Pronunciation (Kuja (Mars) homam manual available now)

January 30, 2009

Dear friends,

can somebody forward the devanagari.jpg file to my email. i couldn't

get it.

Regards,

Utpal

, " utpal pathak "

<vedic_pathak wrote:

>

> Namaste Narasimha Garu !!!

>

> >YOU will pronounce it as

> > " shav " . Please note that the second symbol in " shava " is

identical

> to the

> > first symbol in " vasha " . However, YOU end up pronouncing that

> symbol as " v "

>

> ***

> >South Indians have

> >their own corruptions, but this is a place where south Indians are

> >correct.

>

> while reading the above two paragraphs, i could feel your

displeasure

> and excitement. I am sorry if i gave a wrong impression by

mentioning

> the word 'South Indian' in my post. infact i am by nature against

all

> these differences of South-north, shaivaites-vaishnavites, brahmin-

> non brahmin etc.... i innocently asked you what was in my percieved

> knowledge. it was never to belittle people from some part of india

or

> to create any differences of SouthIndian or North indian. I

wouldn't

> even dream of that. we've had enough differences amongst ourselves

> which made us conquered race for nearly 2000 years.

>

> I thought that you, as a sanskrit scholar, would be the fittest

> person to shed light on the subject but I must say that you reacted

> passionately. you missed guilelessness in my post and instead gave

an

> impression that i was creating rift. you seems to have been pained

> by 'south indian' word.

>

> ***

>

> I would carefully look in to the attachment and come back to you

for

> any query.

>

> forgive me, if a Shishya shouldn't have written such words

>

> Spiritually yours,

>

> Utpal

>

> , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Utpal,

> >

> > The mispronunciation of consonants with " a " occurring at the end

of

> words is

> > so ingrained in your common sense that your understanding of

> Devanagari

> > script itself is filled with mistakes.

> >

> > Look at the enclosed picture (devanagari.jpg). It has six words -

> shava,

> > vasha, shav, vash, shiva and shiv. Each word is written in

> Devanagari script

> > and then in English.

> >

> > Though the first word in that picture is " shava " , YOU will

> pronounce it as

> > " shav " . Please note that the second symbol in " shava " is

identical

> to the

> > first symbol in " vasha " . However, YOU end up pronouncing that

> symbol as " v "

> > in the first word and as " va " in the second word. You pronounce

the

> same

> > symbol as " va " in some cases and as " v " in some cases. But please

> note that

> > Sanskrit is not like English and each symbol has a unique

> pronunciation. If

> > you pronounce correctly, that symbol is pronounced identically

> (as " va " ) in

> > both words. If you really want it to be " v " (without a), it

should

> be

> > written differently (as at the end of 3rd and 6th words in the

> picture).

> >

> > Please go through the six examples carefully to know how to write

> things in

> > Devanagari correctly.

> >

> > Bottomline: Things like " Raam " or " Shiv Uvaach " are wrong and

mean

> nothing

> > in Sanskrit. The Arabic influence on some modern Indian languages

> (e.g.

> > Hindi) that use the same script as Sanskrit corrupted people 's

> > pronunciation of Sanskrit. What are pronounced by people

as " Raam "

> and " Shiv

> > Uvaach " should actually be " Raama " and " Shiva Uvaacha " . South

> Indians have

> > their own corruptions, but this is a place where south Indians

are

> correct.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Narasimha

> >

> > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana

> > Spirituality:

> > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> >

> > -

> > " utpal pathak " <vedic_pathak@>

> >

> > Thursday, January 29, 2009 8:13 AM

> > Re: Kuja (Mars) homam manual available now

> >

> > > Rao Garu!!!

> > >

> > > I was always thinking that it is due to South Indian Accent,

> people

> > > of that part of india say Raama instead of Raam. Krishna

instead

> of

> > > Krishna.

> > >

> > > I've a explanation for that. In devanagari script, (Take

instance

> of

> > > Gita) it id written Krishn and not Krishna. another example is

> Durga

> > > Saptashati where it says " Shiv Uvvach " and not " Shiva Uvvach "

> > >

> > > please clear my doubts.

> > >

> > > Best Regards,

> > >

> > > Utpal

> > >

> > > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao "

<pvr@>

> > > wrote:

> > >>

> > >> Dear Hari,

> > >>

> > >> Repeating any combination of syllables with a focussed mind

will

> > > eventually do the trick on the mind. So you may do either.

