Pronunciation (Kuja (Mars) homam manual available now)

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Namaste Narasimha Garu,

 

>Though the first word in that picture is " shava " , YOU will pronounce

it as

" shav " . Please note that the second symbol in " shava " is identical to

the

first symbol in " vasha " . However, YOU end up pronouncing that symbol

as " v "

>in the first word and as " va " in the second word.

 

When we pronounce first word i.e Shava, we say Shava (va will be

pronounciate such that it has a trailing 'a' sound)

 

as you said Va in Shava and Va in Vasha should be same, it is agreed

but as i mentioned above, I pronounce it the same way in both the

words i.e. Shava & Vasha. I can pronounce Va with 'a' as a trailing

sound. what i didn't understand is that why i'll need to pronaunce as

Vaa ('aa' as trailing sound). I mean i can pronounce 'Shava'

comfortably. i don't end up pronouncing it 'v'. in that case why i

should make it Vaa sound?

 

When is say Raam (Raama), i pronounce 'M' with trailing sound of 'a'

so the sound of 'M' is not abruptly ending but it is completeing with

sound of 'a'. Same is for Shiva, for Krushna.

 

in all the above, why i need to say 'AA' sound at the end.

 

I don't pronounce 'Va' in 1st & 2nd word as it is given in the 3rd

word.

 

For Example take 'Tat' from 'Om Tat Sat'. First 'Ta' has trailing

sound of 'a' and the next 'T' is abruptly ended without trailing

sound of 'a' and that should be correct i suppose.

 

***

secondly, in the 2nd word, if Va is pronounce as Va ('a' and

not 'aa') then in the first word, why i need to say Va as Vaa.

 

I don't know if i was clear in what i wanted to convey.

 

yours,

 

utpal

 

 

, " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr

wrote:

>

> Dear Utpal,

>

> The mispronunciation of consonants with " a " occurring at the end of

words is

> so ingrained in your common sense that your understanding of

Devanagari

> script itself is filled with mistakes.

>

> Look at the enclosed picture (devanagari.jpg). It has six words -

shava,

> vasha, shav, vash, shiva and shiv. Each word is written in

Devanagari script

> and then in English.

>

> Though the first word in that picture is " shava " , YOU will

pronounce it as

> " shav " . Please note that the second symbol in " shava " is identical

to the

> first symbol in " vasha " . However, YOU end up pronouncing that

symbol as " v "

> in the first word and as " va " in the second word. You pronounce the

same

> symbol as " va " in some cases and as " v " in some cases. But please

note that

> Sanskrit is not like English and each symbol has a unique

pronunciation. If

> you pronounce correctly, that symbol is pronounced identically

(as " va " ) in

> both words. If you really want it to be " v " (without a), it should

be

> written differently (as at the end of 3rd and 6th words in the

picture).

>

> Please go through the six examples carefully to know how to write

things in

> Devanagari correctly.

>

> Bottomline: Things like " Raam " or " Shiv Uvaach " are wrong and mean

nothing

> in Sanskrit. The Arabic influence on some modern Indian languages

(e.g.

> Hindi) that use the same script as Sanskrit corrupted people 's

> pronunciation of Sanskrit. What are pronounced by people as " Raam "

and " Shiv

> Uvaach " should actually be " Raama " and " Shiva Uvaacha " . South

Indians have

> their own corruptions, but this is a place where south Indians are

correct.

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

>

> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana

> Spirituality:

> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

>

>

> -

> " utpal pathak " <vedic_pathak

>

> Thursday, January 29, 2009 8:13 AM

> Re: Kuja (Mars) homam manual available now

>

>

> > Rao Garu!!!

> >

> > I was always thinking that it is due to South Indian Accent,

people

> > of that part of india say Raama instead of Raam. Krishna instead

of

> > Krishna.

> >

> > I've a explanation for that. In devanagari script, (Take instance

of

> > Gita) it id written Krishn and not Krishna. another example is

Durga

> > Saptashati where it says " Shiv Uvvach " and not " Shiva Uvvach "

> >

> > please clear my doubts.

> >

> > Best Regards,

> >

> > Utpal

> >

> > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@>

> > wrote:

> >>

> >> Dear Hari,

> >>

> >> Repeating any combination of syllables with a focussed mind will

> > eventually do the trick on the mind. So you may do either.

