO PREM KARNE MAIN HI ANAND KI PRAPTI

HO JATI HAI US PREMI KO BHALA KOI KYA DE SAKTA HAI.

 

Now question arises what if two people have opposite demands from you, what

would you do. How would you LOVE both in this case.

 

could you please share that if something is required by the Nation from you than

How would you say that this desire is from God or from Ego.

 

HARE RAM, HARE RAM, RAM RAM, HARE HARE, HARE KRISHAN, HARE KRISHAN, KRISHAN

KRISHAN, HARE HARE

[Guest guest]

, " jitendra kumar " <jtin_ja wrote:

 

> Now question arises what if two people have opposite demands from >you, what

would you do. How would you LOVE both in this case.

 

Jituji, I think we should just trust our intuition. Else, only follow that path

which will be less spiritually harmful to both parties.

 

> could you please share that if something is required by the Nation >from you

than How would you say that this desire is from God or from >Ego.

 

If it is Gods desire- you wont be given an option. you will be forced to fight,

even as Arjun was. Everytime we make a decision based on logic/our own thinking,

its our own ego.

 

Mind you- the ego is very dangerous & subtle. It puts on cloak of great Patriot,

Sadhak, Guru, & tries to " help others " .

 

Remember- its not our job to help anyone. If God wants to help someone, God can

do it himself! If God wants to use us as a tool, we wont be given an option. So

in either case, we shouldnt worry too much about helping others/the

country/religon.

 

The only person we can help is ourself, & we should only focus on that.

 

 

love,

s

[Guest guest]

>

> >

> If it is Gods desire- you wont be given an option. you will be forced to

fight, even as Arjun was. Everytime we make a decision based on logic/our own

thinking, its our own ego.

>--------------------------

 

HARE RAM, HARE KRISHAN

 

THANKS SIR JI FOR BEAUTIFUL ANSWERS

 

But i also concentrated on that topic AND want to share.

 

1st situation when two people have opposite demands from you and you are in a

position to give them.

 

Than example of the situation when Arjuna and Duryodhan came to the Lord Sri

Krishan. Lord preferred Arjuna to ask first. And the basis for choice was that

Arjuna came earlier than Duryodhan. Lord Sri Krishan gave weightage to SAMAY and

not to Duryodhan and Arjuna. Because God himself is SAMAY.

 

 

HARE RAM, HARE RAM, RAM RAM, HARE HARE, HARE KRISHAN, HARE KRISHAN, KRISHAN

KRISHAN, HARE HARE,

[Guest guest]

> Than example of the situation when Arjuna and Duryodhan came to the Lord Sri

Krishan. Lord preferred Arjuna to ask first. And the basis for choice was that

Arjuna came earlier than Duryodhan.

 

 

-----------

 

HARE RAM, HARE KRISHAN

 

I am wrong here. Duryodhana reached earlier than Arjuna to Lord Sri Krishan for

help. But Duryodhan was sitting towards head side and Arjuna towards leg side

and Lord had given chance to Arjuna as Lord had seen Arjuna first.

 

SO HERE I AM TOTALLY CONFUSED WHAT WAS THE BASIS OF LORD SRI KRISHAN TO GIVE A

CHANCE TO ARJUNA FIRST. PLEASE IF SOMEONE CAN HELP ME

 

HARE RAM, HARE RAM, RAM RAM,HARE HARE, HARE KRISHAN, HARE KRISHAN, KRISHAN, HARE

HARE

[Guest guest]

, " jitendra kumar " <jtin_ja wrote:

>

 

> SO HERE I AM TOTALLY CONFUSED WHAT WAS THE BASIS OF LORD SRI KRISHAN >TO GIVE

A CHANCE TO ARJUNA FIRST. PLEASE IF SOMEONE CAN HELP ME

 

Jituji, advanced Yogis & higher Beings/Gods like Krishna have a Siddhi, whereby

you can only ask them things that they want you to- they can control all the

thoughts in your mind.

