Guest guest Posted August 22, 2008 Report Share Posted August 22, 2008 Namaste Tijana, Thank you for a nice exposition. What you wrote is well-taken. > That is why chastity and bramacarya has always been> considered the highest virtue. No YOga can happen without chastity. That is absolutely correct. Brahmacharya and control of one's sexual thoughts is quite needed to make spiritual progress. If anybody maintains brahmacharya for one year while performing a 45 minute homam everyday or meditating with Gayatri mantra (or some other mantra) for 3 hours everyday, definitely he/she will cross some important hurdles and make some good progress. > It is clear why it is even more important for women to be chaste and> pious considering the strength of Moon and Venus in her body-gross and> causal. Chastity and brahmacharya are *equally important* for men and women to make spiritual progress. But the level of difficulty one experiences in controlling the mind depends on various factors such as gender and, more importantly, mental conditioning acquired from previous lives. > At least, Somannath drekana should be checked for the period of poojas> to see how the dasas support celibacy vow that is usually required in> the cases of sadhanas whose aim is spiritual elevation. Well, two relevant points: (1) The astrology we know and understand is imperfect without a doubt. Even knowledge taught unambiguously by Maharshi Parasara is so misunderstood in this age. Then what to speak of knowledge not found in the available teachings of Parasara and available in the "secrets" of various paramparas? It is quite prone to corruptions and misunderstanding. Can we *rely* on it? (2) Astrology, even when understood perfectly, only predicts the predisposition at a given time due to the dynamics of *previous* actions (karmas). The dynamics of previous actions decides under what kind of circumstances one has to operate now. Those circumstances can place *limitations* on what actions can be performed *now*. Depending on the seriousness of previous actions deciding the current circumstances, the limitations can be either mere challenges or serious handicaps. But, in most cases, there are multiple actions possible currently. Horoscope only decides the situations faced now. The actions performed *now* are based on *free will* exerted now, which is NOT captured by the horoscope. If there is one good thing to use free will for, spiritual progress is definitely *the* thing. One should push one's free will to the extreme when it comes to spiritual progress. It is worth it! Forget somanatha drekkana and other tenets of astrology. When the inspiration comes from within, just boldly take a vow, pray to god and your guru (if you have no guru, think of me or my Guru Dr Manish Pandit) and do your best to keep the vow. * * * Even if one cannot keep brahmacharya, one can still do spiritual practices like homam and japam. It will atleast keep one floating (i.e. not sinking). Basically, one will keep accumulating shakti (purity) and keep consuming it. So purification is slow. But atleast there is no further impurification. With brahmacharya, one can actually start accumulating shakti and purify oneself much faster. * * * Regarding women doing sadhanas: A great Vedic scholar known as Upasani maharaj lived at the time of Shirdi Sai Baba, about 100 years back. He was learned in several Vedas and Upanishads and did tremendous sadhana. Once he realized Self, he threw away his orthodoxy and went against the customs of the time boldly. He went and lived in Harijanwada (untouchables colony), swept the floors there and forced the Brahmins from Brahmanawada (Brahmins colony) who revered him highly to come *there* if they wanted to see him! He opened a Vedic school for women and taught them chanting Vedic mantras and performing traditional yajnas. He gave women of all births sacred thread and initiated them into vedic mantras and yajnas. When Shridi Sai Baba saw him oneday, he said "Upasani is God Himself. Today we will do pooja to Upasani!" and made his disciples do a pooja to Upasani maharaj. A temple run by women stands in the place of Upasani maharaj, a few miles away from Shirdi. If anyone goes to Shirdi, it is a good idea to go to that temple. Though it has no rush, it has very nice energy. It is a great place to meditate. Also, Krishna temple at Alandi near Pune where Sant Jnaneshwar Maharaj went into underground samadhi 700 years back (believed to be there even now) has a tremendous level of spiritual energy. It is also a great place for productive meditation. Best regards,NarasimhaDo a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homamDo Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpanaSpirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org sohamsa , "Tijana Damjanovic" <tijanadamjanovic wrote:>> om krishna guru> Dear Ana and other members of the thread,> > Difference exists and it makes the world go round, which is perfectly> fine. After it is understood properly, no pots and pans will be needed> to define anyones role or place under the sun...that shines the same> to one and all. > Shrimad Devi Bhagavatam (one of the Upapuranas) states that sexual> urge is much stronger in the case of women. This is not surprising as> sexual urge is produced and governed by the liquid fluctuation in the> body (watter, blood, semen and hormones in the first place). This> fluctuation is much higher in woman`s body due to the predominance of> jala tatva in her body governed by planets Moon and Venus. These two> planets are also responsible for the producing of the ojas (the> finniest energetic product of our body that makes the brain function> properly, it is often understood as a vigor, vitality and procreative> power). In general, this means that women can produce more ojas than man.