> >>

> >> However, some combinations tried by others successfully in the

past

> > are better and faster.

> >>

> >> Regarding the specific mantra below: The words " raam " and " jay "

> > (or " jai " ) have no meaning in Sanskrit. They should be " raama "

> > and " jaya " respectively. Arabic has words mostly ending in

consonants

> > (i.e. no vowel " a " at the end of the word). That Arabic influence

> > made Indians change Sanskrit words to remove " a " at the end of

> > words. " Jaya Raama " becomes " Jay Raam " .

> >>

> >> If you want your mantra to be meaningful in Sanskrit, please

> > restore " a " at the end of words. The correct version of the mantra

> > is " Sree Raama Jaya Raama Jaya Jaya Raama " . You can add " Om " at

the

> > beginning.

> >>

> >> * * *

> >>

> >> On our India trip in the summer of 2008, I and my guru went to

many

> > temples. There was one remote temple in BriahdDwaraka that had a

nice

> > level of spiritual vibrations. It is a temple of Hanuman and

> > Makaradhwaja (Hanuman's son) together. Apparently some yogi did

> > intense sadhana there for a few decades in the past (with the

mantra

> > you mentioned). The mantra above is written all over the walls of

the

> > temple.

> >>

> >> Though that yogi is not there now, the vibrations created by his

> > sadhana are still there. We were quite impressed when we spent

some

> > time there. You have to take a boat to go from Dwaarakaa to

> > BrihadDwaarakaa and then go inside the village (a few km from the

> > main Krishna temple at BrihadDwaarakaa). It is a very small temple

> > without any crowd, but has stronger spiritual energy than many

famous

> > temples. If any of you go to Dwaraka or Gujarat in general, I

> > recommend visiting that temple and spending a couple of hours

there.

> >>

> >> The mantra you gave reminded me of that temple.

> >>

> >> Best regards,

> >> Narasimha

> >> --------------------------------

-

> >> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> >> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself:

http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana

> >> Spirituality:

> >> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> >> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> >> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

> >> --------------------------------

-

> >>

> >> -

> >> Jyotisa Shisya

> >>

> >> Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:48 AM

> >> Re: Kuja (Mars) homam manual available

now

> >>

> >>

> >> |om|

> >> Dear Fellow travellers, namaste

> >>

> >>

> >> All this talk about Mangal reminds me about one question I've

had

> > for quite sometime. Sometime ago, Sanjayji had advised me to go to

> > any Hanuman temple and get a mantra for lifting up the Mangal in

my

> > natal chart which suffers from rajabhanga (uccha in rasi and

neecha

> > in navamsa). When I visited the Hanuman deity in Sri Veetirundha

> > Perumal temple, Thirumazhisai near Chennai and asked the priest

about

> > a mantra, he advised me to chant the mantra inscribed on the

walls of

> > the temple |sri ram jaya ram jaya jaya ram| which comes out to be

a 7

> > word, 10 aksharas mantra. Energy from the 7th house to the 10th

house

> > with the mantra devata sitting in lagna as per mantra shastra

> > teachings. I've been doing this every evening since.

> >>

> >>

> >> Later I came to know this is the Rama taraka mantra. My

question

> > is how does this mantra help to counter the rajabhanga of Mangal?

> >>

> >>

> >> Secondly what is the correct form of the Rama taraka mantra?

Is it

> >>

> >>

> >> |om sri ram jaya ram jaya jaya ram| - 8 words, 11 aksharas

> >>

> >>

> >> or

> >>

> >>

> >> |om sri rama jaya rama jaya jaya rama|? - 8 words, 14 aksharas

> >>

> >>

> >> Some say it should be 13 aksharas....

> >>

> >>

> >> Sorry for astrological content in this mail.

> >>

> >>

> >> best regards

> >> Hari

>

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Dear Utpal,

 

You don't have to say long vowel " aa " at the end. A short vowel " a " is

correct at the end of " Shiva " , " Raama " etc. If you are already pronouncing

like that, then you are fine. I am not sure of the conventions in your part

of India. But, many north Indians do pronounce it as " Shiv " or " Raam " and

end the word in a consonant (v or m) without an " a " at the end. THAT is

wrong.