> > >>

> > >> However, some combinations tried by others successfully in the

> past

> > > are better and faster.

> > >>

> > >> Regarding the specific mantra below: The words " raam " and " jay "

> > > (or " jai " ) have no meaning in Sanskrit. They should be " raama "

> > > and " jaya " respectively. Arabic has words mostly ending in

> consonants

> > > (i.e. no vowel " a " at the end of the word). That Arabic

influence

> > > made Indians change Sanskrit words to remove " a " at the end of

> > > words. " Jaya Raama " becomes " Jay Raam " .

> > >>

> > >> If you want your mantra to be meaningful in Sanskrit, please

> > > restore " a " at the end of words. The correct version of the

mantra

> > > is " Sree Raama Jaya Raama Jaya Jaya Raama " . You can add " Om " at

> the

> > > beginning.

> > >>

> > >> * * *

> > >>

> > >> On our India trip in the summer of 2008, I and my guru went to

> many

> > > temples. There was one remote temple in BriahdDwaraka that had

a

> nice

> > > level of spiritual vibrations. It is a temple of Hanuman and

> > > Makaradhwaja (Hanuman's son) together. Apparently some yogi did

> > > intense sadhana there for a few decades in the past (with the

> mantra

> > > you mentioned). The mantra above is written all over the walls

of

> the

> > > temple.

> > >>

> > >> Though that yogi is not there now, the vibrations created by

his

> > > sadhana are still there. We were quite impressed when we spent

> some

> > > time there. You have to take a boat to go from Dwaarakaa to

> > > BrihadDwaarakaa and then go inside the village (a few km from

the

> > > main Krishna temple at BrihadDwaarakaa). It is a very small

temple

> > > without any crowd, but has stronger spiritual energy than many

> famous

> > > temples. If any of you go to Dwaraka or Gujarat in general, I

> > > recommend visiting that temple and spending a couple of hours

> there.

> > >>

> > >> The mantra you gave reminded me of that temple.

> > >>

> > >> Best regards,

> > >> Narasimha

> > >> ------------------------------

--

> -

> > >> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > >> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself:

> http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana

> > >> Spirituality:

> > >> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > >> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > >> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > >> ------------------------------

--

> -

> > >>

> > >> -

> > >> Jyotisa Shisya

> > >>

> > >> Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:48 AM

> > >> Re: Kuja (Mars) homam manual

available

> now

> > >>

> > >> |om|

> > >> Dear Fellow travellers, namaste

> > >>

> > >> All this talk about Mangal reminds me about one question

I've

> had

> > > for quite sometime. Sometime ago, Sanjayji had advised me to go

to

> > > any Hanuman temple and get a mantra for lifting up the Mangal

in

> my

> > > natal chart which suffers from rajabhanga (uccha in rasi and

> neecha

> > > in navamsa). When I visited the Hanuman deity in Sri Veetirundha

> > > Perumal temple, Thirumazhisai near Chennai and asked the priest

> about

> > > a mantra, he advised me to chant the mantra inscribed on the

> walls of

> > > the temple |sri ram jaya ram jaya jaya ram| which comes out to

be

> a 7

> > > word, 10 aksharas mantra. Energy from the 7th house to the 10th

> house

> > > with the mantra devata sitting in lagna as per mantra shastra

> > > teachings. I've been doing this every evening since.

> > >>

> > >> Later I came to know this is the Rama taraka mantra. My

> question

> > > is how does this mantra help to counter the rajabhanga of

Mangal?

> > >>

> > >> Secondly what is the correct form of the Rama taraka mantra?

> Is it

> > >>

> > >> |om sri ram jaya ram jaya jaya ram| - 8 words, 11 aksharas

> > >>

> > >> or

> > >>

> > >> |om sri rama jaya rama jaya jaya rama|? - 8 words, 14

aksharas

> > >>

> > >> Some say it should be 13 aksharas....

> > >>

> > >> Sorry for astrological content in this mail.

> > >>

> > >> best regards

> > >> Hari

> >

>

January 30, 2009

Dear Utpal,

I was not at all excited or displeased or pained. Don't worry. I knew your

guilelessness and I did not mean offense either.

Each region of India has its errors in pronunciation stemming from local

idiosyncracies.

You can view the JPG at

pronunciation/devanagari.jpg

Best regards,

Narasimha

Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana

Spirituality:

Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

---- utpal pathak <vedic_pathak wrote:

> Namaste Narasimha Garu !!!

