Guest guest Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 Dear Members I was hearing of a famous sentence attributed to Swami Ramdas who had told Shivaji " hindavi swarajya whave...hi shrrenchi ichcha " .. Which means, to have a Hindu Rastra is God's desire. Is it really God's desire? Will such a thing ever happen? Inspite of having so many spiritual super giants born in this land, hinduism and Sanatan Dharma has suffered such terribly at the hands of foreigners. I wonder why. Kindly provide your learned views on the same. I am curious to know what others think. -Regards Rajarshi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 Its Kaliyug. I dont think that India will be a Hindu Rashtra in any one of us's lifetime.Hindu religious studies have taken more advance stages and results in foreignland. Nothing wrong in it, after all the origin is " Sanatan Dharm " for whole mankind. Only as of now we are not able to sow its seeds in its birthland. JituOn Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 3:14 PM, rajarshi14 <rajarshi14 wrote: Dear Members I was hearing of a famous sentence attributed to Swami Ramdas who had told Shivaji " hindavi swarajya whave...hi shrrenchi ichcha " .. Which means, to have a Hindu Rastra is God's desire. Is it really God's desire? Will such a thing ever happen? Inspite of having so many spiritual super giants born in this land, hinduism and Sanatan Dharma has suffered such terribly at the hands of foreigners. I wonder why. Kindly provide your learned views on the same. I am curious to know what others think. -Regards Rajarshi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 Hi, Please forgive me as my views differ on this subject. Religion is to be kept separate from state. I am sure we never aspired to be a country like our neighbor Pakistan or Iran or Vatican. Job of government is to maintain order and provide equal opportunities for all. Religion is to provide spiritual Guidance. We don't want to mix path of spirituality with lure of power. It will corrupt both, the religion and the politics. They are better separate. Regards. , Jitendra Trivedi <trivedijv wrote: > > Its Kaliyug. I dont think that India will be a Hindu Rashtra in any one of > us's lifetime. > > Hindu religious studies have taken more advance stages and results in > foreignland. Nothing wrong in it, after all the origin is " Sanatan Dharm " > for whole mankind. Only as of now we are not able to sow its seeds in its > birthland. > > Jitu > > On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 3:14 PM, rajarshi14 <rajarshi14 wrote: > > > Dear Members > > > > I was hearing of a famous sentence attributed to Swami Ramdas who had > > told Shivaji " hindavi swarajya whave...hi shrrenchi ichcha " .. > > > > Which means, to have a Hindu Rastra is God's desire. Is it really > > God's desire? Will such a thing ever happen? > > > > Inspite of having so many spiritual super giants born in this land, > > hinduism and Sanatan Dharma has suffered such terribly at the hands of > > foreigners. I wonder why. > > > > Kindly provide your learned views on the same. I am curious to know > > what others think. > > > > -Regards > > Rajarshi > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 Namaste, Modern religions like Christianity and Islam almost completely wiped out native religions wherever they went (e.g. countries in Africa, South America, America etc). However, despite foreign invasion and complete foreign control of India for a millennium, Hinduism is still basically doing ok. True, some damage has been done, but it is still standing tall and firm enough. Isn't it amazing? In fact, Hinduism is a word coined by outsiders. To Hindus, the correct term is " sanatana dharma " , i.e. perennial spirit of righteousness. By definition, it is perennial. I am firmly convinced that it cannot be destroyed. Even if it seems close to extinction, it will come back up. That is the nature of this dharma. I am not worried about Sanatana dharma being damaged or destroyed. I will continue to discharge what *I* believe nature expects from *me* and what I believe is *my* dharma, without any worry whatsoever that sanatana dharma is in some kind of danger of extinction. However, such a belief is vital for some people to discharge *their* dharma and hence we have some people driven by that sense of danger and the resulting fear and anger. That is ok too. * * * Sadguru Samartha Ramadas is not an ordinary soul. He is born with an amsa of Lord Hanuman. His words may be slightly misunderstood. To somebody like him, it would not matter whether a nation calls itself Hindu or secular or whatever. What would matter is whether dharma is followed or not. Right now, we do not have sanatana dharma being followed in any country, in secular India or in Hindu Nepal or in many other countries following secularism or various religions. If it is indeed God's wish that sanatana dharma be established in the world, it will happen when its time comes. Best regards, Narasimha Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org - " rajarshi14 " <rajarshi14 Wednesday, January 28, 2009 6:14 AM Hindu Rastra > Dear Members > > I was hearing of a famous sentence attributed to Swami Ramdas who had > told Shivaji " hindavi swarajya whave...hi shrrenchi ichcha " .. > > Which means, to have a Hindu Rastra is God's desire. Is it really > God's desire? Will such a thing ever happen? > > Inspite of having so many spiritual super giants born in this land, > hinduism and Sanatan Dharma has suffered such terribly at the hands of > foreigners. I wonder why. > > Kindly provide your learned views on the same. I am curious to know > what others think. > > -Regards > Rajarshi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 Namaste Very true indeed. Hinduism has faced some of the severest assults across histroy from various groups of invaders, we do not have a central religious authority governing all Hindus and yet Hinduism exists inspite of severe persecution that it had faced from other religions. It is truely amazing. And this too is correct, as you said, Sanatan Dharma can never perish. Nature is with him who follows this dharma. Yet, when I see people and there are plenty of them, trying to malign, belittle or delibetaly spread misinformation and disrespect for Hinduism, it gets a little too much to bear. And then I wonder, inspite of so many great great souls having incarnated in this holy land, why does Sanatan Dharma have to go through such phases. Maybe it is the disease of the age we live in. One feels frustated and angry at how things are going and feel like doing something about it, yet we do not what needs to be done. Nor do we know whether we are even capable of doing anything. All this just makes me more dejected and wonder at Nature's plans. By the way, Nepal is now officially a "secular" country. -Regards Rajarshi The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra--- On Thu, 29/1/09, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr wrote: Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr Re: Hindu Rastra Date: Thursday, 29 January, 2009, 4:25 AM Namaste,Modern religions like Christianity and Islam almost completely wiped out native religions wherever they went (e.g. countries in Africa, South America, America etc). However, despite foreign invasion and complete foreign control of India for a millennium, Hinduism is still basically doing ok. True, some damage has been done, but it is still standing tall and firm enough. Isn't it amazing?In fact, Hinduism is a word coined by outsiders. To Hindus, the correct term is "sanatana dharma", i.e. perennial spirit of righteousness. By definition, it is perennial. I am firmly convinced that it cannot be destroyed. Even if it seems close to extinction, it will come back up. That is the nature of this dharma. I am not worried about Sanatana dharma being damaged or destroyed.I will continue to discharge what *I* believe nature expects from *me* and what I believe is *my* dharma, without any worry whatsoever that sanatana dharma is in some kind of danger of extinction. However, such a belief is vital for some people to discharge *their* dharma and hence we have some people driven by that sense of danger and the resulting fear and anger. That is ok too.* * *Sadguru Samartha Ramadas is not an ordinary soul. He is born with an amsa of Lord Hanuman. His words may be slightly misunderstood.To somebody like him, it would not matter whether a nation calls itself Hindu or secular or whatever. What would matter is whether dharma is followed or not.Right now, we do not have sanatana dharma being followed in any country, in secular India or in Hindu Nepal or in many other countries following secularism or various religions.If it is indeed God's wish that sanatana dharma be established in the world, it will happen when its time comes.Best regards,Narasimha------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homamDo Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpanaSpirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdomFree Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.orgSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - - "rajarshi14" <rajarshi14 (AT) (DOT) co.in><>Wednesday, January 28, 2009 6:14 AM Hindu Rastra> Dear Members>> I was hearing of a famous sentence attributed to Swami Ramdas who had> told Shivaji "hindavi swarajya whave...hi shrrenchi ichcha"..