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Namaste,

 

Many religious people say this world is just a dream(esp some Adwait schools)-

God is dreaming, & we are characters in his imagination. Hence, this world isnt

really real, its just an illusion, Maya.

 

Is this true? If so, it brings the question- what is a dream? After all, for us,

dreams are just impressions on our chitta, which come up when rational mind goes

to sleep. So how does God dream?

 

luv,

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Namaste. I have been thinking of starting this topic, as I have posted some

messages in the past at this link:

 

http://forums.delphiforums.com/jayaradhey/messages?msg=36.47

 

Will share later many more verses given in Srimad Bhagavatam in this regard.

 

Jaya Sri Radhe!

 

 

 

> Many religious people say this world is just a dream(esp some Adwait schools)-

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> Many religious people say this world is just a dream(esp some Adwait schools)-

God is dreaming, & we are characters in his imagination. Hence, this world isnt

really real, its just an illusion, Maya.

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> Is this true? If so, it brings the question- what is a dream? After all, for

us, dreams are just impressions on our chitta, which come up when rational mind

goes to sleep. So how does God dream?

> ---

 

HARE RAM, HARE KRISHAN

 

Very beautiful question Sir Ji

 

Dream is the reflection of consciousness into the subconsciousness and sometimes

into superconsciousness.

 

The difference between our dream and God's dream is that God's dream is real.

God gives birth to the real world ie real drama which never converts while our

dreams creats illusion or imaginary world and temporary drama.

 

HARE RAM, HARE RAM, RAM RAM,HARE HARE, HARE KRISHAN, HARE KRISHAN, KRISHAN

KRISHAN, HARE HARE

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> > Many religious people say this world is just a dream(esp some Adwait

schools)- >

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This world is reality as well as a dream. It depends what plane of existence you

look at it!

 

It also depends on what stage of involution/evolution a particular mind, body

and soul is!

 

from a higher perspective and plane of living and for a much evolved mind which

is near liberation, this world is unreal as he experience what is real.

 

 

this is an interesting topic, looking for comments from our learned sadhaks.

 

pranam

 

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> Dream is the reflection of consciousness into the subconsciousness >and

sometimes into superconsciousness.

 

Are you sure, Jitendarji? As when we go into superconcious- it becomes Samadhi?

 

Isnt that the difference between Samadhi & dream- we are fully consious in one?

So can we then say God ever dreams?

 

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, " so hum " <jigyaasuu wrote:

 

> from a higher perspective and plane of living and for a much evolved >mind

which is near liberation, this world is unreal as he experience >what is real.

 

Thanks Sohumji. So if a person near liberation- if he wants to help us, can he,

if he sees this world as a dream?

 

luv,

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> Are you sure, Jitendarji? As when we go into superconcious- it becomes

Samadhi?

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> Isnt that the difference between Samadhi & dream- we are fully consious in

one? So can we then say God ever dreams?

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HARE RAM, HARE KRISHAN

 

i understand, Superconsciousness is heigher than consciousness, in which i never

thought something in my life, but i saw from superconsciousness state. Eg

sometimes Lord Sai Baba answer my questions in dream and that answer comes true

after sometime when i experience practically. I treat that it was the

reflection of my consciousness into superconsciousness. After all

superconsciousness exist in me but we do not reach there because of our business

in consciousness. while refection in subconsciousness, i always see the dreams

which are related with the incidents happend in consciousness. These dreams are

mainly accomplishment of desires which could not be accomplished in

consciousness state because of many constraints.

 

also i had experienced the superconsciousness state in awaken state.

 

Lord remains in a state which is beyound above said three consciousness and

perhaps it is called Turia state. When Lord sees dreams, that Turia State

reflects from immortal three consciousness and forms drama which is real.

 

Please share your experiences of superconsciousness state. Have you ever reached

to Turia state of consciousness which is beyound all three kind of

consciousness. what you felt.

 

HARE RAM, HARE RAM, RAM RAM, HARE HARE, HARE KRISHAN, HARE KRISHAN, KRISHAN

KRISHAN, HARE HARE

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> Thanks Sohumji. So if a person near liberation- if he wants to help us, can

he, if he sees this world as a dream?

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> luv,

> shantnu

 

 

I think liberation is a process which is like becoming more and more God like.

Aquiring all qualities of God is liberation. God is helping all so will a

liberated soul will. Plz correct me if i am wrong

 

Pranam

 

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, " so hum " <jigyaasuu wrote:

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> I think liberation is a process which is like becoming more and more >God

like. Aquiring all qualities of God is liberation. God is helping >all so will a

liberated soul will. Plz correct me if i am wrong

 

That is true Sohamji.