 

Thats why all these demons that pray to Shiv/Brahma- why dont they ever ask for

Moksha? Because Shivji knows they are not ready, so he gives them useless

Siddhis which gets them killed.

 

Same way, Krishna didnt want to help Duryodhan, so Duryodhan had no

power/thought to ask for the one thing that could have helped him- Krishas

guidance.

 

luv,

s

[Guest guest]

> Thats why all these demons that pray to Shiv/Brahma- why dont they ever ask

for Moksha? Because Shivji knows they are not ready, so he gives them useless

Siddhis which gets them killed.

>

> Same way, Krishna didnt want to help Duryodhan, so Duryodhan had no

power/thought to ask for the one thing that could have helped him- Krishas

guidance.

----

 

THANKS SIR JI FOR BEAUTIFULL ANSWER

 

Also Lord listen prayer earlier to those who asks something with soul(love) than

with Asuri ego. Duryodhan had Asuri ego that is why He could not be seen by the

God.

 

Asuri Ego can never face the Lord.

 

HARE RAM, HARE RAM, RAM RAM, HARE HARE, HARE KRISHAN, HARE KRISHAN, KRISHAN

KRISHAN, HARE HARE

[Guest guest]

ji,

 

The supreme power is said to " kalatit " means beyond time, samay, hence the same

can not be samay.

 

Also the supreme one is within everything and is covered by maya,( the

illussion.)

The other way round is when maya demystified is brahman only.

 

so when it comes to make a choice between two or more options ,the intellect

comes into picture and making decisions is roll of intellect only and not of the

supreme power directly.

 

So when a person makes decision , although the intellect has power behind it is

of supreme power, yet the intellect decides based on the highly enlighted manner

or un-enlighted manner.Definately enlightened person can make better decisions

and unenlightened person make wrong decisions.

 

Lord krishna is superconsious and definately the intellect in his physical body

is enlightened and can make proper decision and no doubt about it.

 

Arjuna is not a realised person and can always have confusion about whats is

right and what is not. Unless the third eye is opened and one can see the things

beyond physical appearnce , no right choice is possible spiritually..

 

Intelect has limitations to make spiritual decisions.

 

It is usefull for material and astral life.

 

--- On Wed, 3/6/09, jitendra kumar <jtin_ja wrote:

 

 

 

 

1st situation when two people have opposite demands from you and you are in a

position to give them. Than example of the situation when Arjuna and Duryodhan

came to the Lord Sri Krishan. Lord preferred Arjuna to ask first. And the basis

for choice was that Arjuna came earlier than Duryodhan. Lord Sri Krishan gave

weightage to SAMAY and not to Duryodhan and Arjuna. Because God himself is SAMAY

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Also the supreme one is within everything and is covered by maya,( the

illussion.)

> The other way round is when maya demystified is brahman only.

>

> so when it comes to make a choice between two or more options ,the intellect

comes into picture and making decisions is roll of intellect only and not of the

supreme power directly.

>------------------------

 

THANKS SIR JI FOR BEAUTIFUL REPLY

 

HARE RAM, HARE RAM, RAM RAM, HARE HARE, HARE KRISHAN, HARE KRISHAN, KRISHAN

KRISHAN, HARE HARE

[Guest guest]

> The supreme power is said to " kalatit " means beyond time, samay, hence the

same can not be samay.

>

> Arjuna is not a realised person and can always have confusion about whats is

right and what is not.

 

 

---------

 

HARE RAM, HARE KRISHAN

 

Udai Sir Ji

 

could you please write something that why Lord Sri Krishan said in Srimad

Bhagwvatgeeta that

 

that " I am TIME in those who do calculations "

 

and " I am DHANANJAYA or Arjuna among Pandavas "

 

what is the meaning of these Statements with your inner views on above

statements.

 

THANKS SIR JI

 

HARE RAM, HARE RAM, RAM RAM, HARE HARE, HARE KRISHAN, HARE KRISHAN, KRISHAN

KRISHAN, HARE HARE

[Guest guest]

ji,

 

Lord krishna said much more that just time and dhananjay.

