Guest guest Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 Namaste, Many religious people say this world is just a dream(esp some Adwait schools)- God is dreaming, & we are characters in his imagination. Hence, this world isnt really real, its just an illusion, Maya. Is this true? If so, it brings the question- what is a dream? After all, for us, dreams are just impressions on our chitta, which come up when rational mind goes to sleep. So how does God dream? luv, shantnu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2009 Report Share Posted June 2, 2009 Namaste. I have been thinking of starting this topic, as I have posted some messages in the past at this link: http://forums.delphiforums.com/jayaradhey/messages?msg=36.47 Will share later many more verses given in Srimad Bhagavatam in this regard. Jaya Sri Radhe! > Many religious people say this world is just a dream(esp some Adwait schools)- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 > Many religious people say this world is just a dream(esp some Adwait schools)- God is dreaming, & we are characters in his imagination. Hence, this world isnt really real, its just an illusion, Maya. > > Is this true? If so, it brings the question- what is a dream? After all, for us, dreams are just impressions on our chitta, which come up when rational mind goes to sleep. So how does God dream? > --- HARE RAM, HARE KRISHAN Very beautiful question Sir Ji Dream is the reflection of consciousness into the subconsciousness and sometimes into superconsciousness. The difference between our dream and God's dream is that God's dream is real. God gives birth to the real world ie real drama which never converts while our dreams creats illusion or imaginary world and temporary drama. HARE RAM, HARE RAM, RAM RAM,HARE HARE, HARE KRISHAN, HARE KRISHAN, KRISHAN KRISHAN, HARE HARE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 > > Many religious people say this world is just a dream(esp some Adwait schools)- > > This world is reality as well as a dream. It depends what plane of existence you look at it! It also depends on what stage of involution/evolution a particular mind, body and soul is! from a higher perspective and plane of living and for a much evolved mind which is near liberation, this world is unreal as he experience what is real. this is an interesting topic, looking for comments from our learned sadhaks. pranam so hum... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 -- > Dream is the reflection of consciousness into the subconsciousness >and sometimes into superconsciousness. Are you sure, Jitendarji? As when we go into superconcious- it becomes Samadhi? Isnt that the difference between Samadhi & dream- we are fully consious in one? So can we then say God ever dreams? love, Shantnu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 , " so hum " <jigyaasuu wrote: > from a higher perspective and plane of living and for a much evolved >mind which is near liberation, this world is unreal as he experience >what is real. Thanks Sohumji. So if a person near liberation- if he wants to help us, can he, if he sees this world as a dream? luv, shantnu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 > Are you sure, Jitendarji? As when we go into superconcious- it becomes Samadhi? > > Isnt that the difference between Samadhi & dream- we are fully consious in one? So can we then say God ever dreams? ---------------------------- HARE RAM, HARE KRISHAN i understand, Superconsciousness is heigher than consciousness, in which i never thought something in my life, but i saw from superconsciousness state. Eg sometimes Lord Sai Baba answer my questions in dream and that answer comes true after sometime when i experience practically. I treat that it was the reflection of my consciousness into superconsciousness. After all superconsciousness exist in me but we do not reach there because of our business in consciousness. while refection in subconsciousness, i always see the dreams which are related with the incidents happend in consciousness. These dreams are mainly accomplishment of desires which could not be accomplished in consciousness state because of many constraints. also i had experienced the superconsciousness state in awaken state. Lord remains in a state which is beyound above said three consciousness and perhaps it is called Turia state. When Lord sees dreams, that Turia State reflects from immortal three consciousness and forms drama which is real. Please share your experiences of superconsciousness state. Have you ever reached to Turia state of consciousness which is beyound all three kind of consciousness. what you felt. HARE RAM, HARE RAM, RAM RAM, HARE HARE, HARE KRISHAN, HARE KRISHAN, KRISHAN KRISHAN, HARE HARE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 > > Thanks Sohumji. So if a person near liberation- if he wants to help us, can he, if he sees this world as a dream? > > luv, > shantnu I think liberation is a process which is like becoming more and more God like. Aquiring all qualities of God is liberation. God is helping all so will a liberated soul will. Plz correct me if i am wrong Pranam so hum... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 , " so hum " <jigyaasuu wrote: > > I think liberation is a process which is like becoming more and more >God like. Aquiring all qualities of God is liberation. God is helping >all so will a liberated soul will. Plz correct me if i am wrong That is true Sohamji. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 ji, superconsiousness is not an accident, its methodical detachment of aham, pure ego , and since the pure ego , being the last attachment, when one becomes free from it, its only super consiousness left. no individual remains there. The individual becomes everyone, and within everything. sunconsiousness lies in chitta, consiousness lies in intellect. if the dream has answers its play of pure ego, answered the questions.It has capacity to make and break the things happeneing in life. dream is in duality and where there is duality, no advaita (superconsious state) is possible. Turiya state is not a superconsious state. Its realisation of pure ego, the pure ego has bliss of new birth and its altime happy state. One has to cross the same and become nirguna states, which is the ultimate, Everyone has different experince, hence one has to depend own experince and ask guidance from master only. Turiya is bit easier than nirguna. --- On Thu, 4/6/09, jitendra kumar <jtin_ja wrote: jitendra kumar <jtin_ja Re: Is the world just a dream? Thursday, 4 June, 2009, 1:59 PM HARE RAM, HARE KRISHAN i understand, Superconsciousness is heigher than consciousness, in which i never thought something in my life, but i saw from superconsciousness state. Eg sometimes Lord Sai Baba answer my questions in dream and that answer comes true after sometime when i experience practically. I treat that it was the reflection of my consciousness into superconsciousness. After all superconsciousness exist in me but we do not reach there becaus Explore and discover exciting holidays and getaways with India Travel http://in.travel./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 ji, The defination of anything in spirituality is an individual opinion.The defination changes with respect to person nature When a flower or any material object is seen by eyes, its lovely flower. when its seen by a microscope, its internal fluids, grains, colours etc are seen, when the same further deeply seen at the end its seen that it is simple atomic structure. where proton , neutron and positron are present. The same way a common person sees everything as an individual personality.There fore he makes differentiates as mine, others, etc A so called sadhus who ran away from sansara sees the world as full of flesh, blood, bones etc which are worth for hate. A turiya stage person sees nothing but self pure ego and always blissed. A realised person only sees the pure ego within every one and hence never differentiates between donkey, dog, human , and tree and all. When one says the world is dream, it might mean reality to other. Its proprtional.and depends on where he stands and from where he is looking at it from. When one is close to brahman, the material world is missing and hence material world is an illusion and its untrue , there only brahman is true. but vice versa when one is in pure maya, brahman is not visible and therefore untrue and can not be said as existing, here brahman is untrue and maya is true. Its proportional. The fact is without maya no brahman is there and vice versa. Its unresolved question how brahman can create maya or whether maya creates brahman? latter seems to be difficult. --- On Tue, 2/6/09, shanracer <no_reply > wrote: shanracer <no_reply > Is the world just a dream? Tuesday, 2 June, 2009, 12:45 PM Namaste, Many religious people say this world is just a dream(esp some Adwait schools)- God is dreaming, & we are characters in his imagination. Hence, this world isnt really real, its just an illusion, Maya. Is this true? If so, it brings the question- what is a dream? After all, for us, dreams are just impressions on our chitta, which come up when rational mind goes to sleep. So how does God dream? luv, shantnu Explore and discover exciting holidays and getaways with India Travel http://in.travel./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 Namaste all. Very thoughtful, nice verse from Brahma ji's prayers to Lord Krishna in the 14th Chapter of 10th Canto of Srimad Bhagavatam: tasmAd idaM jagad azeSam asat-svarUpaM svapnAbham asta-dhiSaNaM puru-duHkha-duHkham tvayy eva nitya-sukha-bodha-tanAv anante mAyAta udyad api yat sad ivAvabhAti " Therefore, this universe, which is completely unreal, like a dream, devoid of consciousness, and full of abundant and endless misery, which arises out of Your Maya potency, still appears to be real because it is situated in You, who are unlimited and possess a body that is eternal, full of joy and knowledge. " (SB 10.14.22) The Gita Press follows Sridhar Swami most closely. Here is what they have: " Therefore, appearing and vanishing in Your infinite Self, the embodiment of eternal bliss and consciousness, by virtue of Your Maya, this entire universe, which is unreal by nature like a dream, devoid of intelligence and full of abundant and endless misery, appears as real. " Jaya Sri Radhe! > Namaste. I have been thinking of starting this topic, as I have posted some messages in the past at this link: > > http://forums.delphiforums.com/jayaradhey/messages?msg=36.47 > > Will share later many more verses given in Srimad Bhagavatam in this regard. > > Many religious people say this world is just a dream (esp some Adwait schools)- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.