>

> >YOU will pronounce it as

> > " shav " . Please note that the second symbol in " shava " is identical

> to the

> > first symbol in " vasha " . However, YOU end up pronouncing that

> symbol as " v "

>

> ***

> >South Indians have

> >their own corruptions, but this is a place where south Indians are

> >correct.

>

> while reading the above two paragraphs, i could feel your displeasure

> and excitement. I am sorry if i gave a wrong impression by mentioning

> the word 'South Indian' in my post. infact i am by nature against all

> these differences of South-north, shaivaites-vaishnavites, brahmin-

> non brahmin etc.... i innocently asked you what was in my percieved

> knowledge. it was never to belittle people from some part of india or

> to create any differences of SouthIndian or North indian. I wouldn't

> even dream of that. we've had enough differences amongst ourselves

> which made us conquered race for nearly 2000 years.

>

> I thought that you, as a sanskrit scholar, would be the fittest

> person to shed light on the subject but I must say that you reacted

> passionately. you missed guilelessness in my post and instead gave an

> impression that i was creating rift. you seems to have been pained

> by 'south indian' word.

>

> ***

>

> I would carefully look in to the attachment and come back to you for

> any query.

>

> forgive me, if a Shishya shouldn't have written such words

>

> Spiritually yours,

>

> Utpal

>

> , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Utpal,

> >

> > The mispronunciation of consonants with " a " occurring at the end of

> words is

> > so ingrained in your common sense that your understanding of

> Devanagari

> > script itself is filled with mistakes.

> >

> > Look at the enclosed picture (devanagari.jpg). It has six words -

> shava,

> > vasha, shav, vash, shiva and shiv. Each word is written in

> Devanagari script

> > and then in English.

> >

> > Though the first word in that picture is " shava " , YOU will

> pronounce it as

> > " shav " . Please note that the second symbol in " shava " is identical

> to the

> > first symbol in " vasha " . However, YOU end up pronouncing that

> symbol as " v "

> > in the first word and as " va " in the second word. You pronounce the

> same

> > symbol as " va " in some cases and as " v " in some cases. But please

> note that

> > Sanskrit is not like English and each symbol has a unique

> pronunciation. If

> > you pronounce correctly, that symbol is pronounced identically

> (as " va " ) in

> > both words. If you really want it to be " v " (without a), it should

> be

> > written differently (as at the end of 3rd and 6th words in the

> picture).

> >

> > Please go through the six examples carefully to know how to write

> things in

> > Devanagari correctly.

> >

> > Bottomline: Things like " Raam " or " Shiv Uvaach " are wrong and mean

> nothing

> > in Sanskrit. The Arabic influence on some modern Indian languages

> (e.g.

> > Hindi) that use the same script as Sanskrit corrupted people 's

> > pronunciation of Sanskrit. What are pronounced by people as " Raam "

> and " Shiv

> > Uvaach " should actually be " Raama " and " Shiva Uvaacha " . South

> Indians have

> > their own corruptions, but this is a place where south Indians are

> correct.

> >

> > Best regards,

> > Narasimha

> >

> > Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana

> > Spirituality:

> > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> >

> > -

> > " utpal pathak " <vedic_pathak

> >

> > Thursday, January 29, 2009 8:13 AM

> > Re: Kuja (Mars) homam manual available now

> >

> > > Rao Garu!!!

> > >

> > > I was always thinking that it is due to South Indian Accent,

> people

> > > of that part of india say Raama instead of Raam. Krishna instead

> of

> > > Krishna.

> > >

> > > I've a explanation for that. In devanagari script, (Take instance

> of

> > > Gita) it id written Krishn and not Krishna. another example is

> Durga

> > > Saptashati where it says " Shiv Uvvach " and not " Shiva Uvvach "

> > >

> > > please clear my doubts.

> > >

> > > Best Regards,

> > >

> > > Utpal

> > >

> > > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@>

> > > wrote:

> > >>

> > >> Dear Hari,

> > >>

> > >> Repeating any combination of syllables with a focussed mind will

> > > eventually do the trick on the mind. So you may do either.

> > >>

> > >> However, some combinations tried by others successfully in the

> past

> > > are better and faster.

> > >>

> > >> Regarding the specific mantra below: The words " raam " and " jay "

> > > (or " jai " ) have no meaning in Sanskrit. They should be " raama "

> > > and " jaya " respectively. Arabic has words mostly ending in

> consonants

> > > (i.e. no vowel " a " at the end of the word). That Arabic influence

> > > made Indians change Sanskrit words to remove " a " at the end of

> > > words. " Jaya Raama " becomes " Jay Raam " .

