Guest guest Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 Namaskaar to all Gurus, esp Narasimha! First, not sure how -and how much -to thank you for your tireless services to provide us with the fantastic and improved version of JHORA!!! But, here's an expression of gratitude from an unseen student of yours! I have a question but am unsure whether this is the right forum to pose it -please forgive me, the transgression is unintentional. The Q: If our beliefs are firmly rooted in karma and of reincarnation [which I am absolutely], why then should we pray year after year for the departed soul/s? Given that the atman is itself indestructible, what is the necessity to annually set aside a day to perform " tharpanam " ? Isn't this rendered superfluous because of the soul's independent path, regardless of what other [mere] mortals think or do [whether or not related]? Unless the soul was destined to attain moksha, wouldn't the soul simply latch onto another body and be re-born? Anyone to proffer an answer please? Grateful! Venkat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2009 Report Share Posted January 28, 2009 Namaste, This is the right forum. Tarpana need not be performed only oneday a year. It can be a regular sadhana. It is not for giving moksha to a soul. It is for releasing a few negative attachments that are blocking a departed mind from going to higher lokas or take birth again. If one has rina (debt) with such a mind, the negative attachments and tendencies of that departed mind will influence one's mind too. Rituals like tarpana free the dearted mind from the blocking predispositions and also free one's mind of that influence. Here is an answer from the pitri tarpana manual: -------- " External rituals are meant to create the internal visualization needed to affect desirable internal changes in the long run. For example, one offers a full coconut into fire as poornaahuti (complete offering) at the end of a homam (fire ritual). This is symbolic of surrendering one's head or ego (sense of I-ness) to god and burning it in the fire of wisdom and becoming free from ego. As one keeps engaging in this act again and again, the visualization becomes stronger and stronger and ego is slowly reduced. " One important ritual of Hinduism is tarpana. Tarpana means " satisfying " or " satiating " . One acknowledges the debt one has to devas (gods), rishis (sages) and pitris (ancestral manes) and tries to satisfy them using this ritual. Just as gods are invoked in fire in a homam, pitris are invoked in water in this ritual, then held in the palm and released in a specific way conducive to freeing them. " One owes a lot to one's parents and ancestors. In modern scientific terms, one owes all of one's genetic characteristics to one's parents and ancestors. Each ancestor is actually present in the person as a genetic characteristic. In karmik terms, one inherits some karmas of one's parents and ancestors and each ancestor is actually present in the person as a kaarmik predisposition. The latter approach obviously extends to multiple lives and some karmik predisposition is inherited from the ancestors from a past life too, though they may not be related to one in this life. " By thinking of the deceased ancestors with gratitude and trying to give them an emancipation, one is actually trying to free oneself from various kaarmic predispositions that one has as a result of the rina (karmik debt) with several people. One can view this as an external event of satisfying and emancipating an external entity (a pitri). Alternately, one can view this as an internal event of satisfying and releasing an internal kaarmik predisposition. Ultimately, it is the latter. However, one needs to externalize first and perform external rituals, while thinking of what it means internally. This builds up one's visualization and slowly brings about internal changes and eventually the desired internal change itself. " -------- Best regards, Narasimha Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org - " shanvar4 " <shanvar4 Wednesday, January 28, 2009 10:28 AM Why Perform Pithri-Tharpanam? > Namaskaar to all Gurus, esp Narasimha! > > First, not sure how -and how much -to thank you for your tireless > services to provide us with the fantastic and improved version of > JHORA!!! But, here's an expression of gratitude from an unseen student > of yours! > > I have a question but am unsure whether this is the right forum to pose > it -please forgive me, the transgression is unintentional. > > The Q: If our beliefs are firmly rooted in karma and of reincarnation > [which I am absolutely], why then should we pray year after year for > the departed soul/s? > > Given that the atman is itself indestructible, what is the necessity to > annually set aside a day to perform " tharpanam " ? Isn't this rendered > superfluous because of the soul's independent path, regardless of what > other [mere] mortals think or do [whether or not related]? > > Unless the soul was destined to attain moksha, wouldn't the soul simply > latch onto another body and be re-born? > > Anyone to proffer an answer please? Grateful! > Venkat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2009 Report Share Posted January 31, 2009 Dear Sir,In our daily worship, it is not possible to do all rituals like- routine worship plus Homam plus Chandi path plus Japam plus Pitru tarpanam and other stotra pathas too. We have feeling to satisfy Pitrus. Can we just give some water Arghya by just pouring some one or three spoons water in the plate saying - Mam so and so Pitrum Tarpayami swadha, Mam so and so Matram tarpayami swadha and like (without Darbha and Vedmantras) ? Will it be suffice if we are doing this with great love and faith?Ashwin Rawal--- On Wed, 1/28/09, Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr wrote:Narasimha P.V.R. Rao <pvr Re: Why Perform Pithri-Tharpanam? Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2009, 10:55 PM Namaste, This is the right forum. Tarpana need not be performed only oneday a year. It can be a regular sadhana. It is not for giving moksha to a soul. It is for releasing a few negative attachments that are blocking a departed mind from going to higher lokas or take birth again. If one has rina (debt) with such a mind, the negative attachments and tendencies of that departed mind will influence one's mind too. Rituals like tarpana free the dearted mind from the blocking predispositions and also free one's mind of that influence. Here is an answer from the pitri tarpana manual: ------------ --------- --------- --------- -- "External rituals are meant to create the internal visualization needed to affect desirable internal changes in the long run. For example, one offers a full coconut into fire as poornaahuti (complete offering) at the end of a homam (fire ritual). This is symbolic of surrendering one's head or ego (sense of I-ness) to god and burning it in the fire of wisdom and becoming free from ego. As one keeps engaging in this act again and again, the visualization becomes stronger and stronger and ego is slowly reduced. "One important ritual of Hinduism is tarpana. Tarpana means "satisfying" or "satiating". One acknowledges the debt one has to devas (gods), rishis (sages) and pitris (ancestral manes) and tries to satisfy them using this ritual. Just as gods are invoked in fire in a homam, pitris are invoked in water in this ritual, then held in the palm and released in a specific way conducive to freeing them. "One owes a lot to one's parents and ancestors. In modern scientific terms, one owes all of one's genetic characteristics to one's parents and ancestors. Each ancestor is actually present in the person as a genetic characteristic. In karmik terms, one inherits some karmas of one's parents and ancestors and each ancestor is actually present in the person as a kaarmik predisposition. The latter approach obviously extends to multiple lives and some karmik predisposition is inherited from the ancestors from a past life too, though they may not be related to one in this life. "By thinking of the deceased ancestors with gratitude and trying to give them an emancipation, one is actually trying to free oneself from various kaarmic predispositions that one has as a result of the rina (karmik debt) with several people. One can view this as an external event of satisfying and emancipating an external entity (a pitri). Alternately, one can view this as an internal event of satisfying and releasing an internal kaarmik predisposition. Ultimately, it is the latter. However, one needs to externalize first and perform external rituals, while thinking of what it means internally. This builds up one's visualization and slowly brings about internal changes and eventually the desired internal change itself." ------------ --------- --------- --------- -- Best regards, Narasimha ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ homam Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAst rologer.org/ tarpana Spirituality: http://groups. / group/vedic- wisdom Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro. home.comcast. net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAst rologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagan nath.org ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - - "shanvar4" <shanvar4 > <> Wednesday, January 28, 2009 10:28 AM Why Perform Pithri-Tharpanam? > Namaskaar to all Gurus, esp Narasimha! > > First, not sure how -and how much -to thank you for your tireless > services to provide us with the fantastic and improved version of > JHORA!!! But, here's an expression of gratitude from an unseen student > of yours! > > I have a question but am unsure whether this is the right forum to pose > it -please forgive me, the transgression is unintentional. > > The Q: If our beliefs are firmly rooted in karma and of reincarnation > [which I am absolutely], why then should we pray year after year for > the departed soul/s? > > Given that the atman is itself indestructible, what is the necessity to > annually set aside a day to perform "tharpanam"? Isn't this rendered > superfluous because of the soul's independent path, regardless of what > other [mere] mortals think or do [whether or not related]? > > Unless the soul was destined to attain moksha, wouldn't the soul simply > latch onto another body and be re-born? > > Anyone to proffer an answer please? Grateful! > Venkat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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