Guest guest Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 Namaste, How do we find the balance between surrender to God, vs personal effort? The problem with surrender is, how do we know we are surrendering to God, & not some Tamasic forces? Especially in Kaliyug, when such forces are much stronger & try to pervert our mind? luv, shantnu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 > How do we find the balance between surrender to God, vs personal effort? > > The problem with surrender is, how do we know we are surrendering to God, & not some Tamasic forces? Especially in Kaliyug, when such forces are much stronger & try to pervert our mind? ---------------------------- HARE RAM, HARE KRISHNA 1. why do we surrender the God. who surrender the God. We reach in a stage during the journey of our soul in which we feel pain pain and pain only due to indebtation of negative karmas. Now it depends upon the kind of person, if one has faith in God or knowledble about the God or doing Karmas for the God than that person thinks that pain is because of his own negative karmas done in previous lives too. He would realize in that stage that this world is for pain only ultimately. That person may surrender the God to get out of pain. Another person in same state may think that pain is given by the God and will start blaming the God and would start doing sin to get out of pain. He may get out of the pain through earning happiness by giving pain to others but He will continously strenghten His impure ego. That person is spritually ignorant person and do not have any faith in God. He never had conection with the God. 2. What we can surrrender to the God. We can surrender the asset, earned by us, to the God. And we have earned the assets in the form of Samskar (good or Bad/ Good and Bad). Personnel efforts are made for building Samskar and surrender is done for giving up the Sanskars to the God. 3. How can we surrender to the God The process of surrender should be quasistatic and must be in such a way that you are not giving too much pain to yourslef. This pain which you feel in surrendering your samskar should be infinitesimal. The method of surrendering the samskar should be in the form of vrat, which ultimately would change your vratti and it will upgrade yourself. Surrendering of samskar means you have started giving your time to the God in the begining in the form of sadhana eg pooja, meditation or doing karmas in rememberance of God etc..........,or whatever method suits to you for remembering the God, without having any expectation of the result of your sadhana. Then you would start giving more time in remembering the God.....BEEJ TO BO HI GAYA WHEN YOU HAVE DECIDED WITH STRONG DESIRE THAT YOU HAVE TO ATTAIN THE GOD.... Move slowly slowly .... Than at one stage you will start living with the God and not with the Samskar. You will do work but you will feel that you are not doing anything and not earning anything because everything belongs to the God Himself. HARE RAM, HARE RAM, RAM RAM, HARE HARE, HARE KRISHNA, HARE KRISHNA, KRISHNA KRISHNA, HARE HARE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2009 Report Share Posted November 6, 2009 OM NAMONARAYANAYA Venerable Shantnuji , Personally I think " surrender " is easy and desirable.When I surrender I concede I can not deal with the problem or the issue..I acknowlege my limitations . I still use human effort only to prove to the lord that my surrender is not out of laziness or unwillingness.. I therefore " work hard to surrender " ijswamy ~SWAMY http://gjnanaswarup.spaces.live.com/blog/ --- On Thu, 11/5/09, shanracer <no_reply > wrote: shanracer <no_reply > Surrender, or effort? Thursday, November 5, 2009, 3:37 AM  Namaste, How do we find the balance between surrender to God, vs personal effort? The problem with surrender is, how do we know we are surrendering to God, & not some Tamasic forces? Especially in Kaliyug, when such forces are much stronger & try to pervert our mind? luv, shantnu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2009 Report Share Posted November 6, 2009 , " J.SWAMY IRAGAVARAPU " <jiragavarapu wrote: > > OM NAMONARAYANAYA > Venerable Shantnuji , > Personally I think " surrender " is easy and desirable.When I Thanks Swamiji & Jituji. When surrendering to God, most peoples ego takes control " I am surrendering " . But isnt the purpose of surrender to go beyond this whole concept of " I " ? love, Shantnu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2009 Report Share Posted November 6, 2009 OMNAMONARAYANAYA Venerable Shantnuji and Jituji Surrendering totally giving up  " I " is very difficult and for that one has to work hard Work hardest to lose ego and total surrender is the ultimate step to achieve bliss. I solicit better view from seior sadhaks ijswamy ~SWAMY http://gjnanaswarup.spaces.live.com/blog/ --- On Fri, 11/6/09, shanracer <no_reply > wrote: shanracer <no_reply > Re: Surrender, or effort? Friday, November 6, 2009, 3:48 AM  @ s.com, " J.SWAMY IRAGAVARAPU " <jiragavarapu@ ...> wrote: > > OM NAMONARAYANAYA > Venerable Shantnuji , > Personally I think " surrender " is easy and desirable.When I Thanks Swamiji & Jituji. When surrendering to God, most peoples ego takes control " I am surrendering " . But isnt the purpose of surrender to go beyond this whole concept of " I " ? love, Shantnu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 6, 2009 Report Share Posted November 6, 2009 > When surrendering to God, most peoples ego takes control " I am surrendering " . But isnt the purpose of surrender to go beyond this whole concept of " I " ? > > ---- Sir Ji The ego of surrender to the God may a very big thing and may be nothing. If that ego is very strong in me that i have surrendered to the God than i am freed from so many Maya forces in the begining itself. Generally People surrender themselves to the God WITH no power of surrenderness. And their surrender is vague. Though Lord do not mind it that you have committed that you are surrendered the God but you are doing all those what are as per your samskars. The ego of surrenderness is directly proposanal to the samskar given up to the God. FOR your question this kind of ego is basically required for Mokhsha and in the end you leave this ego too. By the way i am trying to create that ego since long but ................ HARE RAM, HARE RAM, RAM RAM, HARE HARE, HARE KRISHNA, HARE KRISHNA, KRISHNA KRISHNA, HARE HARE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2009 Report Share Posted November 7, 2009 , " jitendra k " <jtin_ja wrote: > > The ego of surrender to the God may a very big thing and may be >nothing. If that ego is very strong in me that i have surrendered to Thanks Jituji for the lovely answer. Are you trying to say we must have an ego in order to surrender, as it is only the ego that surrenders to God? luv, shantnu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2009 Report Share Posted November 10, 2009 HARE RAM, HARE KRISHNA > Thanks Jituji for the lovely answer. Are you trying to say we must have an ego in order to surrender, as it is only the ego that surrenders to God? ............................ HARE RAM, HARE KRISHNA Yes Sir we should have ego to surrender the God. And the energy of that ego should be greater than the sanskar which you are surrendering. Eg we take vrat on particular day. Having fast on a day means we are surrendering,( no fruits should be desired for that vrat) the samskar of taking food on that day to teh Lord. Hence the ego of having vrat is heiger than the samskar of taking food on that day. One more thing i would like to share that having fast on a particular day in the begining would be a part of ego when you are under the samskar as said above. But when one day in this life or beyound life when you will meet with a situation that you are required to be hungry on that day for the sake of the world than having fast on that day in this situation would be treated as Love. HARE RAM, HARE RAM, RAM RAM, HARE HARE, HARE KRISHNA, HARE KRISHNA, KRISHNA KRISHNA, HARE HARE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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