> How is this related to poojas and spirituality?> Sexual energy, or sexual thoughts, are being transformed into ojas in> the process of yoga. The process of yoga as one of its aim has lifting> of the ojas from its storage in the primal chakra and its storing in> the brain. The more ojas in the brain the prettier, smarter and more> spiritual we are. But this lifting of the ojas can be done ONLY by> chaste ones. That is why chastity and bramacarya has always been> considered the highest virtue. No YOga can happen without chastity. It> is clear why it is even more important for women to be chaste and> pious considering the strength of Moon and Venus in her body-gross and> causal.> Without chastity, yogic pratice can lead into a mental disorder as> ojas and prana directly influence the work of the brain centres. Thus> it is crucial how demanding and serious the homam or pooja in> question, or any other, is. Prohibition during the monthly cycle is> based upon this also-increasing of the jala tatva and the sexual urge.> At least, Somannath drekana should be checked for the period of poojas> to see how the dasas support celibacy vow that is usually required in> the cases of sadhanas whose aim is spiritual elevation. > The approaches to the final truth may be numerous and different, but> all of them must find their path through the Sushumna. The one who> claims that this path is hidden or blocked to women simply lacks ojas> in his/her brain.> Regards,> Tijana Damjanovic> > P.S. Ana, odakle si? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2008 Report Share Posted August 23, 2008 Dear Sir That was another great chain of mails about brahmacharya. The paragraph you wrote about about pushing free will to the extreme is so true! It reminds me of a personal incident. About two years back, I had the chance coincidental meeting with a man, a yogi, and possibly the most spiritually advanced being I have met till date. Those days I was furious trying to learn jyotish and apply it whereever i can for ever act I can. When I prostrated infront of him, he asked me a question which I found very intriguing. He said, "what if you show you chart to the greatest living astrologer on earth and he says, seeing the chart, that however hard you try you wont be able to make any significant spiritual progress, will you stop your puja-paath?".. That question really confused me then and it still does quite often. That is why that sentence of yours gave me a clue to what the answer might be. Chart or no chart, I still have some freewill, that is what I believe. Happy janmasthami! -Regards Rajarshi "This above all: to thine own self be true!" - Hamlet--- On Sat, 23/8/08, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr wrote: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr Importance of Brahmacharyasohamsa , , sivacharya Date: Saturday, 23 August, 2008, 7:13 AM Namaste Tijana, Thank you for a nice exposition. What you wrote is well-taken. > That is why chastity and bramacarya has always been> considered the highest virtue. No YOga can happen without chastity. That is absolutely correct. Brahmacharya and control of one's sexual thoughts is quite needed to make spiritual progress. If anybody maintains brahmacharya for one year while performing a 45 minute homam everyday or meditating with Gayatri mantra (or some other mantra) for 3 hours everyday, definitely he/she will cross some important hurdles and make some good progress. > It is clear why it is even more important for women to be chaste and> pious considering the strength of Moon and Venus in her body-gross and> causal. Chastity and brahmacharya are *equally important* for men and women to make spiritual progress. But the level of difficulty one experiences in controlling the mind depends on various factors such as gender and, more importantly, mental conditioning acquired from previous lives. > At least, Somannath drekana should be checked for the period of poojas> to see how the dasas support celibacy vow that is usually required in> the cases of sadhanas whose aim is spiritual elevation. Well, two relevant points: (1) The astrology we know and understand is imperfect without a doubt. Even knowledge taught unambiguously by Maharshi Parasara is so misunderstood in this age. Then what to speak of knowledge not found in the available teachings of Parasara and available in the "secrets" of various paramparas? It is quite prone to corruptions and misunderstanding. Can we *rely* on it? (2) Astrology, even when understood perfectly, only predicts the predisposition at a given time due to the dynamics of *previous* actions (karmas). The dynamics of previous actions decides under what kind of circumstances one has to operate now. Those circumstances can place *limitations* on what actions can be performed *now*. Depending on the seriousness of previous actions deciding the current circumstances, the limitations can be either mere challenges or serious handicaps. But, in most cases, there