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ji,

 

superconsiousness is not an accident, its methodical detachment of aham, pure

ego , and since the pure ego , being the last attachment, when one becomes free

from it, its only super consiousness left.

 

no individual remains there. The individual becomes everyone, and within

everything.

 

sunconsiousness lies in chitta, consiousness lies in intellect.

 

if the dream has answers its play of pure ego, answered the questions.It has

capacity to make and break the things happeneing in life.

 

dream is in duality and where there is duality, no advaita (superconsious state)

is possible.

 

Turiya state is not a superconsious state. Its realisation of pure ego, the pure

ego has bliss of new birth and its altime happy state.

 

One has to cross the same and become nirguna states, which is the ultimate,

 

Everyone has different experince, hence one has to depend own experince and ask

guidance from master only.

 

Turiya is bit easier than nirguna.

 

 

--- On Thu, 4/6/09, jitendra kumar <jtin_ja wrote:

 

jitendra kumar <jtin_ja

Re: Is the world just a dream?

 

Thursday, 4 June, 2009, 1:59 PM

 

 

 

 

HARE RAM, HARE KRISHAN

 

 

 

i understand, Superconsciousness is heigher than consciousness, in which i never

thought something in my life, but i saw from superconsciousness state. Eg

sometimes Lord Sai Baba answer my questions in dream and that answer comes true

after sometime when i experience practically. I treat that it was the

reflection of my consciousness into superconsciousness. After all

superconsciousness exist in me but we do not reach there becaus

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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ji,

 

The defination of anything in spirituality is an individual opinion.The

defination changes with respect to person nature

 

When a flower or any material object is seen by eyes, its lovely flower. when

its seen by a microscope, its internal fluids, grains, colours etc are seen,

when the same further deeply seen at the end its seen that it is simple atomic

structure. where proton , neutron and positron are present.

 

The same way a common person sees everything as an individual personality.There

fore he makes differentiates as mine, others, etc  A so called sadhus who ran

away from sansara sees the world as full of flesh, blood, bones etc which are

worth for hate. A turiya stage person sees nothing but self pure ego and always

blissed. A realised person only sees the pure ego within every one and hence

never differentiates between donkey, dog, human , and tree and all.

 

When one says the world is dream, it might mean reality to other. Its

proprtional.and depends on where he stands and from where he is looking at it

from.

 

When one is close to brahman, the material world is missing and hence material

world is an illusion and its untrue , there only brahman is true. but vice versa

when one is in pure maya, brahman is not visible and therefore untrue and can

not be said as existing, here brahman is untrue and maya is true.

 

Its proportional.

 

The fact is without maya no brahman is there and vice versa.

 

Its unresolved question how brahman can create maya or whether maya creates

brahman? latter seems to be difficult.

 

--- On Tue, 2/6/09, shanracer <no_reply > wrote:

 

shanracer <no_reply >

Is the world just a dream?

 

Tuesday, 2 June, 2009, 12:45 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Namaste,

 

 

 

Many religious people say this world is just a dream(esp some Adwait schools)-

God is dreaming, & we are characters in his imagination. Hence, this world isnt

really real, its just an illusion, Maya.

 

 

 

Is this true? If so, it brings the question- what is a dream? After all, for us,

dreams are just impressions on our chitta, which come up when rational mind goes

to sleep. So how does God dream?

 

 

 

luv,

 

shantnu

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Namaste all.

 

Very thoughtful, nice verse from Brahma ji's prayers to Lord Krishna in the 14th

Chapter of 10th Canto of Srimad Bhagavatam:

 

tasmAd idaM jagad azeSam asat-svarUpaM

svapnAbham asta-dhiSaNaM puru-duHkha-duHkham

tvayy eva nitya-sukha-bodha-tanAv anante

mAyAta udyad api yat sad ivAvabhAti

 

" Therefore, this universe, which is completely unreal, like a dream, devoid of

consciousness, and full of abundant and endless misery, which arises out of Your

Maya potency, still appears to be real because it is situated in You, who are

unlimited and possess a body that is eternal, full of joy and knowledge. " (SB

10.14.22)

 

The Gita Press follows Sridhar Swami most closely.

Here is what they have:

 

 

" Therefore, appearing and vanishing in Your infinite Self, the embodiment of

eternal bliss and consciousness, by virtue of Your Maya, this entire universe,

which is unreal by nature like a dream, devoid of intelligence and full of

abundant and endless misery, appears as real. "

 

Jaya Sri Radhe!

 

 

> Namaste. I have been thinking of starting this topic, as I have posted some

messages in the past at this link:

>

> http://forums.delphiforums.com/jayaradhey/messages?msg=36.47

>

> Will share later many more verses given in Srimad Bhagavatam in this regard.

 

> > Many religious people say this world is just a dream (esp some Adwait

schools)- >

>

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