> > >>

> > >> If you want your mantra to be meaningful in Sanskrit, please

> > > restore " a " at the end of words. The correct version of the mantra

> > > is " Sree Raama Jaya Raama Jaya Jaya Raama " . You can add " Om " at

> the

> > > beginning.

> > >>

> > >> * * *

> > >>

> > >> On our India trip in the summer of 2008, I and my guru went to

> many

> > > temples. There was one remote temple in BriahdDwaraka that had a

> nice

> > > level of spiritual vibrations. It is a temple of Hanuman and

> > > Makaradhwaja (Hanuman's son) together. Apparently some yogi did

> > > intense sadhana there for a few decades in the past (with the

> mantra

> > > you mentioned). The mantra above is written all over the walls of

> the

> > > temple.

> > >>

> > >> Though that yogi is not there now, the vibrations created by his

> > > sadhana are still there. We were quite impressed when we spent

> some

> > > time there. You have to take a boat to go from Dwaarakaa to

> > > BrihadDwaarakaa and then go inside the village (a few km from the

> > > main Krishna temple at BrihadDwaarakaa). It is a very small temple

> > > without any crowd, but has stronger spiritual energy than many

> famous

> > > temples. If any of you go to Dwaraka or Gujarat in general, I

> > > recommend visiting that temple and spending a couple of hours

> there.

> > >>

> > >> The mantra you gave reminded me of that temple.

> > >>

> > >> Best regards,

> > >> Narasimha

> > >> --------------------------------

> -

> > >> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> > >> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself:

> http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana

> > >> Spirituality:

> > >> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> > >> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> > >> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> > >> --------------------------------

> -

> > >>

> > >> -

> > >> Jyotisa Shisya

> > >>

> > >> Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:48 AM

> > >> Re: Kuja (Mars) homam manual available

> now

> > >>

> > >> |om|

> > >> Dear Fellow travellers, namaste

> > >>

> > >> All this talk about Mangal reminds me about one question I've

> had

> > > for quite sometime. Sometime ago, Sanjayji had advised me to go to

> > > any Hanuman temple and get a mantra for lifting up the Mangal in

> my

> > > natal chart which suffers from rajabhanga (uccha in rasi and

> neecha

> > > in navamsa). When I visited the Hanuman deity in Sri Veetirundha

> > > Perumal temple, Thirumazhisai near Chennai and asked the priest

> about

> > > a mantra, he advised me to chant the mantra inscribed on the

> walls of

> > > the temple |sri ram jaya ram jaya jaya ram| which comes out to be

> a 7

> > > word, 10 aksharas mantra. Energy from the 7th house to the 10th

> house

> > > with the mantra devata sitting in lagna as per mantra shastra

> > > teachings. I've been doing this every evening since.

> > >>

> > >> Later I came to know this is the Rama taraka mantra. My

> question

> > > is how does this mantra help to counter the rajabhanga of Mangal?

> > >>

> > >> Secondly what is the correct form of the Rama taraka mantra?

> Is it

> > >>

> > >> |om sri ram jaya ram jaya jaya ram| - 8 words, 11 aksharas

> > >>

> > >> or

> > >>

> > >> |om sri rama jaya rama jaya jaya rama|? - 8 words, 14 aksharas

> > >>

> > >> Some say it should be 13 aksharas....

> > >>

> > >> Sorry for astrological content in this mail.

> > >>

> > >> best regards

> > >> Hari

January 30, 2009

Respected Narasimhaji,Pranaam,For the first time in my life I have realized that all my life I was wrong in pronouncing " Shiva as Shiv " and so on as you have rightly pointed at the understanding of Devanagri had been so hard-wired in my senses that I could never realize the mistake. Thanks for correcting us.

One more humble request if you may kindly upload the correct pronounciation mp3 for all the four words in the JPG. This will make it absolutely clear for me (and also for many of my friends) the correct key to sanskrit recital / pronounciation.

thanks & regardsHari Om,JituOn Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 7:51 PM, Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote:

Dear Utpal,

I was not at all excited or displeased or pained. Don't worry. I knew your guilelessness and I did not mean offense either.

Each region of India has its errors in pronunciation stemming from local idiosyncracies.

You can view the JPG at

pronunciation/devanagari.jpg

Best regards,

Narasimha

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