are multiple actions possible currently. Horoscope only decides the situations faced now. The actions performed *now* are based on *free will* exerted now, which is NOT captured by the horoscope. If there is one good thing to use free will for, spiritual progress is definitely *the* thing. One should push one's free will to the extreme when it comes to spiritual progress. It is worth it! Forget somanatha drekkana and other tenets of astrology. When the inspiration comes from within, just boldly take a vow, pray to god and your guru (if you have no guru, think of me or my Guru Dr Manish Pandit) and do your best to keep the vow. * * * Even if one cannot keep brahmacharya, one can still do spiritual practices like homam and japam. It will atleast keep one floating (i.e. not sinking). Basically, one will keep accumulating shakti (purity) and keep consuming it. So purification is slow. But atleast there is no further impurification. With brahmacharya, one can actually start accumulating shakti and purify oneself much faster. * * * Regarding women doing sadhanas: A great Vedic scholar known as Upasani maharaj lived at the time of Shirdi Sai Baba, about 100 years back. He was learned in several Vedas and Upanishads and did tremendous sadhana. Once he realized Self, he threw away his orthodoxy and went against the customs of the time boldly. He went and lived in Harijanwada (untouchables colony), swept the floors there and forced the Brahmins from Brahmanawada (Brahmins colony) who revered him highly to come *there* if they wanted to see him! He opened a Vedic school for women and taught them chanting Vedic mantras and performing traditional yajnas. He gave women of all births sacred thread and initiated them into vedic mantras and yajnas. When Shridi Sai Baba saw him oneday, he said "Upasani is God Himself. Today we will do pooja to Upasani!" and made his disciples do a pooja to Upasani maharaj. A temple run by women stands in the place of Upasani maharaj, a few miles away from Shirdi. If anyone goes to Shirdi, it is a good idea to go to that temple. Though it has no rush, it has very nice energy. It is a great place to meditate. Also, Krishna temple at Alandi near Pune where Sant Jnaneshwar Maharaj went into underground samadhi 700 years back (believed to be there even now) has a tremendous level of spiritual energy. It is also a great place for productive meditation. Best regards,Narasimha------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homamDo Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpanaSpirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdomFree Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- sohamsa@ .com, "Tijana Damjanovic" <tijanadamjanovic@ ...> wrote:>> om krishna guru> Dear Ana and other members of the thread,> > Difference exists and it makes the world go round, which is perfectly> fine. After it is understood properly, no pots and pans will be needed> to define anyones role or place under the sun...that shines the same> to one and all. > Shrimad Devi Bhagavatam (one of the Upapuranas) states that sexual> urge is much stronger in the case of women. This is not surprising as> sexual urge is produced and governed by the liquid fluctuation in the> body (watter, blood, semen and hormones in the first place). This> fluctuation is much higher in woman`s body due to the predominance of> jala tatva in her body governed by planets Moon and Venus. These two> planets are also responsible for the producing of the ojas (the> finniest energetic product of our body that makes the brain function> properly, it is often understood as a vigor, vitality and procreative> power). In general, this means that women can produce more ojas than man.> How is this related to poojas and spirituality?> Sexual energy, or sexual thoughts, are being transformed into ojas in> the process of yoga. The process of yoga as one of its aim has lifting> of the ojas from its storage in the primal chakra and its storing in> the brain. The more ojas in the brain the prettier, smarter and more> spiritual we are. But this lifting of the ojas can be done ONLY by> chaste ones. That is why chastity and bramacarya has always been> considered the highest virtue. No YOga can happen without chastity. It> is clear why it is even more important for women to be chaste and> pious considering the strength of Moon and Venus in her body-gross and> causal.> Without chastity, yogic pratice can lead into a mental disorder as> ojas and prana directly influence the work of the brain centres. Thus> it is crucial how demanding and serious the homam or pooja in> question, or any other, is. Prohibition during the monthly cycle is> based upon this also-increasing of the jala tatva and the sexual urge.> At least, Somannath drekana should be checked for the period of poojas> to see how the dasas support celibacy vow that is usually required in> the cases of sadhanas whose aim is spiritual elevation. > The approaches to the final truth may be numerous and different, but> all of them must find their path through the Sushumna. The one who> claims that this path is hidden or blocked to women simply lacks ojas> in his/her brain.> Regards,> Tijana Damjanovic> > P.S. Ana, odakle si? Download prohibited? No problem. CHAT from any browser, without download. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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