>> Which means, to have a Hindu Rastra is God's desire. Is it really> God's desire? Will such a thing ever happen?>> Inspite of having so many spiritual super giants born in this land,> hinduism and Sanatan Dharma has suffered such terribly at the hands of> foreigners. I wonder why.>> Kindly provide your learned views on the same. I am curious to know> what others think.>> -Regards> Rajarshi Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 Namaste ! >Hinduism is a word coined by outsiders. To Hindus, the correct term >is " sanatana dharma " , i.e. perennial spirit of righteousness Intrestingly, last week i was in Oman and i had a same discussion with one of the client's representative. He was Aarab national and wanted to know something about Hindu religeon. First thing i told him that 'Hindu' is a foreign word and none of our scripture uses this word. *** This is my long time belief that Sanaatan Dharma will never perish. my logic is simple. in the recorded history, People from Sanaatan Dharma has never attacked the other religion. The glorious example (which i am very proud of quoting) is Paarasi Community. They came to India for saving their community and religeon and our people niether rejected them nor influenced them to convert in to our religeon. they flourished in our country in trade. *** When Sanaatan Dharma was in great danger, Lord sent Shivaaji to control it. earlier Addi Shankara camedown for it. Now it is our responsibility to see to it that we live its value in our life. and we need not forget the famous assurance " Sambhavaami Yuge yuge! " but is everybody's duty to do their bit so that this glorious Tradition of Sanaatan Dharam never gets diminished. best Regards, Utpal , rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14 wrote: > > Namaste >  > Very true indeed. Hinduism has faced some of the severest assults across histroy from various groups of invaders, we do not have a central religious authority governing all Hindus and yet Hinduism exists inspite of severe persecution that it had faced from other religions. It is truely amazing. >  > And this too is correct, as you said, Sanatan Dharma can never perish. Nature is with him who follows this dharma. Yet, when I see people and there are plenty of them, trying to malign, belittle or delibetaly spread misinformation and disrespect for Hinduism, it gets a little too much to bear. And then I wonder, inspite of so many great great souls having incarnated in this holy land, why does Sanatan Dharma have to go through such phases. >  > Maybe it is the disease of the age we live in. One feels frustated and angry at how things are going and feel like doing something about it, yet we do not what needs to be done. Nor do we know whether we are even capable of doing anything. All this just makes me more dejected and wonder at Nature's plans. >  > By the way, Nepal is now officially a " secular " country. >  > -Regards >  Rajarshi >  >  > > >  > > The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra > > --- On Thu, 29/1/09, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr wrote: > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr > Re: Hindu Rastra > > Thursday, 29 January, 2009, 4:25 AM Namaste, > > Modern religions like Christianity and Islam almost completely wiped out > native religions wherever they went (e.g. countries in Africa, South > America, America etc). However, despite foreign invasion and complete > foreign control of India for a millennium, Hinduism is still basically doing > ok. True, some damage has been done, but it is still standing tall and firm > enough. Isn't it amazing? > > In fact, Hinduism is a word coined by outsiders. To Hindus, the correct term > is " sanatana dharma " , i.e. perennial spirit of righteousness. By definition, > it is perennial. I am firmly convinced that it cannot be destroyed. Even if > it seems close to extinction, it will come back up. That is the nature of > this dharma. I am not worried about Sanatana dharma being damaged or > destroyed. > > I will continue to discharge what *I* believe nature expects from *me* and > what I believe is *my* dharma, without any worry whatsoever that sanatana > dharma is in some kind of danger of extinction. However, such a belief is > vital for some people to discharge *their* dharma and hence we have some > people driven by that sense of danger and the resulting fear and anger. That > is ok too. > > * * * > > Sadguru Samartha Ramadas is not an ordinary soul. He is born with an amsa of > Lord Hanuman. His words may be slightly misunderstood. > > To somebody like him, it would not matter whether a nation calls itself > Hindu or secular or whatever. What would matter is whether dharma is > followed or not. > > Right now, we do not have sanatana dharma being followed in any country, in > secular India or in Hindu Nepal or in many other countries following > secularism or various religions. > > If it is indeed God's wish that sanatana dharma be established in the world, > it will happen when its time comes. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > - > " rajarshi14 " <rajarshi14 (AT) (DOT) co.in> > <> > Wednesday, January 28, 2009 6:14 AM > Hindu Rastra > > > Dear Members > > > > I was hearing of a famous sentence attributed to Swami Ramdas who had > > told Shivaji " hindavi swarajya whave...hi shrrenchi ichcha " .. > > > > Which means, to have a Hindu Rastra is God's desire. Is it really > > God's desire? Will such a thing ever happen? > > > > Inspite of having so many spiritual super giants born in this land, > > hinduism and Sanatan Dharma has suffered such terribly at the hands of > > foreigners. I wonder why. > > > > Kindly provide your learned views on the same. I am curious to know > > what others think. > > > > -Regards > > Rajarshi > > > > > > > > > > Connect with friends all over the world. Get India Messenger at http://in.messenger./?wm=n/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 Namaste Utpal ji Yes you are so correct. I consider Shivaji Maharaj to be one of the best things that happened to Hinduism when it was needed most. A blessing from Ma Durga Herself. Infact recently I had been reading on some history of India and I realized that had it not been for Shivaji Maharaj inspired by his Guru Swami Ramdas, places like Kasi, Prayag and Mathura would have become Mecca and Medina. And you are also correct that we must all do out part to see that this glorious tradition of Sanatan Dharma is never diminished. But the question is, what is it that one can do at an individual level? How does one know what is the best course of action? I keep pondering over these things and I get confused and frustated. Infact since the time I started doing homa regularly, these questions keep goign around in my mind endlessly. It was nice reading your mail. -Regards Rajarshi The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra--- On Thu, 29/1/09, utpal pathak <vedic_pathak wrote: utpal pathak <vedic_pathak Re: Hindu Rastra Date: Thursday, 29 January, 2009, 6:37 PM Namaste !>Hinduism is a word coined by outsiders. To Hindus, the correct term >is "sanatana dharma", i.e. perennial spirit of righteousnessIntrestingly, last week i was in Oman and i had a same discussion with one of the client's representative. He was Aarab national and wanted to know something about Hindu religeon. First thing i told him that 'Hindu' is a foreign word and none of our scripture uses this word.***This is my long time belief that Sanaatan Dharma will never perish. my logic is simple. in the recorded history, People from Sanaatan Dharma has never attacked the other religion. The glorious example (which i am very proud of quoting) is Paarasi Community. They came to India for saving their community and religeon and our people niether rejected them nor influenced them to convert in to our religeon. they flourished in our country in trade.***When Sanaatan Dharma was in great danger, Lord sent Shivaaji to control it. earlier Addi Shankara camedown for it. Now it is our responsibility to see to it that we live its value in our life. and we need not forget the famous assurance "Sambhavaami Yuge yuge!"but is everybody's duty to do their bit so that this glorious Tradition of Sanaatan Dharam never gets diminished.best Regards,Utpal , rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14@ ...> wrote:>> Namaste>  > Very true indeed. Hinduism has faced some of the severest assults across histroy from various groups of invaders, we do not have a central religious authority governing all Hindus and yet Hinduism exists inspite of severe persecution that it had faced from other religions. It is truely amazing.