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

 

Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana

Spirituality:

Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

 

 

-

" utpal pathak " <vedic_pathak

 

Saturday, January 31, 2009 6:30 AM

Pronunciation (Re: Kuja (Mars) homam manual

available now)

 

 

> Namaste Narasimha Garu,

>

>>Though the first word in that picture is " shava " , YOU will pronounce

> it as

> " shav " . Please note that the second symbol in " shava " is identical to

> the

> first symbol in " vasha " . However, YOU end up pronouncing that symbol

> as " v "

>>in the first word and as " va " in the second word.

>

> When we pronounce first word i.e Shava, we say Shava (va will be

> pronounciate such that it has a trailing 'a' sound)

>

> as you said Va in Shava and Va in Vasha should be same, it is agreed

> but as i mentioned above, I pronounce it the same way in both the

> words i.e. Shava & Vasha. I can pronounce Va with 'a' as a trailing

> sound. what i didn't understand is that why i'll need to pronaunce as

> Vaa ('aa' as trailing sound). I mean i can pronounce 'Shava'

> comfortably. i don't end up pronouncing it 'v'. in that case why i

> should make it Vaa sound?

>

> When is say Raam (Raama), i pronounce 'M' with trailing sound of 'a'

> so the sound of 'M' is not abruptly ending but it is completeing with

> sound of 'a'. Same is for Shiva, for Krushna.

>

> in all the above, why i need to say 'AA' sound at the end.

>

> I don't pronounce 'Va' in 1st & 2nd word as it is given in the 3rd

> word.

>

> For Example take 'Tat' from 'Om Tat Sat'. First 'Ta' has trailing

> sound of 'a' and the next 'T' is abruptly ended without trailing

> sound of 'a' and that should be correct i suppose.

>

> ***

> secondly, in the 2nd word, if Va is pronounce as Va ('a' and

> not 'aa') then in the first word, why i need to say Va as Vaa.

>

> I don't know if i was clear in what i wanted to convey.

>

> yours,

>

> utpal

>

>

> , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr

> wrote:

>>

>> Dear Utpal,

>>

>> The mispronunciation of consonants with " a " occurring at the end of

> words is

>> so ingrained in your common sense that your understanding of

> Devanagari

>> script itself is filled with mistakes.

>>

>> Look at the enclosed picture (devanagari.jpg). It has six words -

> shava,

>> vasha, shav, vash, shiva and shiv. Each word is written in

> Devanagari script

>> and then in English.

>>

>> Though the first word in that picture is " shava " , YOU will

> pronounce it as

>> " shav " . Please note that the second symbol in " shava " is identical

> to the

>> first symbol in " vasha " . However, YOU end up pronouncing that

> symbol as " v "

>> in the first word and as " va " in the second word. You pronounce the

> same

>> symbol as " va " in some cases and as " v " in some cases. But please

> note that

>> Sanskrit is not like English and each symbol has a unique

> pronunciation. If

>> you pronounce correctly, that symbol is pronounced identically

> (as " va " ) in

>> both words. If you really want it to be " v " (without a), it should

> be

>> written differently (as at the end of 3rd and 6th words in the

> picture).

>>

>> Please go through the six examples carefully to know how to write

> things in

>> Devanagari correctly.

>>

>> Bottomline: Things like " Raam " or " Shiv Uvaach " are wrong and mean

> nothing

>> in Sanskrit. The Arabic influence on some modern Indian languages

> (e.g.

>> Hindi) that use the same script as Sanskrit corrupted people 's

>> pronunciation of Sanskrit. What are pronounced by people as " Raam "

> and " Shiv

>> Uvaach " should actually be " Raama " and " Shiva Uvaacha " . South

> Indians have

>> their own corruptions, but this is a place where south Indians are

> correct.

>>

>> Best regards,

>> Narasimha

>>

>> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

>> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana

>> Spirituality:

>> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

>> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

>> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

>>

>>

>> -

>> " utpal pathak " <vedic_pathak

>>

>> Thursday, January 29, 2009 8:13 AM

>> Re: Kuja (Mars) homam manual available now

>>

>>

>> > Rao Garu!!!

>> >

>> > I was always thinking that it is due to South Indian Accent,

> people

>> > of that part of india say Raama instead of Raam. Krishna instead

> of

>> > Krishna.

