How do we know it is not ego ?

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, " baby " <balachand wrote:

 

> Dear Shantnu,

>

> In such a state where the doership of " I and Mine " is absent, there will be

activity and thought, but the individual ego will be absent. la.

>

Namaste.Keeping action separate from the " sakshi " ( witness within)can be

extremely difficult to achieve except for great souls like Sri Ramana. In the

mundane business of day to day living, such non involvement could also be

dangerously close to either insincerety or schizophrenia. in which case, why

take trouble to " act " at all ? Its all so perplexing.

[Guest guest]

> Namaste.Keeping action separate from the " sakshi " ( witness within)can be

extremely difficult to achieve except for great souls like Sri Ramana. In the

mundane business of day to day living, such non involvement could also be

dangerously close to either insincerety or schizophrenia. in which case, why

take trouble to " act " at all ? Its all so perplexing.

>

 

True.... But we can not write one's self off as less great than Ramana, since

there is only one self... there is no two. Many of Ramana's Disciples (papaji,

Arunachala Swamy, Om - a western disciple and many more ) have lived as the

witness, so if X can Y should be able to..

 

Further your concerns of being ineffective and schizophrenic are unfounded as

living as the witness will make you more effective and " in tune " with the

whole... So the more you are a witness, the lesser the danger of

Schizophrenia....

 

Being as the self is the simplest thing to do.. Like not holding a glass of

water is easier than holding one....When one continues asking the question who

is that who thinks, who is that who is acting, the witnessing becomes automatic.

 

And Talking of Non involvement, in Ramana's own words, who is involved or non

involved??? Once that question takes root, there is no trouble.

 

Bala...

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, " thrinoham " <vidyamysore2003

> Namaste.Keeping action separate from the " sakshi " ( witness within)can >be

extremely difficult to achieve except for great souls like Sri >Ramana. In the

mundane business of day to day living, such non >involvement could also be

dangerously close to either insincerety or >schizophrenia. in which case, why

take trouble to " act " at all ? Its >all so perplexing.

 

 

Thats a good point, thrinohamji. None of us are Raman Maharishi, & we dont have

the luxury of living on a mountain top(with chelas bringing food etc), where

there is no tension or problems!

 

Its hard to live in the world, with all its tensions, fights, & still be in

Sakshi Bhaav. It has been done by what- 3 or 4 people(Janak & of course, Sri

Krishna) in 1000s of years of history? Why are expecting ordinary people to

follow such a high standard? They will fail, & may lose interest in

spirituality.

 

And for the ordinary man, the danger is, as you point out, that in their effort

to become " Non-doers " , they may become puppets of hostile forces. How do we know

that the Divine is acting through us, & not negative forces? The only way to

know is to be in Sakshi Bhaav, but then this becomes a circular problem!

 

So what is the solution for the ordinary person? I think the ordinary person

should only try to do Sattvic action(as much as his Karma permits him). When the

balance of energies, which includes his Karma, his families/countries Karma, his

deep hidden desires, all have become balanced, he/she will automatically be in

harmony with nature, which by Gods grace may lead to Sakshi Bhaav, or even

complete Moksha.

 

luv,

Shantnu

[Guest guest]

ji,

 

when it comes to perform material activity, the material activity devices like

mind , intellect ,chitta etc come into picture.

 

Either these are driven by pure ego or false ego , it matters nothing to these

via media,s.

 

when these activities are performed by pure ego " am " , they are influenced by

purity and have no impact of creating new bonds.The pure ego influences simple

life and leads to liberation.

 

on the other hand when they are under influence of false ego, they create new

bonds and new complex circuits which makes life more and more miserable.

 

the third one is super ego and one can not work or perform material activity

under it, since the one who is driving the body, mind, intellect and chitta is

universal and not individual.

 

If one has attained super consciousness all time, he is no more limited in one

body.

 

Those who have experienced super consciousness, have its influence on the

material parts like mind , intellect etc, and follows the rules of nature, and

has pure ego , the am, present.such people go to the status whenever they are

free from material activity (as they wish) and experience the liberation, but

again come back to pure ego status.

 

Once the " am " is left, he is liberated, nothing can stop him and he can not be

performing as an individual, its impossible.

 

--- On Thu, 18/6/09, baby <balachand wrote:

 

baby <balachand

Re: How do we know it is not ego ?

 

Thursday, 18 June, 2009, 3:32 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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> But in such a state, can we do any work in the world? Wont that state be like

a stone-after all, even a stone is thoughtless, desireless?

 

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> luv,

 

> Shantnu

 

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Dear Shantnu,

 

 

 

In such a state where the doership of " I and Mine " is absent, there will be

activity and thought, but the individual ego will be absent. So " I " will be

doing nothing, but God will. It is Egoless state that Great people like Ramana

propounded. Ramana was active physically till his last days, but was all the

while acting as the whole and not as the individual Ego sense..

 

 

 

Love

 

 

 

Bala.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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