>  > And this too is correct, as you said, Sanatan Dharma can never perish. Nature is with him who follows this dharma. Yet, when I see people and there are plenty of them, trying to malign, belittle or delibetaly spread misinformation and disrespect for Hinduism, it gets a little too much to bear. And then I wonder, inspite of so many great great souls having incarnated in this holy land, why does Sanatan Dharma have to go through such phases.>  > Maybe it is the disease of the age we live in. One feels frustated and angry at how things are going and feel like doing something about it, yet we do not what needs to be done. Nor do we know whether we are even capable of doing anything. All this just makes me more dejected and wonder at Nature's plans.>  > By the way, Nepal is now officially a "secular" country. >  > -Regards>  Rajarshi>  >  > > >  > > The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra> > --- On Thu, 29/1/09, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr wrote:> > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr> Re: Hindu Rastra> > Thursday, 29 January, 2009, 4:25 AM> > > > > > > Namaste,> > Modern religions like Christianity and Islam almost completely wiped out > native religions wherever they went (e.g. countries in Africa, South > America, America etc). However, despite foreign invasion and complete > foreign control of India for a millennium, Hinduism is still basically doing > ok. True, some damage has been done, but it is still standing tall and firm > enough. Isn't it amazing?> > In fact, Hinduism is a word coined by outsiders. To Hindus, the correct term > is "sanatana dharma", i.e. perennial spirit of righteousness. By definition, > it is perennial. I am firmly convinced that it cannot be destroyed. Even if > it seems close to extinction, it will come back up. That is the nature of > this dharma. I am not worried about Sanatana dharma being damaged or > destroyed.> > I will continue to discharge what *I* believe nature expects from *me* and > what I believe is *my* dharma, without any worry whatsoever that sanatana > dharma is in some kind of danger of extinction. However, such a belief is > vital for some people to discharge *their* dharma and hence we have some > people driven by that sense of danger and the resulting fear and anger. That > is ok too.> > * * *> > Sadguru Samartha Ramadas is not an ordinary soul. He is born with an amsa of > Lord Hanuman. His words may be slightly misunderstood.> > To somebody like him, it would not matter whether a nation calls itself > Hindu or secular or whatever. What would matter is whether dharma is > followed or not.> > Right now, we do not have sanatana dharma being followed in any country, in > secular India or in Hindu Nepal or in many other countries following > secularism or various religions.> > If it is indeed God's wish that sanatana dharma be established in the world, > it will happen when its time comes.> > Best regards,> Narasimha> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana> Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > - > "rajarshi14" <rajarshi14@ . co.in>> <>> Wednesday, January 28, 2009 6:14 AM> Hindu Rastra> > > Dear Members> >> > I was hearing of a famous sentence attributed to Swami Ramdas who had> > told Shivaji "hindavi swarajya whave...hi shrrenchi ichcha"..> >> > Which means, to have a Hindu Rastra is God's desire. Is it really> > God's desire? Will such a thing ever happen?> >> > Inspite of having so many spiritual super giants born in this land,> > hinduism and Sanatan Dharma has suffered such terribly at the hands of> > foreigners. I wonder why.> >> > Kindly provide your learned views on the same. I am curious to know> > what others think.> >> > -Regards> > Rajarshi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Connect with friends all over the world. Get India Messenger at http://in.messenger ./ ?wm=n/> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 Dear Rajarshiji/Utpalji,Namaskaaram,Though Shivaaji Mahaaraja's contribution to Hinduism is sterling and undebatable-he had Samrtha Raamdaasa as his guru who kindled in him an ambition after explaining him the Kshaatra Dharma -this Commentary is a very famous Grantha : Daasa Bodha in Maraathi.Of course-Shivaaji Mahaaraja's mother Jeejabai was no less inspiring !IMHO- Hinduism in places like Northern Indian region like Mathura,as mentioned by Rajarshiji were saved from the Islamic tirade by Sikh Gurus like Guru Gobind Singhji who fought the iconoclasts at a very tender age of Nine years ! Just Nine years !!! While assuming leadership of Sikhs after his father Guru Arjan Devji was executed while trying to save Hindus of Kashmir and the then undivided Punjab.He sacrificed Four Son trying to save Sikhs and Hindus from forcible adoption of another religion.His father Arjan Devji. As a Hindu I feel very sad when people jest at Sikhs forgetting the debt we owe to the Sikh Gurus. But again that is God's and Guru's will !As Utpalji passionately writes: we have a history of centuries falling prey to the divide and rule policy adopted by all foreign invaders.Like Paarasis(Jarthosti or Zoroastrians,as they are called)- ask any Jew or Bene Israeli and She will tell that India is the only land where they were not persecuted but allowed to settle down peacefully !May we all be guided to tolerance and live a life of " Sahanaavavatu Sahanau Bhunaktu.... humble regards --- On Fri, 1/30/09, rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14 wrote:rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14Re: Re: Hindu Rastra Date: Friday, January 30, 2009, 5:20 AM Namaste Utpal ji Yes you are so correct. I consider Shivaji Maharaj to be one of the best things that happened to Hinduism when it was needed most. A blessing from Ma Durga Herself. Infact recently I had been reading on some history of India and I realized that had it not been for Shivaji Maharaj inspired by his Guru Swami Ramdas, places like Kasi, Prayag and Mathura would have become Mecca and Medina. And you are also correct that we must all do out part to see that this glorious tradition of Sanatan Dharma is never diminished. But the question is, what is it that one can do at an individual level? How does one know what is the best course of action? I keep pondering over these things and I get confused and frustated. Infact since the time I started doing homa regularly, these questions keep goign around in my mind endlessly. It was nice reading your mail. -Regards Rajarshi The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra--- On Thu, 29/1/09, utpal pathak <vedic_pathak wrote: utpal pathak <vedic_pathak Re: Hindu RastraDate: Thursday, 29 January, 2009, 6:37 PM Namaste !>Hinduism is a word coined by outsiders. To Hindus, the correct term >is "sanatana dharma", i.e. perennial spirit of righteousnessIntrestingly, last week i was in Oman and i had a same discussion with one of the client's representative. He was Aarab national and wanted to know something about Hindu religeon. First thing i told him that 'Hindu' is a foreign word and none of our scripture uses this word.***This is my long time belief that Sanaatan Dharma will never perish. my logic is simple. in the recorded history, People from Sanaatan Dharma has never attacked the other religion. The glorious example (which i am very proud of quoting) is Paarasi Community. They came to India for saving their community and religeon and our people niether rejected them nor influenced them to convert in to our religeon. they flourished in our country in trade.***When Sanaatan Dharma was in great danger, Lord sent Shivaaji to control it. earlier Addi Shankara camedown for it. Now it is our responsibility to see to it that we live its value in our life.. and we need not forget the famous assurance "Sambhavaami Yuge yuge!"but is everybody's duty to do their bit so that this glorious Tradition of Sanaatan Dharam never gets diminished.best Regards,Utpal , rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14@ ...> wrote:>> Namaste>  > Very true indeed. Hinduism has faced some of the severest assults across histroy from various groups of invaders, we do not have a central religious authority governing all Hindus and yet Hinduism exists inspite of severe persecution that it had faced from other religions. It is truely amazing.>  > And this too is correct, as you said, Sanatan Dharma can never perish. Nature is with him who follows this dharma. Yet, when I see people and there are plenty of them, trying to malign, belittle or delibetaly spread misinformation and disrespect for Hinduism, it gets a little too much to bear. And then I wonder, inspite of so many great great souls having incarnated in this holy land, why does Sanatan Dharma have to go through such phases.