 

He was trying to lead Arjuna, towards indicating the centre subject, how a pure

soul lies within one and how the superconsiosness is omnipresent.

 

Arjuna is ignorant and not experinced even a bliss of pure ego, so can not be

explained  straightway.

 

He is warrior and he knows how to focus on target, therefore he says " I " (pure

soul with superconsiousness experinced ) am the one who has focus like

Dhananjay(Arjuna) . also he say I am the " Kal " " Samaya " where everything is

accounted for.

 

The Samay is witness to everything. There is nothing without time, it misses

nothing in the world. The counting is always running.

 

--- On Wed, 10/6/09, jitendra kumar <jtin_ja wrote:

 

jitendra kumar <jtin_ja

Re: How do we know it is not ego ?

 

Wednesday, 10 June, 2009, 9:50 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

------------ --------- --------- --------- ---

 

" I am TIME in those who do calculations "

 

 

 

and " I am DHANANJAYA or Arjuna among Pandavas "

 

 

 

what is the meaning of these Statements

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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> The Samay is witness to everything. There is nothing without time, it misses

nothing in the world. The counting is always running.

>

>>---------------------------

 

HARE RAM, HARE KRISHAN

 

THANKS FOR BEAUTIFUL ANSWER SIR JI, BEAUTIFUL JNAN YOGA

 

And which remains ALWAYS is known as God

 

HARE RAM, HARE RAM, RAM RAM, HARE HARE, HARE KRISHAN, HARE KRISHAN, KRISHAN

KRISHAN, HARE HARE

[Guest guest]

Pranams Babaji...

 

It has been a long time since I participated. Tempted to pass on some views, so

here I am.

 

All Desires are of the Mind. Mind is thought and without the thought there is

no Good or bad.

 

All that we do will affect some one or the other. Even if we drink water, we

are killing bacteria, we breathe and millions of germs get killed by our immune

system.

 

The Pure state is desireless. Thoughtless.. and in my opinion that natural

state is where we need to rest. Then we are not, only GOD is.

 

Then it is his business if actions are right or wrong...

 

Love

 

Bala.

[Guest guest]

, " baby " <balachand wrote:

 

Welcome back Balaji.

 

> The Pure state is desireless. Thoughtless.. and in my opinion that >natural

state is where we need to rest. Then we are not, only GOD is.

 

But in such a state, can we do any work in the world? Wont that state be like a

stone-after all, even a stone is thoughtless, desireless?

 

luv,

Shantnu

[Guest guest]

ji,

 

the pure state is desireless etc,

 

The one who wants to get liberated can dilute his own pure ego.

 

Those who do not want the same can take births.

 

such state one can do nothing , because no one is there, on the other hand he

has become everyone.

 

there is not a one individual pure ego working, but the universe is working..

 

How can we say its like stone? its omni working , isnt it?

 

--- On Wed, 17/6/09, shanracer <no_reply > wrote:

 

shanracer <no_reply >

Re: How do we know it is not ego ?

 

Wednesday, 17 June, 2009, 12:26 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

@ s.com, " baby " <balachand@. ..> wrote:

 

 

 

Welcome back Balaji.

 

 

 

> The Pure state is desireless. Thoughtless. . and in my opinion that >natural

state is where we need to rest. Then we are not, only GOD is.

 

 

 

But in such a state, can we do any work in the world? Wont that state be like a

stone-after all, even a stone is thoughtless, desireless?

 

 

 

luv,

 

Shantnu

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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>

> But in such a state, can we do any work in the world? Wont that state be like

a stone-after all, even a stone is thoughtless, desireless?

>

> luv,

> Shantnu

>

 

Dear Shantnu,

 

In such a state where the doership of " I and Mine " is absent, there will be

activity and thought, but the individual ego will be absent. So " I " will be

doing nothing, but God will. It is Egoless state that Great people like Ramana

propounded. Ramana was active physically till his last days, but was all the

while acting as the whole and not as the individual Ego sense.

 

Love

 

Bala.