>> >

>> > I've a explanation for that. In devanagari script, (Take instance

> of

>> > Gita) it id written Krishn and not Krishna. another example is

> Durga

>> > Saptashati where it says " Shiv Uvvach " and not " Shiva Uvvach "

>> >

>> > please clear my doubts.

>> >

>> > Best Regards,

>> >

>> > Utpal

>> >

>> > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@>

>> > wrote:

>> >>

>> >> Dear Hari,

>> >>

>> >> Repeating any combination of syllables with a focussed mind will

>> > eventually do the trick on the mind. So you may do either.

>> >>

>> >> However, some combinations tried by others successfully in the

> past

>> > are better and faster.

>> >>

>> >> Regarding the specific mantra below: The words " raam " and " jay "

>> > (or " jai " ) have no meaning in Sanskrit. They should be " raama "

>> > and " jaya " respectively. Arabic has words mostly ending in

> consonants

>> > (i.e. no vowel " a " at the end of the word). That Arabic influence

>> > made Indians change Sanskrit words to remove " a " at the end of

>> > words. " Jaya Raama " becomes " Jay Raam " .

>> >>

>> >> If you want your mantra to be meaningful in Sanskrit, please

>> > restore " a " at the end of words. The correct version of the mantra

>> > is " Sree Raama Jaya Raama Jaya Jaya Raama " . You can add " Om " at

> the

>> > beginning.

>> >>

>> >> * * *

>> >>

>> >> On our India trip in the summer of 2008, I and my guru went to

> many

>> > temples. There was one remote temple in BriahdDwaraka that had a

> nice

>> > level of spiritual vibrations. It is a temple of Hanuman and

>> > Makaradhwaja (Hanuman's son) together. Apparently some yogi did

>> > intense sadhana there for a few decades in the past (with the

> mantra

>> > you mentioned). The mantra above is written all over the walls of

> the

>> > temple.

>> >>

>> >> Though that yogi is not there now, the vibrations created by his

>> > sadhana are still there. We were quite impressed when we spent

> some

>> > time there. You have to take a boat to go from Dwaarakaa to

>> > BrihadDwaarakaa and then go inside the village (a few km from the

>> > main Krishna temple at BrihadDwaarakaa). It is a very small temple

>> > without any crowd, but has stronger spiritual energy than many

> famous

>> > temples. If any of you go to Dwaraka or Gujarat in general, I

>> > recommend visiting that temple and spending a couple of hours

> there.

>> >>

>> >> The mantra you gave reminded me of that temple.

>> >>

>> >> Best regards,

>> >> Narasimha

>> >> --------------------------------

> -

>> >> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

>> >> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself:

> http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana

>> >> Spirituality:

>> >> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

>> >> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

>> >> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

>> >> --------------------------------

> -

>> >>

>> >> -

>> >> Jyotisa Shisya

>> >>

>> >> Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:48 AM

>> >> Re: Kuja (Mars) homam manual available

> now

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> |om|

>> >> Dear Fellow travellers, namaste

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> All this talk about Mangal reminds me about one question I've

> had

>> > for quite sometime. Sometime ago, Sanjayji had advised me to go to

>> > any Hanuman temple and get a mantra for lifting up the Mangal in

> my

>> > natal chart which suffers from rajabhanga (uccha in rasi and

> neecha

>> > in navamsa). When I visited the Hanuman deity in Sri Veetirundha

>> > Perumal temple, Thirumazhisai near Chennai and asked the priest

> about

>> > a mantra, he advised me to chant the mantra inscribed on the

> walls of

>> > the temple |sri ram jaya ram jaya jaya ram| which comes out to be

> a 7

>> > word, 10 aksharas mantra. Energy from the 7th house to the 10th

> house

>> > with the mantra devata sitting in lagna as per mantra shastra

>> > teachings. I've been doing this every evening since.

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> Later I came to know this is the Rama taraka mantra. My

> question

>> > is how does this mantra help to counter the rajabhanga of Mangal?

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> Secondly what is the correct form of the Rama taraka mantra?

> Is it

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> |om sri ram jaya ram jaya jaya ram| - 8 words, 11 aksharas

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> or

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> |om sri rama jaya rama jaya jaya rama|? - 8 words, 14 aksharas

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> Some say it should be 13 aksharas....

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> Sorry for astrological content in this mail.

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> best regards

>> >> Hari