>  > Maybe it is the disease of the age we live in. One feels frustated and angry at how things are going and feel like doing something about it, yet we do not what needs to be done. Nor do we know whether we are even capable of doing anything. All this just makes me more dejected and wonder at Nature's plans.>  > By the way, Nepal is now officially a "secular" country. >  > -Regards>  Rajarshi>  >  > > >  > > The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra> > --- On Thu, 29/1/09, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr wrote:> > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr> Re: Hindu Rastra> > Thursday, 29 January, 2009, 4:25 AM> > > > > > > Namaste,> > Modern religions like Christianity and Islam almost completely wiped out > native religions wherever they went (e.g. countries in Africa, South > America, America etc). However, despite foreign invasion and complete > foreign control of India for a millennium, Hinduism is still basically doing > ok. True, some damage has been done, but it is still standing tall and firm > enough. Isn't it amazing?> > In fact, Hinduism is a word coined by outsiders. To Hindus, the correct term > is "sanatana dharma", i.e. perennial spirit of righteousness. By definition, > it is perennial. I am firmly convinced that it cannot be destroyed. Even if > it seems close to extinction, it will come back up. That is the nature of > this dharma. I am not worried about Sanatana dharma being damaged or > destroyed.> > I will continue to discharge what *I* believe nature expects from *me* and > what I believe is *my* dharma, without any worry whatsoever that sanatana > dharma is in some kind of danger of extinction. However, such a belief is > vital for some people to discharge *their* dharma and hence we have some > people driven by that sense of danger and the resulting fear and anger. That > is ok too.> > * * *> > Sadguru Samartha Ramadas is not an ordinary soul. He is born with an amsa of > Lord Hanuman. His words may be slightly misunderstood.> > To somebody like him, it would not matter whether a nation calls itself > Hindu or secular or whatever. What would matter is whether dharma is > followed or not.> > Right now, we do not have sanatana dharma being followed in any country, in > secular India or in Hindu Nepal or in many other countries following > secularism or various religions.> > If it is indeed God's wish that sanatana dharma be established in the world, > it will happen when its time comes.> > Best regards,> Narasimha> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana> Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > ----- Original Message ----- > "rajarshi14" <rajarshi14@ . co.in>> <>> Wednesday, January 28, 2009 6:14 AM> Hindu Rastra> > > Dear Members> >> > I was hearing of a famous sentence attributed to Swami Ramdas who had> > told Shivaji "hindavi swarajya whave...hi shrrenchi ichcha"..> >> > Which means, to have a Hindu Rastra is God's desire. Is it really> > God's desire? Will such a thing ever happen?> >> > Inspite of having so many spiritual super giants born in this land,> > hinduism and Sanatan Dharma has suffered such terribly at the hands of> > foreigners. I wonder why.> >> > Kindly provide your learned views on the same. I am curious to know> > what others think.> >> > -Regards> > Rajarshi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Connect with friends all over the world. Get India Messenger at http://in.messenger ./ ?wm=n/> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 Dear Amitji Thank you for the mail. Indeed the contribution of the Sikhs are immense. There is no doubt about it. Specially the supreme sacrifice done by Guru Teg Bahadur. And rightly said, we all owe a debt to them, all of us. Some months back I was reading a book on Sri Ramakrishna in Bengali, and there it was mentioned Thakur, during a conversation had said, the Sikh Gurus were Rishis who had incarnated. -Regards Rajarshi The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra--- On Fri, 30/1/09, Amit Trivedi <sonat64 wrote: Amit Trivedi <sonat64Re: Re: Hindu Rastra Date: Friday, 30 January, 2009, 7:07 PM Dear Rajarshiji/Utpalji,Namaskaaram,Though Shivaaji Mahaaraja's contribution to Hinduism is sterling and undebatable- he had Samrtha Raamdaasa as his guru who kindled in him an ambition after explaining him the Kshaatra Dharma -this Commentary is a very famous Grantha : Daasa Bodha in Maraathi.Of course-Shivaaji Mahaaraja's mother Jeejabai was no less inspiring !IMHO- Hinduism in places like Northern Indian region like Mathura,as mentioned by Rajarshiji were saved from the Islamic tirade by Sikh Gurus like Guru Gobind Singhji who fought the iconoclasts at a very tender age of Nine years ! Just Nine years !!! While assuming leadership of Sikhs after his father Guru Arjan Devji was executed while trying to save Hindus of Kashmir and the then undivided Punjab.He sacrificed Four Son trying to save Sikhs and Hindus from forcible adoption of another religion.His father Arjan Devji. As a Hindu I feel very sad when people jest at Sikhs forgetting the debt we owe to the Sikh Gurus. But again that is God's and Guru's will !As Utpalji passionately writes: we have a history of centuries falling prey to the divide and rule policy adopted by all foreign invaders.Like Paarasis(Jarthosti or Zoroastrians, as they are called)- ask any Jew or Bene Israeli and She will tell that India is the only land where they were not persecuted but allowed to settle down peacefully !May we all be guided to tolerance and live a life of " Sahanaavavatu Sahanau Bhunaktu.... humble regards --- On Fri, 1/30/09, rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14 (AT) (DOT) co.in>Re: Re: Hindu RastraFriday, January 30, 2009, 5:20 AM Namaste Utpal ji Yes you are so correct. I consider Shivaji Maharaj to be one of the best things that happened to Hinduism when it was needed most. A blessing from Ma Durga Herself. Infact recently I had been reading on some history of India and I realized that had it not been for Shivaji Maharaj inspired by his Guru Swami Ramdas, places like Kasi, Prayag and Mathura would have become Mecca and Medina. And you are also correct that we must all do out part to see that this glorious tradition of Sanatan Dharma is never diminished. But the question is, what is it that one can do at an individual level? How does one know what is the best course of action? I keep pondering over these things and I get confused and frustated. Infact since the time I started doing homa regularly, these questions keep goign around in my mind endlessly. It was nice reading your mail. -Regards Rajarshi The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra--- On Thu, 29/1/09, utpal pathak <vedic_pathak@ > wrote: utpal pathak <vedic_pathak@ > Re: Hindu Rastra@ . .comThursday, 29 January, 2009, 6:37 PM Namaste !>Hinduism is a word coined by outsiders. To Hindus, the correct term >is "sanatana dharma", i.e. perennial spirit of righteousnessIntrestingly, last week i was in Oman and i had a same discussion with one of the client's representative. He was Aarab national and wanted to know something about Hindu religeon. First thing i told him that 'Hindu' is a foreign word and none of our scripture uses this word.***This is my long time belief that Sanaatan Dharma will never perish. my logic is simple. in the recorded history, People from Sanaatan Dharma has never attacked the other religion. The glorious example (which i am very proud of quoting) is Paarasi Community. They came to India for saving their community and religeon and our people niether rejected them nor influenced them to convert in to our religeon. they flourished in our country in trade.***When Sanaatan Dharma was in great danger, Lord sent Shivaaji to control it. earlier Addi Shankara camedown for it. Now it is our responsibility to see to it that we live its value in our life.. and we need not forget the famous assurance "Sambhavaami Yuge yuge!"but is everybody's duty to do their bit so that this glorious Tradition of Sanaatan Dharam never gets diminished.best Regards,Utpal , rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14@ ...> wrote:>> Namaste>  > Very true indeed. Hinduism has faced some of the severest assults across histroy from various groups of invaders, we do not have a central religious authority governing all Hindus and yet Hinduism exists inspite of severe persecution that it had faced from other religions. It is truely amazing.>  > And this too is correct, as you said, Sanatan Dharma can never perish. Nature is with him who follows this dharma. Yet, when I see people and there are plenty of them, trying to malign, belittle or delibetaly spread misinformation and disrespect for Hinduism, it gets a little too much to bear. And then I wonder, inspite of so many great great souls having incarnated in this holy land, why does Sanatan Dharma have to go through such phases.>  > Maybe it is the disease of the age we live in. One feels frustated and angry at how things are going and feel like doing something about it, yet we do not what needs to be done. Nor do we know whether we are even capable of doing anything. All this just makes me more dejected and wonder at Nature's plans.>  > By the way, Nepal is now officially a "secular" country. >  > -Regards>  Rajarshi>  >  > > >  > > The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra> > --- On Thu, 29/1/09, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr wrote:> > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr> Re: Hindu Rastra> > Thursday, 29 January, 2009, 4:25 AM> > > > > > > Namaste,> > Modern religions like Christianity and Islam almost completely wiped out > native religions wherever they went (e.g. countries in Africa, South > America, America etc). However, despite foreign invasion and complete > foreign control of India for a millennium, Hinduism is still basically doing > ok. True, some damage has been done, but it is still standing tall and firm > enough. Isn't it amazing?> > In fact, Hinduism is a word coined by outsiders. To Hindus, the correct term > is "sanatana dharma", i.e. perennial spirit of righteousness. By definition, > it is perennial. I am firmly convinced that it cannot be destroyed. Even if > it seems close to extinction, it will come back up. That is the nature of > this dharma. I am not worried about Sanatana dharma being damaged or > destroyed.> > I will continue to discharge what *I* believe nature expects from *me* and > what I believe is *my* dharma, without any worry whatsoever that sanatana > dharma is in some kind of danger of extinction. However, such a belief is > vital for some people to discharge *their* dharma and hence we have some > people driven by that sense of danger and the resulting fear and anger. That > is ok too.> > * * *> > Sadguru Samartha Ramadas is not an ordinary soul. He is born with an amsa of > Lord Hanuman. His words may be slightly misunderstood.> > To somebody like him, it would not matter whether a nation calls itself > Hindu or secular or whatever. What would matter is whether dharma is > followed or not.> > Right now, we do not have sanatana dharma being followed in any country, in > secular India or in Hindu Nepal or in many other countries following > secularism or various religions.> > If it is indeed God's wish that sanatana dharma be established in the world, > it will happen when its time comes.> > Best regards,> Narasimha> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana> Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > - > "rajarshi14" <rajarshi14@ . co.in>> <>> Wednesday, January 28, 2009 6:14 AM> Hindu Rastra> > > Dear Members> >> > I was hearing of a famous sentence attributed to Swami Ramdas who had> > told Shivaji "hindavi swarajya whave...hi shrrenchi ichcha"..> >> > Which means, to have a Hindu Rastra is God's desire. Is it really> > God's desire? Will such a thing ever happen?> >> > Inspite of having so many spiritual super giants born in this land,> > hinduism and Sanatan Dharma has suffered such terribly at the hands of> > foreigners. I wonder why.> >> > Kindly provide your learned views on the same. I am curious to know> > what others think.> >> > -Regards> > Rajarshi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Connect with friends all over the world. Get India Messenger at http://in.messenger ./ ?wm=n/> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Connect with friends all over the world. Get India Messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 Namaste Amitji, Very true. I mentioned name of Shivaji as he was having all that characteristics required to really create edifice from scratch. he possessed tact, shrewdness, maneuvering, velour, organizing ability, flexibility to respect situation, etc... and could create, Effectively, the Hindvi Swarajya during times of total Darkness. Shivaji could achieve that because he was mentored by Samarth Ramdas, Jija Mata and supported by sooooo many.. Bajiprabhu, Tanaji,Dadoji Kondadev, Murarbaji to name few. On the contrary, The Great Maharana Pratap, couldn't achieve for us what Shivaji achieved because of the contemporary Traitors in Rajputana land. Most infamous example is Mansingh. Disputes of Egoistic brave Rajput Kings has cost our motherland so horribly. Here, it is my personal opinion that Maharana actually could n't succeed in uniting The Rajput kings against the great Akabar. *** as you rightly mentioned, Sikhs must be highly respected. they have given their lives for saving Hindus. if they wouldn't have come forward voluntarily, I fear, what would have been left in Punjab area? and we crack jokes on them. I try my best not to entertain any jokes which are on Sardarjis. Arya Samaji movement of Swami Dayaananda Saraswati was one noteworthy thing happened which was also effective in checking conversion. *** Finally i mention here that Vedic Sanskruti (Sanaatan Dharama) has survived the test of times (Unlike Babylon, Greek culture) because of Spiritual strength. Spiritualist of all the level has born in this land in plenty every time, known & unknown. Ramdas was there so Shivaji came, Thakur, Vivekananda, Sainbaba, Raman Maharshi were there so we got Tilak maharaj, Sardar, Gandhiji, Subhash chandra, and band of people who struggled for Independence. lastly, if Sanaatan Dharma people, in the current times also doesn't care and doesn't invest their resources to Convert people from other faith, if they maintain this one principal steadfastly, lives spiritual life as much as possible, i am sure, Santan Dharma will never ever be finished. yours utpal , Amit Trivedi <sonat64 wrote: > > Dear Rajarshiji/Utpalji, > Namaskaaram, > Though Shivaaji Mahaaraja's contribution to Hinduism is sterling and undebatable-he had Samrtha Raamdaasa as his guru who kindled in him an ambition after explaining him the Kshaatra Dharma -this Commentary is a very famous Grantha : Daasa Bodha in Maraathi. > Of course-Shivaaji Mahaaraja's mother Jeejabai was no less inspiring ! > > IMHO- Hinduism in places like Northern Indian region like Mathura,as mentioned by Rajarshiji were saved from the Islamic tirade by Sikh Gurus like Guru Gobind Singhji who fought the iconoclasts at a very tender age of Nine years ! Just Nine years !!! While assuming leadership of Sikhs after his father Guru Arjan Devji was executed while trying to save Hindus of Kashmir and the then undivided Punjab.He sacrificed Four Son trying to save Sikhs and Hindus from forcible adoption of another religion.His father Arjan Devji.. As a Hindu I feel very sad when people jest at Sikhs forgetting the debt we owe to the Sikh Gurus. > But again that is God's and Guru's will ! > As Utpalji passionately writes: we have a history of centuries falling prey to the divide and rule policy adopted by all foreign invaders. > Like Paarasis(Jarthosti or Zoroastrians,as they are called)- ask any Jew or Bene Israeli and She will tell that India is the only land where they were not persecuted but allowed to settle down peacefully ! > May we all be guided to tolerance and live a life of " Sahanaavavatu Sahanau Bhunaktu.... > > humble regards > > > --- On Fri, 1/30/09, rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14 wrote: > rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14 > Re: Re: Hindu Rastra > > Friday, January 30, 2009, 5:20 AM > > > Namaste Utpal ji > > Yes you are so correct. I consider Shivaji Maharaj to be one of the best things that happened to Hinduism when it was needed most. A blessing from Ma Durga Herself. > > Infact recently I had been reading on some history of India and I realized that had it not been for Shivaji Maharaj inspired by his Guru Swami Ramdas, places like Kasi, Prayag and Mathura would have become Mecca and Medina. > > And you are also correct that we must all do out part to see that this glorious tradition of Sanatan Dharma is never diminished. But the question is, what is it that one can do at an individual level? How does one know what is the best course of action? > > I keep pondering over these things and I get confused and frustated. Infact since the time I started doing homa regularly, these questions keep goign around in my mind endlessly. > > It was nice reading your mail. > > -Regards > Rajarshi > > > > > The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra > > --- On Thu, 29/1/09, utpal pathak <vedic_pathak wrote: > > utpal pathak <vedic_pathak > Re: Hindu Rastra > > Thursday, 29 January, 2009, 6:37 PM > > > > > > Namaste ! > > >Hinduism is a word coined by outsiders. To Hindus, the correct term > >is " sanatana dharma " , i.e. perennial spirit of righteousness > > Intrestingly, last week i was in Oman and i had a same discussion > with one of the client's representative. He was Aarab national and > wanted to know something about Hindu religeon. First thing i told him > that 'Hindu' is a foreign word and none of our scripture uses this > word. > > *** > > This is my long time belief that Sanaatan Dharma will never perish. > my logic is simple. in the recorded history, People from Sanaatan > Dharma has never attacked the other religion. The glorious example > (which i am very proud of quoting) is Paarasi Community. They came to > India for saving their community and religeon and our people niether > rejected them nor influenced them to convert in to our religeon. they > flourished in our country in > trade. > > *** > > When Sanaatan Dharma was in great danger, Lord sent Shivaaji to > control it. earlier Addi Shankara camedown for it. Now it is our > responsibility to see to it that we live its value in our life. and > we need not forget the famous assurance " Sambhavaami Yuge yuge! " > > but is everybody's duty to do their bit so that this glorious > Tradition of Sanaatan Dharam never gets diminished. > > best Regards, > > Utpal > > , rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14@ ...> > wrote: > > > > Namaste > >  > > Very true indeed. Hinduism has faced some of the severest assults > across histroy from various groups of invaders, we do not have a > central religious authority governing all Hindus and yet Hinduism > exists inspite of severe persecution that it had faced from other > > religions. It is truely amazing. > >  > > And this too is correct, as you said, Sanatan Dharma can never > perish. Nature is with him who follows this dharma. Yet, when I see > people and there are plenty of them, trying to malign, belittle or > delibetaly spread misinformation and disrespect for Hinduism, it gets > a little too much to bear. And then I wonder, inspite of so many > great great souls having incarnated in this holy land, why does > Sanatan Dharma have to go through such phases. > >  > > Maybe it is the disease of the age we live in. One feels frustated > and angry at how things are going and feel like doing something about > it, yet we do not what needs to be done. Nor do we know whether we > are even capable of doing anything. All this just makes me more > dejected and wonder at Nature's plans. > >  > > By the way, Nepal is now officially a " secular " > country. > >  > > -Regards > >  Rajarshi > >  > >  > > > > > >  > > > > The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra > > > > --- On Thu, 29/1/09, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@> wrote: > > > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@> > > Re: Hindu Rastra > > > > Thursday, 29 January, 2009, 4:25 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > Modern religions like Christianity and Islam almost completely > wiped out > > native religions wherever they went (e.g. countries in Africa, > South > > America, America etc). However, despite foreign invasion and > complete > > foreign control of India for a millennium, Hinduism > is still > basically doing > > ok. True, some damage has been done, but it is still standing tall > and firm > > enough. Isn't it amazing? > > > > In fact, Hinduism is a word coined by outsiders. To Hindus, the > correct term > > is " sanatana dharma " , i.e. perennial spirit of righteousness. By > definition, > > it is perennial. I am firmly convinced that it cannot be destroyed. > Even if > > it seems close to extinction, it will come back up. That is the > nature of > > this dharma. I am not worried about Sanatana dharma being damaged > or > > destroyed. > > > > I will continue to discharge what *I* believe nature expects from > *me* and > > what I believe is *my* dharma, without any worry whatsoever that > sanatana > > dharma is in some kind of danger of extinction. However, such a > belief is > > vital for some people to discharge *their* dharma and hence we have > > some > > people driven by that sense of danger and the resulting fear and > anger. That > > is ok too. > > > > * * * > > > > Sadguru Samartha Ramadas is not an ordinary soul. He is born with > an amsa of > > Lord Hanuman. His words may be slightly misunderstood. > > > > To somebody like him, it would not matter whether a nation calls > itself > > Hindu or secular or whatever. What would matter is whether dharma > is > > followed or not. > > > > Right now, we do not have sanatana dharma being followed in any > country, in > > secular India or in Hindu Nepal or in many other countries > following > > secularism or various religions. > > > > If it is indeed God's wish that sanatana dharma be established in > the world, > > it will happen when its time comes. > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > ------------ --------- --------- > --------- --------- --------- - > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > - > > > " rajarshi14 " <rajarshi14@ . co.in> > > <> > > Wednesday, January 28, 2009 6:14 AM > > Hindu Rastra > > > > > Dear Members > > > > > > I was hearing of a famous sentence attributed to Swami Ramdas who > had > > > told Shivaji " hindavi swarajya whave...hi shrrenchi ichcha " .. > > > > > > Which means, to have a Hindu Rastra is God's desire. Is it really > > > God's desire? Will such a thing ever happen? > > > > > > Inspite of having so many spiritual super giants born in this > land, > > > hinduism and Sanatan Dharma has suffered such terribly at the > hands of > > > foreigners. I wonder why. > > > > > > Kindly provide your learned views on the same. I am curious to > know > > > what others think. > > > > > > -Regards > > > > Rajarshi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Connect with friends all over the world. Get India > Messenger at http://in.messenger ./ ?wm=n/ > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 Namaste Rajrshi ji, >the Sikh Gurus were Rishis who had incarnated i think, Thakur was of opinion that Sikh Gurus were incarnations of King Janak. regards, utpal , rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14 wrote: > > Dear Amitji >  > Thank you for the mail. Indeed the contribution of the Sikhs are immense. There is no doubt about it. Specially the supreme sacrifice done by Guru Teg Bahadur. And rightly said, we all owe a debt to them, all of us. >  > Some months back I was reading a book on Sri Ramakrishna in Bengali, and there it was mentioned Thakur, during a conversation had said, the Sikh Gurus were Rishis who had incarnated. >  > -Regards >  Rajarshi > > > > The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra > > --- On Fri, 30/1/09, Amit Trivedi <sonat64 wrote: > > Amit Trivedi <sonat64 > Re: Re: Hindu Rastra > > Friday, 30 January, 2009, 7:07 PM > > > > Dear Rajarshiji/Utpalji, > Namaskaaram, > Though Shivaaji Mahaaraja's contribution to Hinduism is sterling and undebatable- he had Samrtha Raamdaasa as his guru who kindled in him an ambition after explaining him the Kshaatra Dharma -this Commentary is a very famous Grantha : Daasa Bodha in Maraathi. > Of course-Shivaaji Mahaaraja's mother Jeejabai was no less inspiring ! > > IMHO- Hinduism in places like Northern Indian region like Mathura,as mentioned by Rajarshiji were saved from the Islamic tirade by Sikh Gurus like Guru Gobind Singhji who fought the iconoclasts at a very tender age of Nine years ! Just Nine years !!! While assuming leadership of Sikhs after his father Guru Arjan Devji was executed while trying to save Hindus of Kashmir and the then undivided Punjab.He sacrificed Four Son trying to save Sikhs and Hindus from forcible adoption of another religion.His father Arjan Devji. As a Hindu I feel very sad when people jest at Sikhs forgetting the debt we owe to the Sikh Gurus. > But again that is God's and Guru's will ! > As Utpalji passionately writes: we have a history of centuries falling prey to the divide and rule policy adopted by all foreign invaders. > Like Paarasis(Jarthosti or Zoroastrians, as they are called)- ask any Jew or Bene Israeli and She will tell that India is the only land where they were not persecuted but allowed to settle down peacefully ! > May we all be guided to tolerance and live a life of " Sahanaavavatu Sahanau Bhunaktu.... > > humble regards >     > > --- On Fri, 1/30/09, rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > > rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14 (AT) (DOT) co.in> > Re: Re: Hindu Rastra > > Friday, January 30, 2009, 5:20 AM > Namaste Utpal ji >  > Yes you are so correct. I consider Shivaji Maharaj to be one of the best things that happened to Hinduism when it was needed most. A blessing from Ma Durga Herself. >  > Infact recently I had been reading on some history of India and I realized that had it not been for Shivaji Maharaj inspired by his Guru Swami Ramdas, places like Kasi, Prayag and Mathura would have become Mecca and Medina. >  > And you are also correct that we must all do out part to see that this glorious tradition of Sanatan Dharma is never diminished. But the question is, what is it that one can do at an individual level? How does one know what is the best course of action? >  > I keep pondering over these things and I get confused and frustated. Infact since the time I started doing homa regularly, these questions keep goign around in my mind endlessly. >  > It was nice reading your mail. >  > -Regards >  Rajarshi > > >  > > The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra > > --- On Thu, 29/1/09, utpal pathak <vedic_pathak@ > wrote: > > utpal pathak <vedic_pathak@ > > Re: Hindu Rastra > @ . .com > Thursday, 29 January, 2009, 6:37 PM > > > > > > Namaste ! > > >Hinduism is a word coined by outsiders. To Hindus, the correct term > >is " sanatana dharma " , i.e. perennial spirit of righteousness > > Intrestingly, last week i was in Oman and i had a same discussion > with one of the client's representative. He was Aarab national and > wanted to know something about Hindu religeon. First thing i told him > that 'Hindu' is a foreign word and none of our scripture uses this > word. > > *** > > This is my long time belief that Sanaatan Dharma will never perish. > my logic is simple. in the recorded history, People from Sanaatan > Dharma has never attacked the other religion. The glorious example > (which i am very proud of quoting) is Paarasi Community. They came to > India for saving their community and religeon and our people niether > rejected them nor influenced them to convert in to our religeon. they > flourished in our country in trade. > > *** > > When Sanaatan Dharma was in great danger, Lord sent Shivaaji to > control it. earlier Addi Shankara camedown for it. Now it is our > responsibility to see to it that we live its value in our life.. and > we need not forget the famous assurance " Sambhavaami Yuge yuge! " > > but is everybody's duty to do their bit so that this glorious > Tradition of Sanaatan Dharam never gets diminished. > > best Regards, > > Utpal > > , rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14@ ...> > wrote: > > > > Namaste > >  > > Very true indeed. Hinduism has faced some of the severest assults > across histroy from various groups of invaders, we do not have a > central religious authority governing all Hindus and yet Hinduism > exists inspite of severe persecution that it had faced from other > religions. It is truely amazing. > >  > > And this too is correct, as you said, Sanatan Dharma can never > perish. Nature is with him who follows this dharma. Yet, when I see > people and there are plenty of them, trying to malign, belittle or > delibetaly spread misinformation and disrespect for Hinduism, it gets > a little too much to bear. And then I wonder, inspite of so many > great great souls having incarnated in this holy land, why does > Sanatan Dharma have to go through such phases. > >  > > Maybe it is the disease of the age we live in. One feels frustated > and angry at how things are going and feel like doing something about > it, yet we do not what needs to be done. Nor do we know whether we > are even capable of doing anything. All this just makes me more > dejected and wonder at Nature's plans. > >  > > By the way, Nepal is now officially a " secular " country. > >  > > -Regards > >  Rajarshi > >  > >  > > > > > >  > > > > The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra > > > > --- On Thu, 29/1/09, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@> wrote: > > > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@> > > Re: Hindu Rastra > > > > Thursday, 29 January, 2009, 4:25 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > Modern religions like Christianity and Islam almost completely > wiped out > > native religions wherever they went (e.g. countries in Africa, > South > > America, America etc). However, despite foreign invasion and > complete > > foreign control of India for a millennium, Hinduism is still > basically doing > > ok. True, some damage has been done, but it is still standing tall > and firm > > enough. Isn't it amazing? > > > > In fact, Hinduism is a word coined by outsiders. To Hindus, the > correct term > > is " sanatana dharma " , i.e. perennial spirit of righteousness. By > definition, > > it is perennial. I am firmly convinced that it cannot be destroyed. > Even if > > it seems close to extinction, it will come back up. That is the > nature of > > this dharma. I am not worried about Sanatana dharma being damaged > or > > destroyed. > > > > I will continue to discharge what *I* believe nature expects from > *me* and > > what I believe is *my* dharma, without any worry whatsoever that > sanatana > > dharma is in some kind of danger of extinction. However, such a > belief is > > vital for some people to discharge *their* dharma and hence we have > some > > people driven by that sense of danger and the resulting fear and > anger. That > > is ok too. > > > > * * * > > > > Sadguru Samartha Ramadas is not an ordinary soul. He is born with > an amsa of > > Lord Hanuman. His words may be slightly misunderstood. > > > > To somebody like him, it would not matter whether a nation calls > itself > > Hindu or secular or whatever. What would matter is whether dharma > is > > followed or not. > > > > Right now, we do not have sanatana dharma being followed in any > country, in > > secular India or in Hindu Nepal or in many other countries > following > > secularism or various religions. > > > > If it is indeed God's wish that sanatana dharma be established in > the world, > > it will happen when its time comes. > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > - > > " rajarshi14 " <rajarshi14@ . co.in> > > <> > > Wednesday, January 28, 2009 6:14 AM > > Hindu Rastra > > > > > Dear Members > > > > > > I was hearing of a famous sentence attributed to Swami Ramdas who > had > > > told Shivaji " hindavi swarajya whave...hi shrrenchi ichcha " .. > > > > > > Which means, to have a Hindu Rastra is God's desire. Is it really > > > God's desire? Will such a thing ever happen? > > > > > > Inspite of having so many spiritual super giants born in this > land, > > > hinduism and Sanatan Dharma has suffered such terribly at the > hands of > > > foreigners. I wonder why. > > > > > > Kindly provide your learned views on the same. I am curious to > know > > > what others think. > > > > > > -Regards > > > Rajarshi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Connect with friends all over the world. Get India > Messenger at http://in.messenger ./ ?wm=n/ > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. > > > > > > > > > Download prohibited? No problem. CHAT from any browser, without download. Go to http://in.webmessenger./ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 Dear Utpalbhai, Namaskaaram, Very aptly put comments on Sanaatan Dharma-and straight from heart,too.. One request to you and fellow forum members - please do not append 'ji.. Plain amit will be woderful. Humble regards, amit --- On Sat, 1/31/09, utpal pathak <vedic_pathak wrote: utpal pathak <vedic_pathak Re: Hindu Rastra Date: Saturday, January 31, 2009, 8:43 AMNamaste Amitji, Very true. I mentioned name of Shivaji as he was having all that characteristics required to really create edifice from scratch. he possessed tact, shrewdness, maneuvering, velour, organizing ability, flexibility to respect situation, etc... and could create, Effectively, the Hindvi Swarajya during times of total Darkness. Shivaji could achieve that because he was mentored by Samarth Ramdas, Jija Mata and supported by sooooo many.. Bajiprabhu, Tanaji,Dadoji Kondadev, Murarbaji to name few. On the contrary, The Great Maharana Pratap, couldn't achieve for us what Shivaji achieved because of the contemporary Traitors in Rajputana land. Most infamous example is Mansingh. Disputes of Egoistic brave Rajput Kings has cost our motherland so horribly. Here, it is my personal opinion that Maharana actually could n't succeed in uniting The Rajput kings against the great Akabar. *** as you rightly mentioned, Sikhs must be highly respected. they have given their lives for saving Hindus. if they wouldn't have come forward voluntarily, I fear, what would have been left in Punjab area? and we crack jokes on them. I try my best not to entertain any jokes which are on Sardarjis. Arya Samaji movement of Swami Dayaananda Saraswati was one noteworthy thing happened which was also effective in checking conversion. *** Finally i mention here that Vedic Sanskruti (Sanaatan Dharama) has survived the test of times (Unlike Babylon, Greek culture) because of Spiritual strength. Spiritualist of all the level has born in this land in plenty every time, known & unknown. Ramdas was there so Shivaji came, Thakur, Vivekananda, Sainbaba, Raman Maharshi were there so we got Tilak maharaj, Sardar, Gandhiji, Subhash chandra, and band of people who struggled for Independence. lastly, if Sanaatan Dharma people, in the current times also doesn't care and doesn't invest their resources to Convert people from other faith, if they maintain this one principal steadfastly, lives spiritual life as much as possible, i am sure, Santan Dharma will never ever be finished. yours utpal , Amit Trivedi <sonat64 wrote: > > Dear Rajarshiji/Utpalji, > Namaskaaram, > Though Shivaaji Mahaaraja's contribution to Hinduism is sterling and undebatable-he had Samrtha Raamdaasa as his guru who kindled in him an ambition after explaining him the Kshaatra Dharma -this Commentary is a very famous Grantha : Daasa Bodha in Maraathi. > Of course-Shivaaji Mahaaraja's mother Jeejabai was no less inspiring ! > > IMHO- Hinduism in places like Northern Indian region like Mathura,as mentioned by Rajarshiji were saved from the Islamic tirade by Sikh Gurus like Guru Gobind Singhji who fought the iconoclasts at a very tender age of Nine years ! Just Nine years !!! While assuming leadership of Sikhs after his father Guru Arjan Devji was executed while trying to save Hindus of Kashmir and the then undivided Punjab.He sacrificed Four Son trying to save Sikhs and Hindus from forcible adoption of another religion.His father Arjan Devji.. As a Hindu I feel very sad when people jest at Sikhs forgetting the debt we owe to the Sikh Gurus. > But again that is God's and Guru's will ! > As Utpalji passionately writes: we have a history of centuries falling prey to the divide and rule policy adopted by all foreign invaders. > Like Paarasis(Jarthosti or Zoroastrians,as they are called)- ask any Jew or Bene Israeli and She will tell that India is the only land where they were not persecuted but allowed to settle down peacefully ! > May we all be guided to tolerance and live a life of " Sahanaavavatu Sahanau Bhunaktu.... > > humble regards > > > --- On Fri, 1/30/09, rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14 wrote: > rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14 > Re: Re: Hindu Rastra > > Friday, January 30, 2009, 5:20 AM > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Utpal ji > > Yes you are so correct. I consider Shivaji Maharaj to be one of the best things that happened to Hinduism when it was needed most. A blessing from Ma Durga Herself. > > Infact recently I had been reading on some history of India and I realized that had it not been for Shivaji Maharaj inspired by his Guru Swami Ramdas, places like Kasi, Prayag and Mathura would have become Mecca and Medina. > > And you are also correct that we must all do out part to see that this glorious tradition of Sanatan Dharma is never diminished. But the question is, what is it that one can do at an individual level? How does one know what is the best course of action? > > I keep pondering over these things and I get confused and frustated. Infact since the time I started doing homa regularly, these questions keep goign around in my mind endlessly. > > It was nice reading your mail. > > -Regards > Rajarshi > > > > > The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra > > --- On Thu, 29/1/09, utpal pathak <vedic_pathak wrote: > > utpal pathak <vedic_pathak > Re: Hindu Rastra > > Thursday, 29 January, 2009, 6:37 PM > > > > > > Namaste ! > > >Hinduism is a word coined by outsiders. To Hindus, the correct term > >is "sanatana dharma", i.e. perennial spirit of righteousness > > Intrestingly, last week i was in Oman and i had a same discussion > with one of the client's representative. He was Aarab national and > wanted to know something about Hindu religeon. First thing i told him > that 'Hindu' is a foreign word and none of our scripture uses this > word. > > *** > > This is my long time belief that Sanaatan Dharma will never perish. > my logic is simple. in the recorded history, People from Sanaatan > Dharma has never attacked the other religion. The glorious example > (which i am very proud of quoting) is Paarasi Community. They came to > India for saving their community and religeon and our people niether > rejected them nor influenced them to convert in to our religeon. they > flourished in our country in > trade. > > *** > > When Sanaatan Dharma was in great danger, Lord sent Shivaaji to > control it. earlier Addi Shankara camedown for it. Now it is our > responsibility to see to it that we live its value in our life. and > we need not forget the famous assurance "Sambhavaami Yuge yuge!" > > but is everybody's duty to do their bit so that this glorious > Tradition of Sanaatan Dharam never gets diminished. > > best Regards, > > Utpal > > , rajarshi nandy <rajarshi14@ ...> > wrote: > > > > Namaste > >  > > Very true indeed. Hinduism has faced some of the severest assults > across histroy from various groups of invaders, we do not have a > central religious authority governing all Hindus and yet Hinduism > exists inspite of severe persecution that it had faced from other > > religions. It is truely amazing. > >  > > And this too is correct, as you said, Sanatan Dharma can never > perish. Nature is with him who follows this dharma. Yet, when I see > people and there are plenty of them, trying to malign, belittle or > delibetaly spread misinformation and disrespect for Hinduism, it gets > a little too much to bear. And then I wonder, inspite of so many > great great souls having incarnated in this holy land, why does > Sanatan Dharma have to go through such phases. > >  > > Maybe it is the disease of the age we live in. One feels frustated > and angry at how things are going and feel like doing something about > it, yet we do not what needs to be done. Nor do we know whether we > are even capable of doing anything. All this just makes me more > dejected and wonder at Nature's plans. > >  > > By the way, Nepal is now officially a "secular" > country. > >  > > -Regards > >  Rajarshi > >  > >  > > > > > >  > > > > The upsurge (of consciousness) is Bhairava - Shiva Sutra > > > > --- On Thu, 29/1/09, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@> wrote: > > > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr@> > > Re: Hindu Rastra > > > > Thursday, 29 January, 2009, 4:25 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > Modern religions like Christianity and Islam almost completely > wiped out > > native religions wherever they went (e.g. countries in Africa, > South > > America, America etc). However, despite foreign invasion and > complete > > foreign control of India for a millennium, Hinduism > is still > basically doing > > ok. True, some damage has been done, but it is still standing tall > and firm > > enough. Isn't it amazing? > > > > In fact, Hinduism is a word coined by outsiders. To Hindus, the > correct term > > is "sanatana dharma", i.e. perennial spirit of righteousness. By > definition, > > it is perennial. I am firmly convinced that it cannot be destroyed. > Even if > > it seems close to extinction, it will come back up. That is the > nature of > > this dharma. I am not worried about Sanatana dharma being damaged > or > > destroyed. > > > > I will continue to discharge what *I* believe nature expects from > *me* and > > what I believe is *my* dharma, without any worry whatsoever that > sanatana > > dharma is in some kind of danger of extinction. However, such a > belief is > > vital for some people to discharge *their* dharma and hence we have > > some > > people driven by that sense of danger and the resulting fear and > anger. That > > is ok too. > > > > * * * > > > > Sadguru Samartha Ramadas is not an ordinary soul. He is born with > an amsa of > > Lord Hanuman. His words may be slightly misunderstood. > > > > To somebody like him, it would not matter whether a nation calls > itself > > Hindu or secular or whatever. What would matter is whether dharma > is > > followed or not. > > > > Right now, we do not have sanatana dharma being followed in any > country, in > > secular India or in Hindu Nepal or in many other countries > following > > secularism or various religions. > > > > If it is indeed God's wish that sanatana dharma be established in > the world, > > it will happen when its time comes. > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > ------------ --------- --------- > --------- --------- --------- - > > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam > > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana > > Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > - > > > "rajarshi14" <rajarshi14@ . co.in> > > <> > > Wednesday, January 28, 2009 6:14 AM > > Hindu Rastra > > > > > Dear Members > > > > > > I was hearing of a famous sentence attributed to Swami Ramdas who > had > > > told Shivaji "hindavi swarajya whave...hi shrrenchi ichcha".. > > > > > > Which means, to have a Hindu Rastra is God's desire. Is it really > > > God's desire? Will such a thing ever happen? > > > > > > Inspite of having so many spiritual super giants born in this > land, > > > hinduism and Sanatan Dharma has suffered such terribly at the > hands of > > > foreigners. I wonder why. > > > > > > Kindly provide your learned views on the same. I am curious to > know > > > what others think. > > > > > > -Regards > > > > Rajarshi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Connect with friends all over the world. Get India > Messenger at http://in.messenger ./ ?wm=n/ > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. > --- || Om Shaantih Shaantih Shaantih || Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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